Q4RP: Why do think that being a male feminist and having a spine is contradictory?

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2017-05-26T14:56:48+00:00

Where does the idea come from that a male feminist is supposed to be a passive, obedient, submissive Nice Guy doormat that treats her like a perfect princess?

Part of being a male feminist is being submissive towards female feminists for the same reason that white feminists are supposed to be submissive towards colored feminists if intersectionality is the topic of conversation. Its all based on the privilege olympics, so the more privilege you have the more submissive you have to be, so if you are a white male you need to be very submissive for feminists to consider you one of their own

You cant be a general asshole and a feminist, because feminists frame certain behavior as sexist or racist even when its not. For example, I love the sound of my own voice so I will partake in what feminists call mansplaining, even though I do it to everyone not just women

If you are a white male only certain personality types are compatible with feminism, most of which would be described as spineless, submissive, nice, non confrontational etc

And where does the idea come from that even feminists aren't dating guys that are feminists?

Feminists themselves admit this, I would say they tend to date ~chill dudes who don't give a fuck and aren't controlling but also don't give a fuck about sociology~

I'm actually a pretty liberal guy and agree with feminism on a lot of topics, but you arent a feminist unless other feminists consider you one. I have been told that to be an actual male feminist you must repeat feminist theory based on approved feminist sources, rather than your own mind and opinions. At that point I was done, if I cant have my own theories and opinions I thought of myself than i'm over it, if that's not submissive I don't know what is

IckyStickyPoo · 2017-05-26T15:07:13+00:00

Male feminism is an inherently self flagellating ideology.

Archwinger · 2017-05-26T17:31:28+00:00

There are two kinds of male feminists.

The first kind is a reasonably attractive, socially apt, fun, interesting dude that women are choosing to fuck. So of course he's all for female sexual liberation, normalizing sluttiness, and all of the sex-positive jazz. Because when you give women unrestrained sexual choice, they're choosing to have sex with him. And he has a spine.

The second kind is a reasonably unattractive, socially below-average, kind of boring dude that women don't want to fuck, but he thinks that if he works hard to understand women better, takes an interest in women's issues, sides with women, and demonstrates what a great guy he is, women will recognize this and choose to fuck him. He has no spine and does whatever he thinks women want him to do.

About 20% of male feminists are the first kind and 80% are the second kind. The same cross-section of attractive, casual-sex-worthy guys (20%) versus unattractive, relationship-sex-only (60%) or completely undateable (20%) guys you see across the entire male population. (Numbers are approximations -- the concept stands even if 20% is more accurately 25%, 30%, 10%, or 2%).

prodigy2throw · 2017-05-26T14:50:14+00:00

Not contradictory, just very unlikely.

exit_sandman · 2017-05-26T19:20:12+00:00

Where does the idea come from that a male feminist is supposed to be a passive, obedient, submissive Nice Guy doormat that treats her like a perfect princess?

You forgot gullible.

And yeah, these guys are overall more likely to become male feminists because feminism promotes these behaviors in men. If you're already passive and doormatsy towards women from the onset, aligning yourself with a movement that demands these character traits from you comes easier.

The question is just whether these guys stick to feminism in the long run once they've figured out that they can't really win.

BiggerDthanYou · 2017-05-26T18:07:16+00:00

Because if you have a spine you reject the idea that the color of your skin and gender make you a bad person by default.

despisedlove2 · 2017-05-26T15:17:17+00:00

Q4OP: why do you think that being a patriotic Norwegian and being called Quisling is contradictory?

BPremium · 2017-05-26T16:13:06+00:00

something something nuance, something something insert insult.

alreadyredschool · 2017-05-26T22:50:42+00:00

Because all male feminists are pathetic beta cucks.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-05-26T16:32:32+00:00

Male feminists are just sneaky. They can't win at the competition game, and so try the tactics of virtue signaling and white knighting to get attention.

Electra_Cute · 2017-05-26T15:09:42+00:00

Male feminists are usually just males who never had any issues with relationships, so they figure "why not" or they are males who are using it as a way to meet females, and there is also some virtue signalling as well. An individual saying they are a feminist has almost nothing to do with having a "spine" or not in most cases.

winterrider · 2017-05-26T18:19:54+00:00

What it boils down to, in my mind, is not what women say, but what they actually do.

One of my female 8/10 friends is married to an extremely dominant, alpha male, extremely masculine leader. He loves, respects and cherishes her, but he is definitely the dominant leader. He is basically the opposite of a male feminist. They love each other dearly and after 10 years of marriage she is still DTF whenever.

Another very dear friend of mine is a liberal feminist activist. She married a guy who was a male liberal feminist as well. They have been together about 7 years and she is pressuring him to open the relationship up. Male feminist that he is, he will probably go along with it. Essentially she has lost all attraction and respect for him. And that is why you don't want to be one of those guys

PieceBringer · 2017-05-26T16:32:19+00:00

I can respect women feminists easily especially when they are aware from what they're doing but men feminists...

questioningwoman · 2017-05-26T17:02:01+00:00

Being a red pill woman and having a spine is contradictory. But of course having a spine is somehow negative in women because "society" or "nature" says so.

Jex117 · 2017-05-27T08:13:45+00:00

For the most part it's just inherent in-group / out-group biases. Sargon of Akkad has a good rundown of this effect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqOIjzi-jE

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winterrider · 2017-05-26T18:09:33+00:00

Because so many women have such an extreme negative reaction towards these guys, most guys don't want to identify as such. That is one reason.

A second reason is I think a lot of male feminists try to use that fact to try to pickup women. They are suck ups that agree with everything they say in order to, they hope, get a shot at sleeping with them.

[deleted] · 2017-05-27T01:29:40+00:00

For me and where I come from, it is usually white knight faggots who are vocal about being a feminist. It isnt a badge to really be worn. However, I dont know any guys who really oppose the ideas that women should have rights and be free, they just hate the fucking dickheads who go on about it all the time.

Most women as well, dislike people who mark themselves out as feminists because they seem to be addressing insecurities and a chip on their shoulder. Most of the normal women I know realise they have equal rights already and dont need that nonsense.

Guys who jump on the bandwagon usually have an agenda with it, are insecure or have some reason for that extreme. They are people pleasers and can only repeat what they are told. They cant say something without checking through their femnist filter first. They are bitches. They lack critical thinking skills and can only offer support.

They are much like extreme right people in fact, people who strongly dislike equality.

SilentLurker666 · 2017-05-27T12:14:13+00:00

Say there's two groups of people in society. A & B. Both people in group A and B are currently equal but different, but because of said Difference people from Group B say A is favored, and it gets to the point where a certain number of people from Group A actually agrees with Group B and start advocating giving Group B more privileges and less responsibilities and brings up every instances where group A is at an advantage while ignoring the areas where group B actually has an advantage.

How would you describe said people from Group A supporting Group B?

czerdec · 2017-05-27T21:16:41+00:00

Where does the idea come from that a male feminist is supposed to be a passive, obedient, submissive Nice Guy doormat

It comes from feminist media outlets and social media figures expressing the ideology in their public updates. They literally demand that men specifically refrain from speaking in preference to a womam.

Where did you think we got that impression? Were we subjected to brainwashing like in Clockwork Orange?

raziphel · 2017-05-26T15:13:04+00:00

Those who say that are projecting their own insecurities, based on their assumptions about an issue they don't fully understand and don't want to understand because it challenges their sense of self-authority and ego. It's easier demonize others than question yourself, after all.

The accusations of passivity and sexual weakness are just plain laughable to me personally, because I'm a male feminist, as well as a poly kinky Dom with 2 (about to be 3) wonderful, intelligent, feminist, beautiful submissive partners... and have been so for the last decade. The key to it all is respect, and frankly, it's not fucking hard.

All those anti-feminists are doing is wallowing in their own bitterness, and yes, we laugh at their ineptness. Haters gonna hate.

questioningwoman · 2017-05-26T17:03:11+00:00

What it takes to be a feminist from red pill standards is hiring women for a STEM position. What excludes that from having a spine?

Title	Q4RP: Why do think that being a male feminist and having a spine is contradictory?
Author	BiggerDthanYou
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Date	May 26, 2017 2:47 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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