Q4 RP men: If 24 is the wall for LTR and 30 the wall for any relationship how do women have it easier?

questioningwoman · 2016-05-11T18:56:02+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4ipnhx/do_not_marry_or_ltr_any_woman_over_24/ If 24's the female wall and 30 is the cliff, isn't that...

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Sex is enjoyable if there's variety to it. If there's novelty, expectation and discovery. When you sleep with the same woman for a long time it gets stale and annoying. I don't care if the woman is sasha gray. If all a guy has to sleep with it the same woman for 5 years + what is the point of having sex if its not enjoyable anymore.

No, sex mutiple times a week doesn't mean much if the woman is not very attractive or if its the same woman over and over again. Then again, there's plenty of very hot girls who can't keep a boyfriend because the guys who bang them grow tired of them lol.

Now, sex with a variety of attractive young women that is something to look foward. That is what men should strive for when they go into a quest of self-discovery and improvement and that is all that really matters. Even the guys who are dating a 10/10 if the aren't getting pussy on the side are just playing to women's imperative: to find a sucker to put up to them.

Hell, I can't even commit to having lunch with someone LOL

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It seems to make sense. If a values youth and beauty very highly, refusing to consider an older woman, then he might be unhappy when those traits go. I value respect in a partner. I'd be rather upset and unhappy if my husband lost that trait after a time. You might value submissiveness in a woman. You'd probably be unhappy if she started being controlling after a time. It's pretty normal. You are attracted to some traits in a person. If they lose this traits, you are no longer attracted to them for that reasons. I'd that trait was vital to marrying her, and it goes away, why are you still married?

Not that every man would throw away their wives like that. But I have a hard time believing that a man that demands youth in a wife isn't going to be unhappy when his wife is no longer youthful.

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What you're forgetting here is wife goggles.

Wife goggles only go so far, and usually require that there are other things you like about her.

A man values youth and beauty, and who also is worth half a shit and has some character himself, also values the mindset and character of the woman who gave the best she had to him.

Sure, a man with good character wouldn't disown a wife for getting old. I'm having a hard time believing a man of good character would place youth on such a high pedestal.

If a woman is marrying a man who values only her youth and beauty, and isn't worth a shit, then that's on her.

Let's not try to put all the blame on her. She is responsible for marrying him, but his mindset might not have been clear. Either, he is the shitty human being in this case. She is the naive girl who gotten taken for a ride of a lifetime. But that doesn't excuse his much more severe behavoir.

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Wife goggles only go so far, and usually require that there are other things you like about her.

"Other things you like about her" usually exist by the time a man is with a woman for so long that he now is wearing wife goggles.

Sure, a man with good character wouldn't disown a wife for getting old. I'm having a hard time believing a man of good character would place youth on such a high pedestal.

It's not about pedestalizing youth. It's about what he thinks of her character.

Men do not end marriages because the wife got old. Men end marriages because the wife turned into a bitch, or always was a bitch and didn't improve, or cheated on him.

Let's not try to put all the blame on her.

The blame is on her. She chose him. If she didn't vet him sufficiently for character, that's her fault. He might be a shitty human being, but it's on her for picking a shitty human being. It's not naivete, it's tingles.

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You can do your very best to take the best care of yourself but you'd still get old and not look as good as you did when young. Cellulite, varicose veins, stretch marks, sagging skin and boobs, thinning hair, wrinkles, melasma - they all happen with age to lots of women, and there's no way to stop them (except, in some cases, very expensive plastic surgeries). And, by the way, older women look younger when they have more fat on them, especially on the face.

It's utterly ridiculous how many Red Pillers simultaneously preach how women become unfuckable after 35, yet claim men see their wives exactly as attractive at 60 as at 30 if only they take care of themselves. As if eating healthy and exercising can somehow magically stop the process of ageing, or turn it into more aesthetically pleasing. It's obvious how this is their way to put all the blame on the woman while letting men not be accountable for their actions. "Your man cheated on you? You must have let go of yourself or been a shitty wife, those are the only explanations, it's definitely your fault!"

Or it's a false illusion that sexual desire is completely rational and conscious, as if, if a woman became less attractive due to preventable reasons, a man would be disgusted by her, but if she became equally unattractive in exactly the same way by something unpreventable, she'd still look equally hot and attractive to the man. That's not how sexual desire works at all. It has nothing to do with how fair or unfair something is. It might not be fair that people age and, for the most part, can't do anything about it, but the unfairness of it doesn't in any way mitigate the sexual attraction of those people. That's just wishful thinking and wanting to portray men as incredibly just and noble people.

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No. She ALLOWS herself to get out of shape because of the pregnancies she decided upon (in modern Western society, women have total control over reproduction). If she isn't getting back into shape, that's on her.

Not all sickness is preventable, but most is with proper diet and exercise. It's not all that hard for a woman to keep from getting fat.

Keep in mind here --- I'm not talking about every woman looking like Christie Brinkley. I'm talking about a woman not gaining 50 pounds. I'm talking about a woman not getting morbidly obese. I'm talking about a woman not chopping off her hair into a mommydo and not getting diabetes and not smoking herself into emphysema and lung cancer. I'm talking about a woman not eating so much processed food that she starts drowning in her own retained fluids.

It's not that difficult.

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'The wall' does exist. Female fertility declines with age.

https://ongettingpregnant.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/female-fertility-chart.gif

However there are other factors like cultural ones. In China a woman hits the wall in her late 20s. In the US a long time ago, a woman was considered too old when she hit her mid 20s. However nowadays there are women the media views as sex symbols in their 30s and 40s (Tina Fey, Scarlett Johansson, Charlize Theron, etc).

Also the concept of 'the wall' implies that a woman's attention will dry up the more her fertility drops. However in the last 10 years internet dating has come along, and made men and male attention much much cheaper than it was in the past. So now a 45 year old woman on an online dating site can get more attention than a prettier 25 year old used to get in real life. I think this is screwing up people's comprehension of the wall too, women who are post wall may look at all the online attention they get and say 'I still got it', when it is just that a bunch of desperate men who hit on anything that walks, and that includes hitting on them too.

Women have it easier in the sense that they have more options. Men have fewer options. However a woman has more to lose by making a bad decision in mate selection. So in that regard they do not have it easier.

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Disagree. The wall is real. It's just that it comes much later than TRP used to believe. And the Wall is not this revenge fantasy thing where a woman reaches a certain point and all of a sudden she has no value at all and "now she'll get HERS, now she'll know what it's like to get NO sex or attention AT ALL, just like a young unattractive man!!"

A woman at or post-Wall still has some sexual value. it's just that what sexual value she has will be considerably less than her pre-wall value. Men have some advantage with post-Wall women in that such women are considerably less desirable sexually, yet still desire and crave attention and sex from attractive men. And most post-wall women have even less relationship/marriage value than they do sexual value. Most post-Wall women's value is limited to their sexual value -- in other words, they're good for sex, and not much else.

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Found that only 8.6% of divorces had alimony.

That's a misleading statement. That study found that only 8.6% of divorces in Waukesha county, WI awarded alimony-only (ie: no child support as well) in 2005.

Specifically, it says: "Overall, in 11.3% of the cases one spouse was awarded either family support or maintenance. In 8.6% of the cases maintenance was awarded, in 12.5% of the cases maintenance was left open".

The study DOES NOT say that alimony is only awarded in 8.6% of divorces nationwide or in the current year.

Additionally, it goes on to say: "We found that the husband was the payor of maintenance and family support in all but two of the cases. Fifty-eight percent of the award decisions were for a set number of months, with the mean length of the awards being 60.69 months, and the median length of awards being fifty-one months. The mean monthly payment in these cases was $1,767.80."

Meaning in the cases in which alimony was awarded, it was almost always the husband who paid, usually for 5 years, and roughly $21,000 per year.

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That's a misleading statement. That study found that only 8.6% of divorces in Waukesha county, WI awarded alimony-only (ie: no child support as well) in 2005.

Fair enough, 11.3% would is the more accurate number. But still, that only 1 in 10 cases. Alimony isn't exactly the norm for divorce cases.

The study DOES NOT say that alimony is only awarded in 8.6% of divorces nationwide or in the current year.

That's not as fair. The country was chosen because they researchers thought it was a representative location of all of America. It's not ideal, but it is a decent indicator of the rest of the country. Some thing with the year. It's 10 years old, but it's just impractical to redo all studies every few years. I doubt that it has changed too drastically over 10 years, just like it probably isn't too much of an outlier location wise.

Meaning in the cases in which alimony was awarded, it was almost always the husband who paid, usually for 5 years, and roughly $21,000 per year.

This is true.

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That's not as fair. The country was chosen because they researchers thought it was a representative location of all of America.

Actually, no. They said:

"We selected Waukesha County because although its residents represent a range of living situations and incomes, the median household income is considerably above the median income for the state of Wisconsin and the United States as whole."

They never said it was representative of the country. The study's purpose was to determine if people who represent themselves are better off without an attorney, and because low income divorces rarely award maintenance, they thought that an affluent sample size would better explain the motivations and results of those who represent themselves versus those who hire divorce attorneys.

Did you even read the study you are citing?

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Idk, it is only very recently in history that we have women who have bona fide made their own independent fortunes, not just from marriage or inheritance and family connections. And the ones we do see seem to act almost precisely like men. Especially the real rags to riches millionaire women...new money is always more flashy/vulgar/excessive with how they present in public...they are totally going for boytoys. See Jennifer Lopez, Madonna, Halle Berry...all with super hot models in some cases half their age. This will never be a majority behavior and most people can't afford it, but from what I can see, women who gain power and money independently act very much like men. Which leads me to believe that many of the things we associate with men or masculinity, which aren't related to actual physical differences (muscles, sperm) are more a reflection of differences in power and status than gender.

We have no control environment. But MANY behaviors that used to be considered impossible or unnatural for women are now totally common and have been revealed as only being uncommon in the past because of social restrictions that prevented women from acting that way, not nature. No one knows how far this goes, we can only guess.

But it isn't surprising that the party with more social and economic power in a relationship gets to demand more in the way of compliant behavior and appearance from the lower-power party. And it also isn't surprising that the more money one has, the more one can afford to highly value frivolous things like appearance, which is a luxury the poor can't afford.

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Why on earth would she want to be in an LTR with an older guy if she makes her own money? Literally the only reason for that would be because she doesn't have money, older 50+ men are as repulsive to younger women as vice versa.

I am late 30s, make money, and trust me it could not be easier to (1) fuck young hot 20s guys, (2) get 30s and 40s guys to want to LTR you, and (3) who cares about 50+ guys I would never consider that. The biggest things that will bring you down and make life hard for you in your 30s and 40s is having a bunch of kids. My single mom friends have a very hard time with men and the more kids they have the worse it is. If they had money it would probably ameliorate that problem but of course they don't.

BTW, marrying young, having babies, and relying financially on a man is the WORST thing a woman can do for her long-term value. Of course guys promote it because it's the best thing for THEM, not for women. I have seen SO MANY dudes my age divorce/discard/cheat on their stay at home wives once they're no longer of child-bearing age. Depending on that for your long-term security is a terrible idea. And I think many "RPW" are perfectly aware of that deep down and the idea terrifies them so they cling on to this "wife goggles" hope. Yeah right. Lol. If a hot young chick wanted your husband, he'd be up in that in a second. The only reason he doesn't cheat is because no one younger actually wants to fuck him or because he actually fears and respects you for more than your looks and youth.

The other mistake women make is to marry an older guy thinking "well I'm younger so he'll never leave me", without realizing that guys who are solely interested in or very focused on younger women will always be that way and that "younger" does not mean relative to the man, it means in her 20s, regardless of how old he is. So those types of guys are MORE likely to cheat/leave as the woman gets older, even though in relative age she is still younger. People who are super focused on youth and looks don't mature out of it or adjust their standards, that's just the way they are. Trust me because I'm one of them, I can barely deal with the idea of having sex with men my own age because I like hot guys and that isn't going to change even when I'm 60. I've never seen a guy who is super focused on looks and youth change, though they are way more likely to be the types to trade in for a new model.

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Even if you make your own money you can always get more. I'm only giving that advice to women 40+ who are desperate to get hitched after many years of partying and want a last minute baby. Yeah I get you care about looks but when you're 60 and some 40 year old guy comes along you probably can't get a 30 year old when he turns 50 and you're 70. He could trap you into a relationship knowing that. The same's true of men if they aren't upper class. It's not about what people want, it's about what they can get.

The better option though if you care about looks would be for the 40 year old woman to get with the obese 30 year old with crazy fetishes (like mommy and baby play or crazy hentai) who doesn't shower or brush his teeth and is a shut in who never talks to anyone. The key is to get him healthy and in shape, clean him up, then turn him into the hottie. Make him into your personal project ;)

[–]kryptokate 1 points1 points1 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Sorry, I think I misunderstood you. So you're saying you would only advise a 40+ year old woman to marry an older guy if she wanted a last-minute baby? Again, that would only make sense if she didn't have any money. Otherwise, it would be better to have a younger, healthier, more energetic man as the father of your children, not some old codger!

Women worry WAY too much about being dumped. I am convinced that no woman is actually attracted to men more than 5 years older, it's just low self esteem and they enjoy the power by being more attractive than their mate and lording it over him. But actually, you're not going to want him 10 or 20 years from now anyway, and if you have your own money these long-term security issues disappear. So no need to worry about whether he still wants you in 10 years.

If he truly likes you as a person and not just because you're sexy, none of these things matter anyway.

I really wish most women could experience being truly independently financially secure because I think they would be shocked by how much it eliminates their desire for "locking down" a man. Material insecurity is much more closely tied to feelings of emotional neediness and desire for LTRs than people realize.

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I don't really relate to worrying about such long-term issues. When you're a 60 year old woman, no one will want to have sex with you whether they are 40, 60, or 80. That's the truth. They might masturbate with your body but that's the not the same as real desire. The solution is to (1) have your own money, and (2) invest long-term in friendships. Women who trade on their sexual allure for security are not in a good position long-term. And trust me, there are NO women as bitter and unhappy with life as the 55 year old who was just dumped by her husband to take up with someone their daughter's age. Single cat-women with their own lives and careers are not as miserable as the abandoned and discarded post-menopausal woman who made her husband and children everything and now has nothing. There's nothing sadder than seeing one of these women who used to drive around an SUV and go to Pilates working as a Target cashier in her 50s after divorce.

On your point, having kids very young so that they're already grown and teenagers when you hit your late 30s is not terrible advice, as long as the woman gets serious about investing in marketable skills and building a career at some point.

Who would you rather trade places with? Melania Trump or Jennifer Lopez? They are the same age, they both live rich and luxurious lives, but one of them has to play Stepford wife and sleep with a disgusting old man while the other sleeps with gorgeous young men and does whatever she wants. These are extreme examples to make a point. Melania is what you get following the red pill model. I'm pretty sure 99% of women would rather be J Lo.

[–]questioningwomandetached from society[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

The goal would be a female reactionary movement against TRP so they come out on top. I agree with that long term that she's gonna be in a bad state at 55. That 55 year old is the person who invested in Enron and kept holding on to the stock not knowing it would burst. I know it's not sustainable. That's why they should jump off the gravy train once they hit 35 then boost their careers. It's the opposite of now where people use their 20s up to mid 30s for career but then decide to settle down. It's like calculating stock. Sometimes you KNOW you're on a stock bubble but want to calculate exactly when to jump off before the bubble bursts. If you do it right you can get more. I'm not talking Stepford wife, I'm talking heartbreakers style calculative money grabbing and maxing out the credit cards. And if you make enough money at 60, you can buy yourself a young homeless boy toy that's desperate for a place to stay, especially if he has lots of debts to pay off and wants somewhere free. If he leaves you, you can go find another one. Now that would be real female RP. Lots of people got rich investing in stock bubbles and this is the SMV stock bubble. You're riding the stock bubble and getting easy money. As long as you get out and have other options like career before it's too late you win. People say investing in Enron was a stupid choice and it was except for the people who sold the stock in 2001 and got rich. http://netwmd.com/articles/enrn.gif

[–]kryptokate 0 points0 points0 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Agree this is a lot closer to real female RP than whatever the hell is going on over at RPW. That sub seems like a whole bunch of women trying desperately to convince themselves that when their tits are sagging down to their waist that somehow their RP husband will so appreciate all the cookies they baked that he won't notice. They're dreaming.

Look you're not wrong here. Though what it would do is cause a nuclear arms race in distrust and competition between the sexes. Frankly there is some portion of women who really don't have anything to offer other than their reproductive value...and they probably know that to a certain extent...so they don't want to hear about other ways to maximize their value to society and they also can't deal with the fact that their one value is a deteriorating one, so they put their fingers in their ears.

I think you need to get started on a career before 35 or you have a lot of catchup to do. But 30 is fine. Also what you've suggested isn't wrong if you don't have any conscious about hurting men, manipulating them, and taking shit from them. I would feel terrible both breaking a guy's heart AND taking his money. Unless he was a huge asshole, but I don't play with those guys in the first place. If a chick was straight up machiavellian then what you advise is correct as far as her maximizing her value at its peak in the various stages of her life.

[–]questioningwomandetached from society[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"That sub seems like a whole bunch of women trying desperately to convince themselves that when their tits are sagging down to their waist that somehow their RP husband will so appreciate all the cookies they baked that he won't notice. They're dreaming."

Sometimes I wonder how they came to those conclusions it they read an ounce of TRP. It's a game where it's designed for them to lose.

I like that phrase lol. "Nuclear arms race between the sexes". This would be done to RP men ;) It would also have various strategies like lying about age, pretending to be submissive while she really gets her way, lying about weight and age and things like how to properly stuff a bra to hook a guy. Also how to manipulate a guy into marriage.

If this got big, how do you think a lot of RP men would react?

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Title	Q4 RP men: If 24 is the wall for LTR and 30 the wall for any relationship how do women have it easier?
Author	questioningwoman
Upvotes	5
Comments	180
Date	May 11, 2016 6:56 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4iwhc1/q4_rp_men_if_24_is_the_wall_for_ltr_and_30_the/
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