Marriage; Understand the roles and sacrifices for both males/females

madscientistlove · 2018-01-12T21:03:05+00:00

why do men who have no intent to marry a woman still expect a woman to have sex and commit to them for life, if what she has to lose by being with him longterm, is her equilivent to him losing his money?

Because there are some women who will do it. I think it's remarkably stupid to sign up to be a "perma-girlfriend" and give up your best years to someone who could easily trade in for a younger model-- but there are women who do it.

Some men want that because they see it as the best possible deal. This has nothing to do with fairness, and everything to do with each person trying to get the most "bang for their buck".

mgtow_1 · 2018-01-13T00:50:15+00:00

Women have no binding commitment to men these days either. The moment she meets someone better she can leave at anytime. This is the state of marriage these days. That is why I feel the government should just stay out of the marriage business entirely. Let marriage exist for religious reasons only. Any other agreement individuals want to legally entertain should be done under legal contracts with duties and responsibilities spelled out clearly for both parties.

reluctantly_red · 2018-01-12T23:34:08+00:00

The "divorce rape" thing is incredibly easy to avoid. Just marry a woman who has her own career. If the marriage fails a 50/50 split of assets usually means each party walks away with only what they brought to or invested into the marriage.

Example. I actually got a small portion of my ex-wife's pension and she didn't get any of mine because her's was a bit bigger.

But for some reason RP guys don't like educated women.

Taipanshimshon · 2018-01-12T22:14:01+00:00

you are literally comparing giving a partner your physical affection to going out and adulting on your behalf.

stop it.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-01-12T20:17:49+00:00

It's not that you're wrong about the female point of view in this situation, it's that red pill men don't care what women want don't care about the female imperative and don't care if their behavior serves the female imperative. They don't care if men can wait 10 years of a woman's youth and then dump her for a new model, they find that admirable, and from the male perspective it is

[deleted] · 2018-01-12T21:46:24+00:00

Marriage is mostly dead because of hyper individualism for men and pseudo (govt supported) individualism for women

iseeyouxo · 2018-01-12T21:05:15+00:00

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despisedlove2 · 2018-01-12T21:11:26+00:00

Marriage doesn't exist.

The legal form does exist, but it carries none of the deals it once did for men. At this time, it is just a waiting period between active dating and divorce rape.

csehszlovakze · 2018-01-13T00:54:21+00:00

it's easy: look at all the men who were divorce raped, that lost everything post-marriage, who were evicted from their homes (while the ex-wife keeps it and moves in her new boyfriend a week later), paying lifetime alimony and child support (even if they aren't the biological fathers), who have their kids turned against them, that become homeless or kill themselves.

and if you don't believe me, just check out older MGTOWs, the Mens Rights Movement, realsexism.com etc.

TL;DR: by getting married a man has nothing to win and everything to lose.

Cho_Assmilk · 2018-01-12T19:59:50+00:00

why do men who have no intent to marry a woman still expect a woman to have sex and commit to them for life

They don't?

GoonSquadMember · 2018-01-13T08:22:34+00:00

This is why even though I'm bisexual, I'm glad I married a woman. It's an equal partnership and we actually agreed that if we get divorced our assets will be split 50/50. Here's an idea, don't marry someone you don't trust. My wife makes more money than me, but if she wanted to divorce me I'm not going to go after her for her money. Love is more important than money. As long as you have enough money to get by, who gives a shit about being wealthy. I don't think all women are good diggers who can't wait to divorce rape a man.

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a_mans_perspective · 2018-01-13T05:25:58+00:00

One problem i see with this set up is that the amount of money, commitment, etc a man is expected to put into the relationship goes up with time, while the amount of sex and body access he gets often goes down.

daveofmars · 2018-01-13T17:10:17+00:00

Roles can be negotiated on a marriage by marriage basis, so I don't understand the hangup on traditional roles for husband/wife. If you don't want them, don't do them. If your partner wants you to do them and you don't then negotiate or find another partner. If other people outside your relationship want to do them, then what's it to you? I think people get emotional over gender/marriage roles in theory but when it comes to the real world they're not an actual problem because no one is physically stopping you from opting-out.

why do men who have no intent to marry a woman still expect a woman to have sex and commit to them for life

Well, if the man intends to commit to her for life, even outside of marriage, then what's the problem? She's getting what she wants. A lot of men don't want to get officially married because it adds another layer of risk if the relationship goes south. You avoid the risks by not getting married and staying with your partner as if you're married.

Let's re-frame: if the relationship is fundamentally the same whether you're married or not then why does the woman care whether you get married or not? Maybe she should explain herself.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2018-01-12T22:55:35+00:00

Marriage was invented to procure land, resources, money, or politics. It has no business in this day and age and entraps women. It's easy to get into and detrimental to get out of. A high asset divorce (concerning money, children, or property) costs $10,000 to $20,000. Men are too selfish to do something to help women around in genuine way. When they do anything its the bare minimum and expect a fcking parade.Men are lazy, abusive, and hate women. They have no incentive to change their behavior. They are monsters. We have thousands of years of proof to back that up. They would be more likely to start a campaign for dogs than women and little girls. If women are to be protected we have to come together and protect one another. As for the sex, shame that young dude's fantasies these days are along the lines of choking their partner while doing rough anal cos that's what the pornstars do. Despite enjoying sex, I am definitely a prude. Because prude means "has boundaries", "has sex when and if she wants it" "doesn't submit to unpleasant or painful acts for the sake of a man's dick feels". Glad modern women are pushing back.

Title	Marriage; Understand the roles and sacrifices for both males/females
Author	iseeyouxo
Upvotes	16
Comments	119
Date	January 12, 2018 7:57 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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