How would I, and people like me be viewed by Red Pillers?

Villaintine · 2014-10-24T18:30:25+00:00

Haven't read any replies yet, so this may be a common response but TRP is a way to help men get what they seek out of romantic relationships. If you're already getting what you want then what does it matter what they think of you?

Obviously whatever actions you take be them overt or just something you don't even think about work for you. So keep on keeping on.

beef_boloney · 2014-10-24T15:17:39+00:00

Your self assessment isnt useful. Id have to assess you. Also, what do the women you are successful with look like? Are they traditionally attractive 7+? Are they tattooed fat hipsters?

It's most likely your self assessment is off and you are simply a natural.

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Tombstone31 · 2014-10-24T19:42:16+00:00

I don't think TRP does a good job of accounting for how falling into a particular niche can lead to a lot of success with women in that niche. I don't have a creative bone in my body, but I've always sensed that artsy men or musicians would get a bump in their SMV just based on that trait. This probably applies to a broad range of women, but I'd expect an artsy man to be especially attractive to artsy women. Would you say that's the primary type of woman you attract?

Smilingbluekitties · 2014-10-25T05:07:35+00:00

Not a red pill man, so pardon me for commenting. TRP aims to attract the 80% of women that are supposedly attracted to alpha males. I believe you are attracting the 20% of women not attracted to "alphas". I personally believe this is the best 20% of women :)

biscotti_karate · 2014-10-24T18:19:42+00:00

It just feels sometimes when I read RP stuff like I'm reading about a whole different universe than the one I exist in.

A-freaking-men to that my man. That is exactly how I feel many times reading over RP material.

I absolutely agree that, past high school, I have never felt taken advantaged of by any woman and they (being women 18+ in all stages of life) have always been normal decent human beings. Some better than others, some worse but all in all pretty good in my book.

There has never been any backlash for being sensitive or honest about my feelings with women. Neither have I felt that any women in my life were over emotional or illogical.

I honestly believe the moral here is that RP philosophy/tactics isn't the end all-be all for male success with physical relationships. There are alternative (and I would say better) paths as demonstrated by you, me, and tons of other guys out there.

oh yea I should add that I don't think your height, your wealth, your race, or even your overall looks were the major contributors to your success. I think your good sex life and attitude is tied to the fact that you are unashamed/unapologetic about who you are combined with a chill outlook on life. Props dude.

runswithelves · 2014-10-24T18:45:29+00:00

I'm confused, everyone here seems to be saying that OP's self assessment isn't entirely trustworthy or unbiased but isn't trp the exact same? We don't know who these guys claim to have success with nor do we know how attractive and good at flirting or building rapport they naturally are.

hyperrreal · 2014-10-24T15:52:17+00:00

I'm with HHL in this one. It's tough to answer this without knowing more about you/these women, but if you're satisfied then great.

One thing I would say is that you've got a solid archetype going for you, the brooding, emotional artist. It may not be a 1950s cliche of traditional masculinity, but I think many women unconsciously see 'artistic types' as very masculine even if they are superficially feminine. And there's a tension there that draws them in even more.

TRP doesn't think women want only alpha traits. It argues that they want alpha and beta unified in one person. You may be embodying that, and thus you succeed in spite of a less than ideal physique and mild self-confidence problems.

hairybeermonster · 2014-10-24T21:10:01+00:00

Understand that a "Red Piller" is someone who is obsessed with masculinity. Someone who is obsessed with masculinity is someone who is insecure about it.

The only real answer to your question is "who gives a fuck?"

OfSpock · 2014-10-24T21:11:31+00:00

TRP makes a lots more sense if you substitute beta every time they say alpha and 'cringing omega' every time they say beta. They expend a lot of effort to get to where most people are already (fine) and then congratulate themselves for being better than everyone else (laughable).

Also, defining alpha as 'having any success with women' means that no matter what you say, you confirm their world view.

boscoist · 2014-10-24T20:17:14+00:00

You're a natural and are happy. You have no need for TRP. Hell I only looked into it when it explained much of the confusion I had for why women did some of the things they do, I'm ever the curious one and that gave me the answers I needed to improve my "game", actually pretty significantly.

beef_boloney · 2014-10-24T15:38:51+00:00

What quality girls are you fucking? That plays a big role too. If you're fucking the ones that men compete for then yes you undoubtedly have some alpha qualities. But it doesn't take much to fuck a fuggo.

In my eyes there are 3 possibilities

You're not telling the entire truth or some aspect of that story is not true.
You have very low standards for women (You take the single moms, fatties, nose piercings as they come)
You have enough alpha qualities (for example congruence, humor, confidence, money, good game, persistence) that aren't exclusive to attractive people that you can be successful

Again, you dont have to be 100% in the alpha end of the spectrum to have success with women. RSD Tyler for example is a 5"9 balding ginger and pulls like a beast because he knows game well and can take endless rejections like it's nothing until he games the top shelf girl. Beauty isn't the be-all end-all quality for men like it is for women. It's like /u/IllimitableMan says: Women are sex objects and men are success objects. That's how we commonly measure each other.

chazzALB · 2014-10-24T16:17:52+00:00

He just needs the confidence to approach and close. He doesn't need tons of money, or spectacular body. He needs to be playing. Average guys get top shelf pussy by not pedestalizing.

beef_boloney · 2014-10-24T17:07:30+00:00

What is your height? Are most of the women you sleep with are asian? Are you white? The better looking or taller a guy is, the less red pill he needs to be. Id argue for a white guy all he needs to get laid with hot minority women is to be over 5 8 and white.

roe_ · 2014-10-24T18:50:48+00:00

I'll just bite the bullet and say that the TRP doesn't have a lock on the complete set of attributes that generate attraction or optimal mating strategies, and that there probably exist, in the "space" of all attributes, constellations that are uncapitalized-upon.

My own experience, empirically, has been a mixed bag (married, so sample set of 1).

I'll ask this, though: do you have symmetrical & attractive facial features?

chazzALB · 2014-10-24T22:48:24+00:00

I'd love to learn your secrets. Im well into my 30's and I've never even been kissed.

SirNemesis · 2014-10-25T00:01:04+00:00

There was a study that showed men with guitar cases got more phone numbers when doing cold approaches. Artsy and creative type probably has the same effect.

CallMeMrBadGuy · 2014-10-25T03:51:39+00:00

Id say "I'm an artsy creative type, and display most of the stereotypes you'd associate with that. I've been mistaken for gay more times than I can coun" makes me think your mainly dealing with sorts of chicks that arent necessarily in many TRP's aim. Not to offend but they're likely outside the mainstream. I wouldnt be surprised if feminists and/or hippies. Most of TRP doesnt seek value the outside-the-mainstream type of girls .There was a post about cosplay conventions over on asktrp and most of the replies thought that activity was beta and that those invovled in participation were too. If I were to be fair, I'd say that they are right around 8/10 of them arent what mainstream appeal. Though even in those circles there are beta ass dudes that do well (aka alpha-like betas). Obviously we can never really pin it down with out spending extensive time hanging out with you and watching your actual interactions and participants but regardless TRP is a change for a more alpha personality because alpha personalities are generally more appealing than being a sensitive, emotional, beta type.

beyondpurple · 2014-10-25T17:57:19+00:00

Bruh you're dating average because you are average. That's fine but let's be honest. 9s and 10s don't even know you are alive, and if you were to actually try to pick one up you would get blown out in 10 seconds.

Most bluepillers I know irl date far below themselves because they don't actually know what is possible with game.

My own brother is a 9 (6'3 goodlooking businessman) who constantly dates 5s. He doesn't know his own value as a man. Most bluepillers don't. Does he care? No because in his mind he's doing fine. And that's ok for him. He is constantly amazed at the women I bring around tho and has no idea how I do it.

adrixshadow · 2014-10-26T09:18:01+00:00

I guess I'm curious why you think this is. Am I secretly 'alpha' and don't even realize it?

Alpha is a mindset, sexual activity is governed be SMV. Artists get lots of action going.

I've never felt 'walked all over' by women I'm dating.

Just because you haven't been walked over does not mean you never will.

Besides you don't sound much like a beta, you sound pretty aloof, do you obsess over women? Do you sacrifice for women?

It's not called Beta Bux for nothing, the bux part is just as important.

Assertiveness and confidence is an attraction factor but its not just the only one, especially if you are preselected.

If you were to get married you would get fucked, this I don't doubt. Get TRP if you ever want to get married.

RedPill115 · 2014-10-26T09:22:22+00:00

In TRP, the guys who get laid the most are the alpha's. They'd say you sound like a natural alpha. The kind of guy who has no idea what it's like for the other 80% of the guys because things have always worked out naturally for him.

I'm not particularly assertive, usually keen to take the backseat on things and go with the flow.

TRP would say that sounds like alpha behavior. Do you see the alpha guy working hard for people's approval? No, quite the opposite, not seeking approval of a huge part of acting alpha.

I'm pretty sensitive, emotionally, and have displayed this in front of a wide variety of people.

Yet your phrasing says "displayed this in front of a wide variety of people", which suggests that you control whether you display it or not.

There are some people on TRP who claim they can never "show emotion". But their stories are usually "then this one time I broke down in front of a girl, when things were really bad, and she dumped me like a rock!". Well - she may have been being an ass, but showing weakness at the absolute worst possible time is not "showing any emotion ever".

So I think they'd be split on saying people saying it's hard to get laid, and others saying that it's not "showing emotion" that's the problem, it's whether your emotions are alpha and attractive.

I've been mistaken for gay more times than I can count.

Outcome independent, doesn't care attitude - classic characteristics TRP believes are attractive in men.

I've always been skinny-fat, as you'd call it. Small frame, poor shape. At this point in my life, I'm quite bald as well.

There are some whiners periodically that go on and on about crap involving money and looks. It's the opposite, though, of what Game said and the TRP philosophies based on it are. How you act, how you behave, your social status, your reactions to what's going on around you - these are the main things that determine your attractiveness. Trp encourages you to look better, but that's because while it's a secondary characteristics it's easier to improve. A very out of shape guy who's a famous movie star always beats the inshape attractive looking guy that nobody knows.

There's 1 physical characteristic that's fairly important - how tall are you?

Excepting one short-lived relationship, I've never felt 'walked all over' by women I'm dating. Maybe it's the type of women I attract? I'm not sure, but I've never felt pressured to play any sort of extensive mind games, seek excessive approval, or even pay for all that much. Outside of a special occasion "let me buy you dinner" type thing, pretty much everyone I've dated has split the bill. Am I, as a beta-male attracting some type of beta-female?

You seemed to be confused about what Beta means. Seeking excessive approval is completely and totally Beta. Paying to try to get a girl to like you is beta.

Not letting woman walking over you - is precisely what TRP would say is attractive.

I don't want this to come off as me trying to pull some 'gotcha' thing, or prove your ideology wrong or whatever. It just feels sometimes when I read RP stuff like I'm reading about a whole different universe than the one I exist in.

There's way to much bitterness in it. But like I said, TRP would probably say you're an "natural alpha" who has no idea what most other guys go through because for whatever reasons you've always known instinctively how to be attractive. If you're in the top 20% of guys (which is more behavior than looks) - girls aren't mean to you at all. They work to please you, they don't give you a whole lot of crap, you get treated very different than other guys do.

You're like the girls with a pretty face and big boobs - everywhere she goes, "people are just so nice!". She has no idea why, it's just the way everyone always acts.

I think it's a combination of - you naturally act how women actually react positively to (not what they claim they respond to) so you never get all that crap, the fact that trp draws in an overabundance of bitterness, and that trp doesn't describe every effective model of dating. But - what you wrote is like 50-75% of what trp would say is attractive.

BellatorCordis · 2014-10-27T22:41:02+00:00

Prima fascia, I am going to say that your artistic endeavors add to your socio-sexual market value within artistic circles, and that this is the basis of your success so far.

How successful are you in, for want of a better phrase, places where 'average' people congregate, such as bars, clubs, etc? Have you found that you are effortlessly able to get girlfriends and sexual partners outside of the art world?

_Dog- · 2014-11-03T16:43:26+00:00

Plenty of tattoos and piercings.

Which indicate a certain class of woman. So you were able to sleep with insecure women? In today's hookup culture being able to have such hookups is easy, most men just get in their own way. Welcome to being average. Now try going to a college town and hooking up with sorority chicks.

BubbleEngineer · 2014-10-24T15:25:26+00:00

You're either full of shit, banging fatties, or independently wealthy. Only the bottom tiers of men have trouble getting laid by 5s and 6s. TRP aims for 8s and above.

beef_boloney · 2014-10-24T18:40:24+00:00

How attractive are the girls you sleep with usually? RedPillers aim for 8+ in terms of attractives. Pretty much anyone can bang uggos and fatties en masse, the question is: Can you do the same with really attractive women?

Anyway, if you're happy with your current level of success with women, you don't need game/PUA. Those are for men who want to go from losers to alpha to Apex.

Title	How would I, and people like me be viewed by Red Pillers?
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Date	October 24, 2014 2:53 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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