How big a role does BF% play in SMV?

wogzt90 · 2019-08-23T08:53:17+00:00

Dude. I'm waaaaay uglier than you and I can pull chicks from the club. Just start talking to them. Anyway, getting muscles and less body fat will help obviously.

mustache_ride_ · 2019-08-23T14:41:23+00:00

Dude I recommend removing your picture after you get enough feedback. This sub and other redpill forums are monitored by men-hating organizations. You do not want this coming back to bite you in the future (e.g HR googling your pic as part of your job application process and finding out you're a red-piller).

For those thinking I'm paranoid. Google images lets you submit an image today and it will scour the web for similar images. This means, in several years when the algo is good enough, that I could submit your pic and it will facial recognize to find all pictures of you on the internet. ALL OF THEM.

RedPill-BlackLotus · 2019-08-23T09:42:30+00:00

Your face is only going to look better as you age. You are very attractive.

Yes, fuck yes, go to the gym. The improvement to your upper chest and how your cloths hang on you will make more of a difference for you than a few ounces of fat on your face. That pick in the white shirt would be fuckig fantastic with more beef under that shirt so it hangs better.

I'm so gay.

I hope you get to keep that beautiful hair.

I'm shredded to the dam bone and you only get so many points for that. Super shredded attracts more men that woman. Once you are about 12% with a 4 pack you are golden.

ghjklzxcv123 · 2019-08-23T10:39:57+00:00

Yeah lifter/fighter here, i have been both 25% and 7%, now around 9-10%. You can drown in pussy if you have a decent muscle mass and bf below 10%

ReddJive · 2019-08-23T12:10:07+00:00

There are two things Red Pill says to do at the start of your improvement. get fit (muscular and ripped) and make money. It’s because these are easy gains for a man to get what he wants in life.

Lifting teaches a lot of life lessons and it reinforces them. There is also discipline to learn in restricting your diet. The gym is one of the few masculine places left. Assuming you aren’t in a Planet Fitness style gym.

Frame, game, emotional control take a bit more time and experience.

So yes BF does improve your SMV. Here’s the one caveat to that. I am a powerlifter/strongman. I have been for 20 years, I only got serious about it in the last 2 or 3. Meaning I have a coach and I now compete. I am not single digits BF. I am around 19% in fact. I don’t look like the Michelin man. I look like I can fuck a woman in half (and I can).

I follow all the diets, ensure I eat protein, eat lean, and fresh foods. Yet lifting at these levels takes serious energy. Though I have to balance this all out with the high energy lifts I do during the week.

The danger in saying this is some autist is going to go off and Get fat saying he lifts. Well I can’t help that. If you want to be an internet warrior go for it.

There is a difference between this powerlifter and this one

Bodybuilding even has it’s issues. The numbers don’t always tell the story. Key here is to not allow your ego to get the best of you (again a maturity/experience thing) and know exactly where you need to improve. Don’t listen to women when they say they like Dad Bods. Oh they will fuck that beta body for sure, it only proves that someone can desire you and not value you. Plus women want dick. And they will sacrifice certain elements. At the end of the day a dick is just a dick. Yet if you can split her in half? Believe me she will come back for more each and every time. Waking you up in night in fact.

Truth be told I could afford to drop some BF. I have some meets coming up this winter yet my coach wants 100 more pounds on my lifts. Doable but at what cost? If I eat like a pig I am sure I can get those numbers that high. As it stands I am going to keep going and see if I can’t get the numbers up as I as I can. Not like I do this for money. Just have to do something cool with your life.

readingblastoise · 2019-08-23T08:57:39+00:00

You don’t even look 18% in your face. Maybe 15. Obviously being ripped improves SMV. Regardless, 1 hour spent “in field” is more valuable than dozens of hours theorizing

Fuktiga_mejmejs · 2019-08-23T11:35:21+00:00

Respect for posting pics if yourself and dude you look way better than most, a steady game and you'll be more than fine.

[deleted] · 2019-08-23T10:50:00+00:00

You look good. Should definitely keep working out mostly because it will help you mentally. Getting leaner and all is just a bonus for you that will likely help as well. But you look good either way, really.

mallardcove · 2019-08-23T13:33:42+00:00

It matters a ton. All the retards in this thread saying it doesn't matter are fucking idiots and you should ignore them

danielwisenbcaest · 2019-08-23T09:50:54+00:00

If I were you I’d bulk up first. It might not affect your face a whole lot since you have some chubby cheeks but I don’t advise cutting down because your neck looks small meaning you must have no shoulders. Bulk up a bit bro you got this

deathhandmachiavelli · 2019-08-23T12:13:32+00:00

Losing BF is generally good, but if you lose too much (without putting on muscle) and start looking malnourished, then you are losing attraction.

Low BF with more than average amount of muscle is ideal.

In my case, I noticed that I have better luck at 185 (more muscle and more fat) than I do at 165 (completely ripped).

lukakzinho · 2019-08-23T12:31:05+00:00

dude you are good looking hit the gym stay around 12% body fat and you are golden

sjswander94 · 2019-08-23T12:05:48+00:00

When you get to sub 10% bf your face will look more masculine. You cheek bones more pronounced and jaw looks wider and more defined. It isn’t the only factor to your smv. Will hit help sure. Substitute for bad game no....

AloofusMaximus · 2019-08-23T14:14:48+00:00

You don't look terrible IMO. Lifting had a ton of benefits, so I always advocate it. It's not magic though (in fact it takes a lot of dedication and time if you're doing it right).

With that being said appearance does play a role, but that's overall. So that's going to combine physique, grooming, and style. My overall aim for my appearance was to just not "look terrible", and that alone will set you apart from a lot of guys. You can be ripped but still look like a dork or dirtball.

So lose some fat and put on some muscle, but don't think you need to be contest lean to pull women (you don't).

2stoned0jaguar9tre · 2019-08-23T12:12:10+00:00

Its plays a primal role. It affects women primal instincts. Its like the filter they see everything else about you.

schijtaandezeaccount · 2019-08-23T13:20:49+00:00

Where are you from? You would slay every girl in the Netherlands, thats for sure lol

D50HS · 2019-08-23T14:34:43+00:00

Hey man you look good. Just recomp and add some neck extensions/curls to your workout (check out alphadestiny for some solid neck training tips.)

FinancialThanks1 · 2019-08-23T09:37:41+00:00

making your neck more muscular will make a big difference

bluepillcarl · 2019-08-23T08:54:14+00:00

Yep - lower body fat will always make a big difference. 18% is not good (I'm in the same boat right now), you are at the high end of where you should be which 20% would be downright ugly to women. Start eating a clean diet and put down a calorie deficit of 500-1000 every day. Lifting weights and cardio both help to get there. Also helps to get a fade haircut.

You should obviously aim to lower your bf closer to 10% but the good news is that we can probably drop 3-4% bf in a couple months if you just maintain a calorie deficit and exercise with intensity. In just 8 weeks you can make a huge difference for yourself. A lot of people here may not agree but I have a friend who is a male fitness model and he swears by 45 minutes of stairmaster every day - I can do 30 minutes and I've done it before and saw the change.

RPthrowaway123 · 2019-08-23T12:35:00+00:00

I'm working on getting mine back down to the 10-12 percent range, currently 16ish. It can only help, I wouldn't say it's the single most important thing though of course. It definitely brings out the muscle appearance.

fuckGuilt · 2019-08-23T14:24:40+00:00

You're a good looking cat, I don't see 18% BF in those pics.

BF% is very important, a nice v-taper even more so. Deadlifts, rows, chin-ups, and overhead presses, and you're good to go.

Houston2NYC · 2019-08-23T15:00:49+00:00

Bottom left shirt looks good. Get rid of the other two get ups.

DevilMayCry · 2019-08-23T15:07:26+00:00

You’re handsome bro, hit the gym then hit the club.

BusterVadge · 2019-08-23T15:21:50+00:00

You're a great looking guy and your SMV will improve a lot after you spend a year or two in the gym. Find a good workout program. I was skinnyfat and went from SL 5x5 -> PHUL -> PHAT. It's helped me put on 20 or so pounds of muscle and lose my belly in the past 2 years.

It takes time to get jacked. If you have the discipline to trust the process instead of wanting instant gratification you will get there.

alittletoosmooth · 2019-08-23T16:44:08+00:00

If I had to guess your failures have more to do with your game/frame than anything else. You have an attractive face. That's half the battle. Focus on getting to a place where you know that you are the prize. That may mean more lifting, or it may mean reaching higher levels of success financially, or both. The good thing is you are aware and are hopefully doing things to improve. Good luck.

zeekt12 · 2019-08-23T16:44:28+00:00

A lean face makes pussy wetter than niagara falls. End of story

AtlasCuckd · 2019-08-23T18:56:40+00:00

Dude, you look like the kind of guy who checks into European hostels just so he can stalk and murder foreign girls.

Nahhhh for real though, you're a good looking dude and will age well. Just work on the gym to get more size to you. You want to grow out of the teen body. It will pay dividends

Startlivingfornow · 2019-08-23T19:06:47+00:00

You looks like the future poster child for the #metoo movement. With good game, you’ll be great.

zero0x · 2019-08-23T19:13:11+00:00

My chin got more defined after I lost 20lbs. Have you tried Mewing?

Sickem_roy · 2019-08-23T19:26:30+00:00

Grow that beard out...get a shorter cut. Don’t worry so much about what you look like. You can only change how you take care of yourself

NorsemanLewis · 2019-08-24T01:12:07+00:00

You're 22. Men are like wine (CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, AS LONG AS THEY WORK ON THEMSELVES!!) Meaning they get better as they age.

In my opinion,you should focus on two things.

Keep going to the gym, regardless of your bpdyfat, keep sculpting your masterpiece, learn research trail and error all of that.
You really need to stop bothering yourself over this factor. Looks matter, that's a fact. I'm not denying that there are other things than looks which attract women, but a good looking man playing game well has it 5 times easier than an ugly guy playing game, and that's something I've personally as I lost more weight. The second factor is confidence. It attracts women in a similar way as looks do, and asking trp if your BF% makes you look bad on these pictures, is the opposite of being confident. Embrace yourself.

Luckily for you, you are attractive. So you can master all three, looks, confidence and game.

Just remember, you're in your early 20's. That means you're still very young in the SM. Put your focus on developing yourself, other than on women. You'll experience insane, godlike results later on. (And I mean insane, the potential is limitless).

Title	How big a role does BF% play in SMV?
Author	wogzt90
Upvotes	67
Comments	86
Date	August 23, 2019 8:37 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
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