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A war within myself

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November 14, 2019
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Married 10 years.

Two young children; 6 and 8 boys. I lift and have been for over 20 years. Succesful career. Read sidebar in depth and going for seconds. Read many of the recommended books and some twice.

For those who have read my previous posts:

I have more consistency with my boys. I am leading much better, but their is always room for improvement. I am making solid decisions and bringing in wife on decisions that she should be a part of. Understanding shit tests better. Much better at STFU. Wife is slowly following my lead. Building a real frame and know I have a life long journey to improve it.

Here is one of my several struggles:

I am angry. I do not want to put sex on a pedestal.
I stopped approaching my wife for sex. I am tired of starfish. I have started other activities to spend time in like jijitsu.

But I get horny. In the past, when I couldn't take more, I take my wife and fuck her well. Still starfish and boring sex. Then a week to 10 days of nothing as if she does not want it. And yes, I know she does not desire me organically. I need to be more of a man to to create desire, but I also need to be more of a man for me. Then when she wants to fuck, she approaches me. I do not find her approaches sexy but used to still take her advances and have shitty sex. Then soon after I feel low and less of a man as I know the sex was low quality and it was just maintenance sex for her....humiliating. Now I do not want either. I refuse her once in awhile advances. I do not approach her. I keep busy.
I know she is thinking I will break down and she will give me her pussy for shit sex and then her quota is met for another 10 days.

Recently, after no sex for around two weeks, she approached me and I gently refused. She persisted in such an unattractive way and I held firm as I do not want to feel what I usually do afterwards.

I did ask her if she gets tired of maintenance sex. She was clueless to what I meant and dropped it. In the end, I told her she had many ways to take herself and she told me she knows and masterbates. No issue here as this is nothing new and that is what we all do. But internally I want a wife that tells me about her masterbation time. I find it hott. She knows this but never shares this with me.

Also, I have not masturbated in months.

Guys, I am in a deep funk and know I am fucking up myself but cannot get my head around this. I am constantly flirting with other women, and mildly in front of wife. I get so many smiles now and they make my day. I enjoy random conversations with other women but never cross the line.


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Title A war within myself
Author 1kdawg1
Upvotes 10
Comments 63
Date 14 November 2019 11:09 AM UTC (11 months ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/295195
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/dw8313/a_war_within_myself/
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[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"38 points39 points 2 (6 children) | Copy

Weak, weak, weak.

You are weak young man. Your whiny post speaks volumes about the shitty life and pathetic sex life you are foisting upon your wife. Good god, stop your self-obsessed pity-party and think for a moment that you are one of two fucking people in this dumbass relationship. She is not a pawn on a chessboard, she is one half of a (largely dysfunctional it would seem) dynamic, a dynamic that is there for the taking, there for you to harness, and there for you to lead into the promised land.

I am angry.

Who fucking cares.

Christ, the first goddamn thing you read in this shit pile of a sub is "beware the anger stage," so who really fucking cares if you're angry? Obviously you, since you spend all your fucking time whimpering about your problems, self-righteously analyzing your wife's shortcomings, and generally being a gigantic douchebag.

But outside of you, nobody cares.

I do not want to put sex on a pedestal.

And yet you are. Sex, sex, sex. Starfish, starfish, starfish. Smiles, smiles, smiles. It's nauseating. You're like a chimpanzee in a study that only need press a button to get a treat. Press the button. Press the button. Press the button.

But of course, keep fucking whining and whimpering the whole time, screeching and scratching, and generally yelling at the world, trapped in a cage, a cage that is built of your own suffering, sycophantic creation, and born of your spiteful, hateful, weak, and insecure disregard for your wife.

I stopped approaching my wife for sex.

Because you are weak. And perhaps gay. Salvation comes not from playing at this battle of wills, as though you and your wife are opposing soldiers, on the thin blue line of your second war - the first being your gay-ass "war within yourself" - instead, they come from (1) leading, (2) partnering, and (3) climbing the fucking hill together. Instead of walking down while she's walking up, you must grab her hand and bring her along, pull her if you must, but go together.

I am tired of starfish.

So is your wife. In the bedroom you are better off relying on your own abilities to push the boundaries rather than waiting for her to do so. You have more testosterone, right? You're the fucking man, right? You don't just sit in your lawn chair on your front porch waiting for the world to deliver itself unto your feet, do you? Why should she be any different?

I have started other activities to spend time in like jijitsu.

Great. Ideally you're doing so for you as opposed to in spite of her. There's a whole big world out there beyond your 1/4 billion wife, why not experience it? While you can climb the mountain with your wife, especially when you're standing next to each other, you can also climb the mountain on your own. Just make sure you're not doing so after (1) spiting your wife, (2) because she rejected you, and then (3) sulking like your children, and (4) running away to "teach her a lesson."

In the past, when I couldn't take more, I take my wife and fuck her well. Still starfish and boring sex.

Have you stopped to think for a moment that either (1) what you consider "fuck her well" isn't so well, or (2) perhaps your relationship suffers from some larger issues that prevent her from forming a deeper emotional connection with you, something that is goddamn necessary after ten years, especially for a weak-willed loser like you?

I imagine you haven't because you're so consumed with your problems and her shortcomings and always thinking and analyzing and criticizing and fortune-telling her own thoughts and desires.

I do not find her approaches sexy but used to still take her advances and have shitty sex.

Why should she be sexy for a man who is so clearly not sexy himself? After reading your dreck, the last fucking word on earth I would use to describe you is sexy. Remember that partnership spiel I wrote above? That applies moreso than anywhere in the sex department. While your ego tells you that you "fuck her well," her behavior tells every one of the 8,281 dumb-asses in this sub, including me, that you're full of shit.

Then soon after I feel low and less of a man as I know the sex was low quality and it was just maintenance sex for her....humiliating.

Great. So if China starts in Hong Kong, moves on to Taiwan, and decides to invade the rest of the world, we'll all know who we cannot count on: you. If your wife's rejection can cause such humiliation, weaken you as a man, and result in this nonsense you call a post, then obviously you are not a man to be relied upon, a man to be depended upon, or a man who will do anything other than fold at the slightest hint of challenge.

I do not approach her. I keep busy. I know she is thinking I will break down and she will give me her pussy for shit sex and then her quota is met for another 10 days.

You do not approach her because you are playing the spoiled brat. Mommy didn't give me extra dessert so I'm not talking to mommy anymore. Good stuff, faggot. And while you claim to "know she is thinking (you) will break down," you know fucking nothing. Are you a real-live fortune teller? A magic 8 ball? David-fucking-Blaine? Stop thinking for your wife, especially since you clearly know nothing of human behavior, let alone the behavior of the fairer sex.

Recently, after no sex for around two weeks, she approached me and I gently refused. She persisted in such an unattractive way and I held firm as I do not want to feel what I usually do afterwards.

This is just plain pathetic. Your wife would be wise to grab the kids and find a man rather than the petulant man-child with whom she is forced to share a home. God. My wife would nuke my ass in a heartbeat were I to be so effete in my behavior.

Guys, I am in a deep funk and know I am fucking up myself but cannot get my head around this. I am constantly flirting with other women, and mildly in front of wife. I get so many smiles now and they make my day. > I enjoy random conversations with other women but never cross the line.

If fucking smiles are getting your panties in a bunch then you're a real hard case. Christ, people smile. Men and women both. Get out of your "deep funk" and stop fighting your "internal war" and grow the fuck up and take some personal goddamn responsibility.

You're the fucking problem here, and you're lucky your wife hasn't bolted already.

Pussy.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

OP doesn't deserve the quality of this response, good on you.

[–]Cam_Winston214 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yep.
This is nothing more than someone being immersed in the anger phase, to the point he's drowning in his own feelz of anger & resentment. Not the first time this sort of thing has been posted, won't be the last. Seems like these eerily similar posts pop up every so often.

Almost like it's a predictable part of the process.

[–]RStonePT7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not the anger phase

That is learned helplessness.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think we could set up a solid bot to respond to posts based on presence and frequency of certain words in the post.

[–]Smuggler-Tuek6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus Christ. Came here to give OP shit but you already waterboarded him with reality. Good stuff.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Comment if the week, hands down

/u/johneyapocalypse

He doesn’t want to do the work to get out of it, so your post will probably go right over his head, but it’s good shit for those who are more ready

[–]so_woke_da_wookie5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, your weaponising sex. This is what chicks do.

[–]EasyDaysHardNights6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

From your post two months ago: Frame ... Frame ... Frame:

FINALLY made me see how I never stopped living in my wife's frame.

Sex is bad and I always initiate.

This Post:

I know she is thinking I will break down and she will give me her pussy for shit sex and ...

Still starfish and boring sex.

I stopped approaching.

She told me she ... masturbates

I have not masturbated in months.

I am angry.

You are still in your Wife's Frame.

You have invented your own fucked up version of a power struggle that is a Siege War of attrition with your wife based on denying sex.

You have Testosterone levels, which regulate sex drive in both you and your wife, that are 4 to 118 times higher than your wife's level.

She masturbates to relieve pressure. And offers to have sex with you.

You do not masturbate. You refuse her "maintenance sex"

Is there ANY wonder why you are Angry?

You showed up to fight this war with a C1ST and your wife is driving around in a fucking M1 Abrams.

YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.

Quit inventing fucking "shortcuts" that only hurt you.

TAKE the starfish sex so you can return your brain to a level of sanity and see you are STILL IN YOUR WIFE'S FRAME which means you STILL haven't done the work we tell you to do.

[–]markpf736 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Remove attention from bad behavior.

I’ve quit mid pump on an unfixable starfish. You want to see a hamster on meth? Do this.

She’ll ask did you finish? No.

What’s up? Bored, moving on.

[–]ChokingDownRPRed Beret11 points12 points  (29 children) | Copy

The fuck is this? You want to fuck, but don't initiate and won't fuck when she initiates? You don't like the way she fucks? You need to lead her better, if she's starfish, turn her as over and push her face in the pillow while you caveman her. She's laying there like that for one of a few reasons - You are unattractive and there's no desire. You can't fuck the way she wants to be fucked, so there's no desire. She doesn't know how to please you (doubtful) and you need to lead better. Either way, you are the one that needs to lead.

Your walking around angry at her instead of leading. You should be gaming her, tell her what you want to do to her, what you want her to do to you. Make sex enjoyable. If she can't get with it, by all means, maybe you need to fuck someone else.

[–]hack3geRed Beret2 points3 points  (28 children) | Copy

This is the version of literally stepping on your own dick. Fucking guys need to realize she’s not going to get on board willing - you give her a fucking chance and that’s it - it’s her choice.

That whole fill your container isn’t just about frame it’s also about sex - women are pliable and the question is are you the man capable of molding her into your little fuck toy.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando7 points8 points  (22 children) | Copy

And the thing is - she actually wants to be a fuck toy.. all she's looking for is a man that is of high value who she can submit to and a man of high value that will make her submit to him.

Too many dudes forget the last part and get stuck in the Self Improvement Loop.. continually self developing, wondering why their wife won't submit to them as they are now 'The Prize'.

Fuckers need to stop thinking they are the prize and start acting like it. A woman is not going to ask you to make her submit, you have to make her submit.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

None of you bastards understand, this poor soul is in a war.

A war.

This man is a soldier.

Show some damn respect. War is hell.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

A war.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Agreed. OP needs to understand that war is hell.

[–]hack3geRed Beret2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

my sides lol

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tuuuuuuuuunes!

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good God, y'all!

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Clicked, still haven't found a disappointing moment in my day. Thanks. You've delivered.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I still find this scene hilarious.

[–]so_woke_da_wookie1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy

So, I am not thinking I am the prize.

I am guessing you need to have a solid baseline before you can 'make her submit'.

Is this right in your opinion?

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

Some guys are more dominant by nature than others but like many of the things you pick up in MRP, you just need to keep at it and upping the ante each time you hit a new level.

There also has to be a willingness on her part to submit but as being submissive is part of a woman's nature, you should be able to bring it out by being dominant.

This is presuming your tight in most areas.. especially frame, game and physical attractiveness.

[–]so_woke_da_wookie1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

"you just need to keep at it and upping the ante each time you hit a new level." Yeah, as opposed to hitting a new level and then watching to see if the submissiveness is "reliable". Accepting a woman is pliable (as u/hack3ge pointed out) is a big component of this. I am writing the next lines as a confession to myself: my game is limited by my resentment. I am seeing as I build up my frame by OYSing, I am going to reach a decision point. Right now our conversation it is showing me it is a part of "leaving my wife" mentally. Which bigger experience than I anticipated (it's not resentment I feel but truth mixed with discomfort).

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

my game is limited by my resentment.

You need to kill the resentment or you will end up going around in circles. I fully understand it - you're not getting what you want at the minute and you're pissed off. But that kills your game, so you get less of what you want and end up with more resentment.

Breaking the cycle is difficult but it's vital - accept that you are where you are because you have failed to create a concrete path forward and that if you want to lead yourself (and her) off the merrigoround and onto this path, you need to bury the resentment and walk the path.

[–]so_woke_da_wookie2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Man, you put it in a fuckin’ nutshell. Yesterday, i was thinking of how to do breakout of the cycle. I know resentment is poison. i came up with a few hacks for myself. A few steps i can walk in a specific direction.

And the way you summed it up here gives me a context and cardinal point on the compass.

Cheers

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Imagine that you meet a girl you like who want to bang. There's no history between you, she doesn't know your past, you don't know hers. She's just a pretty chick who seems cool and you want to get into her knickers.

How do you do that? You bring out your A Game - you tease, act cocky, flirt, kino and have only one thing on your mind.. close on the deal.

You are determined to get it.

She knows it and that is a turn on for her. But she's not giving it up easily - she's enjoying the game and that makes the conquest more enjoyable for you. The tension rises, the passion builds.

That's how you get laid.

Now imagine your wife. There's a lot of history between you. You know her past and she knows yours. She's still a pretty chick and you want to get into her knickers.

But how are you going about doing that? You're sitting around thinking 'bitch isn't fucking me' and get pissed.

You can't be arsed with teasing, acting cocky, flirting or kino... she should be fucking you already, after all you are the Prize.

None of this is a turn on for her. Even so, she gives it up easily and throws you some duty sex. The conquest isn't enjoyable. It's like having a wank inside a meat puppet.

You get laid but neither of you enjoyed the game.

Break the cycle - pretend like she's not your wife but like she's some new girl you met that you want to bang. Even role play it.. literally or not.. but every time you try, you should aim to fuck her mind before you fuck her body. A woman will give duty starfish to a husband who doesn't turn her on. A woman will never give starfish to a new man who turns her on before he even trys to fuck her.

[–]so_woke_da_wookie2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Alrigh, alrigh, alrigh, it’s on. I get enthusiastic cyclically. I am gonna go for this. Fuck her mind first and then her body.

I’m intrigued.

I’ll report back. Let it be know the quality has been the best ever recently.

But let’s see how this petrol on the fire works.

[–]so_woke_da_wookie1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

women are pliable and the question is are you the man capable of molding her

Why do some of us want woman to respond like men?

We want them reliable like men not pliable like women.

Man, I am guilty of this. In fact every area that we don't have captainship of is an area we have masculinised the woman in our life. I have so much shit to own.

Thanks Hack3ge,

From,

The Sleeping Captain

[–]hack3geRed Beret2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

My wife now is unrecognizable compared to my wife before but then again I am also unrecognizable - coincidence, I think not...

[–]so_woke_da_wookie0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What is your post that both outline best your & her transformation?

[–]hack3geRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I haven’t done a full post just little bits here and there but my wife went from a reserved, sexually closed off vanilla once a month max women to a women who chases me down in lingerie wants to fuck multiple times a day and enjoys when I fuck her face and cum down her throat.

As for me I’m just a product of the sidebar...

[–]so_woke_da_wookie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha. Brilliant. If you bottle that you’d be a...oh wait a minute...the sidebar.

[–]JacksLostFuture3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wake the fuck up..

Your wife has a boring and shitty sex life. She chooses to finger herself instead of fucking you.

Don't wait for her to ask you. Cos she won't. She knows you are bad.

Everyone tells you to go cavemen. And its so true. Start today and keep banging her daily. Every time go harder than yesterday. Try different things. Try new positions, clitoral stimulation, facefucking, everything.

She can't be starfish if you don't let her.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your endless need for external sexual validation has destroyed both her pleasure and desire for sex with you, and yours.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

You're pissed off because your wife isn't craving your cock. If she did, she would be whipping it out, sucking it hard and begging you to stick it in whichever hole you want.

But she isn't.

Whose fault is that?

[–]1kdawg1[S] -5 points-4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yes, that is EXACTLY why I am pissed. And feel stuck

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Stuck where?

You signed up for MRP about two months ago.

You have been a drunken captain for years - you have failed to lead your kids, you have failed to lead your wife.

You are - by your own admission - a Beta Bux.

Your wife would rather sleep in bed with one of the kids than to sleep with you.

You're not stuck - you just haven't done any of the work.

You've scratched the surface and you think that's enough to get your wife to hop on your dick.

She hasn't and now you're pissed off. Pissed that all you get is starfish. So pissed that you don't initiate and then turn her down when she does.

You're throwing all the toys out of the pram and crying coz you've no toys left to play with.

You SHOULD be pissed - pissed at yourself for being a faggot. Pissed at yourself for being a shitty captain. Pissed at yourself for being a Beta Bux. Pissed at yourself for being a lazy cunt.

The only thing you have realised correctly is that this war is one you are waging against yourself. It has nothing to do with your wife. She doesn't even realise that the war has begun.

But the biggest thing you fail to realise is that you're only stuck because you refuse to move forward.

[–]redwall923 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

She doesn't even realise that the war has begun.

Don't tell him that. You're going to give him another goal post that's shit-all to aim for.

Ramboville is defined as trying to make sure she realizes the war has begun.

[–]vplatt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, so maybe you just need some ideas.

Personally, I think you're going to need to prime the pump here psychologically speaking. Obviously, you're a bit "over" vanilla sex; at least that which is so-called "maintenance sex" as you called it. It sounds like she is too. And fertheluvofgawd, just stop thinking that way. Just... stop. Any sex at all is an opportunity to lead her. Ideally, the sex will be because you seduced her as below, but if not, then so what?! Just take advantage to help move things in a new direction. Just DON'T expect her to lead or to even give you realistic feedback on what she likes. She won't know until she's there.

Read the Sex God Method, apply DEVI, find a new approach, and make something work! Keep escalating things with her in directions you and then she (in that order) finds arousing. Exhibitionism/voyeurism, bondage, mirrors, hair, tickling, smoking, choking, feet/tickling, oh my! The lists go on and on. Do you know which ones she fantasizes about? Of those things, do you know what you like?

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/common-sexual-fetishes/

https://badgirlsbible.com/list-of-kinks-and-fetishes

Again, you have to lead. You're not going to turn your wife into a craven sex toy at the gym or because you think you're a big shot business owner or even just because you think you're a good husband and father. This will come about by you interacting with her again and showing your attraction to her. This is seduction 101: isolate, instigate, escalate. Etc. etc.

Have you read the sidebar? Do you even know how to seduce your own wife anymore? Relearn it and have some fun with it!

[–]RedPillGlasses1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How’s your testosterone?

If you don’t jerk off, and you don’t want sex, that’s a concern.

[–]fannyfire2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Have you ever tried fucking her differently? My wife had next to zero skills when I met her. I had to teach her almost everything because women only know missionary from the movies. They don’t show how a woman really wants to be fucked. Sounds like you need to kino and lead her in the bedroom. If you can’t turn her into your slut then you could continue with alternative ways to get your needs met. Right now it sounds like you’re not getting your needs met because you aren’t leading. That’s not her fault and if you’re going to be mad be mad at yourself because you’re the one who put you in your situation.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

women only know missionary from the movies.

Right, because women are latently retarded.

Improving her vapid sexual skills no doubt came after lessons in shoe tying, turning on the washing machine, and making toast.

[–]fannyfire10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well, we can’t all marry whores that know how to tie their own shoes.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll take a whore over the boring-ass retard you described.

Edit: I upvoted your comment, made me laugh.

[–]tap09885342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You need to use sex bargaining to get what you want first. So the next time she gets all horny, say "If you want the D, you stupid bitch, your gonna have to give me a rimjob and peg me a little, first."

Make sure to say "Stupid Bitch" because it provocatively lets her know you're in charge, establishing both dominance and strong emotion at the same time. Then when she's ready to toss your salad, surprise her by wearing a diaper. Women crave variety and it will show her that you're creative AND kinky. Bonus kink extra credit if the diaper is loaded. In fact, those stink pants will complete the last tetra of sexual mastery: Immersion. The smell will completely immerse her into the experience. At MRP, we call this the Sex God Method.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

You probably fuck about as well as her.

She is your reflection.

Flip that woman over, caveman her, tie her up, spank her ass, facefuck her, lick her butthole. Whatever. Stop being a faggot.

The validation you get from sex is fucking disgusting. Full of covert contracts too.

You know what might actually get her pussy wet? Knowing her man can fuck like a champ, wants to, and he can get it anywhere.

[–]RedPillGlasses1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

He doesn’t want to fuck her, that’s his concern.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well, I wouldn't want to fuck my wife in her frame either.

[–]RedPillGlasses0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can I fuck her in your frame instead?

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want to jackoff in the corner into a sock while watching and thinking about me that's fine with me.

[–]so_woke_da_wookie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Out on Netflix, Friday November 17th: ‘The Man Who Cashiers Smiled At’

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well u/johnnyapocalypse pretty much covered the obvious issues.

However, I’d reiterate that your focus on “I want sex but I want my wife to want me to do things the way I want her to want them” is just so weird. You don’t like her approach? Her approach isn’t sexy enough for you? I’m not sure what logic you’re operating by where you’re turning her down when she’s trying to suck up her massive disappointment in her husband to consider having sex with you but like some idiot, you’re turning her down.

Starfish sex happens for two reasons: 100% she isn’t attracted to you and the other 100% is that you aren’t good enough in bed. If a woman is attracted to you and you know how to rock her world, no starfish. Simple formula.

[–]JoeBuckYourslf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also, he’s a shitty leader.

Lol that he turns her down. Then he wines about sex.

These comments better be a fucking wake up call for OP.

[–]UnbreakableFrame0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Buy a paperback copy of NMMNG and highlight every sentence in it where he uses the phrase "covert contract". That's what your entire post is; a massive fucking cover contract.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are mindfucking this to death.

She gives you maintenance sex because you lack frame, confidence and zest.

The end

[–]ImNotSlash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're allowing your wife to dictate the terms for a sexual life and throwing fits like a fucking baby. How is that attractive?

when I couldn't take more, I take my wife and fuck her well.

Why do you wait so long?

I am tired of starfish.

Who doesn't? But your wife knows you'll either take it or mope like a bitch, running to jitsu class so you can wrestle sweaty men.

Then a week to 10 days of nothing as if she does not want it.

All of your answers are in your post.

Now I do not want either.

So.... what's the problem?

I refuse her once in awhile advances. I do not approach her.

Most of us would use the opportunity to cave man her. You just cave.

give me her pussy

You're not entitled to her pussy

I know she is thinking

OMFG

I did ask her

"BABY I JUST WANT TO TALK AND YOU DON'T FUCK ME GOOD ANYMORE IM A MAN DAMN IT!!!"

😥😥😥

I get so many smiles now and they make my day

You probably think the stripper wants to fuck you too.

All of this shit is just whining thinking you're owed something cause you read some fucking books. You're not owed shit.

[–]1kdawg1[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

This has merit. I AGREE. All of this is on me. Need to put my ego aside and will work on Kino.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're a complete fuckwit if that's all you can take from this thread.

Go back, re-read it and digest every fucking word that people have posted.. especially the top post which has everything you need to know.

If you don't, then fuck off coz you're wasting everyone's time including your own.

[–]RStonePT5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'll give you a shiny silver dollar if he even understands what putting his ego aside even means.

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like one of those dollars that Top Cat used to keep tied to a string.



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