Is it at all possible to be both red pill and a feminist? (all pills)

prodigy2throw · 2015-05-29T18:56:12+00:00

I still to this point do not get wtf feminists actually stand for. There's too many divisions among them. To be honest I think feminists are just confused, in denial and fighting the natural order of things.

They're the female version of the TRP anger phase.

kick6 · 2015-05-29T17:30:36+00:00

feminism/egalitarianism

That's your problem. You think these two things belong with a slash. They don't. Feminism isn't about equality, it's about government-enforced consequencelessness for women.

GayLubeOil · 2015-05-29T22:59:16+00:00

No because feminists dont even lift and if you dont lift your not Red Pill.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-05-29T18:51:05+00:00

Quintus_Pillus · 2015-05-29T17:26:45+00:00

Christina Hoff Sommers.

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-29T19:06:56+00:00

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here due to that slash in your OP.

If you are what I call an "equalist" who believes in equality of opportunity for women. Then that's entirely consistent with RP. I'm an equalist myself.

However, equalists shouldn't describe themselves as feminists. Feminism is not about equality. It's about advancing the rights and privileges of women. Up to the line. Past the line. And commonly "so far past the line they can't see the line no more. The line is a dot to them".

That's not equality. Any more than a white power movement, dedicated to the same goals for whites, is an equality movement.

So what are you ? An equalist or a feminist ?

Only one kind is welcome in RP, because it's a male movement that looks askance on people trampling their right to be equal in order to bag extra goodies for the girls.

Iramadance · 2015-05-29T17:34:15+00:00

I love feminism. If it weren't for the sexual revolution, we wouldn't have great people like Too $hort.

Ultramegasaurus · 2015-05-29T18:50:16+00:00

No, most women and thus most feminists will continue hating TRP. TRP will yield them more sexually attractive men but requires women to offer a lot in return. They'd rather keep the status quo of lots of men worshipping the ground women walk on and all the goodies, trinkets, and favorable attitudes towards women that comes from it.

Lonny_zone · 2015-05-29T19:52:46+00:00

IMO, no, at least not in the modern context of feminism, meaning you can be Red Pill and support women's suffrage, but you cannot be Red Pill and support the 3rd Wave.

throwaway-fbgeerqrwn · 2015-05-29T17:30:30+00:00

I don't think it's possible according to my definition of feminism. Feminism is not about getting women off the pedestal.

You can ask Erin Pizzey. She tried to get women off the pedestal. As the founder of one of the first women's shelters, see the reaction she got from feminism for daring to say "hey women are humans too": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey

squirtmasterd · 2015-05-29T21:36:10+00:00

I consider myself a sex positive feminist. I hate slut shaming amongst my fellow men and that part of trp I don't agree with. I believe in trp but I also know that trp for women is to play the game as they do. I would if I were female after all. Its society that's wrong for hiding how the world really works and pretending everything is nice.

kol15 · 2015-05-29T22:37:28+00:00

If you believe feminism is actually a push for an egalitarian society, then yes.

In practice, this is virtually never the case.

Lovehatex123 · 2015-05-29T18:02:15+00:00

If TRP was really just about self-improvement and taking women off the pedestal, I would be a RPW. I'm all about self-improvement and the equality of the sexes, and I'm also a feminist. Unfortunately, that's not what TRP is at all.

TylerPaul · 2015-05-29T17:29:13+00:00

Feminism is the destruction of male identity.

[deleted] · 2015-05-29T20:20:51+00:00

Most all women are feminists. It's called sexual-selection, on a hierarchy.

Individual-selection is the highest.

[deleted] · 2015-05-29T20:31:07+00:00

Tenets of self-improvement, especially physical self-improvement, should just be the status quo mentality in society, as far as I'm concerned.

We all know that "waved" feminism was and isn't about equality or egalitarianism-- it's really the furthest thing from it when you see third wave feminism in action, actually.

So the answer?

Be about legitimate self-improvement and be as "egalitarian" as you can be, with emphasis on remembering that egalitarianism swings both ways when it comes to gender.

Don't be a red piller or a third wave feminist. They're really as bad as one another and they enflame gender wars bullshit.

Nothing more then that, really.

mordanus · 2015-05-29T20:33:04+00:00

I don't think so. They claim to fight for equality but it's an unrealistic goal. Men and women aren't equal or unequal. We are differen't. It's like watching squares and circles arguing about who is better and then seeing them demand to be treated as equals. It's just silly.

The only equality that I think is realistic is to be held equally accountable for our actions under the law.

[deleted] · 2015-05-29T20:36:10+00:00

TRP is still too innately traditionalist to really be "feminist". Their practice of equality is "boys will be boys, girls will be girls and humans will be humans". Current TRP just became more reasonable to contrast with current feminism batshit insanity, and they capted a lot of moderates who choose TRP over MRM because at least they get to have sex, but still have that idea that equality is a good thing on paper.

Too bad , the "enlighted left" turned "equality" into a kafkaian nightmare. Enjoy permanent SJW backstabbing and global shift to the right of more and more people.

Do you hear the banksters laugh? Cause their plan to give money to crazy marxist think tanks to kill the left worked at a perfection.

barbadosslim · 2015-05-29T21:43:49+00:00

Probably. People have all sorts of contradictory beliefs.

I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE · 2015-05-29T21:57:36+00:00

Feminism on the air: Hates men, pushes a gynocentric worldview, totally okay with hypergamy, all sex is rape etc. Not compatible with anything that isn't 100% onboard.

Feminism off the air: Just normal ladies who'd like a fair shake for some real issues. Sadly because they rock the feminist label it means by numbers alone they're feeding the blowhard on-air beasts, but I'd say real feminism, "Us too" and the desire for an egalitarian society are totally compatible.

TRP: Work harder than you think you can and you will see an improvement.

Egalitarianism: Everybody puts in the same effort to get the same reward, everybody has what they need to survive and thrive. Don't see a conflict at all when you lose all the rage and inflammatory labels.

_ArchitectofThought_ · 2015-05-30T00:03:18+00:00

No. There are too many concepts in RP that intellectually and philosophically contradict feminist and SJW ideology. Especially practical feminism vs theoretical feminism.

iamyo · 2015-05-30T19:47:03+00:00

That part is feminist. In fact, the whole 'we tore women off their pedestal and they are shit (because they weren't what I thought) is Feminism 101. Pedestals are there to be kicked away. And since TRP is about sex at its core you can be a RPW if there are certain ways you like men to be sexually. If you have sexual taste for a dominant man, maybe RPW will work for you.

You can't buy the big TRP theory though because it says there is a natural order with the men on the top and the women on the body and subverting the order in any way will lead to a disaster. Feminism obviously subverts the order of women as subordinate to men.

[deleted] · 2015-06-01T08:01:47+00:00

YES! I wish I saw this thread earlier.

[deleted] · 2015-05-29T18:11:31+00:00

I am a feminist and an alpha, and I think some of redpill is accurate.

fundude1 · 2015-05-29T17:57:00+00:00

thats_not_what_i_hea · 2015-05-29T17:29:52+00:00

Have you spent much time on TRP? Those aren't its core tenets. The reestablishment of what people imagine 1950's gender roles were like is closer to the main goals of TRP, and that is absolutely incompatible with feminism.

Title	Is it at all possible to be both red pill and a feminist? (all pills)
Author	thats_not_what_i_hea
Upvotes	3
Comments	150
Date	May 29, 2015 5:22 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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