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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not sure porn stars are a very good sample of your average woman.
Also hypergamy just means women date up.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago* (79 children) | Copy Link
The "bisexual girls are sluts" is really true.
Let's take a little break from the discussion to repeat basic facts from Logic 101:
A implication means "if X then Y".
For example "it is raining" implies "the street is wet", but the opposite direction doesn't work. "the street is wet" doesn't imply that it is raining because there could plenty of other sources of water.
From now on I'm using "->" instead of "implies". You can go from A to B if you follow the arrow in A -> B, but you can't go from B to A because the arrow points in the wrong direction.
A -> B ≠ B -> A
You looked at a subset of sluts (pornstars [although you don't even know if they are loyal or promiscuous in real life as well]) and noticed that they are all bisexual (which again is questionable because they get paid to say that they love big cocks, gangbangs and lesbian sex)
So you've got "is a slut" -> "is bisexual", but if you understood logic you would know that you haven't proven "is bisexual" -> "is a slut" at all so far.
So how are we going to take anything you say seriously if you lack basic understanding of logic? You even lack the self awareness to notice what biases you fall victim to.
Don't you think that bisexual women are more common in mainstream porn simply because lesbian scenes are a good entry point in the industry and sell well? Or that just because you don't notice the non-slutty bisexual women doesn't mean that all are slutty?
So a well above average woman is gatekeeper of sex and thus every woman is? What about all the average and below women that have to work hard to even getting noticed by some alpha?
It's really simple: hot people are the gatekeepers of sex
[–]cats_or_get_out 7 points7 points7 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thank you. The logic is flawed.
All mice eat cheese. I eat cheese. ergo, I am a mouse.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
sluts (pornstars [although you don't even know if they are loyal or promiscuous in real life as well])
Read what you just wrote.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link
Yes I know what I wrote.
But seriously du you think that porn stars are the same in real life as they are in front of the camera? Do you think that just because they film cuckold porn that this means that they will cheat on their husband as well? Don't you think that they get paid to act extra slutty?
How would you know if they are loyal or not just because they earned some money by having sex in front of a camera and how would you know how often they have ONS just because they sleep with guys in exchange for money and fame?
Do you also think that action stars are totally badass alphas that regularly beat people up in real life as well?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
It takes a special kind of fucked up for a woman to have sex on camera. Most of them are drug addicts and have to get high so they can let Power McElevenInch jackhammer her in positions no one actually has sex in. So using female pornstars as some sort of benchmark for hypergamy is funny.
And, suggesting that pornstars have what it takes to have a good relationship with one man, despite their careers involving fucking other men on camera and knowing that millions of men fap to it every other day, is kind of precious, really.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
It takes a special kind of fucked up for a woman to have sex on camera
That special kind of fucked up is one reason why women get into porn, but not the only reason.
Sure some are drug addicts that do porn to support their habit, but that doesn't mean that they are all the same.
She could just as easily have a more liberal attitude towards sex and sees it as a good business opportunity and likes acting and being able to engage in BDSM safely.
Explain how this should make her unfit for relationships. You could just as easily say "oh no she's a waitress and has to smile for a hundred guys a day and thus she couldn't ever have a relationship"
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
You're not seriously making this argument, are you?
If you don't know the difference between smiling at a hundred guys a day; and fucking guys on camera, I don't know what to tell you.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I am. Because not everyone is the same as you. Just because you see sex as something special and sacred doesn't mean that everyone does.
Flirting can also be seen as something special so why is flirting because you get paid for it okay but having sex not?
Just think like that. If you were dating a porn star it wouldn't be cheating if she has sex in front of the camera, but if she then has sex with him after work it is cheating. But just she has sex with him in exchange for money doesn't mean that she has no morals and will cheat on you with him afterwards.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Not "sacred". I don't know what that means in this context.
"Special", yeah.
If sex isn't "special", then why can't I get sex with whomever I want? If sex isn't special, then why are women so choosy and picky about who they have sex with? If sex isn't special, then what does who anyone has sex with matter?
If sex isn't special, then no one should have any problem with me or anyone else having sex with whomever they want and not telling their spouses about it. That's not cheating, right? I don't tell my wife about where I go out to eat for lunch at work. So I shouldn't have to tell her about other women I fuck, right? It's all the same, right? Buying food at a restaurant and eating it is no different at all from having sex, right? Not cheating, right?
If sex is no big deal, why are there websites and subreddits and magazines and entire media empires devoted to helping men get more of it; and women get more satisfaction out of it?
This entire line of argument is ridiculous.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Stop trying to find a single solution to every question. The answer isn't if sex is special or if it isn't. The answer is if an individual person in question thinks it is special.
If sex isn't "special", then why can't I get sex with whomever I want?
Basketball isn't special either, but you can't play basketball with everyone you wish, but only with people that want to play with you.
If sex isn't special, then why are women so choosy and picky about who they have sex with?
Let's go back to basketball. It isn't special so why do people want to play with people of roughly the same skill level and with people they get along with?
Or hanging out. It isn't special either so why don't people hang out with people they don't like hanging out with?
If sex isn't special, then what does who anyone has sex with matter?
It doesn't. Or rather it doesn't to everyone. Some might care, others might not just like some might get mad that you play basketball with drug dealers and others wouldn't care who you spent your time with.
Those that think that sex isn't always something special have no problems with whoever you had sex with as long as it wasn't a child.
If sex isn't special, then no one should have any problem with me or anyone else having sex with whomever they want and not telling their spouses about it.
Well you should tell her because of the pregnancy and STD risk.
Shooting heroin or getting tattooed isn't special either, but if you share a needle with someone you should still tell your partner so they can wait with unprotected sex until you've got your test results back.
And well here we are back at "people aren't all the same". Those that don't see sex as something sacred also have less problems with physical cheating, but rather with lying and emotional cheating.
You could have as many ONS as you wish if you looked for a wife that's okay with it.
If basketball is no big deal, why are there websites and subreddits and magazines and entire media empires devoted to helping people get better it, to watch it and to get more satisfaction out of it?
This entire line of argument is ridiculous
It isn't it we consider that different people can have a different set of morals and preferences.
Sure it sounds ridiculous if we assume that all humans are the same, but reality doesn't work like that.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, we are all special snowflakes. We are so unique that the majority of us don't need to drink water or eat food to survive.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I wish you guys would make up your minds about sex.
Based on the arguments presented, sex is either (a) no big deal at all; or (b) the Most Important Thing That Anyone Can Ever Do With Another Person, Ever.
It's either like breathing air, anyone does it and can do it; or it's so important and set apart that any misuse of it at all will cause lifelong trauma.
Which is it?
nah you got rekt.
You can hang out with whoever you want. If not one-on-one then in a group. If not with this particular person, then with someone similar. Not today? Maybe another day.
With sex it's not like that at all. It's not at all similar to basketball. You can play basketball any day, maybe with different people but whatever. Most of people don't have to go through years-long dry spells without playing. Most people don't have finding one partner and committing to him as the only way of playing at all. It's not like that with sex even though everyone wants to have it.
But then how come I can't have it within reasonable amount of time but can find people to play basketball with? In fact, wanna have a wager? I have never played basketball in my life, so I obviously have no experience and suck. (that's since you mentioned something about similar experiences etc). Wanna bet that I can find people to play with within a reasonable amount of time and play a few times a week maybe even every day for some period of time if I want to? Even with different people every now and then if I want to. THere's absolutely no way for me and many men to do that with sex.
Also, how come if I find a person I play basketball with all the time, he won't object if I play basketball with others, but my gf seems to not be okay with an idea of sleeping with someone else. Or my basketball partner wouldn't mind if I invite another person to play with us, but my girlfriend doesn't like the idea?
Because the poster you are adressing is a 10/10 chad and in his world women just throw pussy at him and everyone is having sex with everyone all the time because they are all chads. He doesn't understand how the world works for men who aren't chads.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Then why do the majority of women not have casual sex if you are going to use that argument come on...
Smiling is flirting now? Does that mean that the 70 year old lady I smiled to when she was putting my books in a bag thought i wanted to fuck her?
Dude. No. Doesn't matter that the girl is having sex and getting paid for it. Its still sex. Its still cheating, and if a girl has sex in exchange for money that makes her morals pretty shitty and will probably cheat on the guy.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
if a girl has sex in exchange for money that makes her morals pretty shitty and will probably cheat on the guy
Explain this logic.
How does being a porn star make her a bad immoral person?
It means she sees sex as a tool. Something she uses to get money. Like how attention whores are, but with attention. Sex is not special with a girl if what takes to fuck her is throwing a couple hundreds if she's the cheap's whores variety.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
oh ,seriously, every guy would love to have his girlfriend fuck 5 guys + a day as her career. It would make for an interesting table topic, '' so honey how many 12 inches dicks did you get your assholed filled with today?'
Really.. You are really saying that a woman smiling to a guy is the same as getting fucked in the ass? Lol
oh ,seriously, every guy would love to have his girlfriend fuck 5 guys + a day as her career.
Show me where I claimed this every guy likes this.
It would make for an interesting table topic, '' so honey how many 12 inches dicks did you get your assholed filled with today?'
That is an interesting topic though.
You are really saying that a woman smiling to a guy is the same as getting fucked in the ass? Lol
You still haven't explained how getting fucked in the ass makes her unfit for a relationship, why it makes her unable to stay loyal and why she should be promiscuous in real life.
I can't show you your thoughts..
Very
''so, how much more do you like the super long, thick cocks you fuck over my own?''
Because I don't want a chick who has been fucked by every guy in town. Why would I give her commitment and love in exchange of a worn out pussy that has known more cock than the French army has known victories after Napoleon? I would instead just ask her how much for a fuck and not bother with her for a relationship.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I would instead just ask her how much for a fuck and not bother with her for a relationship.
So you personally wouldn't date her and this makes her objectively bad for relationships in general?
To me and to most guys..there's a reason why escorts aren't honest with their line of work...
[–]Offhisgame0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You seem more than a little sour
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Are you telling me that Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris weren't totally badasses that could beat people up regularly in real life? Lol
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not could; do.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
See.. there you go.. its the same thing. I have a very hard time believing sasha gray is loyal to any guy she dates.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"I have a hard time believing that Schwarzenegger isn't fighting Predators in his free time" or "I have a hard time believing that Michael C Hall isn't a serial killer in real life"
Mr. Schawrzenegger was too busy becoming the world's most attractive man to bother with fighting predators. 6 times Mr. Olympia omfggggggg
[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
cum hoc ergo propter hoc
<So a well above average woman is gatekeeper of sex and thus every woman is? What about all the average and below women that have to work hard to even getting noticed by some alpha?
Average here is non-fat. That's more than enough to attract chad. So what exactly are women working hard at? These chicks are skinny by nature lol..
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If they are skinny by nature than Chad is muscular by nature.
Yes, chad is muscular by nature and tall. What's your point?
[–]super-commenting0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's inductive reasoning rather than deductive.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even when it comes to inductive reasoning TRPs show time after time that they don't know what it really is or how to use it correctly.
[–]darkmoon090 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
I love how you just decided to focus on the last 8 words of his post, going into this speil about implications and what they mean, while largely ignoring the bulk of what his post was addressing: that hypergamy, even at the most casual level, is real and the SMP is lopsided in such a way that even average women can sleep with men who are several SMV points higher than themselves, and that women are ultimately gatekeepers of sex.
What about all the average and below average women that have to work hard to even getting noticed by some alpha?
So you admit women, even the ugly ones, only want alpha men. If they aimed for more beta men then maybe they wouldn't feel so frustrated. There aren't enough Chads to go around.
[–]Uyrr3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (27 children) | Copy Link
able to sleep with men of much higher SMV, and do so.
They are able, but they don't. I've come to the conclusion that Hypergamy in Red Pill's sense doesn't exist.
As I posted about previously, many women are intimidated by guys that are way above their SMV, and they admit it. The whole TRP idea of hypergamy is questionable. Like attracts like. TRP's Hypergamy only exists in one night stands and the college scene, and even then it happens alot less then you think.
another thread talks about this as well. It is more "situational." and the 80/20 rule is overdone.
A pornstar admitting pussy power doesn't mean much. Situations involving sex and chemistry is so complex, and we really dont know what goes on behind closed doors. You also have to take into account the higher SMV man. The higher SMV man will not always take pussy even if its "free." Yes, women are the gatekeepers, and they select men - and are geared to find the best man, but within reason.
Many of the times lower SMV women are intimidated, they sabotage themselves and each other, they get suspicious, they break things off early, they think the higher SMV man is a player, the list goes on and on. They are essentially invisible to higher SMV as well unless the high SMV man approaches. Now is an 8 or a 9 guy gonna feel Ok approaching a 6? Really now? Come on.
Now if shes at a college party drunk, dancing, and Mr. Rugby Beefcake approached her, sure, but I don't see it happening on a regular basis like Red Pill thinks.
Also I'd like to add, everyone is having sex, regardless of SMV level except the bottom feeders. The only difference is that higher SMV women are more motivated to get higher SMV men, and thus get more exposure because they are posting Instagram photos at Wet Republic in Vegas. And - surprise surprise - you're not going to see unattractive people at Wet Republic.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Wrong. I spent Halloween's night with chads and the women threw themselves at them and had sex the same night they met the chads for the first time. Women are not intimidated by men who are chads. They simply lie about it, ''oh no I'm not going after had because we women feel that the guy would never be interested in us for anything else than a quickie blablablabla''
No, I have never approached a 6. But I am open to getting a blowjob from one if she offers it.
[–]Uyrr3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link
I spent Halloween's night with chads and the women threw themselves at them and had sex the same night they met the chads for the first time.
Then you are proving me right. It's Halloween night dude. Its Halloween literally the biggest party night of the year. What do you expect? Halloween is literally a fuckfest.
Hell, even in party settings the Chads are gonna struggle with average girls. Your view is skewed because you are jealous. Period. I've been to one of the biggest party colleges in the nation, and high SMV guys want high SMV girls. It's just the way it is. Average SMV girls are insecure, they get jealous of one another, they sabotage each other. How many times have I seen a girl go "Come on let's goooo to this other party" as her friend is flirting with another guy. College girl Cockblock 101
Hell I've seen lower SMV guys get action through persistence throughout the night. In fact in some ways its better for them, they are less high profile and less intimidating. The girl just goes "eh, fuck it, my friends are letting laid and so am I." Literally lol. It's not that hard to seduce drunk college girls when the situation is right.
Usually what ends up happening is that the high SMV guy pairs up with...yep you guessed it, the high SMV girl. Surprise surprise! And then everyone follows in a domino effect. Everyone pairs up with their relative SMV equal.
Yet she never will because that's not how girls act. You could be SMV 10 super Beefcake Chad football quarterback and you will still have to do the approaching 99% of the time.
And you say you never approached a 6. You implied you arent a Chad. So then what are you? SMV 7? And you say you never approached a 6?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Then you are proving me right. It's Halloween night dude. Its Halloween literally the biggest party night of the year. In a party setting the Chads are the first ones to get pussy. Anything beyond one night stands and hypergamy dies down.
Ah so women are only promiscuous during special occasions. Do they also give out pussy during christmas? I need to ask santa for some..
Dude, its not just halloween. Its everyday. Women throw themselves at chad and then spend the rest of the time pretending htey are moral women, who are only going to give pussy in exchange of a relationship. But all of that pretense, deception and falsehood when Justin Bieber shows up at the door or whatever.
Seen it happen so often. Its rather hilarious. Women cheating on their husbands and boyfriends.
Hell, even in party settings the Chads are gonna struggle with average girls. Your view is skewed because you are jealous.
Yes, I'm jealous. I need to work for it, to talk to hot girls and be a modern charlie chaplin to bang, meanwhile chad just stands there and chicks approach him and fuck him soon. I'm a tad salty over it.
But other than that, it doesn't invalidate what I say at all. Women spend their teens and 20s giving it up easily for chads and making hte other men work for it.
I've been to one of the biggest party colleges in the nation, and high SMV guys want high SMV girls.
High SMV men are more than willing to fuck lower SMV women for casual sex, either because there are few high SMV women, they don't put out easily, or the guys want to have a gurantee fuck so instead of 10/10 girls they go for chicks below that.
Average SMV girls are insecure, they get jealous of one another, they sabotage each other. How many times have I seen a girl go "Come on let's goooo to this other party" as she is flirting with another guy. College girl Cockblock 101
No. They aren't. There's no such thing as insecure women. That's just plot armor that women use to explain why they don't approach men when the truth is that they don't approach men because they only get wet for chad. Funny how every girl's insecurities goes away when Chad enters the room with Brad and Todd.
. How many times have I seen a girl go "Come on let's goooo to this other party" as she is flirting with another guy. College girl Cockblock 101
This I have experienced myself. Girls ruining my chances with other girls by shit-talking about me when there is not even a reason for that. I approached a girl I had no idea had a boyfriend ,got rejected moved on with my life and never spoke to her again. She got mad and went to talk shit about me. Thing is.. she was a 10/10 girl. Crazy ass chicks i tell you.
I have never witnessed this. I have never seen a 5 or a man below that go home with a girl who wasn't 1000 pounds heavy and doing an audiction for the role of Jabba the Hutt.
Usually what ends up happening is that the high SMV guy pairs up with...yep you guessed it, the high SMV girl. Surprise surprise! And then everyone follows in a domino effect.
The problem is that every girl assumes she's of high smv so she is only going to gun out for chad.
Yet she never will because that's not how girls act.
Depends if she's drunk. They gain courage when drunk.
[–]Uyrr1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
Okay, let's take your Classic Reddit Sarcasm(TM) aside here. There is a time and place for promiscuity. You are not going to hit on and get pussy at a Funeral, to use an extreme example. Like any other situation dealing with people, there is a context for it because people are complicated. Life is not a video game where you need to pass all the charisma checks in a scripted convo for you to get to the sex scene.
And then theres men cheating on their wives. It takes two to tango. You say you "see it all the time." Where? Do you work at a divorce court or couples therapy place? Lol.
need to work for it, to talk to hot girls and be a modern charlie chaplin to bang, meanwhile chad just stands there and chicks approach him and fuck him soon. I'm a tad salty over it.
I'll say it again, it's not that simple. At the end of the day, people pair up with their relative SMV equal. Sex requires comfort. Most women are not comfortable banging a guy several notches above them, unless they are in a setting like a college Halloween party where theres rampant sex everywhere and people stop caring who they fuck.
Absolutely true. But its not happening as often as you think.
No. They aren't. There's no such thing as insecure women.
Haha, come on man you can't honestly believe this. If you do, you clearly have little experience with women. Every woman on the planet is insecure. Every single one of them.
This I have experienced myself. Girls ruining my chances with other girls by shit-talking about me when there is not even a reason for that.
See again you take this personally, don't. This shows me you still have alot to learn about women, especially younger girls. Younger girls cockblock each other way more than guys. It's nothing personal, they are catty and cliquey that way. If that happens try to focus her attention. If not, then move on.
You can't honestly say this. I am not saying lower SMV guys get high SMV girls on a regular basis. I am saying that guys that arent Chads can get action from their relative SMV equal through persistence. Everyone wants to be loved man. Especially at a college Halloween party.
I still remember that night. I was at a house party and one of the guys I knew, talk about low SMV, short, but I guess athletic, he has to be around 5'7 - he screwed a decent looking girl RIGHT THERE IN THE BASEMENT IN THE BACK!!! Right there bro. The rest of us went home with nothing. This is a guy that is short, not that good looking, not really buff...I mean you can't make this crap up.
He screwed her right there. We all stood in the hallway in shock as he fucked her in the basement corner behind the pong tables.
Heres the big secret; girls decide before they go out if they want to get fucked. WHO they get fucked by is
A) Who they know
B) Who their friends know
C) Their relative SMV to the men
and finally
D) Your "game" which has the smallest impact of all
PS: This is the best advice you will get for college. And its free. No PUA course from me. Just network and make friends with as many people possible. The people who get the most ass in college are by far Greek organizations. It's more about who you know and your attraction between you and the girl rather than your "game". I hate that term.
They just lose inhibitions and eventually hook up if their friends hook up. It's that simple. Girls are group creatures and follow the crowd.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Okay, let's take your Classic Reddit Sarcasm(TM) aside here.
tips fedora
There is a time and place for promiscuity. You are not going to hit on and get pussy at a Funeral, to use an extreme example.
It works if you are chad.
with people, there is a context for it because people are complicated. Life is not a video game where you need to pass all the charisma checks in a scripted convo for you to get to the sex scene.
Yeah, I noticed. That's why these days all I do is gaming. I built a new computer rig and with the exception of going out with my friends for halloween because I was dragged out i really don't bother interacting with women.
This is what I love about video games. I put in the work, I get the reward. In real life, with girls, I might put all of the work in the world and still not get anything in return, so its better to not try.
Because the wives deny them sex.
No, I just happen to be in a social group with chads. It enables me to see how women really are. I usually get chad's leftovers. Chad meets the girl for the first time and by the end of the night they're banging. The same women, make me work for it by making me chase after them for a couple of weeks. It makes me feel inadequate.
Only for marriages and relationships. For casual sex women hook-up above and not to their level or below. I have never seen my friends pick-up a girl. Not unless the friend who was doing it was a chad, and more often than not the girl he's picking he's several points below his league. The red pillers even say a man should have an easier time getting casual sex from a girl who is 3 points below his league, which means women have no problem being intimidated with men above their level of looks.
its happening often enough for us non-chads having to go home to our hands.
No, no. That's what they want you to believe. They all claim to be insecure, even the super hot ones. They do it for a reason. It makes them look vulnerable. That alone is going to make men provide attention, resources, money and gifts to make the girl feel better about herself.
They also use the insecure excuse as to justify why they spent their teens and 20s being pumped and dumped by chad.
They never did enjoy the sex they had with the brad pitt clone after all!
Wrong. Women have less of a sex drive. They aren't horny like most young men are most of the time. They don't consume nearly half the same amount of porn young men consume. Most women would never have casual sex with a decent looking guy for the sake of having sex for pleasure.
men have to compete with each other to get ANY sort of female attention. Women only have to compete amongst themselves for the Kings of Chads.
. Younger girls cockblock each other way more than guys. It's nothing personal, they are catty and cliquey that way. If that happens try to focus her attention. If not, then move on.
You know what pissed me off wasn't the rejection in itself. I moved on. I flirted with her, made a move and she indirectly said she had a bf so I stopped talking to her. What pissed me off was how she shot down the chances I had with any girl in that social circle by making shit up about me. Wow. Women are really shitty human beings.
A 5'7'' guy fucked a non-fat chick? Surely he must have a face like a young tom cruise and a body like a greek god, no? That's the only way I'm seeing a midget having sex with a non-fat woman.
This is a guy that is short, not that good looking, not really buff...I mean you can't make this crap up.
Miracles do happen. But its pointless to approach women if you are short and don't look like a mini male model, and even then I'm sure those guys have to lower their standards quite a bit.
Heres the big secret; girls decide before they go out if they want to get fucked. WHO they get fucked by is A) Who they know B) Who their friends know C) Their relative SMV to the men and finally D) Your "game" which has the smallest impact of all Depends if she's drunk. They gain courage when drunk. They just lose inhibitions and eventually hook up if their friends hook up. It's that simple. Girls are group creatures and follow the crowd.
Possibly.
[–]Uyrr1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok this will be my last response as I gotta get back to work.
In real life, with girls, I might put all of the work in the world and still not get anything in return, so its better to not try.
You need to try. I didn't try for most of my college years and I still regret it to this day (28 now). Trust me man, I know how it feels. It sucks. I've been there.
Oh BTW, go to the gym, your T is low. I can tell. Low T is the worst and affects you in many bad bad bad ways.
I just happen to be in a social group with chads
Fantastic. Great. This gives you even less of an excuse because they probably have lots of social connections and know girls. I'd rather be the lowest on the totem pole with a group of Chads then the highest guy on the neckbeards.
Women are humans. Humans sleep around. Not all humans do, but some do. Surprise! Yeah, sure some of your Chad friends might be fucking average looking girls but I bet they dont do it on a regular basis, unless it is a college party setting. Otherwise, again, Hypergamy is an over-the-top red pill dogma.
The red pillers even say a man should have an easier time getting casual sex from a girl who is 3 points below his league, which means women have no problem being intimidated with men above their level of looks.
The Red Pills are right in certain areas and wrong in others. They are wrong in this context. Girls that are desperate and/or extremely horny will screw a guy several notches above her in a party setting....but will also screw guys her level, or even below, if she's desperate enough. The more desperate she is, the easier she is to seduce. But for the most part, it doesnt happen, people pair up with their SMV equals. Even for casual sex.
Yes for casual sex women will opt for the Chad if they got the chance. But even then it is not a clear cut thing. Maybe the Chad feels embarrassed that he's hooking up with a 6 with a flat chest. Maybe the girl doesn't want to appear like a slut to her friends. Or she's intimidated he's a player, he might be too pushy which turns her off. It's complicated.
No, no. That's what they want you to believe. They all claim to be insecure, even the super hot ones.
They are so insecure there is an entire huge industry that revolves around improving their appearance - Makeup. You need more experience with women and you will see women are BASKET CASES!
Wrong. Women have less of a sex drive.
If they have a weaker sex drive then why are they hooking up with Chads? The weak sex drive is a myth. They are just as horny as men.
Most women would never have casual sex with a decent looking guy for the sake of having sex for pleasure.
I have seen this so many times in college bro. That's exactly what happened.
Women are really shitty human beings.
She is not obligated to have sex with you. Find a girl that is equal or slightly lower than your SMV and flirt with her. If she made shit up abou you, you must have really creeped her out. I blame you reading too much Red Pill nonsense. You were most likely way too aggressive.
The bottom line is that if girls are going out to get fucked, they all want to get fucked, and already have an idea of who they want to hook up with. The highest SMV girls go for the highest SMV guys, and so on. Girls will pair up unless they cant find a suitable guy or she gets weirded out somehow.
People know their worth. They know where they stand on the totem pole for SMV and women are more aware of it then men.
I see you are upset. I've been there, I've seen Chads take the hot girls. There is always going to be a bigger fish. Its a fact of life.
But theres good news. Men have a higher range of SMV. What I mean by that, is that you can improve yourself for a higher SMV. Start working out, play less video games, raise your T. You're probably suffering from low T. It's a big deal. And stop reading Redpill for god sakes. They are correct about Feminism/politics/social issues but mostly clueless about flirting.
Flirting is very simple, especially in college party settings. You should know within 60 seconds if a girl is interested in you. Thats probably why you weirded her out, you were too aggressive. Le sigh.
Watch your next party and observe how people interact. You'll notice something. Watch the people who hook up and their SMV levels and honestly come back and tell me its all Chads hooking up with average girls. Thats a load of BS.
The people that hook up the soonest most likely already know each other. Surprised? You shouldn't be. The smartest guys build rapport outside of the party, so all they have to do is get her drunk, dance with her a bit and the deal is sealed.
The later hookups are usually people who didn't know each other.
In a college party you should engage each girl you find attractive and matches (or slightly lower) than your SMV for 60 seconds and see if she is interested and look for IOI's. If she is, you're set. If she isn't, move on. That simple.
Therapy dismissed. Now go out and get some pussy. Better yet, build something with her. Don't pump and dump. Pump and dump is for schmucks.
This is coming from someone who went from an innocent sheltered only child who got next to no action his first 3 years of college to hooking up every single weekend his senior year for like 2 months straight.
[–]Reed_49830 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How can you tell from an online conversation whose "T" is low?
[–]aznphenix0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I put in the work, I get the reward.
Until they decide to take away the reward right before you can get it :<
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are you talking about league of legends? :D
Never will? even on the halloween night? I thought you agreed that it's a fuckfest and weren't surprised that girls approached chads.
[–]TheSandbergPrincipleMuh Soggy Knees0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
As I posted about previously, many women are intimidated by guys that are way above their SMV, and they admit it. The whole TRP idea of hypergamy is questionable. Like attracts like.
Bullshit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5ag3w8/re_women_assessing_sexual_partners_actually_they/
Somehow i doubt all the cheating ass hoes who blow/fuck male strippers before their wedding are near the same smv as the male strippers they blow/fuck.
[–]Uyrr1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
That's in the context of a bachelorrete party where male strippers are paid to fuck. In fact guys that become male strippers do that for that specific purpose - to bang as many women as possible.
???
You don't see Plain Jane going out with Beefcake Jason. It's just not going to happen. Only in a wild party context would you see that happening. And even then it doesnt happen that often that TRP makes it out to be.
[–]TheSandbergPrincipleMuh Soggy Knees0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
They aren't paid to fuck, they are paid to dance around for the ladies, just like female strippers are.
The difference is, you're not allowed to even touch female strippers while almost brides to be are going to be blowing/fucking the male strippers.
[–]Uyrr1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Bro, let's be real here. They are paid to fuck lol. Who are we kidding.
Oh and there are plenty of female strippers that fuck on the side as well.
[–]TheSandbergPrincipleMuh Soggy Knees0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Whatever it is, it disprove your theory that women are 'intimidated' by dudes who are way above their SMV, and not even the vows of marriage will stop that.
[–]Uyrr1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
It doesnt disprove anything lol. If women go out and get drunk at a college party there is nothing stopping them from fucking Brad the Beefcake, sure. In certain contexts hypergamy exists.
But in others, it doesnt. Besides one night stands and short hookups, hypergamy doesnt really exist like TRP says. And even then, the situation has to be right. She has to be the best option that presents itself to Brad. If Brad finds theres a higher SMV girl he can go with, he will go with her.
The reality is - people in general hook up with their equal SMV. It is uncomfortable for the woman, even being hit on by a really hot dude means that alot of times he will have to break down her "bitch shield" because she's suspicious of him in the first place. And then the dude himself has to be OK fucking a landwhale or whatever. The whole idea of Brad the Beefcake walking around like a God and instantly seducing all women is a total myth and fantasy. People know their value. Hypergamy doesnt happen on a regular basis. It's a myth.
Look at the instagram's and facebook's of the Chads in your life. Can you honestly sit there and tell me with a straight face that there are a ton of photos of them with average looking girls? I'm talking about the beefcakes that go to Wet Republic and Rehab. The answer is no, they don't.
[–]TheSandbergPrincipleMuh Soggy Knees0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Look at the instagram's and facebook's of the Chads in your life. Can you honestly sit there and tell me with a straight face that there are a ton of photos of them with average looking girls?
Yes? The bodybuilding forum has done multiple experiments where they find some fat ugly woman's photo, created a fake profile on a dating site with said photo, and gotten tons of replies from average/above average dudes msging her. Of course Chads will fuck average chicks, as long as he doesn't have to pay attention to her, spend money on her, etc.
Yes, he did. He admitted that women are only interested in chads, including the average and below average men. That's the whole point of his baskteball post. Most men want to play, but women only want to get fucked by chads.
[–]HigHog6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago* (26 children) | Copy Link
What is this?
[–]ThrowawayCactus60121 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Just out of curiosity, this seems like such a minor, unimportant point, not directly related to the OP's main topic, and yet, you ask for a source? Is this some kind of controversial issue for you, that there may or may not be any heterosexual female pornstars?
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[–]ThrowawayCactus60121 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I just took it more as a tongue-in-cheek remark about the porn industry and those who work in it. The OP just mentioned that every porn star interviewed for that series of articles was bisexual, so it makes one wonder why they couldn't find at least one straight heterosexual female who works in porn.
It's kind of like "Famous Jewish Sports Legends." Sure, they exist, but they're so rare that people make jokes about it.
[–]shoup88Report me bitch4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because no porn star worth her salt is going to give an interview where she says she's never or rarely attracted to the people she's having sex with on camera. Saying they're bi is part of the fantasy.
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[–]shoup88Report me bitch3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
The interviews from adultDVDtalk.com? These are advertisements - they say what the audience wants to hear.
[–]shoup88Report me bitch4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I read the one you linked - she calls herself a "straight nympho", talks about how much she loves older men and getting called a worthless slut, doesn't care about dick size, and she's in porn because she just loves sex so much!
You have to be incredibly naive to think those comments aren't designed to be appealing to the reader. AdultDVDtalk is sponsored by the porn companies - it's marketing synergy at it's finest.
It's part of her shtick. It's like when Taylor Swift gives interviews about how much she loves baking cookies and hanging out in sweatpants - it's part of an image.
Out of curiosity, which two porn stars said they didn't have sex with women before entering porn?
[–]shoup88Report me bitch2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I used to be skeptical that these types of women existed
I believe they exist, just like I believe some women enjoy baking cookies. That doesn't change the fact that these are women selling a specific image to their audience. Any time you read an interview with someone who is selling something (in this case, their own image and performance), you should approach with a little skepticism.
I recommend you read entire user history of Reddit user "ChelseaLuvs." Then get back to me.
This is more homework than I even did in university. But giving it a brief glance, I'm not sure what your point is. Of course some women are like that.
Alexa Tomas says almost immediately she was with a girl when she was 13. Jelena Jensen says she loves being with women, she just doesn't shoot hardcore scenes. And believe me, both of these interviews are advertisements - they're selling themselves.
[–]shoup88Report me bitch4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Tomas says, and I quote, "That's why I love shooting softcore, I get to play with boobs, I get to make out with girls", "I was promiscuous and slept with a lot of people", also "I am for sure bisexual". I think your reading comprehension could use a check.
She also talks about doing scenes with women who are gay-for-pay, so hetero lady porn stars definitely exist.
Look, I get it - fantasies are fun. You don't want to watch a scene where you know the girl is faking it. It's better to just believe what they say at face value. But these interviews are not data - they're ads.
[–]shoup88Report me bitch3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but no one is going to make up a backstory about how they slept with scores of their female friends.
Oh bless your heart.
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[–]shoup88Report me bitch2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But she said she loves having any and all kinds of sex, no matter how old the guy is or his dick size!! Why would she lie, especially on a sponsored website??
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[–]MisgenderedCactusEgalitarian, Pro-MGTOW, FtM Transgender, Atheist4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Does anyone still deny that hypergamy - women are the gate-keepers of sex - is real?
I thought the definition of hypergamy was just the act of marrying or dating someone of a higher social status/attractiveness than yourself plus the willingness to leave said partner if a higher prospect comes along within your reach? I don't deny that this exists, only that not everyone born with XX chromosomes does it. There are the concepts of "contentment" and "loyalty", y'know.
Regardless, I do not believe women are necessarily the gatekeepers of sex in a relationship. It is whoever has the lower libido that controls when the sex happens, not just the person with the vagina.
...thus women are able to sleep with men of much higher SMV, and do so.
"Can" does not always mean "do". Some of us have lovers/sex partners with a lower SMV or equal SMV.
Edited to add:
Just saw your "bisexual girls are sluts" assertion. Uh, no? Being bi doesn’t make a person a slut, having a large N does. I've made out with 2 women, and had sex with 1 man. Damn, I'm such a slut with my 1 N, lol. Men and women are individuals, not simply "like that" because they fit into a particular category.
[–]ThrowawayCactus60121 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't deny that this exists, only that not everyone born with XX chromosomes does it. There are the concepts of "contentment" and "loyalty", y'know.
I don't believe everyone does it either, although I think the main complaint about that is that women often can do it and get away with it more easily, and even get encouragement and support from mainstream society when they do. The legal mechanism is in place to allow this to happen, so from a man's point of view, he's gambling on his wife's sense of "contentment" and "loyalty." That requires a great deal of trust. It's a sad comment on our society today that marriage vows (along with oaths to uphold the Constitution) are not viewed as sacrosanct as they once were.
I see you're a Cactus, just like me. ;)
[–]wub12342 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s sad that it’s so true. To be honest, I don’t understand it.
You don't understand it? You say immediately after this that men want it more than women. You said previously that women are harder to get. You also said that you would never approach a woman, but women are free to approach you.
Ever heard of putting two and two together?
[–]shoup88Report me bitch2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought hypergamy meant that women will easily and quickly jump from one mate to the other - hoes ain't loyal. That's totally different from women being the gatekeepers of sex.
I agree with the latter but not the former.
[–]KillYourWives2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link
My wife is very aware of the fact that, in spite of the pounds and years she's put on, if she went out tonight with a touch of make up on, she could swiftly have some poor fool thrusting away at her. You should see the amount of time she spends getting ready for her girls' nights out. Certainly more than she ever spends sprucing herself up before allowing me to have sex with her.
Hell, at this point I'd be surprised to learn she HASN'T bumped uglies with some rando from the club. All on my dime, of course.
If I went out tonight looking to get laid I'd need to be packing a few hundred, most likely.
[–]Truecelacct5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (53 children) | Copy Link
Just noticed your username. If you're that unhappy, what is stopping you from getting a divorce, getting on some dating sites, and finding someone who you find more attractive or who is less likely to cheat on you or whatever?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (52 children) | Copy Link
Because he's not a chad and therefore the chances of him ever getting a woman to sleep with him who isn't 500 pounds doing it for free are nonexistent.
[–]Truecelacct5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link
So his wife is doing him a favor by staying with him? Since she could easily upgrade because there's such a lack of women available to most men?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (50 children) | Copy Link
Yes, his wife is doing him a favor. he's paying out of his eyes to maintain the wife but its better than going to professional hookers.
Since she could easily upgrade because there's such a lack of women available to most men?
Yes, indeed. She has the upper-hand because women have it much easier in getting partners compared to men. There's a reason why guys guard-mate every girlfriend they have. Pussy is hard to get for most men.
[–]Truecelacct4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (49 children) | Copy Link
Hm. You would think men would try harder to stay in shape and take their wives on dates and just in general be better husbands since women have so many options. I feel like a lot of married men who post here at least seem to feel some sort of resentment towards their wife for aging or not doing things for them.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link
Hm. You would think men would try harder to stay in shape
its not about being in shape.. its about being 6'6'' and having a body build like the men from Sparta and having a face like Brad Pitt and a dick like a porn star.. i'm pretty sure his wife is fucking random chads in nightclubs while he's the one paying the bills and being her emotional tampon.. its just how it is.
on dates and just in general be better husbands since women have so many options.
What I find baffling is why guys get married at all. Oh, I know, its the only way for them to get pussy, but don't they stop and think that the price might be too steep?
I feel like a lot of married men who post here at least seem to feel some sort of resentment towards their wife for aging or not doing things for them.
Guys do ressent the fact that their wives spent their youth fucking chads and now see these guys as beta bux providers, yeah, therefore aren't motivated to have sex with them, yeah.
[–]Truecelacct2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link
But you can attain an attractive body.... you can take your wife on dates or do whatever she's into.
But most guys don't even keep up the same standard as when they were dating. It's supposed to get better not worse.
So why don't more men get into great shape and treat their wives really great if they want more sex? Wouldn't that just make logical sense?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link
But you can attain an attractive body...
You honestly believe a grown-ass man has the time to eat 7 meals a day and to work several hours a day or whatever? What about the ones who are sadly not genetically prone to be muscular?
I agree with you. That's why I went and become a 28 year old Brad Pitt. it was only the logical thing to do.
[–]Truecelacct2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link
Okay but how many of them even work out 3 times a week? Or even try to kewl prep and diet? I've posted the source before, but 75% of men over 45 are overweight.
How many of them even try to plan a weekly date night?
So how do you explain that? Are their sex drives just not strong enough to make them put in effort to be attractive?
No, they wouldn't. That same woman would sleep with some guy without putting it that effort. No man wants to overpay and feel like a chump.
well I agree with everything that you said but your username scares me :o
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[–]hraefin0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Another point is societal standards. When men have sex with women, their value goes up. When women have sex with men, their value goes down.
[–]mistixsPink Pill Woman1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just because many pornstars are bisexual doesn't mean that bisexual girls are sluts in general.
I'm bisexual and I'm voluntarily celibate. I don't have sex. By choice.
& I don't know why she's saying that pussy power is "sad". I think it's awesome
By the way can someone copy & paste just the text from the link here? I want to read it but I see that it's full of nude photos and I'm in public.
[–]tenmileswidePurple Unicorn0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Cadence: It’s sad that it’s so true. To be honest, I don’t understand it. I don’t get it. Sex is sex. Of course, everybody wants it but guys want it more. Pussy power is because we run the show and decide whether you get it or not.
While this is true, it's only true because men allow it to be true.
Mastering your desire for sex means this power over you disappears.
While I don't advocate that men become sexless eunuchs, the less you keep your sexual desire in check beyond a healthy level, the more you are ruled by it.
Saying "oh, well, I'm a guy and it's natural for me to have a higher sex drive", again, while true, is just a cop out if that's all you have to fall back on.
Buddhism has a lot to say on this subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%E1%B9%87h%C4%81
Though I will admit mastering this desire gets easier with age and experience.
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[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The girl is attractive and young. 95% of women are not those two things. Men fuck fertile women who have healthy kids. Wait until she is 50, fat with bad skin and see if she still talks about pussy power. In the 80 year lifespan of a woman, a post pubescent woman has about ten peak years. Then twenty years of decline. Then thirty of being mostly invisible.
More than that, she can get sex easily but that doesn't mean that is all women want.
This isn't really related to hypergamy.
basically any guy is going to sleep with me if I want them to.
Not guys in committed relationships, which is a lot of people, right? Isnt that like 30-50% of society at any given time?
[–]wub1234-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
Most women are bisexual. Some claim that all women are either gay or bisexual.
[–]Truecelacct0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
How is this even an actual claim haha. If this were true, why do the huge majority get married or have ltr with men? We wouldn't need to, we have ivf and 40% of women make more money than their guy anyway.
[–]wub12341 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
I don't endorse that claim, but it is quite clear that a very high percentage of women are bisexual.
The study, led by Dr Gerulf Rieger from the Department of Psychology at the University of Essex, involved 345 women whose responses to being shown videos of naked men and women were analysed. The results, which were based on elements such as whether their pupils dilated in response to sexual stimuli, showed that 82% of the women tested were aroused by both sexes. Meanwhile of the women who identified as straight, 74% were strongly sexually aroused by videos of both attractive men and attractive women.
The study, led by Dr Gerulf Rieger from the Department of Psychology at the University of Essex, involved 345 women whose responses to being shown videos of naked men and women were analysed.
The results, which were based on elements such as whether their pupils dilated in response to sexual stimuli, showed that 82% of the women tested were aroused by both sexes.
Meanwhile of the women who identified as straight, 74% were strongly sexually aroused by videos of both attractive men and attractive women.
Women are more likely to be bisexual than men
A 2011 study from Boise State University found 60 percent of heterosexual women admitted to being attracted to other women, while 45 percent had kissed another woman. Fifty percent of those participants also reported same-sex sexual fantasies.
[–]Truecelacct3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Sooo basically the researchers said "even though you say you're straight, your pupils dilated so you are bisexual you just don't know it yet". That's obviously not how you do a scientific study, you can't just extrapolate data like that. You can be attracted to naked people but not actually want to fuck their genitalia lol
Again, if this were true our society would look much different. Can you imagine if a huge proportion of women were gay? We would see much more lesbian marriages. As it is, it is about the same as gay marriages. Your data just doesn't line up with reality.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
My dick doesn't get hard if I watch hot gay men having sex.
Women get wet watching hot girls having sex.
I mean..
[–]Truecelacct2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Women are constantly self lubricating.... wetness doesn't mean they are turned on. It's more common for women to be wet for no reason than for men to get boners for no reason.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There's more than that.. I think I'm going to take the word of scientists over your own..
[–]Truecelacct2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Haha I mean you can google it, but I'm a woman I'm kind of an expert on this stuff lol
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you know everything about the female body because you are a woman? o.o
[–]Truecelacct2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. I know how vaginas work having had one for the last 22 years! We stay lubricated constantly. Every single day when I take of my undies at night there is white gunk in them. Every day. Regardless of how many hot babes I see ;)
[–]wub12340 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
As I said, I don't necessarily endorse that study or its conclusions, but in other studies women have stated that they've either fantasised about women, or engaged in physical conduct with women in very large numbers.
There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that far, far more women can be attracted to other women than men be attracted to men.
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bisexual men just need a few more beer before they admit it then women simply because homosexuality in men is still seen as weak and bad. And because society as whole doesn't believe that bisexuality exists.
A bi woman can have sex with another woman without problems, but a bi guy will forever be seen as 100% gay so it's easier to just stay in the closet.
[–]wub12340 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've been out drinking with guys on dozens of occasions. Never once has there been the slightest suggestion that anyone was attracted to one another.
I've seen girls getting flirty, sexy, making out with each other when I've been out. I've had threesomes myself. I've met several women who find other women attractive.
There is absolutely no chance that there are as many bisexual men as women. Absolutely no chance.
I'm not saying that the numbers are exactly the same, just that a bisexual guy is way more likely to stay in the closet.
You don't think the fact that society considers lesbians "hot" and gay men "gross" affects the study? After all, how many men would be honest if they had fantasizes about other men? Especially if the researchers are equating that to being gay, most men would not feel comfortable admitting to that.
[–]wub12340 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If you look it up, even in percentage terms very few women will concede that they are bisexual. I knew a woman, who I described as bisexual once, and she denied it. And I thought "but I've seen you get off with another woman!".
But yet they do feel attracted to women and get physical with them. Why is that? It's because female sexuality is more amorphous and therefore it is far more likely that women will be bisexual, regardless of any social factors.
[–]Truecelacct2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Having sex with someone of the same gender doesn't automatically make you attracted to that gender..... for one thing, maybe you just like that person, but not necessarily their genitalia.
But again, women are often encouraged to find other women sexually attractive. Women who are 100% straight will mess around with other women simply because guys find it hot and they want to please their boyfriend or whatever.
Have you ever heard of experimenting? Trying something doesn't mean you like it. Again, women are encouraged to experiment with other women, men are encouraged to not even hug other men because it might be gay.
Tldr: our society encourages lesbianism, not male homosexuality. It's very common for straight women to have lesbian experiences and gay men to not have any gay experiences because of the stigma our society puts on both.
[–]wub12340 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I agree that plays a part. However, it's not enough to explain the massive disparity.
Also, look at the figures, a very high percentage of women say that they have FELT ATTRACTED to another woman. Not tried it to please someone.
After all, how many men would be honest if they had fantasizes about other men?
I don't have fantasies about other men. What would I be honest about??
Um yes you can. Lesbian marriages and all that are social things.
If a man gets hard for both men and women, he is bisexual whether he knows it or not and whether there're more gay marriages or not.
Now the only thing is I'm not sure pupils are related to sexual arousal much, but if there are studies showing this, then it's all good and right (I imagine there are studies showing that, otherwise the paper we're discussing wouldn't be published. Then again, idk, it's not a science).
Aren't there studies that show women got physically aroused watching monkeys bone? Do you think that means women are all into bestiality, as well?
I have never got aroused watching the random dog shag another dog.. what does that say about women..
[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm no scientist, I couldn't comment.
yeah..
[–]VermiciousKnidzz 2 points2 points2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
i feel like the majority of gay men, especially in the US, are married with children and in the closet
i suspect that its more acceptable in society for women to be bisexual and lesbian so its more reported
[–]Truecelacct0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's because it's acceptable for women to be gay. Women are even encouraged to have lesbian experiences. Gay men on the other hand are considered gross. They are much more likely to stay in the closet and 100% heterosexual women are much more likely to have lesbian experiences.
Edit: sorry just read your response more carefully, I agree :)
[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
bisexual ≠ biromantical
[–]Truecelacct1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I realize that, but I don't think the majority of women are sexually attracted women, but not romantically. I think it is much more likely that it is more socially acceptable (even encouraged sometimes) for women to find other women attractive. It's not organic or biological.
Because women want to have babies and they need a dick for that to happen.. or they want a second paycheck and how many women are going to be the beta providers of other women? O.o
[–]Truecelacct1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Again, 40% of the time women make more than their husbands. Why would they waste their resources on him? And you don't need a man to have a baby.
Because those women are married to chads and don't mind being married to a useless dude. Seen it happen often. Doctors and dentists married to guys who were too lazy to even register for unemployment..
[–]Truecelacct1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I mean... I'm going to be a doctor and I want a SAHD for a husband. Women can want trophy husbands too haha. Why would he register for unemployment if he's married to someone making 6 figures??
But I don't see what that has to do with women not being gay.....?
Women can have babies with or without men. If women were gay, they probably wouldn't be married to a man.
I admire you for revealing to the world how women are hypergamous and are buying trophy husbands. We need more frank women like you.
[–]Truecelacct1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ha thanks. I think everyone is hypergamous! Who doesn't want to marry someone hot and awesome? And I want my husband to think I'm "too good" for him and I will think he's too good for me :) I just think that's love ha no one wants to marry someone and think "eh she's alright I could probably do better" and no one wants to be married to someone who thinks that about them.
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Most women are bisexual being lesbian most of the time, and only being into guys when the guys are chads.
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