Calling All Hypergamy Denialists

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The "bisexual girls are sluts" is really true.

Let's take a little break from the discussion to repeat basic facts from Logic 101:

Implications

A implication means "if X then Y".

For example "it is raining" implies "the street is wet", but the opposite direction doesn't work. "the street is wet" doesn't imply that it is raining because there could plenty of other sources of water.

From now on I'm using "->" instead of "implies". You can go from A to B if you follow the arrow in A -> B, but you can't go from B to A because the arrow points in the wrong direction.

A -> B ≠ B -> A

You looked at a subset of sluts (pornstars [although you don't even know if they are loyal or promiscuous in real life as well]) and noticed that they are all bisexual (which again is questionable because they get paid to say that they love big cocks, gangbangs and lesbian sex)

So you've got "is a slut" -> "is bisexual", but if you understood logic you would know that you haven't proven "is bisexual" -> "is a slut" at all so far.

So how are we going to take anything you say seriously if you lack basic understanding of logic? You even lack the self awareness to notice what biases you fall victim to.

Don't you think that bisexual women are more common in mainstream porn simply because lesbian scenes are a good entry point in the industry and sell well? Or that just because you don't notice the non-slutty bisexual women doesn't mean that all are slutty?

So a well above average woman is gatekeeper of sex and thus every woman is? What about all the average and below women that have to work hard to even getting noticed by some alpha?

It's really simple: hot people are the gatekeepers of sex

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It takes a special kind of fucked up for a woman to have sex on camera

That special kind of fucked up is one reason why women get into porn, but not the only reason.

Sure some are drug addicts that do porn to support their habit, but that doesn't mean that they are all the same.

She could just as easily have a more liberal attitude towards sex and sees it as a good business opportunity and likes acting and being able to engage in BDSM safely.

And, suggesting that pornstars have what it takes to have a good relationship with one man, despite their careers involving fucking other men on camera and knowing that millions of men fap to it every other day, is kind of precious, really.

Explain how this should make her unfit for relationships. You could just as easily say "oh no she's a waitress and has to smile for a hundred guys a day and thus she couldn't ever have a relationship"

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Not "sacred". I don't know what that means in this context.

"Special", yeah.

If sex isn't "special", then why can't I get sex with whomever I want? If sex isn't special, then why are women so choosy and picky about who they have sex with? If sex isn't special, then what does who anyone has sex with matter?

If sex isn't special, then no one should have any problem with me or anyone else having sex with whomever they want and not telling their spouses about it. That's not cheating, right? I don't tell my wife about where I go out to eat for lunch at work. So I shouldn't have to tell her about other women I fuck, right? It's all the same, right? Buying food at a restaurant and eating it is no different at all from having sex, right? Not cheating, right?

If sex is no big deal, why are there websites and subreddits and magazines and entire media empires devoted to helping men get more of it; and women get more satisfaction out of it?

This entire line of argument is ridiculous.

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Stop trying to find a single solution to every question. The answer isn't if sex is special or if it isn't. The answer is if an individual person in question thinks it is special.

If sex isn't "special", then why can't I get sex with whomever I want?

Basketball isn't special either, but you can't play basketball with everyone you wish, but only with people that want to play with you.

If sex isn't special, then why are women so choosy and picky about who they have sex with?

Let's go back to basketball. It isn't special so why do people want to play with people of roughly the same skill level and with people they get along with?

Or hanging out. It isn't special either so why don't people hang out with people they don't like hanging out with?

If sex isn't special, then what does who anyone has sex with matter?

It doesn't. Or rather it doesn't to everyone. Some might care, others might not just like some might get mad that you play basketball with drug dealers and others wouldn't care who you spent your time with.

Those that think that sex isn't always something special have no problems with whoever you had sex with as long as it wasn't a child.

If sex isn't special, then no one should have any problem with me or anyone else having sex with whomever they want and not telling their spouses about it.

Well you should tell her because of the pregnancy and STD risk.

Shooting heroin or getting tattooed isn't special either, but if you share a needle with someone you should still tell your partner so they can wait with unprotected sex until you've got your test results back.

And well here we are back at "people aren't all the same". Those that don't see sex as something sacred also have less problems with physical cheating, but rather with lying and emotional cheating.

You could have as many ONS as you wish if you looked for a wife that's okay with it.

If sex is no big deal, why are there websites and subreddits and magazines and entire media empires devoted to helping men get more of it; and women get more satisfaction out of it?

If basketball is no big deal, why are there websites and subreddits and magazines and entire media empires devoted to helping people get better it, to watch it and to get more satisfaction out of it?

This entire line of argument is ridiculous

It isn't it we consider that different people can have a different set of morals and preferences.

Sure it sounds ridiculous if we assume that all humans are the same, but reality doesn't work like that.

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nah you got rekt.

You can hang out with whoever you want. If not one-on-one then in a group. If not with this particular person, then with someone similar. Not today? Maybe another day.

With sex it's not like that at all. It's not at all similar to basketball. You can play basketball any day, maybe with different people but whatever. Most of people don't have to go through years-long dry spells without playing. Most people don't have finding one partner and committing to him as the only way of playing at all. It's not like that with sex even though everyone wants to have it.

But then how come I can't have it within reasonable amount of time but can find people to play basketball with? In fact, wanna have a wager? I have never played basketball in my life, so I obviously have no experience and suck. (that's since you mentioned something about similar experiences etc). Wanna bet that I can find people to play with within a reasonable amount of time and play a few times a week maybe even every day for some period of time if I want to? Even with different people every now and then if I want to. THere's absolutely no way for me and many men to do that with sex.

Also, how come if I find a person I play basketball with all the time, he won't object if I play basketball with others, but my gf seems to not be okay with an idea of sleeping with someone else. Or my basketball partner wouldn't mind if I invite another person to play with us, but my girlfriend doesn't like the idea?

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I am. Because not everyone is the same as you. Just because you see sex as something special and sacred doesn't mean that everyone does.

Then why do the majority of women not have casual sex if you are going to use that argument come on...

Flirting can also be seen as something special so why is flirting because you get paid for it okay but having sex not?

Smiling is flirting now? Does that mean that the 70 year old lady I smiled to when she was putting my books in a bag thought i wanted to fuck her?

Just think like that. If you were dating a porn star it wouldn't be cheating if she has sex in front of the camera, but if she then has sex with him after work it is cheating. But just she has sex with him in exchange for money doesn't mean that she has no morals and will cheat on you with him afterwards.

Dude. No. Doesn't matter that the girl is having sex and getting paid for it. Its still sex. Its still cheating, and if a girl has sex in exchange for money that makes her morals pretty shitty and will probably cheat on the guy.

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able to sleep with men of much higher SMV, and do so.

They are able, but they don't. I've come to the conclusion that Hypergamy in Red Pill's sense doesn't exist.

As I posted about previously, many women are intimidated by guys that are way above their SMV, and they admit it. The whole TRP idea of hypergamy is questionable. Like attracts like. TRP's Hypergamy only exists in one night stands and the college scene, and even then it happens alot less then you think.

another thread talks about this as well. It is more "situational." and the 80/20 rule is overdone.

A pornstar admitting pussy power doesn't mean much. Situations involving sex and chemistry is so complex, and we really dont know what goes on behind closed doors. You also have to take into account the higher SMV man. The higher SMV man will not always take pussy even if its "free." Yes, women are the gatekeepers, and they select men - and are geared to find the best man, but within reason.

Many of the times lower SMV women are intimidated, they sabotage themselves and each other, they get suspicious, they break things off early, they think the higher SMV man is a player, the list goes on and on. They are essentially invisible to higher SMV as well unless the high SMV man approaches. Now is an 8 or a 9 guy gonna feel Ok approaching a 6? Really now? Come on.

Now if shes at a college party drunk, dancing, and Mr. Rugby Beefcake approached her, sure, but I don't see it happening on a regular basis like Red Pill thinks.

Also I'd like to add, everyone is having sex, regardless of SMV level except the bottom feeders. The only difference is that higher SMV women are more motivated to get higher SMV men, and thus get more exposure because they are posting Instagram photos at Wet Republic in Vegas. And - surprise surprise - you're not going to see unattractive people at Wet Republic.

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As I posted about previously, many women are intimidated by guys that are way above their SMV, and they admit it. The whole TRP idea of hypergamy is questionable. Like attracts like. TRP's Hypergamy only exists in one night stands and the college scene, and even then it happens alot less then you think.

Wrong. I spent Halloween's night with chads and the women threw themselves at them and had sex the same night they met the chads for the first time. Women are not intimidated by men who are chads. They simply lie about it, ''oh no I'm not going after had because we women feel that the guy would never be interested in us for anything else than a quickie blablablabla''

Many of the times lower SMV women are intimidated, they sabotage themselves and each other, they get suspicious, they break things off early, they think the higher SMV man is a player, the list goes on and on. They are essentially invisible to higher SMV as well unless the high SMV man approaches. Now is an 8 or a 9 guy gonna feel Ok approaching a 6? Really now? Come on.

No, I have never approached a 6. But I am open to getting a blowjob from one if she offers it.

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I spent Halloween's night with chads and the women threw themselves at them and had sex the same night they met the chads for the first time.

Then you are proving me right. It's Halloween night dude. Its Halloween literally the biggest party night of the year. What do you expect? Halloween is literally a fuckfest.

Hell, even in party settings the Chads are gonna struggle with average girls. Your view is skewed because you are jealous. Period. I've been to one of the biggest party colleges in the nation, and high SMV guys want high SMV girls. It's just the way it is. Average SMV girls are insecure, they get jealous of one another, they sabotage each other. How many times have I seen a girl go "Come on let's goooo to this other party" as her friend is flirting with another guy. College girl Cockblock 101

Hell I've seen lower SMV guys get action through persistence throughout the night. In fact in some ways its better for them, they are less high profile and less intimidating. The girl just goes "eh, fuck it, my friends are letting laid and so am I." Literally lol. It's not that hard to seduce drunk college girls when the situation is right.

Usually what ends up happening is that the high SMV guy pairs up with...yep you guessed it, the high SMV girl. Surprise surprise! And then everyone follows in a domino effect. Everyone pairs up with their relative SMV equal.

No, I have never approached a 6. But I am open to getting a blowjob from one if she offers it.

Yet she never will because that's not how girls act. You could be SMV 10 super Beefcake Chad football quarterback and you will still have to do the approaching 99% of the time.

And you say you never approached a 6. You implied you arent a Chad. So then what are you? SMV 7? And you say you never approached a 6?

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Then you are proving me right. It's Halloween night dude. Its Halloween literally the biggest party night of the year. In a party setting the Chads are the first ones to get pussy. Anything beyond one night stands and hypergamy dies down.

Ah so women are only promiscuous during special occasions. Do they also give out pussy during christmas? I need to ask santa for some..

Dude, its not just halloween. Its everyday. Women throw themselves at chad and then spend the rest of the time pretending htey are moral women, who are only going to give pussy in exchange of a relationship. But all of that pretense, deception and falsehood when Justin Bieber shows up at the door or whatever.

Seen it happen so often. Its rather hilarious. Women cheating on their husbands and boyfriends.

Hell, even in party settings the Chads are gonna struggle with average girls. Your view is skewed because you are jealous.

Yes, I'm jealous. I need to work for it, to talk to hot girls and be a modern charlie chaplin to bang, meanwhile chad just stands there and chicks approach him and fuck him soon. I'm a tad salty over it.

But other than that, it doesn't invalidate what I say at all. Women spend their teens and 20s giving it up easily for chads and making hte other men work for it.

I've been to one of the biggest party colleges in the nation, and high SMV guys want high SMV girls.

High SMV men are more than willing to fuck lower SMV women for casual sex, either because there are few high SMV women, they don't put out easily, or the guys want to have a gurantee fuck so instead of 10/10 girls they go for chicks below that.

Average SMV girls are insecure, they get jealous of one another, they sabotage each other. How many times have I seen a girl go "Come on let's goooo to this other party" as she is flirting with another guy. College girl Cockblock 101

No. They aren't. There's no such thing as insecure women. That's just plot armor that women use to explain why they don't approach men when the truth is that they don't approach men because they only get wet for chad. Funny how every girl's insecurities goes away when Chad enters the room with Brad and Todd.

. How many times have I seen a girl go "Come on let's goooo to this other party" as she is flirting with another guy. College girl Cockblock 101

This I have experienced myself. Girls ruining my chances with other girls by shit-talking about me when there is not even a reason for that. I approached a girl I had no idea had a boyfriend ,got rejected moved on with my life and never spoke to her again. She got mad and went to talk shit about me. Thing is.. she was a 10/10 girl. Crazy ass chicks i tell you.

Hell I've seen lower SMV guys get action through persistence throughout the night. In fact in some ways its better for them, they are less high profile and less intimidating. The girl just goes "eh, fuck it, my friends are letting laid and so am I." Literally lol. It's not that hard to seduce drunk college girls when the situation is right.

I have never witnessed this. I have never seen a 5 or a man below that go home with a girl who wasn't 1000 pounds heavy and doing an audiction for the role of Jabba the Hutt.

Usually what ends up happening is that the high SMV guy pairs up with...yep you guessed it, the high SMV girl. Surprise surprise! And then everyone follows in a domino effect.

The problem is that every girl assumes she's of high smv so she is only going to gun out for chad.

Yet she never will because that's not how girls act.

Depends if she's drunk. They gain courage when drunk.

[–]Uyrr1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

Ah so women are only promiscuous during special occasions. Do they also give out pussy during christmas? I need to ask santa for some..

Okay, let's take your Classic Reddit Sarcasm(TM) aside here. There is a time and place for promiscuity. You are not going to hit on and get pussy at a Funeral, to use an extreme example. Like any other situation dealing with people, there is a context for it because people are complicated. Life is not a video game where you need to pass all the charisma checks in a scripted convo for you to get to the sex scene.

Seen it happen so often. Its rather hilarious. Women cheating on their husbands and boyfriends.

And then theres men cheating on their wives. It takes two to tango. You say you "see it all the time." Where? Do you work at a divorce court or couples therapy place? Lol.

need to work for it, to talk to hot girls and be a modern charlie chaplin to bang, meanwhile chad just stands there and chicks approach him and fuck him soon. I'm a tad salty over it.

I'll say it again, it's not that simple. At the end of the day, people pair up with their relative SMV equal. Sex requires comfort. Most women are not comfortable banging a guy several notches above them, unless they are in a setting like a college Halloween party where theres rampant sex everywhere and people stop caring who they fuck.

High SMV men are more than willing to fuck lower SMV women for casual sex, either because there are few high SMV women, they don't put out easily, or the guys want to have a gurantee fuck so instead of 10/10 girls they go for chicks below that.

Absolutely true. But its not happening as often as you think.

No. They aren't. There's no such thing as insecure women.

Haha, come on man you can't honestly believe this. If you do, you clearly have little experience with women. Every woman on the planet is insecure. Every single one of them.

This I have experienced myself. Girls ruining my chances with other girls by shit-talking about me when there is not even a reason for that.

See again you take this personally, don't. This shows me you still have alot to learn about women, especially younger girls. Younger girls cockblock each other way more than guys. It's nothing personal, they are catty and cliquey that way. If that happens try to focus her attention. If not, then move on.

I have never witnessed this. I have never seen a 5 or a man below that go home with a girl who wasn't 1000 pounds heavy and doing an audiction for the role of Jabba the Hutt.

You can't honestly say this. I am not saying lower SMV guys get high SMV girls on a regular basis. I am saying that guys that arent Chads can get action from their relative SMV equal through persistence. Everyone wants to be loved man. Especially at a college Halloween party.

I still remember that night. I was at a house party and one of the guys I knew, talk about low SMV, short, but I guess athletic, he has to be around 5'7 - he screwed a decent looking girl RIGHT THERE IN THE BASEMENT IN THE BACK!!! Right there bro. The rest of us went home with nothing. This is a guy that is short, not that good looking, not really buff...I mean you can't make this crap up.

He screwed her right there. We all stood in the hallway in shock as he fucked her in the basement corner behind the pong tables.

The problem is that every girl assumes she's of high smv so she is only going to gun out for chad.

Heres the big secret; girls decide before they go out if they want to get fucked. WHO they get fucked by is

A) Who they know

B) Who their friends know

C) Their relative SMV to the men

and finally

D) Your "game" which has the smallest impact of all

PS: This is the best advice you will get for college. And its free. No PUA course from me. Just network and make friends with as many people possible. The people who get the most ass in college are by far Greek organizations. It's more about who you know and your attraction between you and the girl rather than your "game". I hate that term.

Depends if she's drunk. They gain courage when drunk.

They just lose inhibitions and eventually hook up if their friends hook up. It's that simple. Girls are group creatures and follow the crowd.

[–]OncleJulian 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Okay, let's take your Classic Reddit Sarcasm(TM) aside here.

tips fedora

There is a time and place for promiscuity. You are not going to hit on and get pussy at a Funeral, to use an extreme example.

It works if you are chad.

with people, there is a context for it because people are complicated. Life is not a video game where you need to pass all the charisma checks in a scripted convo for you to get to the sex scene.

Yeah, I noticed. That's why these days all I do is gaming. I built a new computer rig and with the exception of going out with my friends for halloween because I was dragged out i really don't bother interacting with women.

This is what I love about video games. I put in the work, I get the reward. In real life, with girls, I might put all of the work in the world and still not get anything in return, so its better to not try.

And then theres men cheating on their wives. It takes two to tango. You say you "see it all the time." Where? Do you work at a divorce court or couples therapy place? Lol.

Because the wives deny them sex.

No, I just happen to be in a social group with chads. It enables me to see how women really are. I usually get chad's leftovers. Chad meets the girl for the first time and by the end of the night they're banging. The same women, make me work for it by making me chase after them for a couple of weeks. It makes me feel inadequate.

I'll say it again, it's not that simple. At the end of the day, people pair up with their relative SMV equal. Sex requires comfort. Most women are not comfortable banging a guy several notches above them, unless they are in a setting like a college Halloween party where theres rampant sex everywhere and people stop caring who they fuck.

Only for marriages and relationships. For casual sex women hook-up above and not to their level or below. I have never seen my friends pick-up a girl. Not unless the friend who was doing it was a chad, and more often than not the girl he's picking he's several points below his league. The red pillers even say a man should have an easier time getting casual sex from a girl who is 3 points below his league, which means women have no problem being intimidated with men above their level of looks.

Absolutely true. But its not happening as often as you think.

its happening often enough for us non-chads having to go home to our hands.

Haha, come on man you can't honestly believe this. If you do, you clearly have little experience with women. Every woman on the planet is insecure. Every single one of them.

No, no. That's what they want you to believe. They all claim to be insecure, even the super hot ones. They do it for a reason. It makes them look vulnerable. That alone is going to make men provide attention, resources, money and gifts to make the girl feel better about herself.

They also use the insecure excuse as to justify why they spent their teens and 20s being pumped and dumped by chad.

They never did enjoy the sex they had with the brad pitt clone after all!

You can't honestly say this. I am not saying lower SMV guys get high SMV girls on a regular basis. I am saying that guys that arent Chads can get action from their relative SMV equal through persistence. Everyone wants to be loved man. Especially at a college Halloween party.

Wrong. Women have less of a sex drive. They aren't horny like most young men are most of the time. They don't consume nearly half the same amount of porn young men consume. Most women would never have casual sex with a decent looking guy for the sake of having sex for pleasure.

men have to compete with each other to get ANY sort of female attention. Women only have to compete amongst themselves for the Kings of Chads.

. Younger girls cockblock each other way more than guys. It's nothing personal, they are catty and cliquey that way. If that happens try to focus her attention. If not, then move on.

You know what pissed me off wasn't the rejection in itself. I moved on. I flirted with her, made a move and she indirectly said she had a bf so I stopped talking to her. What pissed me off was how she shot down the chances I had with any girl in that social circle by making shit up about me. Wow. Women are really shitty human beings.

I still remember that night. I was at a house party and one of the guys I knew, talk about low SMV, short, but I guess athletic, he has to be around 5'7 - he screwed a decent looking girl RIGHT THERE IN THE BASEMENT IN THE BACK!!! Right there bro. The rest of us went home with nothing. This is a guy that is short, not that good looking, not really buff...I mean you can't make this crap up.

A 5'7'' guy fucked a non-fat chick? Surely he must have a face like a young tom cruise and a body like a greek god, no? That's the only way I'm seeing a midget having sex with a non-fat woman.

This is a guy that is short, not that good looking, not really buff...I mean you can't make this crap up.

Miracles do happen. But its pointless to approach women if you are short and don't look like a mini male model, and even then I'm sure those guys have to lower their standards quite a bit.

Heres the big secret; girls decide before they go out if they want to get fucked. WHO they get fucked by is A) Who they know B) Who their friends know C) Their relative SMV to the men and finally D) Your "game" which has the smallest impact of all Depends if she's drunk. They gain courage when drunk. They just lose inhibitions and eventually hook up if their friends hook up. It's that simple. Girls are group creatures and follow the crowd.

Possibly.

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Ok this will be my last response as I gotta get back to work.

In real life, with girls, I might put all of the work in the world and still not get anything in return, so its better to not try.

You need to try. I didn't try for most of my college years and I still regret it to this day (28 now). Trust me man, I know how it feels. It sucks. I've been there.

Oh BTW, go to the gym, your T is low. I can tell. Low T is the worst and affects you in many bad bad bad ways.

I just happen to be in a social group with chads

Fantastic. Great. This gives you even less of an excuse because they probably have lots of social connections and know girls. I'd rather be the lowest on the totem pole with a group of Chads then the highest guy on the neckbeards.

Women are humans. Humans sleep around. Not all humans do, but some do. Surprise! Yeah, sure some of your Chad friends might be fucking average looking girls but I bet they dont do it on a regular basis, unless it is a college party setting. Otherwise, again, Hypergamy is an over-the-top red pill dogma.

The red pillers even say a man should have an easier time getting casual sex from a girl who is 3 points below his league, which means women have no problem being intimidated with men above their level of looks.

The Red Pills are right in certain areas and wrong in others. They are wrong in this context. Girls that are desperate and/or extremely horny will screw a guy several notches above her in a party setting....but will also screw guys her level, or even below, if she's desperate enough. The more desperate she is, the easier she is to seduce. But for the most part, it doesnt happen, people pair up with their SMV equals. Even for casual sex.

Yes for casual sex women will opt for the Chad if they got the chance. But even then it is not a clear cut thing. Maybe the Chad feels embarrassed that he's hooking up with a 6 with a flat chest. Maybe the girl doesn't want to appear like a slut to her friends. Or she's intimidated he's a player, he might be too pushy which turns her off. It's complicated.

No, no. That's what they want you to believe. They all claim to be insecure, even the super hot ones.

They are so insecure there is an entire huge industry that revolves around improving their appearance - Makeup. You need more experience with women and you will see women are BASKET CASES!

Wrong. Women have less of a sex drive.

If they have a weaker sex drive then why are they hooking up with Chads? The weak sex drive is a myth. They are just as horny as men.

Most women would never have casual sex with a decent looking guy for the sake of having sex for pleasure.

I have seen this so many times in college bro. That's exactly what happened.

Women are really shitty human beings.

She is not obligated to have sex with you. Find a girl that is equal or slightly lower than your SMV and flirt with her. If she made shit up abou you, you must have really creeped her out. I blame you reading too much Red Pill nonsense. You were most likely way too aggressive.

The bottom line is that if girls are going out to get fucked, they all want to get fucked, and already have an idea of who they want to hook up with. The highest SMV girls go for the highest SMV guys, and so on. Girls will pair up unless they cant find a suitable guy or she gets weirded out somehow.

People know their worth. They know where they stand on the totem pole for SMV and women are more aware of it then men.

I see you are upset. I've been there, I've seen Chads take the hot girls. There is always going to be a bigger fish. Its a fact of life.

But theres good news. Men have a higher range of SMV. What I mean by that, is that you can improve yourself for a higher SMV. Start working out, play less video games, raise your T. You're probably suffering from low T. It's a big deal. And stop reading Redpill for god sakes. They are correct about Feminism/politics/social issues but mostly clueless about flirting.

Flirting is very simple, especially in college party settings. You should know within 60 seconds if a girl is interested in you. Thats probably why you weirded her out, you were too aggressive. Le sigh.

Watch your next party and observe how people interact. You'll notice something. Watch the people who hook up and their SMV levels and honestly come back and tell me its all Chads hooking up with average girls. Thats a load of BS.

The people that hook up the soonest most likely already know each other. Surprised? You shouldn't be. The smartest guys build rapport outside of the party, so all they have to do is get her drunk, dance with her a bit and the deal is sealed.

The later hookups are usually people who didn't know each other.

In a college party you should engage each girl you find attractive and matches (or slightly lower) than your SMV for 60 seconds and see if she is interested and look for IOI's. If she is, you're set. If she isn't, move on. That simple.

Therapy dismissed. Now go out and get some pussy. Better yet, build something with her. Don't pump and dump. Pump and dump is for schmucks.

This is coming from someone who went from an innocent sheltered only child who got next to no action his first 3 years of college to hooking up every single weekend his senior year for like 2 months straight.

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It doesnt disprove anything lol. If women go out and get drunk at a college party there is nothing stopping them from fucking Brad the Beefcake, sure. In certain contexts hypergamy exists.

But in others, it doesnt. Besides one night stands and short hookups, hypergamy doesnt really exist like TRP says. And even then, the situation has to be right. She has to be the best option that presents itself to Brad. If Brad finds theres a higher SMV girl he can go with, he will go with her.

The reality is - people in general hook up with their equal SMV. It is uncomfortable for the woman, even being hit on by a really hot dude means that alot of times he will have to break down her "bitch shield" because she's suspicious of him in the first place. And then the dude himself has to be OK fucking a landwhale or whatever. The whole idea of Brad the Beefcake walking around like a God and instantly seducing all women is a total myth and fantasy. People know their value. Hypergamy doesnt happen on a regular basis. It's a myth.

Look at the instagram's and facebook's of the Chads in your life. Can you honestly sit there and tell me with a straight face that there are a ton of photos of them with average looking girls? I'm talking about the beefcakes that go to Wet Republic and Rehab. The answer is no, they don't.

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Yes?

Thats a load of BS. Birds of a feather flock together. I never saw the guys that were Chads from my school with average looking girls. Never. Ever.

You realize it lowers their perceived values as well?

The bodybuilding forum has done multiple experiments

I am aware of the infamous bodybuilding dating website experiments. Many of the guys that message on dating website are fake/stalkers/bots/weirdos, and you have to be especially wary of the guys who are above average messaging a fat chick. Thats suspicious as all hell.

I mean come on let's get real here. Most guys have enough self respect, ESPECIALLY Chads, that hes not gonna stoop to the level of plowing a landwhale on a dating website where he is most likely surfing while sober. It's a TRP fantasy and nothing more. Yes, it happens, but not on a regular basis. The Chad's want the Stacey's. That is who they are messaging.

Of course Chads will fuck average chicks, as long as he doesn't have to pay attention to her, spend money on her, etc.

Which basically means party settings. Outside of the party scene, it gets even rarer.

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I used to be skeptical that these types of women existed

I believe they exist, just like I believe some women enjoy baking cookies. That doesn't change the fact that these are women selling a specific image to their audience. Any time you read an interview with someone who is selling something (in this case, their own image and performance), you should approach with a little skepticism.

I recommend you read entire user history of Reddit user "ChelseaLuvs." Then get back to me.

This is more homework than I even did in university. But giving it a brief glance, I'm not sure what your point is. Of course some women are like that.

Alexa Tomas says almost immediately she was with a girl when she was 13. Jelena Jensen says she loves being with women, she just doesn't shoot hardcore scenes. And believe me, both of these interviews are advertisements - they're selling themselves.

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Does anyone still deny that hypergamy - women are the gate-keepers of sex - is real?

I thought the definition of hypergamy was just the act of marrying or dating someone of a higher social status/attractiveness than yourself plus the willingness to leave said partner if a higher prospect comes along within your reach? I don't deny that this exists, only that not everyone born with XX chromosomes does it. There are the concepts of "contentment" and "loyalty", y'know.

Regardless, I do not believe women are necessarily the gatekeepers of sex in a relationship. It is whoever has the lower libido that controls when the sex happens, not just the person with the vagina.

...thus women are able to sleep with men of much higher SMV, and do so.

"Can" does not always mean "do". Some of us have lovers/sex partners with a lower SMV or equal SMV.

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Just saw your "bisexual girls are sluts" assertion. Uh, no? Being bi doesn’t make a person a slut, having a large N does. I've made out with 2 women, and had sex with 1 man. Damn, I'm such a slut with my 1 N, lol. Men and women are individuals, not simply "like that" because they fit into a particular category.

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Hm. You would think men would try harder to stay in shape

its not about being in shape.. its about being 6'6'' and having a body build like the men from Sparta and having a face like Brad Pitt and a dick like a porn star.. i'm pretty sure his wife is fucking random chads in nightclubs while he's the one paying the bills and being her emotional tampon.. its just how it is.

on dates and just in general be better husbands since women have so many options.

What I find baffling is why guys get married at all. Oh, I know, its the only way for them to get pussy, but don't they stop and think that the price might be too steep?

I feel like a lot of married men who post here at least seem to feel some sort of resentment towards their wife for aging or not doing things for them.

Guys do ressent the fact that their wives spent their youth fucking chads and now see these guys as beta bux providers, yeah, therefore aren't motivated to have sex with them, yeah.

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Okay but how many of them even work out 3 times a week? Or even try to kewl prep and diet? I've posted the source before, but 75% of men over 45 are overweight.

Then if its about being overweight how come most of the married men I know aren't oveweight but still their wives don't give them pussy? Its not about being in shape. Its all about having a body like fucking Captain America. That is not attainable for most men. Then, that only deals with the body.. you still have to take into account the face and the smile and the dick.

How many of them even try to plan a weekly date night?

Men are too busy supporting women to remember that they also need to take the wife out.

So how do you explain that? Are their sex drives just not strong enough to make them put in effort to be attractive?

Women are hypergamous. And its pointless to be attractive when women including wives only have eyes for chads.

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If women were hypergamous, why haven't they left their husbands for those better guys?

Because those other guys won't marry them. They'll just fuck them. See, women put men in different sockets. They have the guys they keep around as friends. The guys they keep around as suckers(giving some attention to make them give these girls gifts/validation etc) and the guys they fuck(chads) and the boyfriends(guys who get some sex from time to time and provide emotional and financial support)

Your evidence is anecdotal. The fact is, over 30% of men over 50 are obese. 75% are overweight. You can't expect anyone to want to have sex with you when you're obese or very overweight, but the large majority stay obese their whole lives and bitch about their wives not giving them sex.

huh.. most of the men I know who are sexless are not overweight at all and are still sexless.

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I'm not even saying it's justified or rational, it's biology. We want it. And we want it because our squishy firmware tells us that we want it, because not many creatures have passed the 3.5+ billion year test of life and retained the lack of desire for reproduction. More women than men are obese in the United States, but by the virtue of literally being able to manufacture human life makes women more valuable, period. You don't have to say the words for that to be true, just like many men will feel the biological urges to fuck literally every young, attractive woman they see and get angry.

It's hard to get mad at a feeling, so plenty of us get pretty mad at women, because just by existing and being even marginally hot. I fucked a girl on the night I was ~~deeply serenading her with romantic words and shit-hot game~~ lol i mean building a goddamn computer for her. I vividly remember a point in the night where clothes were still on, she had a beer (total of one, same as me) and scooted past me between my chair and I - placed her hand on my back and scooted past - just that physical contact and close, private proximity to this girl I was fond of and attracted to was enough to send my hormones into the fucking stratosphere. Man, lemme tell you what, that is fucking bullshit.

You guys have to have the candles just right and the littlest thing can shatter the reality you've constructed yourselves when you decide to have sex, but me? Nah, just brush my arm a little and be alone with me in my house and I will be fighting my every inner desire WHILE attempting to remember to properly build a damn computer. It's the dumbest, and while it's not okay to take the frustration of this inner battle that you never asked for out on women, seriously you guys are 100% oblivious of this. You say you know - you do not know.

I think most guys would gladly shed themselves of the internal corruption of their reason and state that women, uniquely, can trigger in them. Of course, the human race would almost certainly go extinct unless we figured out artificial wombs lickety split.

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Women don't need the candles to be perfect or any of that shit. We want to have sex just as bad as men...

You don't. Sorry, but virtually every study on this that's ever been done on this just doesn't bear it out.

...we just aren't attracted to fat guys who don't help out.

Which is totally, totally understandable. I respect and even thank women for not settling unnecessarily and for not rewarding lethargy and weakness. It'd be nice if women returned the favor, but they don't. A guy who's not interested in your fat friend is "shallow," while a woman who's not interested in anyone but muscular men is "empowered" and "knows what she's worth."

You're right women are more likely to be obese. But men are much more likely to be overweight at every age group than women.

"Overweight" is am almost meaningless statistic. I'm technically overweight, but I'm damn sure not fat and I'm reasonably visibly toned - and it's not as if men's lead on being overweight is particularly significant, there's no shortage of overweight women in society

If you don't think women like sex just as much as men you're crazy.

Or, an observer of empirical data.

In fact, women tend to stay in shape longer, wear makeup, shave their legs, etc etc etc. All to impress her man. And yet... the average married man doesn't do anything for sex. So maybe women actually want sex more than men, since we actually try to improve ourselves to have sex.

This is anecdote, not data. Plenty of men do a lot of work to keep their women.

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Okay well you can google these things to find sources, I didn't have to look that hard when I first posted them.

Women are less likely to be overweight than men, more likely to exercise, and more likely to eat vegetables. They are less likely to eat fast food, and hit their highest weight 15years after men.
Women have comparable sex drives to men. In studies that looked at how often each gender would like to have sex per week, the genders answered very similarly, with both genders picking "3-5x/week" most commonly. When asked how often they masturbated, women were more likely to be on the extreme ends, but the averages were similar. In fact, some age groups even had women masticating more frequently than men.
You can say being overweight isn't unattractive, but in my experience it is. Especially on men, who don't have boobs or butts to kind of "hide" their fat.
I don't really understand what you mean by men not dating the fat friend and women not having sex with their husbands? I think everyone, of either gender, is allowed to have sexual preferences and standards for who they will have sex with. But then you can't bitch about not getting all the sex you want....

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But are more likely to be obese (which is worse) than men. The age men and women hit their heaviest is mostly irrelevant, they're both well past "middle aged" at that point, and most likely suffering from more serious, life-altering health issues by then.
Seriously, on this, you are just wrong. The only studies that allege that women have comparable libido to men are studies crafted to confirm that conclusion in service to "men and women are the same, equality or death" feminist nonsense. Every thinking person knows that men have stronger sex drives, and good empirical studies (with large sample sizes, across many countries) confirm this almost instinctive knowledge.
I'm not saying "being overweight is never unattractive," it certainly can be, but as the line where "overweight" starts is where "normal/healthy" ends, I find that guys who lie closer to the "normal/healthy" side of the "overweight" category are pretty normal/healthy people. The standard is pretty tight, to where you can fall into the "overweight" category (like I do, by like one pound, and I make it worse by exercising and gaining weight - but will hopefully get away from it by reducing my body fat percentage) but still be a perfectly attractive, thin person that no one would look at and think "THAT MAN IS A FUCKING FATTY."
I mean men are shamed for having standards, and women aren't. It's okay for you to leave a guy who doesn't have a job, is fat, looks like a slob, etc. It's "shallow" and shitty for a guy to do the same, because apparently equality means that men must sacrifice their limited time alive in the service of women. If SHE'S a fat slob, well then gosh, you're supposed to stick by her MORE, because she needs your support to get through her issues. If she doesn't have a job, it's 'cause she's "finding herself" or what the fuck ever. Like almost everything feminism has perpetuated, it's just a bullshit double standard - and thanks, but as long as whiny feminists can write "where have all the good men gone?" articles on their gynocentric-catering media publications, men get to bitch about not getting sex l all the sex they want.

#equality

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I don't think you can dismiss studies just because you don't like what they say. Time and time again, no matter how they measure it, women like sex just as much as men.

The body of scientific evidence does not support this. I don't reject studies that I don't like (well, I probably do, sometimes, but I try to be cognizant of that and not do it) on this issue. The studies that say "it's not true!" have small sample sizes and dubious methods of quantifying sex drive. The studies across countries and with pretty opinion-independent data (like EEGs hooked up to people being presented sexually suggestive photos) all confirm the notion that, broadly, men care much more about sex than women.

It does matter how old you are when you get unattractive. Because that's how old you are when you stop having sex.

I think people just make peace with lowering standards as they age.

I think it's fine for either gender to leave anyone for any reason. It's not shallow.

Well good for you! You're not pay of the problem.

Whoever told you it was is sexist and you shouldn't be friends with them :)

I'm not going to excommunicate people from my life because I disagree with them on things. I'd be a very lonely, boring man if I did that.

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It's not about "disagree" with them. You should not be friends with people who are racist, sexist, or hate any group of people. It's ignorant and toxic.

Jesus fuck, as opposed to unfriending people for the crime of... being socially susceptible to thousands of years of social, cultural, and religious momentum? I'm sorry, but you're wrong about this.

You should not only NOT be unfriending people over such things, you should be killing with kindness and leading by example. Evoking these people does nothing but breed the very extremism you're starting to see.

A cornered animal will fight, and humans are animals.

I don't think tens of thousands of people over 25 years from all different cultures is a small sample size!

It isn't, and such studies have not vindicated the notion that men and women have equal sex drives.

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Please post one of these studies then, because I just can't see how tens of thousands of people could be lying.

If someone wanted to enslave white men (or whatever race you are) would you be friends with hem? What if they wanted to rape men as punishment and force them into marriage?

I am a woman. There are people who believe that it is okay to rape me. That it is okay to force me into marriage. That it is okay to treat me like a farm animal.

So no, I'm not going to "kill them with kindness". They are dangerous to me. I am going to stay away from them and get them out of my life in anyway possible.

In fact, maybe that's why you're having trouble getting laid. Women will not hang out with guys who are racist and sexist, or if there friends are racist and sexist. So maybe try hanging out with upstanding, intelligent people?

Also, if you're the smartest person in the room you're in the wrong room. If you're the only one of your friends not ignorant enough to see how dumb sexism is, you need new friends. Don't let some misguided sense of honor hold you back.

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Please post one of these studies then, because I just can't see how tens of thousands of people could be lying.

Here's a study that reviewed an enormous amount of the scientific literature on the subject - they found no studies that suggested that women had greater sex drives than men, some studies suggested that the difference was small, while the majority of studies confirmed a significant and measurable difference between men's and women's sex drives, with men's being stronger, oftentimes much more so.

There's also the fact that testosterone occurs in much greater amounts in men, on average, and we know testosterone increases libido.

Thousands of people could, and are, happily lying to themselves and to others, to push their identity politics ideology before good science. Good science is, after all, an oppressive instrument of the patriarchy.

I am a woman. There are people who believe that it is okay to rape me. That it is okay to force me into marriage. That it is okay to treat me like a farm animal.

I mean, but practically, no, there aren't. I'm sorry, but this is just low hanging fruit. If this insignificant minority of people with extreme beliefs is your justification for foisting shitty, decidedly unequal policies on the overwhelming majority who are actually pretty decent people, that's bullshit, and I'm going to call it bullshit, and work as hard as I can to undermine it.

In fact, maybe that's why you're having trouble getting laid.

I'm not having any trouble getting laid... because I don't listen to blue pilled bullshit that micromanages every waking moment of a man's life and suffocates his right to self-determination.

Women will not hang out with guys who are racist and sexist, or if there friends are racist and sexist.

lol

Of course, because women are perfect, divine human beings that never do bad things like being sexist or racist... despite the overwhelming evidence that women exhibit far greater in-group preference than men do - female teachers (who are the majority, by the way) develop, empathize, and interact with female students with far more enthusiasm than they do male students.

Also, if you're the smartest person in the room you're in the wrong room. If you're the only one of your friends not ignorant enough to see how dumb sexism is, you need new friends. Don't let some misguided sense of honor hold you back.

The difference between you and I is that I don't judge the intelligence of my friends based on how much or how little they agree with me.

Believe it or not, people are allowed to disagree with social justice warriors on what is or isn't good and appropriate conduct during social interactions. It's your crowd that makes it this cold, dead, bureaucratic, affair and thanks, but I was fortunate enough to be born a living creature on Earth with the ability to experience this reality for a limited time. I intend not to waste that cosmic privilege, and I will respect others' exercise of life.

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But it's not the minority of studies?

And I'm sure you know women are much more sensitive to testosterone, right? Women have less but we are much more sensitive to it!

Again, I don't think there's some huge conspiracy theory where women and researchers are lying about their results from multiple studies.

Let's review: it doesn't make sense logically for human women to be the only creatures in the entire animals kingdom to not like sex.

Studies that you and I have both looked at say that the sex differences are minimal.

Again, how would it even make sense for men's sex drive to be so much stronger? Wouldn't it show in men trying harder than women for sex? Yet the reality is women are the ones putting in the most effort to get sex.

Your theory just doesn't make sense, isn't supported by data, and isn't supported by real life.

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Cadence: It’s sad that it’s so true. To be honest, I don’t understand it. I don’t get it. Sex is sex. Of course, everybody wants it but guys want it more. Pussy power is because we run the show and decide whether you get it or not.

While this is true, it's only true because men allow it to be true.

Mastering your desire for sex means this power over you disappears.

While I don't advocate that men become sexless eunuchs, the less you keep your sexual desire in check beyond a healthy level, the more you are ruled by it.

Saying "oh, well, I'm a guy and it's natural for me to have a higher sex drive", again, while true, is just a cop out if that's all you have to fall back on.

Buddhism has a lot to say on this subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%E1%B9%87h%C4%81

Though I will admit mastering this desire gets easier with age and experience.

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I don't endorse that claim, but it is quite clear that a very high percentage of women are bisexual.

The study, led by Dr Gerulf Rieger from the Department of Psychology at the University of Essex, involved 345 women whose responses to being shown videos of naked men and women were analysed.

The results, which were based on elements such as whether their pupils dilated in response to sexual stimuli, showed that 82% of the women tested were aroused by both sexes.

Meanwhile of the women who identified as straight, 74% were strongly sexually aroused by videos of both attractive men and attractive women.

Women are more likely to be bisexual than men

A 2011 study from Boise State University found 60 percent of heterosexual women admitted to being attracted to other women, while 45 percent had kissed another woman. Fifty percent of those participants also reported same-sex sexual fantasies.

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Having sex with someone of the same gender doesn't automatically make you attracted to that gender..... for one thing, maybe you just like that person, but not necessarily their genitalia.

But again, women are often encouraged to find other women sexually attractive. Women who are 100% straight will mess around with other women simply because guys find it hot and they want to please their boyfriend or whatever.

Have you ever heard of experimenting? Trying something doesn't mean you like it. Again, women are encouraged to experiment with other women, men are encouraged to not even hug other men because it might be gay.

Tldr: our society encourages lesbianism, not male homosexuality. It's very common for straight women to have lesbian experiences and gay men to not have any gay experiences because of the stigma our society puts on both.

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Title	Calling All Hypergamy Denialists
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Date	November 2, 2016 4:07 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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