Wives & Lovers – Wives Hate Sex

68461674897051454980 · 2015-03-31T23:07:04+00:00

I wouldn't say wives hate sex, because sex feels good. I would say that wives are conditioned by their husbands to have less and less sex, and realize it's a bargaining chip to get what they want because the beta husband will beg and plead, and again teach her that sex IS a bargaining chip. As soon as they reinforce and reward that behavior ONE TIME by agreeing that it is a bargaining chip or by giving all the power by begging like an idiot, that's where it starts and they've lost the battle.

I wrote about it in another thread in this sub:

"I disagree with what she said

As a woman with kids, I feel you are taking advantage of your husband and probably driving an enormous wedge between you two. Instead of gently leading you into a discussion about maintaining your identity as a mother and a wife, I'll ask you to consider the end game here. There are women everywhere who love sex, you were one once. Your husband sounds like a great catch, since he's stayed with you while being neglected and made to feel undesirable.

The OP of that thread is not lying. She's not being vindictive. She honestly just hates sex. But she isn't being honest with herself, she hates sex, but she hates it WITH HIM. Plenty of women say they don't like sex anymore, but then they take a trip to miami and ride a dick and all of a sudden they realize they like it, just not with their beta husband.

She's not taking advantage, she's just doing what she was taught to do by the husband, through reinforcement. It's not something that can just be 'discussed' either. Imagine you marry a 9, and things are great. You're fucking her a few times a week and it's great. Now all of a sudden she turns obese. Your dick doesn't even get hard with her, and you plow her once a month just to shut her up, but you're thinking how nasty it is with your hands sinking in to all the fat, and how she's grunting like a fat pig, you just want it to be over. Nobody can 'talk' you into thinking she's hot and you should be attracted to her.

That's what it would be like for us. That's what it's like for a woman married to a beta. Imagine this little faggot running around and trying to vacuum the house eagerly looking at you like a dumb kid, "DO I GET SEX NOW MOMMY?? HUH?". You're looking at this loser and you're just like... 'no i'm tired, good night'.

to their wives that they suddenly feel entitled to all the perks of the relationship: the security, the home, the money, and the social status of marriage while withdrawing the singular act which separates their relationship from one with a sibling.

this can be true. but only because the woman knows that the guy is so beta that he will accept it, or she will try it and quickly realize it's the wrong path because she withheld sex and now she's sad. She wants to be happy again like before, so she puts the dick back in her mouth and things go back to happy. You think any mother wants to go from a nice secure position to a single mother who now has to find someone else to help raise the kid? All over something as simple as sex?

These guys do it to themselves, and I can't really feel bad for them. Be the leader in a relationship, make it clear through your actions and how you reward/punish behaviors what is allowed, what is encouraged, and what is discouraged."

bsutansalt · 2015-04-01T00:40:53+00:00

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdr33aGnbas

His premise is that if women liked sex as much as men, men wouldn't have to cajole and learn game and everything men do to try and get some. Women would be just giving it up on the regular and everyone would be happy with equal amounts of sex.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-04-01T00:59:05+00:00

Marriage 1.0 "locked" the woman into a lower position in the Heirarchy than the man. While this didn't guarantee Tingles in the wife it at least made it easier for her hamster to rationalize having sex when the man initiated it. It was her role to always satisfy her "superior" in the Heirarchy.
Marriage 2.0 "locks" the woman into a higher position in the Heirarchy. Not only does this dry up those Tingles, but it removes any rationalization to ever have sex. She really doesn't have to give a damn.
Never marrying is the only viable solution given todays laws. It's the only way to preserve the possibility of healthy sexual functioning without the man being extremely exceptional. Plus, the Divorce Rape scenario makes marriage completely impossible today.

This whole idea of a man Charming a woman to induce "romantic love" in the woman to get her in the mood for sex is a gender role reversal. Men are supposed to be the ones Charmed, not the other way around. Prince Charming is a Disney invention that "seems" to have been created initially as an INSULT to Bavarian Kings. Ludwig I of Bavaria (Oktoberfest) was a Red Pill King who slept with many highly placed Bavarian women. Ludwig was a "Player".

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So Disney is an anti-Bavarian INSULT and a volation of Red Pill truth.

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Romantic Love (in women) is a gender reversal... and when you defy nature the Tingles go away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_I_of_Bavaria

"Ludwig had several extramarital affairs and was one of the lovers of Lady Jane Digby, an aristocratic English adventuress. Another affair was the Italian noblewoman Marianna Marquesa Florenzi. Ludwig also became tainted with scandals associated with Lola Montez, another of his mistresses. It seems likely that his relationship with her contributed greatly to the fall from grace of the previously popular king."

Invalidity · 2015-04-01T00:12:31+00:00

You can easily paint the picture with a Venn diagram. In one circle, men who want to get married. In the other circle, men who are considered attractive by women. The two circles should not and likely do not overlap more than 10%.

Women want men in the overlap and will offer up sex to men who stay in the overlap.

redpillbanana · 2015-04-01T08:53:30+00:00

This is why I like girlfriends instead of a wife.

You can only have one wife vs. multiple girlfriends
With girlfriends, sex is assumed everytime you meet, not so much with wives.
Girlfriends give pleasure, wives give ultimatums.
Girlfriends can’t take half your stuff (plus ongoing allowance) after a breakup.

SuperSlavisWife · 2015-04-01T09:17:56+00:00

Also, many women marry men they weren't attracted to to begin with. In today's world, there is very little acknowledgement of the declining value of female sexuality with age, besides a nudge to "get a career just in case". Therefore, most women will be unaware of this and keep going.

Imagine you're a 7/10 woman. You can get pretty much any guy you want to sleep with you, at least once. Your lower SMV friends use lays to boost their egos and boast about it, so if they are getting a 6/10 or 7/10 guy every two months, you are even higher on your social hierarchy because you can get 9/10 guys regularly. Attention from them is enough, but for full social proof you sleep with the ones that impress you (and your friends) the most.

Fast forward a decade and a half. You're atill 7/10... for a 35 year old. For a woman, you're holding up, you're a 6/10. But the attention you're getting has faded back and you know that soon your value will plummet. Your lower SMV friends are already finding resources drying up and are marrying 3/10 men who have been eagerly waiting for them.

You spend the next couple of years trying to get one of those 9/10 guys to commit, then the 8/10s, then the 7/10s... You hit 5/10 and aren't far off from 4/10. You have no energy to keep dating, a ticking biological clock and your body is getting harder to control. You won't be reasonable for very long. So you "stoop". You marry a 5/10 man your own age. Your friends all gush over him, but you feel sickened at the thought of sex with him. Especially when the non-commital 7/10 men still want to see you "on the side". You were so sure you could do better. But you didn't.

Had she settled with an older 7/10 or 8/10 man back when she was dating she would have fewer issues. Sure, his physical SMV would decline, but so would hers. They'd stay pretty even due to the age difference. He would still be a leader type, an Alpha, a Sigma or a higher Beta rather than a lower Beta, Delta or Omega. She'd have had his children and not feel pressured about her reproduction. Her friends would remain jealous pretty much forever. She would have cultivated more feminine skills (charm, cookery, massage) to please him and keep him around. And the sexual attraction was at least there to begin with and is (in my experience and observation) very unlikely to drop until the menopause.

But how many modern women go with the former strategy, obsess over the romantic aspects first and foremost, sleep with the highest value men they can get and pine for one of them to commit? And how many go with the latter strategy, view the relationship objectively, sleep only with men willing to commit and settle young, whilst their options are still good? Most modern wives are pretty much guaranteed to be Alpha widows.

Fallout99 · 2015-04-01T02:04:18+00:00

I think this is where the CC comes from, not from laws and pop culture, but the true teachers of femininity, mothers. They married a good provider at a young age but even those ones who stayed married greatly regretted their decision. They figure if they would have just waited another year or 2 that they could have snagged a higher quality husband.

1000 Jezebel articles telling women to party it up in their 20's isn't as powerful as one conservation between a mother telling her daughter not to settle down to early. They are vicariously trying to live through their daughters because they know the anguish of never experiencing Chad Thundercock.

As long as "value" on a societal level is only being discussed from the female prospective be prepared for a society of shitty women.

They are beautiful at any size.

Can't cook or clean, the basic tenants of being an adult because it's not the 1950's.

No Interests, hobbies, or unique perspective to the world.

Terrible attitudes, because being an asshole in their minds is equivalent to strong male leadership.

But if you're looking for a girl that likes starbucks and netflix we have those in spades.

theultmatecad · 2015-04-01T02:19:58+00:00

Men...show your wife (never tell her shit) that you need and value sex. Train her like a dog that your fucking attention, validation, and commitment relies on her giving you sex.

No problem. You will have sex on demand.

The betablueman is afraid to withdraw from her.

vvancruz · 2015-04-01T00:21:14+00:00

In any relationship (marriage or otherwise), it must be clear that sex must not only be available but desired by the woman. If not, it will be obtained quite easily from other enthusiastic women because I am a high value man with options. My monogamy is only as strong as her desire to fulfill me.

redpillersinparis · 2015-04-01T11:46:17+00:00

The source of the problem is that women have very little sense of self that is internally derived therefore they play roles defined externally

hmmm.. that actually resonates with me. You notice young girls at school doing better because they do what they are told, they generally tend to follow what parents/teachers say. You also grow up to find women caring a lot more about people's perception of them compared to men (think facebook).

GayLubeOil · 2015-04-01T08:27:09+00:00

women have very little sense of self that is internally derived

Mind= Blown

JayViceroy · 2015-04-01T11:52:47+00:00

If your wife hates sex, it's because she hates sex with you. If you're not getting sex it's your fault. You either don't turn her on or you chose the wrong woman. Both instances are your fault.

SilentForTooLong · 2015-04-01T10:33:09+00:00

Any way we could redefine the role of wives perhaps?

I actually wonder if it is not changing at least a bit? It's a kind of stupid example, but I recently saw some of that silly film "Neighbors". It's undoubtedly a super popular film, and it gets replayed on HBO all the time it seems like. It seems to portray a fairly modern marriage in which the married couple are still really sexual with each other despite having a young kid.

There's got to be some other examples like that floating out there?

General_Fear · 2015-04-03T03:28:51+00:00

Comparing a woman's sex drive to a man's sex drive is like the difference between firing a bullet and throwing it. Here are some reasons why:

Scientifically speaking, testosterone is what give human's a sex drive. Men are loaded with it. Women, not so much. Google lesbian death bed. With no men around, a lesbian's sex life dries up to nothing.
Sex is a tool for women to get what they want. Once the woman got the house, car and kids. At that point she's got everything she ever wanted. So at that point, the guy is nothing more than some dude she meet at a bar walking around "her" house with a hard on demanding sex. What does she need him for. Might as well file for divorce.

BramRhodesDouglas · 2015-04-01T01:33:08+00:00

But Rollo and Dalrock are both married. Wtf?

trowawayyada · 2015-04-01T00:22:24+00:00

Sex was never an issue in my marriage. Maybe for my ex wf but she rarely ever flat out complained. The relationship died due to other circumstances. I held out 4 yrs before marrying her, only lasted 3 more after that. People change, shit happens.

Title	Wives & Lovers – Wives Hate Sex
Author	Rollo-Tomassi
Upvotes	119
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Date	March 31, 2015 10:48 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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