MGTOW Quarantine General

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All meta posting about the mgtow sub quarantine goes here. Everything else gets removed, meta spam will result in temp bans.


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Title MGTOW Quarantine General
Author TRPCops
Upvotes 107
Comments 191
Date 31 January 2020 01:19 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/316081
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/ewocvq/mgtow_quarantine_general/
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[–]obi-xander39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well this was bound to happen eventually...

[–]Safe_Dentist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

...but happened in the middle of Coronavirus outbreak. MGTOW R0 was too high.

[–]Rispy_Girl186 points187 points  (94 children) | Copy

Wow so Reddit is ostracizing a group that's literally about minding your own business.

[–]TRPCops[S,M] 53 points54 points  (1 child) | Copy

Strippers4MGTOW

[–]Rispy_Girl33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

That would confuse the heck out of the reddit overlords lmao

[–]TheBinhexer4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Boy i wish they were minding their own business. But there is nothing but hatred for others there.

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[–]theredsperg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OH WOMENS THIS WOMEN THAT.

CHAD HURT ME.

if you really went your own way, it would mean accepting responsibility for EVERYTHING

[–]theredsperg31 points32 points  (78 children) | Copy

Minding their own business, whilst blaming women for a lot of negative shit.

surely it could also be seen as a hate group because of all the bias towards women?

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[–]RStonePT18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Either you're here and accept men and women are different, or you're a progressive in a red coat, bitching about people aren't treated equally.

I agree, one can't have it both ways

[–]Rispy_Girl7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men and women are different, but both should be treated like adults and held responsible for what they say equally.

[–]askmrcia27 points28 points  (12 children) | Copy

I am sure there is a women's group out there doing the same thing.

Female dating strategies, nice guys and twoXchromosones.

Two of those I listed are on the main page

[–]jeffwingersballs4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

You forgot Am I the asshole? sub.

[–]askmrcia3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I did forget that one. And some people are saying nice guys doesn't belong, but it absolutely does.

It's a sub entirely based off of making fun of men. Which is pretty much the opposite that mgtow does. Now people can argue that those men deserve to be made fun, but I can flip that around and say mgtow/red pill deserve to make fun of certain women.

Because they too cheery pick women's social media accounts, dating profiles and text messages to "prove" what they say is correct about women the same way niceguys do. .

[–]Cvevea3-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

MGTOW doesn't make fun of women. It hates them. You cant go your own way if you constantly talk about women.

[–]Firraveus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some hate, some dissapointed, some just had enough. It's complicated, humans are complicated.. Quarantine is the wrong answer. Remember men don't have many places to talk about their feelings.

[–]AnaWithTheCats0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And only one of those actually meets the criteria, and funnily enough it's not the one that shows on the main page.

[–]RAIKENNENISOP-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

First one, sure. Nice guys? Wha? Twox is also pretty innocuous. I've only seen a post here and there where OP is venting. The comments have always reigned things in.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Female dating strategies is toxic af and we don't support it, we have nice girls as well and twoXchromosomes talks about important issues related to women, it doesn't hate on men.

[–]gaucho2005-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Found the nice guy

[–]The-Knowing4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree that hate speech needs to be moderated.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean moderated by private entities and not government.

[–]CansinSPAAACE-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I mean hate speech is moderated by the government if you don’t believe me send threatening letters to a senator

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ahh but there is the difference..... If your hate speech affects someone's physical well being (threat of violence) then it can be moderated because then it is affecting someone else's rights.

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If you just talk about hating someone that is not moderatable because you are not affecting anyone's rights

[–]Turkerthelurker22 points23 points  (27 children) | Copy

I agree that hate speech needs to be moderated

How anyone on RP can say this is laughable.

[–]Enlightened_Chimp13 points14 points  (12 children) | Copy

Seriously. In 10 years the 1st Amendment is going to be revoked, the direction the world is trending is disgusting.

[–]Turkerthelurker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They thrive by making you feel tiny. Here we are on one of the most "progressive" platforms, openly discussing contrary ideas. And more and more those ideas seep into reddit conversations. Recognize how extremely manipulated the site is and still the truth has a way of trickling through.

They walk a fine line. They cannot ban mgtow, because then they spread to the rest of the site (same reason RP is quarantined).

The mainstream media's voice is very, very loud, but becoming increasingly unpopular.

[–]MediocreLift1x1-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

In 10 years the 1st Amendment is going to be revoked

.. the 1st Amendment doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Reddit isn't America. Reddit isn't free, it's a company. They can regulate what goes on in their website.

[–]Turkerthelurker8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

They can regulate what goes on in their website.

Then they are acting as publishers, at which point they are responsible for everything posted on the site - including the shadier lesser-known subs.

[–]MediocreLift1x1-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Are you making the argument that they can't or shouldn't regulate what goes on the site?

[–]Turkerthelurker2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Are you making the argument that they can't or shouldn't regulate what goes on the site?

I just think there should be more transparency. Don't advertise yourself as a discussion platform (the site was founded as a free speech platform, read about Aaron Shwarz), or use that legacy, while simultaneously censoring things.

They know if they were more upfront about that, though, their userbase would plummet. Because you can't get rid of the bad fringe without getting rid of the good, and the good fringe is where the innovators are.

[–]MediocreLift1x1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

In 10 years the 1st Amendment is going to be revoked

I was replying more to the outlandish claim that because Reddit, a company that wants to keep their best interest a priority, is somehow related to the 1st Amendment.

[–]MisterRoid2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

The problem is the attitude that limiting free speech is something good and even necessary. I live in Sweden and here supporting big government and preventing people from being free is seen as having the moral high ground. Luckily we don't have laws against holocaust denial like other European nations (yet), but in practice you are likely to be discriminated against if you are a nationalist or even a conservative because Social Democrats still hold most positions of power in society.

Even people who consider themselves Market Liberals tend to act defensive and act as if they are in the wrong, for example by stressing how they donate to charity. So even they have been brainwashed by years of Socialist propaganda.

[–]MediocreLift1x1-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

The problem is the attitude that limiting free speech is something good and even necessary.

That's not my attitude, or point. My point is freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence. Regardless of that, Reddit is a company. At it's core it wants to make money, it will do what is necessary to protect it's ability to make money.

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You are still making posts supporting a company that is actively working against free speech and thus contributing to this cucked attitude. If you actually value free speech, it would ironically have been better for you to keep your mouth shut instead of acting like a smartass.

[–]MediocreLift1x10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If you actually value free speech, it would ironically have been better for you to keep your mouth shut instead of acting like a smartass.

You gonna shut my mouth big man? I hope your name is ironic, I can't see someone with such a weak mind actually being strong. Sub 1000 total? On Test? How sad.

Edit: Just read "how to get laid like a warlock". What a bunch of fucking losers. Haha this sub isn't satire is it? Jesus would love to meet one of y'all in real life.

[–]theredsperg-3 points-2 points  (13 children) | Copy

Because all it takes is one 'sperg' to take everything literally and go and shoot up a school.the rage I felt during my darkest days has led me criminal convictions.

[–]Turkerthelurker8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy

Huh? One man's hate is another man's banter. There are things that can be said out of love misconstrued as hateful.

There is no hate speech, there is only free speech.

[–]desperateseagull0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

So joking about lynching niggers and pushing black people out of your community is friendly banter? There's definitely a line between distasteful banter and outright hate filled bigotry

[–]Turkerthelurker8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

So joking about lynching niggers and pushing black people out of your community is friendly banter? There's definitely a line between distasteful banter and outright hate filled bigotry

Cool strawman, where is that going on and why not separate yourself from it?

Do you think trying to forcefully shut down that conversation is going to change those peoples' minds, or further convince them they are right because their speech is being oppressed?

Who do you want to be the arbiter of hate speech? You jumped to an extreme example that is pretty much universally disowned - the problem comes when you introduce nuance. For instance, most of TRP would be considered hate speech by progressive groups and media.

[–]mega_kook2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would give you gold if I could man! You just put into words what I've been feeling for a while now. I don't understand why TRP got quarantined.

[–]Rispy_Girl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because the people who control such things are trying to walk the line of being able to silence those who have different beliefs in a more subtle way than an outright banning which might bring a retaliation.

[–]desperateseagull-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Cool strawman, where is that going on and why not separate yourself from it?

That's not the point. I was giving an example for something that is considered hate speech, without a doubt. I don't agree with censoring opposition and censorship based on politics but there's a definitely a difference between that and putting others down for their race and background

[–]Turkerthelurker5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I was giving an example for something that is considered hate speech

And I'm telling you, that using the phrase hate speech is entering somebody else's frame.

If somebody is saying ignorant things that passionately, try to understand where they're coming from. But they aren't saying that, because nobody fucking says that. And if they did, nobody is listening because %99.999 of people find that type of talk abhorrent.

Your example is a burning-man-shaped logical fallacy.

Once you agree to the concept of "hate speech", it becomes pedantic arguing over specifics. Do people say some hateful things? Yes, obviously. Is that "hate speech"? No, that's entering somebody's politicized frame with the goal of clamping down on free speech.

[–]Rispy_Girl0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What if opposition or politics is considered hate speech to the mods? It's a slippery slope if that power is granted. Instead let those who speak hatefully show that they are not part of the majority of society who shuns the hate speech they are using, so they can in turn be shunned and have their views change by reasoning or peer pressure.

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, but people should have the right to free speech - and that includes hateful comments against people of other races.

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

TFW you conflate some dude spouting off online with a psycho actually killing people, one of society’s greatest taboos and think “yes, this is reasonable, this makes sense”.

[–]hominidlucy10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

But the women's subreddits are not claiming to be minding their own business like mgtow which is a complete misnomer if you've ever visited that site. It's insane how people who have left women to focus on themselves spend 99% of their time discussing women. I expected dudes posting about their awesome woman less loves the first time I heard about mgtow, you know, solo trips to Italy or Greece, talking business and so forth. But none of that.

[–]Firraveus0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Why would we discuss that? We are men, we don't small talk about where we went to holiday or come home from work to talk about work.. We discuss people who take asian wifes and what happens to them after a while. haha

[–]hominidlucy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You could change it then to "men going to discuss how unfair woman is and won't give pussy on silver platter"

[–]Firraveus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

it's about more than women so that would be misleading...

[–]hominidlucy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What else do they discuss other than how unfairly womym treat them and what they could do to reign in on the women?

[–]KumonRoguing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hate speech is free speech.

[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hate speech does NOT need to be moderated. You can't have a productive discussion if you have to be careful to not step on someone's toes. It is against the spirit of freedom of speech.

[–]dtyler869 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

I commented in feminism the other day, someone posted about the patriarchy overlooking females having a higher attempted suicide rate than men. I responded with facts laying out that men tend to be more successful at committing suicide because they don’t use methods often used as a cry for help, like safe over-the-counter pills. I was banned. That action alone in my opinion would define the feminism sub Reddit as being a hate group. A man can’t go in there and state, in a polite way, facts about men versus women committing suicide without getting banned? What the fuck is feminist about that?

[–]Rispy_Girl6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol even women have terrible on groups like that if they say anything against their religion, even if what is said is backed up by facts.

[–]Firraveus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yet you quarantine MGTOW but leave the female circlejerks alone...

[–]Yoyoak11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao are you talking about facts on reddit

[–]puglife82-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe you were banned for suggesting that men’s suicide attempts are genuine whereas women’s suicide attempts are just cries for help. That’s not polite at all lol

[–]dtyler860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. I specifically said that all attempts are very serious and should be treated as such. Whining that the news is giving men the spotlight for literally anything, in this case, successfully killing yourself was ridiculous. It wasn’t about suicide as a whole, about help being available; it was about men getting more news coverage for being greater suicide victims, which we inescapably are. In fact the OP went and did that idiotic thing where they slander men for choosing “gruesome” menthols like bullet wounds or hanging.

[–]ape_cage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

im not a MGTOW poster, but twoxchromosomes can be just as toxic

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

blaming women for a lot of negative shit

I really don't care if they want to quarantine hate filled subs. If MGTOW is designated as a hate sub and needs to be quarantined, I couldn't care less

yet they don't quarantine all of the hate subs & even allow many of them to operate on the home page. The home page is routinely filled with subs that spread irrational fear & hate of males, at least 2 that do the same for all white people.

I don't recall ever even seeing a sub like MGTOW appearing on the front page.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly! Nobody would care if it had actually been about minding their own business but it's this toxic community which revolves around hating women. All the posts are there about how "bad" all women are.

[–]beardestbird0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve talked to some women who see modern feminists as a male hate group and they view mgtow the same. Essentially it is.

How you can go your own way but worry about women nonstop is nonsense

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What about the subs that blame men for a lot of negative shit

surely they could also be seen as hate groups because of all the bias against men?

[–]erikmalkavian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Who gives a crap theredsperg Just because YOU don't like them you shouldn't join and pile on about MGTOW Quarantine, is just fucking asinine

[–]theredsperg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You clearly give a crap by writing this whiny comment.

MGTOW is a bunch of whining boys,complaining about women when you'd think that avoiding women would give them something to show off about.

it clearly doesn't work and sends the wrong fucking message to men, yes you can stop wasting your time with women but continuing to bitch about them makes no progress either.

[–]omega050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is the impression im getting from there too. Blaming women for their problems

[–]Snowaey-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea that Reddit was just full of memes to make fun of women, that's why I unsubscribed to it, but I'm still surprised as to how it didn't get quarantined before TRP.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, mostly cause everyone knows damn well this is a private website that will clearly not tolerate certain behaviors/opinions. So when a sub gets quarantined I feel they have little right to complain.

[–]bo43b1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

well china is heavily involved in Reddit with a 300 million investment so im not too surprised free speech is being suppressed.

[–]Friendly-Casper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OG MGTOW? No, too many jackasses made it overly toxic cause all they want to do is spread ignorance rather than engage in self improvement like this philosophy on life espouses. Anyone who defends that nonsense needs a reality check.

[–]Sheriff_of_Reddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They're not on topic for this sub, so my view is tough shit to them.

[–]rdsmo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not saying they should be quarantined, but MGTOW is like feminism for men. It's mostly dudes who can't get laid or had bad experiences with women so now they resent them. Real men going their own way don't need groups of men to whine about women.

[–]SICFJC-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

lmao no it's incels and dudes who cant get laid justifying it.

[–]empatheticapathetic62 points63 points  (13 children) | Copy

Lol and yet rapestories and rapekink, run entirely by women, still exist. 🤔

[–]GlarflBarfl-4 points-3 points  (11 children) | Copy

And?who are they affecting?MGTOW was in no way about living for yourself (which I agree with).Its just people shitting on women.

[–]empatheticapathetic3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

Lol your priorities aren’t straight. Who is MGTOW affecting? They call out the double standards of women in society and further educate men to the risks they face.

Those other subs encourage women to entrap men into ‘raping’ them (leading them to sex without proper assertion of consent for their own kink). I think you can understand how that would lead more men to being put in prison under false accusations of rape. You’re a fucking idiot.

[–]GlarflBarfl-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Where the fuck is that sub promoting the entrapment of men? It’s literally CONSENTING couples or fantasy and I’m no way promoted “entrapment”.And MGTOW does effect people as it constantly dehumanises an entire gender.Also,does your wife let you suck the sweat off her boyfriends cock?

[–]GlarflBarfl-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

There certainly does exist many cases of both Genders being toxic and that t certainly is a problem.YOU can even recognise this so why can’t you just be happy that a sub bringing out the most toxic of men being shut down while still acknowledging toxicity exists in both still?

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[–]ProFriendZoner38 points39 points  (3 children) | Copy

But yet the Female Incel page FemaleDatingStrategies remains out in the open?

[–]Mungork-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I mean it is man hate but it isn't nearly as bad as mgtow was.

[–]fat255man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great pussy pass

[–]Meaningless_Void_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

are you kidding me? one of the rules is that all males will get banned and they will not accapt any kind of male sympathy. 90% of the posts are about woman bragging how they abused or stole from someone. Meanwhile MGTOW was mostly about going your own way, like the name says.

[–]Cvevea39 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Only incels used that subreddit. This sucks for TRP because now more "blackpill ascended minds" will raid this space.

Don't be confused, MGTOW was at least 80% incel and about 20% men going there own way. If people are actually upset over that sub becing shut down you they are losers.

No need to constantly post about women if you are going your own way. The fuck is the point of talking about what bad shit women do if you supposedly don't care.

[–]zk299751 points52 points  (12 children) | Copy

MGTOW is more for guys who have already been there and done that. The movement has been hijacked by degenerate incels.

I used to sub there but I had to leave because it was so disgusting. There was a post where every comment was praising sex dolls and pillows.

[–]LateralThinker1333 points34 points  (9 children) | Copy

MGTOW is more for guys who have already been there and done that. The movement has been hijacked by degenerate incels.

MGTOW is for men CHOOSING to go their own way. Incels are those who are FORCED (through their own shit choices) to go their own way. Big difference. Never understood how incels could even get a foothold there.

[–]PhantomAfiq2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was an avid participant in that sub for a year and a half. I started noticing all these toxic posts more often instead of men striving for what they achieve etc a safe place for men to share interests, hobbies and motivation for each other. I commented on such a post complaining why that post had to do with MGTOW (It was basically mocking and throwing hate and women) and I got permabanned. I checked the rules once again and guess what? There's a rule that says that the Subreddit does not represent actual MGTOW and that content in it is influenced by the posters / participants. Now that this happened, I would say thank goodness I was banned

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[–]LateralThinker137 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

They have a foothold in the US because the US a) doesn't have a complete wall or the will to build it, and b) doesn't shoot them as they come over.

Mods could do this, metaphorically at least. "Post Incel bullshit, get banned. This is not the forum for you."

[–]TRPCops[S,M] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

We permaban for incel or Blackpill shit on sight. Report it if you see it

[–]LateralThinker131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough. Thanks!

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

US soldiers/Border Patrol are paid professionals who do this as a full time job. MGTOW moderators have day jobs and work for free. They can ban obvious people but at a certain point the community just sorts itself out

[–]MidgetHunterxR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW is for men CHOOSING to go their own way. Incels are those who are FORCED (through their own shit choices personality) to go their own way. Big difference. Never understood how incels could even get a foothold there.>

FTFY

[–]volvostupidshit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup, I don't think you can really be a MGTOW if you never ever tried gaming women. Some incels are just using MGTOW so they can feel good about themselves not trying.

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to sub there but I had to leave because it was so disgusting

They don't have the bets mods which is their problem

There was a post where every comment was praising sex dolls and pillows.

True, but hey they aren't hurting anyone

[–]RevolutionaryPea70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For me it's a huge relief to be able to be honest about the nature of women with other men without worrying about losing my job or something. I consider myself MGTOW, but I have a girlfriend. It's not a contradiction. She's fully aware that this my way and she's just welcome to join me.

As for sex dolls, I might get one one day. Who knows? One day I'll be too old to have sex with beautiful young women. That's just an inevitability.

As for the other "disgusting" posts. I approach them with a sense of humour.

[–]jesswesthemp4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

When your mods don't do their job so you cry that reddit is "silencing" you. Bitch all you had to do was put that psycho incel shit on lockdown. Braincels got banned for a fucking reason like how stupid are you? I thought the men on MGTOW were supposed to be smart /s

[–]StephenHawkingsEars15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

Can’t find mgtow in the search anymore despite having my settings set to be able to see trp and the don

[–]TRPCops[S,M] 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don't link outside without using archive.is, even subreddit mentions cause auto mod to remove your post. Manually approved

To answer, you need to bypass the quarantine using rif is fun app or request desktop site

[–]StephenHawkingsEars7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks

[–]TheUrbaneSource1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i think Boost allows one to bypass too, just fyi

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What’s the app again?

[–]TRPCops[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I use rif is fun for android, there are several

[–]Chadster11318 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

The sjw elite is now restricting free speech even more?

[–]theredsperg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

social justice war.

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[–]mechdemon8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Other way around. First you see the game and all its pieces - this is red pill. Then you make a decision: Do you play the game (PUA) or withdraw from the game (MGTOW)?

Same coin. Two sides. Welcome, brothers.

[–]Cvevea31 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes butttt don't fucking join the MGTOW subreddit. Going your own way means not focusing on women. If you go your own way you need to unsub from mgtow trp and anything related. Go on business and lifting subreddits like entreprenuer and fitness. MGTOW subreddits are toxic incels who just love wasting all there time on hating women.

[–]mechdemon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I read both mgtow and redpill, and it is true that as subscribership has grown so has the quality of both declined.

There is a lot of dross to sift through, but there are still good posts in both.

I will admit I find the single mom memes funny though.

[–]silly_birb8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess saying that welfare and quotas for women is stealing money from working men is now considered hate speech.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

While I like a lot of the content that's posted there, MGTOW helps further divide men and women, it is just as bad as the various feminist groups in this regard.

Reminder that there is no "team men" or "team women".

Still, I don't like this bias against the manosphere

[–]MarkJohnPaul12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

Dog there better 100% be team men because I can tell you for damn sure there is a team women.

Feminism is team women. The people that hire unqualified women to be bosses are team women. The media is team women. Fucking presidential candidates catch flack for suggesting they’re not team women. Reddit is team women for the sole fact they quarantine subs that are of any team that isn’t team women.

There’s a general consensus amongst the public these days that everything men do is awful. Not everything people do - just men specifically. So you need to accept the fact, regardless of if you like it, team men exists, and it’s image gets shit on daily by every team outside of it.

[–]TRPCops[S,M] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/e8wpu5/the_red_pill_is_not_about_teamman_but_about_you

No team man and not what TRP is about

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[–]TRPCops[S,M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Anything with a link gets removed, as I said above in the thread. Remove the link and change to archive.is and I'll approve

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

When I say "there is no team men or women" I mean that it shouldn't even exist

[–]MarkJohnPaul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro those meanings aren’t even close to the same don’t play me like that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Gone private

[–]TRPCops[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nope your app just doesn't handle quarantine correctly

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I can visit theredpill without problems though

[–]vullnet1231 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think you need to visit it on desktop and accept the quarantine then you'll be good

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

ah ok. thanks.

[–]TheGillos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

MGTPW, men going their private way

[–]Sin-Silver17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

I remember going on MGTOW the first time I heard about it. I was hoping for a sub about guys focusing on there own lives, missions and ambitions. Instead it was just a sub where hateful people posting stories about newly married men who where gonna get screwed by there spouses.

I just took it for a bunch of sour ragepills and never touched it again

[–]TheXGamers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same

[–]AnneStaz5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did it take this long?

[–]CainPrice17 points18 points  (19 children) | Copy

Finally. A bunch of unfuckable whiners bitching about women need to be hidden from public view. They’re disgusting.

Real men who go their own way would post shit about their successful lives, manly hobbies, personal development, and so on. Men who have gone their own way from women but spend all day obsessing about women are an eyesore.

Too many guys have been fucking around with those losers and being held back. Suppressing them will hopefully help free some guys who actually have potential from that loser group.

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[–]askmrcia5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

As I recall, it went batshit crazy when braincels (or similar) was banned and they migrated to mgtow.

Same thing happened to red pill sub. AskTrp is probably the only good manosphere sub left.

But Red Pill sub got tons of posts like "women are children, women shouldn't vote, women offer nothing but what's between their legs, women can't think logically, ect..."

There were always posts with guys in the "anger phase" every week that was highly upvotted.

I find it funny how people in this sub are acting like the Red Pill sub is any better. Don't even get me started on posts where guys would write paragraphs on how they need to buy a $2k camera to take pictures for tinder.

The one thing I'll give the red pill sub is that it has better mods compared to the MGTOW sub, but there was still a lot of trash being posted.

[–]11-Eleven-112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I go to trp and immediately go to the search bar and only read posts that are over 2 years old and have over 500 upvotes.

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Red pill sub is too often weird theory shit written by some dude whose two doses away from a psychotic break or obvious shit like “hey guys just figured out teasing a woman and making her qualify herself still works in 2020” like he’s a learned master returning to his roots instead of what he actually is, billy beta coming off years of simping and just starting to learn the ropes. Too rarely it’s something not covered in the sidebar but worth incorporating into your life.

[–]askmrcia5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. I can go on and on about how bad the Red Pill sub is at times. You had some good content here and there but a lot of it was edgy teenage fan fic with all the fake field reports or stupid tinder guides.

The basis of MGTOW and Red Pill are fine. When they get hijacked by guys younger then 23 year olds who have no real world experience is when the quality of the two subs go down.

[–]mechdemon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

If you're new to the game, stay a while and listen. Don't go spouting obvious truths like they are amazing revelations - everyone likes the smell of thier own farts. bring it up in a regular thread and start your convo there. If there's a lot of interest maybe you hit on something.

[–]CainPrice9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It wasn't so great even before that.

Hey, if a man is fit, successful, interesting, skilled, and he's fucked 1000 women, but today, right now, he's really busy working on the cure for cancer, so even though lots of women are blowing up his phone asking to have sex with him, he's not investing anything or responding because he's too busy curing cancer - THAT is a man going his own way. He's prioritizing his important mission and choosing not to invest in women.

If a man is ugly and socially awkward and women don't want to have sex with him, this man has not gone his own way. He was -sent- his own way by women. He did not choose not to invest in women. Women chose not to invest in him. He is not acting from a position of power. Women, who have power over him, have chosen his options in life, and he has not chosen anything. He has simply rolled over and accepted the choice women made for him and declared "Fine then! You're not worth it anyway!" He then proceeds to spend all day obsessing over women and bitching about how not worth it they are and how cool he is for realizing that.

The Red Pill is a sexual strategy forum. It's for men to learn how to maximize their sexual outcomes and come out ahead in the game. If it were up to me, every man on The Red Pill who declares that "women aren't worth it" and encourages people not to work on fucking girls would be banned. Because they are encouraging laziness, powerless acceptance of bad outcomes, and immaturity. Adults are supposed to be able to meet their needs. If you can't meet your sexual needs with a woman, you're not an adult yet. You're still a child. It's like not being able to feed yourself or tie your shoes.

[–]pyth0ns3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

This.
That sub began to move FAR away from what MGTOW is truly about.

-Male Suicide
-Male Homelessness
-Male Rape
-False Rape
-Male Abuse
-False Abuse
-Males being shunned for being with their kids
-Males getting destroyed in divorce
-Males being made to be the laughing stock

-Males becoming the best versions of themselves!
-Males learning abilities to be able to watch a brothers six!

-ETC (in this criteria)

Every single post was becoming a 'success story' of how that 'MGTOW' turned down a thot as they're WOKE!...
(I'm SURE it was they, that turned down that thot... /S)

(edit: formatting)

[–]CainPrice4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Even all of that is more of a "men's rights" sort of discussion. If you've really gone your own way (e.g., separated from women and you're no longer investing anything in them), your discussions should be all about your cool-as-shit manly hobbies, all the money you're making, all the gains you're seeing at the gym - man shit. Not women shit. Not society against you shit.

[–]LateralThinker132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even all of that is more of a "men's rights" sort of discussion.

Beat me to it. MGTOW is about checking out of the dating cycle with women. Nothing more or less. Want the other stuff, head over to mensrights sub.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. Nagging into the void about a list of grievances because they don't like football enough to yell at the Patriots.

[–]pyth0ns-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmmmmm - perhaps we have been brought into MGTOW differently.

I, along with others who discuss this matter, never got into MGTOW due to the fact that it's all because of women and all the cool as shit that you now have or now do because of not having woman.

It was about making aware how certain males are constantly shit upon and also becoming the best version of you!

Never made sense to me, that a man couldn't have all their cool shit and cool hobbies when they were with a woman. WTF is exactly stopping you? Why would you need a group on this? Why would you live a life thinking, you can't own or do a certain thing because of woman?

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

We see that sometimes here, some dude bragging about rejecting a thot because she ASD’d or played silly thot games and it’s like; cool dude you’ve “taken the power back” like some woman who just learned about “the patriarchy” but your dick is still dry. Meanwhile the thot just texted the next number down in her phone, she doesn’t care about your moral victory because she has abundance.

It’s just anger phase bullshit, you just gotta hope they learn to play the game and lose the attitude.

[–]TheGillos3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, the sub went to complete shit. Originally I found it good during monk mode, and it was interesting hearing from dudes living fulfilling lives...

... Then every post became low effort memes and anger phase shit that was just jerking off about how awful women are.

I actually got banned from there. Maybe there's a "realMGTOW" sub that doesn't allow any woman bashing. Afterall the opposite love isn't hate, the opposite of love is complete indifference.

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[–]CainPrice2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry, dude. I fuck.

"MGTOW" guys are incels. Below average losers who can't get laid, trying to pretend they have control over their lives.

Women have power over you. Women chose your path for you. And you have confirmed that the women judged you correctly as you passively accepted their path with nothing more than impotent internet rage.

Go back to your hole, incel. A much quieter hole now.

[–]machimus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Last I saw it was a bunch of failed TRP rejects and incels spiraling the drain, bad bad news. They collectively believed anger phase was the desired end state.

[–]ForeverImproving6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Does anyone really give a fuck? That sub was pseudo-incel sub anyways

[–]TRPCops[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This thread is partially a toilet for all the shitposting that will inevitably happen in adjacent subs like ours

[–]Hungboy69694202 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was full of losers who didn't want to change. Good riddance

[–]frontiermarine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It turned into an Incel subreddit anyway, the guys that really went their own way aren't bitching about women 24/7 and are out living their lives.

[–]20charactersrequired1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one to blame but themselves. If they were actually going their own way nothing of this would have happened.

[–]Diche_Bach2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy

Remind me what MGTOW stands for?

[–]TheStoicTao6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

Men going their own way

[–]Diche_Bach4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Interesting. Wiki doesn't paint it in a very positive light

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW /ˈmɪɡtaʊ/) is an anti-feminist, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from a society which they see as harmful to men, and particularly to eschew marriage and cohabitation.[3][4]

The community comprises websites and social media presences as part of what is more broadly termed the manosphere. MGTOW purport to focus on men's self-ownership rather than changing the status quo through activism and protest, which to participants differentiates the community from the men's rights movement.[5][6]

The movement proclaims itself to be associated with the alt-right, although Mark Collett and many others alt-right personalities have strongly criticized the movement for considering it to be against the alt-right ideals such as the increase of traditional or large families, or by its rejection and "grotesque" hostility to white women.[7][8] The white nationalist imprint Counter-Currents Publishing) also wrote that they detect homosexuality in the MGTOW movement.[7] The MGTOW community has been called a misogynistic male supremacist group and identified as being "on the borders of the hateful incel community" by the Southern Poverty Law Center.[9]

[–]botet_fotet14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

‘Alt-right’ and ‘white nationalist.’ Why does everything outside of a 3 centimeter lens get those labels...

[–]NightTripInsights0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you read his website? I just did and he is a blatant unapolagetic white nationalist, and feels like he greatly identifies with alt-right politics and their inner circles.

I get what you mean tho, anything out of the mold is immediately labeled a taboo. But this guy really is those things.

[–]theredsperg5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

the red pill almost destroyed me, for some people it enables them to unshackle themselves from slavery, whilst on the other hand it's made me assess myself as a low person who for a while would be happily 'go my own way'

the bitter rage can be very easy to expose when you're a socially awkward faggot, men go their own way enables young men to take this path instead of one towards social responsibility

[–]Diche_Bach2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seems quite valid!

That phrase "anti-feminist" gives me pause. On the one hand, I fully agree with much of what an hypothetical "feminism" might purport; at least in so far as it would fit within a legitimate "HUMANISM."

But that is the thing isn't it? "Feminism" is generally NOT humanistic; it is misandrist and anti-male, i.e., it mongers hate against around half of humanity. THAT conception of feminism I most certainly cannot condone or support, and I suppose that might make ME an "anti-feminist" according to some.

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like how they threw in “these wignats think it’s “totally gay” lol.

[–]Diche_Bach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"homosexuality detected"

[–]_Icarus_Reborn_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would bother using Wikipedia for anything culture war/Internet related that goes against the progressive orthodoxy to be honest. It's clearly glint to have been edited to paint it in a bad light.

I go there for the memes and some of the decent posts and I would definitely not call it alt-right, are some users alt-right? Most likely. But the sentiment of MGTOW definitely isn't.

[–]McVaghunter2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Masturbators Gathering To Odium Women

[–]Diche_Bach2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

o/\o

[–]MVWeiss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

😂

Come on naw

[–]LateralThinker131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

McVaghunter Gayly Trying Out Wordsmithing (and failing)

[–]11-Eleven-111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, good. That sub was a shit show. I always recommend red pilled men to seperate themselves from mgtow because its a cringey toxic shadow of the original idea.

[–]Thizzlebot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol that's what they get. Fuck those incels. I was banned for calling them out on some bullshit so this is hilarious.

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[–]GlarflBarfl-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Really? Much Worse?

I went on to MGTOW and found multiple posts talking about how “Evil” women are and how inferior they are.Shitting on the entire group of people.And this opinion was shared by the majority.

Dating strategies however was much better.Instead of completely hating an entire group of people,they blamed themselves and focused on self worth and improvement.Going much more their own way than the supposed MGTOW.

[–]Ordinary-West0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who cares, just a big bunch of loser men, of which half was incels larping.

[–]SavorThePill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bah, these subs are beginning to eat themselves anyway. I regret to see it happening throughout the rest of the manosphere. Not sure about you guys, but I'm seeing some odd and downright shameful behavior being tolerated in the community. This isn't bad because I look favorably upon acts of intolerance, but because the sort of intolerance from TRP was wielded as a means to teach; as a means to set things straight.

I didn't even mention the petty arguments and bickering over ridiculous nonsense that seem to sprout up everywhere now. What happened to men who learned how take criticism, or knew better than to cock off for no apparent reason?

I suppose it's a sign of the times. The decline is real, yet it seems to be affecting some of us in different ways, such as our mindsets or our spirits.

I shudder to think of the effeminate and impotent world our children will be born into (you know, if Western civilization doesn't commit reproductive suicide...). Still, I accept the fact that entropy is our destiny.

[–]dielawnz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL, "quarentine" the epitome of MGTOW.

[–]bogrotip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mgtow used to be good but turned into a blackpill shithole more and more after braincels was gone. Whereareallthegoodmen is pretty much headed down that way now too

[–]XT3M30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good. that sub has been horrible for a while since the new age "MGTOW" People started doing it. you arent hoing your own way if women never wanted you anyway

[–]Herdsengineers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Too many angry incels in there. True MGTOW aren't angry, they're happy dudes.

[–]Borsao660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, not surprised.

I woke up one morning banned from participating and no reason given. Followed the rules religiously and never posted anything toxic. But there was plenty of questionable crap and moderation was pretty much non-existent and unresponsive.

Trying to care but ZFG.

[–]1Red_Pill_Brotherhood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most MGTOW are nothing more than guys who cant get laid. The term itself may not be that but most of the guys who attach themselves to the label are sexually frustrated guys who aren't getting women and use it as a coping mechanism. That said, they do share quite a few viewpoints with the TRP/manosphere in general even though the overarching premise is checking out of the dating game(although some of them claim there are levels 1-5 to MGTOW and low level MGTOW can still hookup and even be in a relationship just not a marriage or kids. I call bullshit there. MGTOW is what those guys calls level 3 and above).

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I got banned from MGTOW because some guy posted a before and after gym progress shot for 6 months and he'd made insane progress. It seemed too much to be real so I questioned it, not even in an assholish way. Got permabanned.

MGTOW forum complains about other subs banning them but is also very quick with the ban hammer. Up to that point I had a history of posting MGTOW friendly posts. I still browse there but can't post!

As you can tell I'm still sore about it lol

[–]muricanwerewolf1-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

When I was a kid, I was incredibly introverted. Social interaction was scary and confusing. So at school, when everybody else was talking and socializing, I would retreat into a book and ignore everybody. That’s what MGTOW is, a cope because these men can’t handle the game, can’t make it work. Which is fine, do you baby boo, but TRP is optimistic, about dealing with reality on its own terms and still getting what you want. Comfort zones are not Red Pill.

[–]MsCrazyPants700 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

ld retreat into a book and ignore everybody.

I too retreated into books as a kid, and don't see how MGTOW or the Red Pill have to do with that.

[–]muricanwerewolf10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It’s aight doggy, not everybody has a firm grasp of analogy.

[–]MsCrazyPants700 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

annnnd, that just explained a lot. Enjoy whatever dementia world you've built.

[–]Stupyyy-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

lmfao MGTOW got labeled as a hate group!

[–]Number1sun-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Trps gone mgtows gone, now what's our new sub going to be?



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