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Question for all, do you believe “Ben (hairdresser)” when he claims an n count of 50?

simcity4000

March 16, 2018
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As per https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/evqgza/question-of-the-day-how-many-people-have-you-slept-with

Is Ben a chad?

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Title Question for all, do you believe “Ben (hairdresser)” when he claims an n count of 50?
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Date March 16, 2018 7:16 AM UTC
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[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes I believe his count is this high.

No, he’s not a chad.

This is from my personal experience (my mums a hairdresser and owned about 4 or 5 hairdressing shops over the course of my childhood, I spent a lot of my time in them and “washing hair” as a Saturday junior was my first paid job).

First, hairdressers (Male or female) are really social people who spend all day every day talking to women, and by so doing developing their social skills. Successful hairdressers are to social skills what Arnold Schwarzenegger is to muscles. There is no other role/job where your primary purpose is “to make women feel good about themselves 10 hours a day, with a new woman seated in front of you every half hour”.

In addition, because of the above, they get a natural opportunity for a half hour pickup (that’s not awkward in any way) 20 times a day. Literally a woman sitting in front of them, whilst they practice a “skill mastery” on them, where they are expected as part of the role to chat and flirt with the woman. It is an ideal hunting ground.

In addition to the above he’ll also do “private” clients on the side for extra tax free cash... where a woman literally invites you into her home to flirt with her style her hair for 30-60m in the privacy of her own home.

Thirdly, clicking on the link Ben has a lot of tats and looks quite masculine. This will be in an environment which is 80:20 women (hairdressers) and where 3/4 of the other males will be either actually gay or very effeminate if not gay.

Finally, a hairdressers appearance is their “shop window”. They tend to be highly fashion conscious with whatever the latest hairstyle is (sorted for free by a colleague, even if that is usually an expensive style to have done or maintain.. eg hair colour, bleach or perm) and they tend to be very fashionably dressed as well because of their orientation to fashion.

SO....

Ben is likely have top notch woman hunting skills (social skills), look as best he can for his natural looks (fashion hair), and be the ONLY masculine looking male in an extremely “target rich environment” as well as having 20 natural pickup opportunities literally “drop in his lap” every working day for years, at a time he is demonstrating skill mastery and competence and is expected to flirt as part of his job.

Plus the girls working in the shop tend to be CC riders as well so he probably picked up a handful of his count from colleagues.

I can absolutely believe, without a shadow of a doubt, he could get to a 40-80-100 N count if he wanted to... probably without even having to do a single “cold” pickup.

If you’re young and don’t mind working in a poorly paid position and you want to have lots of girls... this ain’t a bad route for a guy.

Just make sure that as soon as possible you own your own shop. That ain’t great pay.... but the pay if you don’t own the shop is fucking terrible (which is why it’s so female dominated as a profession).

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I suddenly have a newfound respect for male hairdressers.

[–]wracky272RPG's are fun2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Karma +1 for legendary effort/quality reponse.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I believe him, he looks friendly and interesting, not bad looking.

What are you calling Chad? Any dude who can get laid?

[–]simcity4000[S] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t call anyone chad because I think it’s a dumb term.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

same

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention possibly the worst first name in the English language.

[–]csehszlovakze 1 points1 points1 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

What are you calling Chad? Any dude who can get laid?

kek'd

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

?

[–]EqualinaPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why wouldn’t I believe him? He’s probably a fun, confident guy and likely in a social circle where hookups are more common.

[–]Reed_49831 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because TRP says hookups are reserved to a small apex of men who convey having such top tier genetics that women want to sleep with them even though all women want to commit to a high-value alpha male.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

20%

Small apex of men

Pick one

[–]Reed_49831 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

20% is small when compared to the 80% of men who are below.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

tha's not what TRP says at all. the top men do have a dispropotionate amout of sex, but hookups are NOT exclusively reserved to the top 20% of men.

also, being in the top tier isn't really based on genetics alone, it's based on SMV. from an evo-psych perspective, yes that's why these mating patterns developed, but it's indirect. women can't tell the difference between a guy who naturally has a great body with zero effort because he has great genetics vs a guy who has a great body in spite of shitty genetics because he is extremely devoted to dieting and exercise.

and it's not an impossible feat for men to get into the top 20%. 20% is one out of five. and so many men are fat awkward fuckups that it's easy to be better than them with just a minimal amount of effort.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depending on who you ask, this is indeed what TRP and red pillers say and believe. As far as I know, there is no accepted truth on TRP on what kind of man can get casual sex, as TRPs core beliefs are often ambiguous (or can you show me proof that says otherwise). I have however, seen many red pillers say that being able to get casual sex is proof you are Chad. Here are some examples:

A lot of guys would love the entire casual sex atmosphere if they were actually allowed to participate. But the hot guys get the majority. And not only from the hot women but also from the average women.

A woman deciding to fuck me right out of the gate without requiring any investment from me is declaring my high value- by giving me what I want, now, without demanding anything in return.

In other words, they want to sleep with and get Chad to commit. Unfortunately, the bulk of average to upper-average women (5s to 7s) attempt to get Chad to commit through sex. This doesn't work because Chad is swimming in an ocean of 6 and 7 vagina.

Women, however, are EXTREMELY picky, as Tinder studies have shown. If you're not 6 feet, charismatic, and ripped, the odds are you will NEVER have sex without commitment in your life. Women only go for the top 20%.

I could find many more but you get the idea.

[–]DemonConsulting4" Dragon3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He seems like a sociable, cool, interesting guy - has a lot of tattoos, is probably fairly outgoing with a large friend group/ social cycle and said he was more "crazy" when he was younger and not very picky so sounds to me like he went out a lot, partied, just had fun in an environment where hookups are common and was open for it.

He's not a male model or anything but I doubt his hookups were models either and if his personality is/was the outgoing, a bit "crazy" party type, I don't see why he shouldn't be able to find casual sex.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Ben is Chads slightly less attractive cousin, Aden. Relaxed, non-judgmental, you can tell by the amount of tattoos.

My brother in law is that dude. Except drugs. And it's cat nip for a lot of women.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

People under estimate how powerful it is to be relaxed, non-judgemental, ect... LMR won't happen and they'll be open to experimenting.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Definitely. I don't know if it's pressed in TRP, but it should be.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They surely talk a lot about LMR, but I don't know if it's because american girls are like that or because they're just looking judgemental as fuck.

People usually tell me I make them feel judgemental, they feel like talking to me about anything. I got friendzoned a lot because of that initially, then I think it helped a lot at simply making women comfortable being sexual with me. It's one of my only valuable perk IMO.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

as a sexual strategy, yes being chill and non-judgmental is very effective.

TRP has a LOT of dudes going through the anger phase and guys who got screwed over my being too trusting of women and they can be very judgmental.

also, you want to look relaxed and non-judgmental, but you don't want to be too non-judgmental and start ignoring red flags and forgetting AWALT or you'll end up getting fucked in the not good sense of the term.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Relaxed, non-judgmental, you can tell by the amount of tattoos.

My brother in law is that dude. Except drugs. And it's cat nip for a lot of women.

Can confirm.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He looks like he's in the party scene so probably. I doubt they were all Stacey, but whatever.

For all the speegs looking to get laid, maybe be construction workers 🤔

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I believe him more than I believe the other guy who said he's slept with 80-90. I think both have probably increased their N for the interview, but Ben is more believable based on what many other women find attractive.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Other dude probably counted kissing and touching-with-clothing...

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, that might make more sense.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He's 37 though, and if was was sexually active for ~22 years (since 15 years of age) .. that's like 3-4 women / year. If he was only into casual sex and never said no to any givers... maybe it's possible.

Oh, and here's a quote from one of them:

D: We don't really know them, we don't really talk about it.

Could be complete bullshit - borderline fiction.

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He's 37 though, and if was was sexually active for ~22 years (since 15 years of age) .. that's like 3-4 women / year.

Waaaaay too many partners for my taste, but you have a point. It just sounds like a number he came up with to impress his friend and the interviewer though. 😅

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nuh-uh, he's a supreme SuperChad high value alpha megamale.

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn. He must have eaten all his vegetables as a kid.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't buy 80-90 for the construction worker either. He works with other men, he's not good looking and probably not that smart or wealthy.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

If you had to be smart and wealthy to get laid I'd still be a virgin 😂

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You need more than that dude has to beef 90 girls.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Depends if he's counting prozzies or not don't it?

Builders are exactly the type of blokes who will visit escorts on the weekend man haha. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he got that number from a combo of regular game and paying to play especially since the guy's in his 30's, that's a few decades of being sexually active.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I hadn't considered the prostitute angle and it is legal here in Melbourne where these guys live. Numbers like that can only be done with pros or ONS. This guy seems like a knockabout type who'd rather have a tinnie in his hand at 5 rather than go slay the ladies.

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Y'know, I didn't even think of this possibility. Here in 'Murica prostitution is illegal in 99% of the country... even though it would probably reduce the amount of sex trafficking and actually give people a steady source of income. 😏

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's probably safer as well.

[–]ContrasexualWomanPurple and Polyamourous WGTOW0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I would agree. I've known women who worked for "escort services" and apparently they are more like contractors who can make their own rates, only pay back 15% of what they make, and the company keeps tabs on the clients history. They even have to check in afterwards to ensure everything went smoothly.

Sounds so much better than being stuck with some pimp, working the streets and not knowing if the john is going to fuck you or kill you.

[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

From what I've been told that whole "paying for time" loophole works in the US so I don't know why there aren't more independent escorts on sites like Adultwork which have a level of regulation and a feedback system to cut out the middleman of an escort service. AW is very popular in the UK.

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm. I would think hair dressers if they are successful probably have a good sized social network so based on that I think it is believable. Looks wise he has too much forehead but he has obviously figured out a way around that so good for him.

[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

uh yeah? why wouldn't i.

on quick glance i don't think he's a chad. just a normal, social young guy living in whats most likely a big city and goes out a lot. its a fairly normal thing.

and just by looking at him i'd bet he's been with a bunch of subpar hipster chicks. guys who know their "niche" as opposed to indiscrimately going after any young women have much better success. i'd bet he spends his friday nights in shitty dive bars, warehouse parties, and ironic "screamo" nights at clubs.

[–]quicklogaccountI claim to cause RPs to feel blue1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I believe it might be around that.
These days anyone who wants to put effort into it will be adding 2 or 3 to their count every week, but 1 a month is a given for folks that are open and willing to have sex with strangers.
For starters it's probably a little harder for men, but once they can manage to open chicks, it's all the same or maybe even easier for us.

[–]RepresentativeData0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Define effort. I'm able to open real easy but I think I just suck shit at coming off the right way throughout the approach. Maybe it's because I've been exclusively doing stuff in the day?

[–]quicklogaccountI claim to cause RPs to feel blue0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

mmm. You have a game issue there.

Maybe it's because I've been exclusively doing stuff in the day?

Day game probably works better with a more conservative and careful strategy. As far as I can tell Mystery's method still owns when it comes to being careful.
I guess it doesn't fit well with more Chaddish approaches for the game. See this dude:
https://krauserpua.com/2016/01/02/my-2015-daygame-stats/
15/670 lays.

I'm able to open real easy but I think I just suck shit at coming off the right way throughout the approach.

Honestly, I find opening hard as fuck due to approach anxiety, so the solution I found for myself was dropping the fuchthisshit for maintaining plausible deniability and letting out my intentions early on.
Although it's a bit like using clutches for the game for me, it might as well be a pretty good strategy to raise the counter.

[–]RepresentativeData0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

So you're tellin me, you put 2 to 3 to your count every week with approach anxiety?

Well I don't wanna misdiagnose myself, I pretty much have a 100% number close rate when I actually ask for it. The numbers rarely lead to anything which is my problem. I used to have debilitating approach anxiety to where I just couldn't approach. Now what little anxiety I have left I can get through with sheer willpower. If I decide that I'm going approach, I can do it. I've got no doubt about it anymore. The two lays that I've had have been from fatties. I wasn't even using game and I just asked them to smash through tinder lol. I'm 20 years old so I guess I've got plenty of time to become a master. ;)

Try taking cold showers. The willpower it takes to get under cold water multiple days in a row(if you normally take warm showers), just might be what you need to overcome that anxiety. I've heard of "gun to the head what would you do?" techniques for anxiety, but I like this approach: "you're already dead, your reputation doesn't matter, one foot in front of the other, walk over there and see what happens."

[–]quicklogaccountI claim to cause RPs to feel blue0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're tellin me, you put 2 to 3 to your count every week with approach anxiety?

Had two weeks adding two before committing. Tinder makes it easy as fuck for guys like me, the approach bit is solved for starters, and past that I kind of have an easy time escalating.
But take Tinder aside, opening in parties and clubs, at least the first couple chicks, is hell. I need some booze and the right mood to loosen up a little, I don't recall opening all sober.
I've never done daygame though. Ironies. Before I broke with my ex I thought that'd be my winner, after it I never actually did it.

The numbers rarely lead to anything which is my problem.

I guess try the Chad-ish approach. Ask the chick out asap. At least you won't waste your time.
15/670 sucks but 15 on daygame alone works pretty well.

you put 2 to 3 to your count

This is another thing. Who cares about numbers? Men with low counts that believe they didn't have enough fun before they commit to a chick with a higher count. Reads: me. Post break up.
So for a while I actually made upping the count a priority. That's what led me to say "people who WANT can do it". So many tinderellas (nothing against them, I'd have started a relationship with two of them if I didn't have raising the count as a priority at the time).
While playing the field, for fun, while maintaining a couple fuck buddies, and that number won't be nearly as high. You're 20 though, you'll go clubbing and partying three times a week if you feel like it, plus weekends.

[–]Ordinate1Brown pill - Eat shit and die, motherfucker!1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Um, who cares?

[–]simcity4000[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno. Who cares about anything on this dumb forum? I found it interesting because so much time is spent discussing here what it means to be 'sexually succesful' so heres a picture of a guy who claims to be.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

50 isn't unbelievable

[–]LifterofThingsDelicate Feminine Flower1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd believe it. He gabs with women all day at his job -- if he can manage that without coming off gay, he's probably relatively charming and comfortable talking to women.

He's not my personal cup of tea, but I can see objectively how he'd be attractive to women.

I don't know what a Chad is anymore. The term's been mutilated beyond all recognition.

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[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The basis for this article is fucking weird, did Vice literally just prowl the streets and ask random people what their sex lives were like?

[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

don't trust nothing written by cuckice

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Is Ben a chad?

With the chubby arms and bumfluff beard (how ironic) ... probably not, but he does have a 'mesomorphic' masculine-shaped upper body, which is a big plus.

He was sleeping mostly with these girls.

You rack up a high partner count by not saying no to anyone who shows interest (inc. dumpster diving) and being in a promiscuous social circle. The end.

Note: "sleep with" can probably be fairly loosely defined - including lower level sexual activity like hand/mouth. This is why CDC data is great, as it describes sexual acts in straightforward detail.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's a liar.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I know multiple guys who look like him or worse with active sex lives. You don't have to be hot as a man to get casual sex, just social and fun.

[–]Swallow_bird_0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think he's hot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I prefer more clean cut guys.

[–]Swallow_bird_0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the tatties and beard look.

[–]Swallow_bird_0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's the hottest guy on the list IMO. I'd bang.

[–]MisterJose0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pro-wrestler Ric Flair's claimed n count is 10,000. 50 is nothing.

[–]newName543456went volcel0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, he's a quintessential Chad.

You don't need to be insanely rich to get laid.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Based on that article, it the CDC's average partner number of 4 or 5 for Americans becomes even more questionable.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You know how averages work, right? Some have 50. Some have 0. The average sitting around 4-5 seems right, as most people do not get around to banging 50 people. That’s a lot of time sunk into a single activity.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Right, and some get married early, meaning they will have a lot of sex, but only with one person. But the average of the people in the Vice article is definitely higher than 4-5. I guess they didn't exactly take an accurate representation of the whole population.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much. The amount of sex a person has is often a statement about the specific community they’re in. I’m bi, and value both sex positively in my social life and a frank openness in discussing it, so I tend to hang around people with higher n-counts just because they don’t have hang ups. Its kind of eventual, that everyone is ends up hooking up with each other.

But that doesn’t mean it’s the norm. The next social circle hanging out next to us at the bar might all take dating very seriously and all agree that sex should be a precursor to relationships and marriage. They may have never met someone that’s had a casual hookup in their life. It’s not the norm for them certainly.

[–]simcity4000[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They likely excised the boring answers from the article tho.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The CDC reports medians, which are less sensitive to large outliers in a zero-bound (no partners less than 0, obviously), right-skewed data set. A mean for this data ("average" as it's usually called) would be higher.

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