Bullshit reasons about the sex decline and what are likely the real reasons

[deleted] · 2019-05-13T21:04:16+00:00

The thing about the camel lying on the ground with a broken back is that you can't pin the "blame" on any particular individual straw.

jax006 · 2019-05-13T21:15:58+00:00

Point 3 takes a narrow view and ignores the really debilitating thing that is related to metoo but much more legitimately damaging to young men, and that is simply the attitude being pushed that it's your job as a guy to make sure women dont feel uncomfortable.

If you dont think the feminist narratives about men bothering women in grocery stores/gyms/restaurants, the narratives about men being pigs and disgusting because of their sexual drives, about how you're an entitled white Male for thinking that the woman walking down the street should have to put up with you asking her out.

I'm sure all of the old people on here will jump in to say that all of the above is bullshit and my generation of men is just too pussified. All I guess I can say is that the pussification came from somewhere, and I'm not a big believer that in the last 30 years there was some genetic event that turned young men into pussies who are afraid to ask women out.

blackedoutfast · 2019-05-13T23:48:16+00:00

no, if anything increased porn and video game use is an effect of men having less sex, not the cause of it. only a very small percentage of young men are actually addicted to porn or videya games to the point that they would prefer to stay home and play/fap instead of having sex with a real girl.

the biggest cause IMHO is due to how the young adults of today were raised.

the boys grew up in a world where natural masculinity was suppressed as much as possible. overprotective helicopter parents sheltering them from the real and micromanaging every aspect of their lives, leaving no room for normal teenage social/sexual lives and experimentation. zero tolerance policies for fighting or aggression, constantly having "teach boys not to rape" type anti-male messages being shoved down their throats, etc.

meanwhile, the girls were getting bombarded with girrrl power! girls can do anything! you can do whatever you want and your life will be perfect and wonderful and happy! type messages. and all the sex-positive, pro-slut stuff that encourages and justifies natural female hypergamous instincts.

so you have lots of guys who either have no idea how to actually get with girls, and are trying to use pedestalizing bluepill beta NiceGuy game. or they are absolutely terrified of approaching girls and showing any kind of sexual interest. or they have crippling social anxiety from lack of experience.

meanwhile you have a LOT of girls who think they can go 💯 riding the cock carousel and chasing the very hottest guys because they think that they can have it all and life will be perfect and wonderful forever. and they put a heavy emphasis on going after the sexiest, most alpha male type dudes.

so it has created this hyper competitive hoolup culture environment where some guys are doing extremely well while others are failing miserably. and the girls are getting played and pumped n dumped very often, along with other side effects like STDs, single motherhood, fewer marriages

squiddy_s550gt · 2019-05-13T21:07:49+00:00

You left out how many Americans are fat and unattractive.

Porn vs skinny girl? Skinny girl

Porn vs fat girl? Porn

[deleted] · 2019-05-13T21:40:38+00:00

Ok. This think is screwing up what I type. So I'll pu the number at the end.
1. This is just women justifying their irrational fears of not accomplishing their hypergamy.
Woman: "I'm not getting married because of climate change " (Decoded: I can't stop my grass is greener on the other side thinking and commit to a man or what men want. 1

Employment might be up. But America was in a low wage resistance, then they let in a billion Mexicans and now the wage sucks. Why would white American men work all their life and not get the American dream? Start paying an American wage and you'll start seeing young males going to work. Add the fact that women don't want to help a man build a life together, they just want to be handed everything and aren't willing to be there for young men and would rather go after older men with money. It kills our dream of women and y'all just become wet holes to us. 2.
. Meetoo definitely did it. But you are right, that things were already like that. Women's ego are so so so so fragile that they don't even dream of making the approach for fear of being rejected. But if a guy they deem unattractive approaches them then they shame him. It's fucked up and it shows why women deserve so little respect. Most of you are evil and we know it. Talk about men lacking social skills lol have you met women🤷‍♂️?3.
In the 80's women were just as hypergamous. Only back then they were after money more than looks. And we're seeing the results of that with mgtow and the divorce rape. The economy back then was good so there seemed to be a lot of what women would call alpha males. The economy took a hit and so did women's hypergamous choices. 4.
Agreed. There are more hypergamous women there than anywhere 5.
1. Men would be out chasing women and not playing video games if women weren't such trainwrecks. Boys with already good social skills don't have time for the games and hoops and circus that women think they are worth. It's a whole lot of work for not that big a prize.
  If women are gonna try to force men into their Disney princess delusion, men are gonna walk away. In this case feminism creates mgtow. Princess delusions = bgtow boys going their own way.
  I say again, have you met women? 6.
Agreed. Women drove men to be more happy with porn than with women. 💯 7.

The majority of Men are simple creatures. And the majority of Women ar complicated. It's no secret. I wonder if you can figure out where the problem starts🤔🤔🤔🙄

exit_sandman · 2019-05-13T21:45:29+00:00

What about technology and its contribution to the decline in the necessity for socialization? We can get all our food delivered to home, we have video games & streaming for entertainment, porn to get off to, social media platforms for socialization. We can get everything we "need" without ever really leaving the home.

The less often you go out and meet people, the less likely you are to date and have sex. I'm a relatively attractive woman, but I managed to make it to 23 without a bf or sex because I never fking go out.

[deleted] · 2019-05-13T21:43:01+00:00

Potential reason number 4: Women only date alpha males.

because of

Potential reason number 5: Dating Apps. I think this one plays a role. Dating apps generally suck, especially for men who are usually the majority in said apps. Women do have an easier time on dating apps on average because they're often a minority so there are more men to choose from and also because men are more thirsty in general and many of them will approach even women who are not conventionally attractive.

reluctantly_red · 2019-05-14T04:11:06+00:00

reason number 6: Video games. I believe this is a big one.

NO!!! Young guys get obsessed with diversions. Its been like that since forever. My son just turned 31. He and his friends played video (and online role playing) games all the time. He still had GFs (as did his friends). He finished college and grad school, got married, has two kids, and makes well over 100K. Guess what? He still plays online games every now and then (his wife does too).

[deleted] · 2019-05-13T21:02:02+00:00

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KazROFL · 2019-05-14T00:08:33+00:00

Potential reason number 6: Video games. I believe this is a big one

Jeez people act like it's the first time men have had male dominated hobbies.

In every generation men have for the most part engaged in male dominated hobbies with each other and seeked women elsewhere.

[deleted] · 2019-05-14T00:43:50+00:00

Everyone is tired , stressed, and overworked.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2019-05-13T21:17:03+00:00

It definitely is 2. Millennials have been raised and socialized to be optimized for the modern American economy. Optimization, for lack of a better term, leads to more and more work, and less balance to life, and even in people's personal life, everything can easily become a performance, just with the widespread use of social media. A lot of people feel as if they are under pressure to display their best self all the time, which is performance for the masses imo.

Growing up, millennials have always been told that if you work hard, you will find fulfillment in the professional world. When you are told you need to do all these things to achieve your perfect life, and the only way to get there is to be worked to the bone, of course dating gets harder. Millennials are fucking exhausted because they are working more hours for less pay than previous generations, and have much less economic stability, much more debt, and inaccessibility to what the traditional American dream entails.

When someone has such a focus on work and career, and such anxiety due to the economic realities of our time, especially post 2008, it's easy to understand why such a stressed group with such anxiety has a harder time dating.

Of course some people will dismiss this though.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-05-13T21:35:00+00:00

Things you havent mentioned:

Immigration and migration creates local areas with horrible gender ratios

Disgusting fatties on both sides that cant even fuck each other because of fat folds

ohheyhi99 · 2019-05-14T04:25:55+00:00

3) #MeToo rode in on the crest of a wave that had been building for about a decade. The wave was driven by cultural shifts, the internet, and pop cultural feminism, but I don’t really know what to call it.

Since the early 2010s, for better and worse, there‘s been more discussion about social boundaries and what constitutes sexual assault and consent. The internet gave women more opportunity to untold share stories of harassment or abuse. Today’s women are more emboldened to reject men they aren’t interested in, arguably more afraid of men whom they consider strange, and more likely to expose men whom they consider offensive. These terms are open to individual interpretation of course.

Over the same period, there’s been plenty of controversy that could have made some men more reserved about pursuing sex and made some women more apprehensive toward male sexuality. People feared that the rise of hardcore internet porn would shape the next generation of men into brutes or misogynists. By the early 2010s, millennials had begun to frequently use the word “creepy” to describe people and behavior (this was usually women describing men). PUA became known to the mainstream and got plenty of backlash. “Tumblr feminism” and vaguely or explicitly anti-male fringes were gaining steam and making their mark on internet culture. Rolling Stone’s “A Rape on Campus” article was released in 2014 (before it would be found faulty).

If there was a “#MeToo” effect, it wasn’t just #MeToo that was involved.

Zippo-Cat · 2019-05-14T05:08:49+00:00

Do you agree with my thoughts? What do you think?

"Angry woman yells at videogames; unfortunately, she's serious"

If women only date alpha males then how come things weren't that bad in the 80s and the 90s? Did women not date alpha males back then?

Because shit like social and cultural inertia exists. Change takes time. Change that concerns especially entrenched social/cultural norms takes especially long time.

exit_sandman · 2019-05-14T06:42:42+00:00

You aren't wrong with your points, you're just omitting a shitty dating script that makes things harder than they already are.

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-05-13T21:03:03+00:00

Potential 4 wraps into 5. Women are competing and selecting from the same relatively small group of men online and online dating is becoming the primary if not sole way of meeting a partner.

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rus9384 · 2019-05-13T21:22:10+00:00

Reason 1: never heard before and laughed at.

Reason 2: dating - yes, but casual sex happens before people know each others incomes, employment, etc. And these things might remain unknown in the cases of casual sex.

Reason 3: it itself was a result of something, of some kind of attitudes in society. Maybe female anxiety towards manhood.

Reason 4: less men today act as alphas. Also, it's harder to appear alpha through the net than IRL.

Reason 5: the very reason there are far less women than men in OLD tells it's not the root reason.

Reason 6: okay, I was that guy who played a ton of video games, but I also knew (and know, duh) how to interact with people. Gaming per se does not make you asocial, but maybe the motivation to seek new people fades when you play video games much.

Reason 7: the reason many people like to bring this reason is... they think that porn raised male standards and as such porn addicts compete for smaller set of women. Whether that's true is another thing. I'd say no.

u443 · 2019-05-13T22:12:44+00:00

The bar keeps getting set higher and higher with time in both the job market and the sexual market. I’m guessing this probably explains a lot of the increase in mental health problems and the decreased amount of sex.

Pope_Lucious · 2019-05-13T22:26:34+00:00

People are far less social than a generation ago.

It’s like shark attacks. If there’s less people going into the water there’s going to be less attacks.

flamingoinghome · 2019-05-13T22:53:37+00:00

I think there's one missing--the testosterone drops. I think libido across the board is literally lower. I know early 20s guys (not fat or perpetually single) who say the idea of having the energy for sex every day is crazy to them. People are less horny.

I also think "video games" is an oversimplification for entertainment in general. It's an uncomfortable truth that, historically, a whoooole lot of sexing and marrying was going on because people were bored and this was a thing to do. Why do you think the rural poor have the stereotype of getting knocked up young? Because they're bored. This wasn't lust or passion, it was boredom. We're less bored now.

ETA: The economy one is also work culture--employment has such poor work-life balance that many people simply lack the energy to date, let alone fuck.

madmadG · 2019-05-13T23:26:22+00:00

I’ll accept only items 3 and 7. They are both new to society.

Item 1 and 2 are not a strong enough case and the other reasons - well we’ve had those for many decades already so they can’t be faulted.

shipiaozi · 2019-05-14T01:02:29+00:00

As Gynocentrism patriarchy declined, society transformed from monogamy to polygamy.

mistresswhat · 2019-05-14T01:39:20+00:00

Re: the economy, I doubt unemployment is as much of a cause as the opposite -- people working multiple jobs in order to cover bills. If you're overworked, exhausted, and have almost no free time you're probably going to choose to spend what little time you have relaxing at home and/or seeing the friends and family you don't get to hang out with often because of your schedule. Trying to get laid is always a gamble and you don't have time for a relationship. Might as well take advantage of your night off to jerk off and play some video games since it's a guaranteed good time and you're too tired to leave the house anyway. Bonus: you'll save money, which is important because all your jobs don't add up to much of a paycheck.

A lot of women are in the exact same situation, and choosing hitachi + netflix for the exact same reason. So that's gonna cut down the options.

Japan has a super unhealthy workaholic culture and it's cited as the major cause of their issue.

[deleted] · 2019-05-14T02:01:57+00:00

However, the unemployment of young males is high and this might contribute. Women are generally unlikely to date unemployed men.

It's not just unemployment. Women dislike "marrying down" to a far greater extent than men ever have. In an economy based on social "'"'''''justice"'"""""" and gender parity of outcome despite variance in ability/effort/battling for promotions/time expenditure (all of which men do more of), women have assumed a position of artificially imposed, unnatural, and historically unprecedented (for good reason) equality with men.

It will take a long time yet for culture to catch up with economic reality and women to perceive men who are in fact equal to them as equals. It may never happen in fact, since probably there is some biological component in women needing to look up to men.

reddtormtnliv · 2019-05-14T03:32:52+00:00

Maybe I look at this a lot differently than you, but I think you have it backwards somewhat. You list 6 as the most likely, but I rather think it is a combination of 1, 2, 4, and 5. But you seemed to automatically discount those. Maybe this is viewed differently depending on which gender's perspective you inquire.

Jaeger__85 · 2019-05-14T06:38:28+00:00

You forgot a huge one: social media. People are so addicted to it they dont have time for sex.

MyNameIsMud0056 · 2019-05-14T13:04:58+00:00

There’s a very interesting (and long) article in The Atlantic about the “sex recession.” See here: The Sex Recession The article largely focuses on young people, and identifies many potential reasons. In all likelihood it’s a multitude of factors that have been contributing to this trend.

Some of the biggest take-aways for me is that young people these days are growing up more slowly. We (I’m one of those young people) live with our parents longer than past generations (often because of economic factors), we get our driver’s licenses at older ages, and the age at which we have sex for the first time has also increased.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention helicopter parents, who feel the need to know where their children are at all times, which makes it especially difficult for young people to have sex (this mainly concerns people in high school).

I think another important factor is social media use (including dating apps) and constant access to the internet via our smart phones. We’ve become increasingly reliant on our phones for communication, which doesn’t translate into real life social skills that are essential for sex. We’re more awkward and tend to be less comfortable being naked with one another

Lastly, I think porn usage definitely has an impact as well. Using porn excessively dampens desire to have sex with partners - I’m not saying everyone uses porn excessively, just that given its ubiquity it is a lot easier for people to abuse these days. And I don’t have the statistics here, but many people having sex are in relationships - hookup culture and casual sex has been overstated among young people.

I’m definitely skipping over some things and maybe simplifying some arguments, so I would definitely recommend reading the article.

atlantic68 · 2019-05-13T21:04:45+00:00

5 6 7 are the main ones.

Children who grew up on the internet in general are just fucking weird. So anyone born 2000 or later. The men that succeed are the jocks who still get out. The losers just became even more secluded.

If you want to find incels just head to your local bookstore and check the massive manga anime section. neckbeards everywhere

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