CMV: it's unfair for men to expect women, but not themselves, to invest in potential

Littleknownfacts · 2018-05-03T10:43:15+00:00

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blackedoutfast · 2018-05-03T07:03:35+00:00

A lot of red pill men believe that attractive women should settle down young with less attractive nerdy guys.

nope, this is completely wrong kiddo

it's the less attractive nerdy beta bluepill guys who believe this. RP tells guys that this is a retarded thing to hope for, and instead they should focus on getting their shit together and improving their SMV.

a hot, young girl who is in a relationship with a less attractive nerdy guy because she hopes he has "potential" is an easy mark for a RP dude who knows what he is doing. it can be easier to steal a girl away from a beta guy than to pick up a similarly hot single girl.

Barely-moral · 2018-05-03T05:48:21+00:00

Ok, lets give this a try.

Men don't invest in the potential SMV that a woman may posibly have in the future because women don't have an increasing SMV. Women have a their SMV frontloaded. They get all their SMV early in life and they start losing it. It is the oposite for men.

If a man invest in a fat girl because she could lose the weight, that man wants the very short window in which the weight loss has more impact than her aging. It is not that valuable.

If a man invests in a woman, he invests in a depreciating asset. If a woman invests in a man, she invests in an asset that can increase in value.

what if the guy never becomes high value? I knew a lot of nerdy guys in college and am still friends with them on fb. Many just became fatter and more bald with age. Zero of the unattractive, but hard working guys I knew became attractive with age. Some of them also became less successful than we expected.

Supposedly TRP is filled with former nerds turned hotties but do you think these guys would have put in the work to be hot if they landed their dream girl young? Probably not. The girl would end up with a fat, unattractive dude she hatesfucking.

That is a risk in any investment. If you invest in something you did your research in order to know the potential is there. And you should never let an investment/bussiness work on their own, you do what you need to do to make sure the investment gives you a return.

If you want to date a young man/invest in him: Do your research before investing in a man. Invest in a man that will grow in value. Do what you have to do to make your investment grow. Make sure you guide your man into the path you wish him to be in.

If you don't want to invest in a man that is growing in SMV you should know he will notice that. If you wan't a man that will never even think of leaving you after you hit the wall, invest in him early on.

LuxuriousBottleCap · 2018-05-03T05:31:13+00:00

> How many hot, well groomed guys would date a frumpy girl who has the bone structure to look good if she lost twenty pounds and gave herself a makeover?

I've legit done this a couple of times, lol

Not full on exclusive GF, but FWB+diet encouragement. Actually exactly how my current GF started. No sense of style, 30 lbs too heavy but potential to be pretty with near perfect hourglass figure. Very compatible personality type too.

It was worth it. I've been with her longer than anyone else(4 years now).

Jammerly1 · 2018-05-03T06:11:36+00:00

LOL yeah Terps are full of it. That’s pretty much a given. Every negative trait they say women have is 10x worse in men but they refuse to acknowledge it.

exit_sandman · 2018-05-03T07:58:16+00:00

Whoo boy, that's some serious misrepresentation here.

For starters, the change usually isn't all that extreme. It's more something like a guy getting a particular job and suddenly becoming "desirable" to women after having been ignored. The frustration that suddenly one is considered being good enough (but only for a relationship) by women who slept around for over a decade, coupled with the frustration that one has been exposed to severely misleading massages about what is attractive to women. And quite frankly: I can't say how often I've read female comments along the lines of "back when I was fat, they didn't look at me twice, but after I lost weight the same guys suddenly want to date me - that really makes me resent men". How is that any less questionable?

Of course one *could* conflate all this into "women should date fat ugly smelly IT nerds because they might get rich at some point" - but one could also *not* do it.

MercedesBenzoAMG · 2018-05-03T09:22:05+00:00

I disagree with your whole premise. I've dated women who became more attractive over time, is this seriously something you think is so uncommon?

Also I think the issues men have with this kind of thing are not about women refusing to date men below their own physical attractiveness, but instead about how women only pay attention to them after they make money.

Five_Decades · 2018-05-03T05:11:24+00:00

Generally it is midrange women who settle down with guys who have potential. High value women pick guys who have already actualized their potential.

The midrange women do not have the market value to land a doctor, so they date the pre-med student. The high value women date the doctor.

Jcart105 · 2018-05-03T06:42:32+00:00

A lot of red pill men believe that attractive women should settle down young with less attractive nerdy guys. The idea is that these men will become high value with age and the women will get a great deal out of it in the end: a high SMV/RMV guy who will love her when she's post wall.

They don't. Most RP men think it's in a young woman's best self-interest to settle down with an already accomplish and established man, even if he's 10 years older than her.

Most of TRP doesn't care about potential, only results.

AloneOnTheStrange · 2018-05-03T07:03:05+00:00

First of all, I don't think that anyone should enter a relationship with a person as an investment. Relationships aren't fair. People go for who they're attracted to, not for who they might be attracted to in one, two, or five years time. Not to mention you would be extremely unlikely to become attracted to someone after being unattractive for that amount of time.

But, let's pretend fairness matters, and talk about the so called hypocrisy of expecting an investment out of a girl.

Now all of this is a fantasy anyway. So let's deal with this for how the fantasy works for your average nice guy: Peter Parker wants Mary Jane. Mary Jane wants Chad. Peter thinks Mary should invest in him because Peter's going to be a millionaire inventor, while Chad is working in a garage. Makes sense for an immature teenage fantasy. The nerds grow up successful and rich, the jocks grow up poor. So of course it makes sense to invest in the nerds, even for really hot girls, right? Sure, in real life this nerd might have severe socially debilitating issues that means he never reaches his intellectual potential, and Chad rides through college, then upper management, with his confidence and gusto pushing him all the way. But again, fantasy.

Unfortunately for these fat girls, no such fantasy archetypes exist. There aren't movies where a fat girl loses weight, and all the Chads that ignored her suddenly want to marry her. At best you've got stories about girls with glasses and paint covered overalls that are totally hot even with those things. So Peter Parker doesn't look at teenage Rosie O'Donnell and think about getting her now before she gets hot, because it's not ingrained into his culture like the revenge of the nerds is. He's not hypocritical. He just doesn't think there will be a pay off for his investment.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-05-03T07:24:27+00:00

Men do not value the same things in women that women value in men.

There is no “potential” for a woman from a man’s perspective. Her age will have a negative impact on the most important criteria for men- her looks.

hammerhaunts · 2018-05-03T04:34:46+00:00

How many fit, attractive popular young guys would date a fat girl with nice eyes and a nice smile because maybe she would look llike a model if she lost weight? How many hot, well groomed guys would date a frumpy girl who has the bone structure to look good if she lost twenty pounds and gave herself a makeover?

Yes, yes, not hypocritical

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newName543456 · 2018-05-03T08:44:52+00:00

A lot of red pill men believe that attractive women should settle down young with less attractive nerdy guys.

Actually TRP promotes the idea of plating, which is opposite of settling down.

The idea is that these men will become high value with age

They won't if they don't invest in their appearance/career. It has been said on TRP repeatedly, not sure what you are trying to disagree with then.

I think it's unfair that men want to punish women for not investing in potential when they themselves wouldn't

See response under first quote

It doesn't matter if they "invest" or not, because their "investment" will likely get obliterated as soon as more attractive option comes along.

[deleted] · 2018-05-03T09:55:09+00:00

CMV: Women expect fairness in everything because they're weaker.

Men already invest in women. When he is practising monogamy, that's an investment. Approaching a woman, investment.

We're always doing it.

throwbacktuesday98 · 2018-05-03T10:30:51+00:00

Two words:

MALE ENTITLEMENT

FairlyNaive · 2018-05-03T10:44:14+00:00

Well, thats an easy one.

Firstly there is no should - the idea is that its easier to catch work in progress guy than an established one because the competition would be less. If women dont want to go this way - they are absolutely free to do so, they just have to accept that they have to either setlle with lesser guy or compete with numerous other women for already established one.

Secondly, girls dont generally experience huge smv/rmv gains as thier smv tend to peak 18-23 and they dont experince same level of rmv gains due to the career progression. So there is no reason to invest in a risky asset that isnt expected to grow.

DaphneDK42 · 2018-05-03T11:11:02+00:00

A lot of red pill men believe that attractive women should settle down young with less attractive nerdy guys.

Young women aren't forced to do anything. However, if they want to find a man with high status, good career, etc. - then they can either try to find one with potential, or they can find one who already realised his potential. The latter one would typically be much older.

If they don't care about status, career, etc., then they don't have to take these things into consideration.

AstuteBlackMan · 2018-05-03T05:26:07+00:00

Nothing in life is guaranteed.

A counter argument can be made as to why invest in anyone in general? You might die or get shot. Right?

Technically. In the aspect of dating you're banking that the person is going to maintain a relationship that's going to stay as it was at its good points.

celincelin · 2018-05-03T06:44:33+00:00

How about this standard answer to every complaint from men—“dating isn’t fair, just deal with it”?

[deleted] · 2018-05-03T06:28:32+00:00

This is an easy one. Because all women have to offer is sex. If you took a woman's vagina away, all women would be incels. A fat man is held to the same standards no matter if he gets fatter or loses weight of being a utility. So in theory, a fat man with less effort should technically be more desirable than a hot man that just looks good.

Title	CMV: it's unfair for men to expect women, but not themselves, to invest in potential
Author	Pooch231
Upvotes	14
Comments	91
Date	May 3, 2018 4:32 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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