Type of girl that I pull and type of girl that I want to girlfriend are vastly different. How do I switch gears to evolve and and get a quality girl?

universalproduct · 2015-06-09T21:50:32+00:00

Bro you don't go to the lake to fish for swordfish, location, location, location.

abdada · 2015-06-09T19:57:07+00:00

To me, being associated socially with insecure women is something I avoid like the plague. A man is judged by the company he keeps, and if all you do is bang morons, is it any surprise your reputation keeps you connected to losers? Even if they're hot, she's still a loser.

Avoid women who drink regularly (or in my case, at all). Find women with actual jobs that aren't retail or bartending or worse. Look for women who don't NEED a roommate -- or ones who actually own a small condo.

Day game. @ Whole Foods or during l unch in the corporate area.

relationshipdownvote · 2015-06-09T20:03:58+00:00

If you don't like what you're reeling in, fish in another pond. I'm guessing you're hitting on chicks at clubs? Step your day game up.

Invalidity · 2015-06-09T20:35:20+00:00

This is one of the few areas where men and women encounter the same situations: you look for two qualities in the opposite sex, but find an abundance of one or the other, never both.

The only viable strategy is similar to the female Dual Mating strategy: you fuck the hot ones and keep the higher quality ones with you. The best strategy is to find a girl with a pretty face and great character, and mold her physically and fundamentally into someone you desire.

asianmasaccount · 2015-06-10T07:43:17+00:00

Maybe I have something to offer here. I typically only get with smart girls and girls who value intelligence (my friend joked once that the average verbal SAT score of the girls I hook up with is definitely over 720).

This is because of both my preference and who I am, and for most people those things are probably hopelessly entangled. I'm basically a nerdy Asian dude at heart but who learned the game and went to the weight room and gained confidence. A big part of my approach still flaunts intelligence and I have the real world education credentials to back this up.

My first guess for you is that it's probably a demographic thing. There are a ton of smart girls in my environment. If this isn't the case for you then a different setting could be warranted.

Second is maybe your approach? So the way I talk to people in everyday life, I've been told it can feel a bit cerebral and intense. Over the years I've learned to tone in down when I need to (which is often). With girls, I follow RP principles pretty well (it was a really tough adjustment at first, haha) , but at the same time I never really miss an opportunity to delve into an intellectual topic or make a "sharp" joke. These situations give her a chance to prove herself to you mentally. To be honest its one of the main things I screen for because I get really bored with people I can't have a good conversation with.

I basically think about it as showing "flashes" of how I naturally talk/think and seeing how she reacts. I've had plenty of girls react badly and tanked a lot of dates because of this, but that's just the price of doing business.

The point is, to get a smart girl I think you have to go to a place where they are likely to be and also screen for that particular trait. The screening will necessarily narrow your field and make you loose some girls you might have gotten before. This all requires you to actually be an intelligent and eloquent person yourself.

Literally every single girl I've been with has compared me favorably to the typical guy who "isn't interesting and can't hold a conversation." Compared to European and especially Asian culture, American culture reaaaaallllly heavily discourages intellectualism in males but not so much in females. So smart girls who want a guy they can relate to are actually a bit of an "open field".

Incidentally, my friend keeps encouraging me to stop using my "smart-cocky-funny-elite-educated-asian with a good enough side of everything else" algorithm and just once get a girl without flaunting intelligence. He says it would be a good exercise and a way to become more well rounded. Haha, so basically I'm going the opposite direction as you.

Kind of reading what your original post says. Back before I knew how to tone down the way I talked, I was actually not at all charming to most girls, but to the really smart ones I was EXTREMELY charming. This may relate to the fact that my cutoff was too high and also that there are always going to be more dumb people than smart people in the world. So I do agree maybe your approach needs a bit of reworking. Haha it's hard though. Reworking an already successful social algorithm is the fucking worst.

If you want to take the time to dig through my comment history, I fleshed out this approach a little more in the context of using tinder.

Cyralea · 2015-06-09T21:34:24+00:00

This is a hard one. At some point in your life may come a time when you decide that companionship and family are the most important things. That was me roughly 2 and a half years ago. Used to fuck a handful of plates, but honestly the novelty of it grew thin. There were days where you'd feel an emptiness despite banging different chicks.

Not going to lie, it's a bit of a sacrifice. A good LTR prospect, and even moreso a good motherhood candidate are going to bear different characteristics to girls who are simply fun lays. My girl is great, extremely receptive, but I'm lying if I said she's the best I've had.

You can use TRP all the same to bag the higher quality girls, women are women. Need to make sure your own priorities are in order and that you can tolerate fucking the same chick indefinitely. Just look for them in places that you wouldn't expect a bar slut to be.

usul1628 · 2015-06-09T21:14:12+00:00

I think a change of venue is in order. Start doing some volunteer work on weekend mornings, that's where the kind of girls you might want to marry can be found. Just being there shows several good wife qualities (discipline to be up and active early when she doesn't have to be, nurturing and helpful to others)

Ifuckinglovepron · 2015-06-10T02:39:58+00:00

Try shit like rock climbing, charity bike rides,volunteering etc.

Do shit that brings in these type of chicks, not going to bars.

Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiLriAetVPU

u-r-silly · 2015-06-10T12:19:39+00:00

While all the girls I've pulled are 7s/8s/9s, their brains are about 1-6s.

That is part of the reasons that you can pull them, imo. Dumb bitches with low self respect regarding their sexuality and such.

You want a hot girl that has also a very nice character, is intelligent/smart, is responsible and all? Too bad, she already found her husband at school where she got her master. And in the case she still didn't, she clearly wouldn't frequent a bar or a club, would be on a dating site, but would never reply to your text game, cause you'd need to be more sophisticated. (and not in the fedora sense)

She wouldn't openly be a slut, she would reserve her slutty behaviour in private for her boyfriend, which she'd have very low chance to cheat on because she got enough will to not listen to her tingles. She proably wouldn't have tingles just over some muscles as well. You'd need to show her you're someone worthy. And that takes some time, time without getting sex from her, time TRP tells you to not waste on her.

Basically, she'd know how to make a man commit to her, and here we tell you to not.

If you want to get a girlfriend like that, you should probably forget about RP dating strategies. Keep the RP inside as a self improvement thing, frame still important etc... but the general "be an asshole cause it's polarizing" thing will get you ignored. Again, she'd want commitment and is confident she can get it.

Now if you really want that, you'd have to find your way of being worthy to her. You still need to be higher SMV. But ask yourself, what is valuable for that kind of girl.

the99percent1 · 2015-06-10T04:45:16+00:00

There is a Chinese proverb "The ugly wife is a treasure at home".

It would do you well to read the book.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2015-06-10T13:50:34+00:00

I’ll tell you what dude. I tend to pull the opposite type of girl. 6s with ‘great personalities’. I’ve hooked up with/dated artists, scientists, engineers, accountants, volunteers, outdoors types…

All intelligent, interesting women in their own right.

All of them were still women. The same rules apply. They shit test. They are hypergamous. They are turned off by beta behavior. They want to be dominated in bed. They want to talk for hours without saying anything.

As nice as it is to have a good conversation from time to time, they are just as annoying as the ‘bar sloots’ that you grow tired of for most of the same reasons.

Thinking that there is a different type of girl out there who isn't like the others is blue pill 101.

nomad-oz · 2015-06-10T12:20:27+00:00

When I met a group of women I would enjoy taking down the Alpha Woman of the group. I would do this to get access to the hot one. Since I wasn't interested in the AW I stood up to her shit tests and teased her. I found the AW is usually the smartest of the group, the most sensible one. If she liked you she would continue the banter, cutting out the hot one.

Occasionally the AW is a professional and attractive. She is single because she intimidates most men. Her number is low because she has genuine high standards, not false entitlement. This is the woman you are looking for. If she has a giving and caring nature . You have found a unicorn.

plentyoffishes · 2015-06-10T15:06:34+00:00

Not sure why you need to have sexual tension with your sister in law. That's kind of creepy don't you think?

Getting higher quality women will mean not settling for lower quality ones. ONSs with vapid 8s & 9s gets boring. Who cares? Some of them aren't even good at sex anyway. It becomes not only a waste of time, but eventually a knock on your own self esteem if you are around these types regularly.

You just need different venues. If you're online dating, close all your accounts. If you go to bars and clubs, switch to higher level events (like art, yoga, formal dancing, etc) to meet women. Coffee shops and other daytime venues are great too.

You will probably bang fewer, but the quality you get access to is much higher.

And of course, inner game is everything here.

[deleted] · 2015-06-10T16:55:13+00:00

For me apart from daygame it was largely stuff like rock climbing and tough mudder.

They're fit, have careers, and can reason... Up to a point (but far beyond your "typical" girl). Just don't expect conversation on Geo-Political scene in Eurasia and you're good to go.

rpscrote · 2015-06-10T16:58:13+00:00

hey man. I do serial STR lately. What I found works for me is social circle game. Look for girls with careers but that aren't married to the job. Professional/higher skill. Job loyalty predicts partner loyalty, at least loosely.

Quality chicks dont advertise themselves the way bangable easy chicks do. The onus is 100% on you to go find them.

I would also suggest dance classes, you can find some younger girls looking to learn how to dance for fun but its a great place to game too.

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kingofpoplives · 2015-06-09T20:19:11+00:00

Now that I want a confident girl with a brain, how can I evolve my game to start landing these girls?

Like attracts like, so I would bet that there is some sort of insecurity within you that is making you a match for these insecure women. You'd do well to search for the root there...

I don't want her, but I want a woman like her. And my problem is, is my game completely hits a wall when I interact with her.

How does your game "hit a wall"? I think it would help us understand what's happening if you elaborate more on this, and why you think it carries over to all confident/intelligent women.

You should also reassess what you are filtering for when you meet and approach women. If you filter for "easiest to bang" or "hottest sex" you are going to wind of with a completely different set of women than if you filter for "solid career" or "high self esteem".

If you want to meet a different type of woman than you've previous been meeting, you'll probably need to reset your filters and change your pick up spots to come into contact with this new type.

You also need to rethink how you manage the relationship -- insecure women will be attracted to asshole-ish/dominant behavior that puts off more confident/successful women because these women are more dominant themselves. A lot of them actually prefer beta-ish personalities (though not sexually).

BlaiseDB · 2015-06-10T03:10:35+00:00

Internet dating (not Tinder) lets you pre-screen women based on how they write. Plus you usually get a picture, information on their career field, and associated likes a dislikes. For me it has been a mixed bag but I have hooked up with more than my fair share of pretty, smart, confident professionals.

Polaris382 · 2015-06-10T04:42:57+00:00

Some good advice in here. Im my case the times it has happened...it kind of just did unexpectedly. I know that isnt helpful at all though.

Digital_Yar · 2015-06-10T08:29:09+00:00

Best strategy to find "the other type" of woman is to do things that such a person would do in her free time. Tinder and disco pubs are by definition activities that people engage with the porpouse of meeting someone, a female who spends her free time looking for a mate has good chances to be a needy person. As a general rule: during no-brain activities will meet no-brain people

If you are looking for a confident, smart, fast, sharp person, try doing stuff like language classes, dancing tango, astronomy hiking, acting for an amateurs theater company and so on.. Such activities are more likely to present you plates with that profile, people who are there to enjoy the activity rather than finding a mate will not try that hard to prove themself to you, also girls who are "just there" are not that good in complex tasks with long-term reward (like studying constellations and hiking for 2 hours in the dark with a telescope on your back, or memorizing 50 pages of dialogue).

on the other end, a girl/woman that's more interested in playing piano than finding a boyfriend won't be a 10, that requires hours at the gym and makeup that such a person isn't willing to waste, she'll also not be much interested in dread game and emotional rollecoaster, not because she's an unicorn (AWALT, always remember that) but because she gets the bumps from her passion rather than from random guys.

list of few more ideas for "hunting grounds" by type of plate (i tried to put em in a vertical list):

-One night stand/short relationship

pubs, bowling, internet dates (tinder, facebook, meetic etc.), shopping mauls, gym, swimming pool, beach, stadyum, concert, cinema (depends on the movie though), theme parks

wife material:

astronomy associations, language classes, cooking evening lessons, groups which organize long hikings or travels to exotic countries, chess associations, endurance/extreme sports competitions, theater amateur companies, martial arts

Miiich · 2015-06-10T12:00:36+00:00

As my uncle told me. At a party you will find party girls.

Now that doest mean that at party's they are all low-self esteem, but as you said the low-self esteem ones are the easy ones to spin and will beg for you approval.

In your situation I would consider going after the ones that require more effort. If she was a good companion, even at a party, but she didn't come begging for your approval there might be more to her, which also will require more effort from your side. I am not necessarily talking increasing SMV, but it might just be shifting on what you look for. Now careful to not be spun by her.

I would also start looking around at places that have your interest, like a certain sport or hobby, music or other cultural interest.

Not trying to lecture, just sharing my thoughts.

monzzter221 · 2015-06-10T13:42:13+00:00

Dude, that's just women in general.

You're just going to have to run through 100 of them before you find one that you like the way you want it. And even then you have to stay on your game.

I'm not saying there is "one", to clarify, or that some are special, I'm saying 99% of bitches are downright stupid and one dimensional.

[deleted] · 2015-06-10T15:17:48+00:00

I'm sensing a lot of NAWALT in these comments. Who would have thought?? Austrian author Lodovico Satana puts women into two rough categories of HSE (High Self Esteem) and LSE (Low Self Esteem), saying HSE girls are rarer and harder to game while LSE girls should be avoided as LTR. I always wondered why this is never mentioned here or in the seduction forums.

HeadingRed · 2015-06-10T15:54:09+00:00

"She doesn't take my brother's shit and she doesn't give him any shit."

That, in my opinion, is the hardest to find. Easy to find one of the other.

AK27ABROAD · 2015-06-17T09:44:39+00:00

Just wanted to point out that you're on point with not wanting a stupid HB10. There's evidence that cognition/intelligence genes are on the X chromosome. Your sons (should you want children) will only get an x chromosome from the mother. Stupid mother = stupid sons.

NOT a risk I'm willing to take.

SrPildoraRoja · 2015-06-10T03:36:07+00:00

I think the problem is where you're looking for this type of girl. I'm not saying you should go to libraries or alike to find a woman who's more complex intellectually speaking, but check if the women you're dating/gaming have similar backgrounds.

I sense because your brother's wife is the kind of woman you like but remains immune to your charms you extrapolate this to every woman who is confident, smart, funny, etc (the type of woman you feel attracted to). She not showing anything can simply be the fact that she's very good covering how she feels or any tingle you may give her, and the fact you're her husband's brother (maybe she has strong moral sense). But I disagre that RP works best on insecure and unconfident girls, since all woman on a primal level are exactly the same.

Luckyluke23 · 2015-06-10T06:22:27+00:00

it's funny. I'm a guy who can't get women and who really desperately wants to, but from all the guys that make it to where you are... they always come up with the same problem... I'm bored of them, or I have too many. ( not sure if it's good or bad)

Trpdoc · 2015-06-10T04:32:10+00:00

Trpdoc here with a PSA. Don't get down on yourself about not gaming a nurse. As a doctor I can say I've never met a nurse that is worth being in an LTR with. They have shit jobs where they sit and complain and gossip all day. The ones that work in the icu that are good think they are special gifts but basically do the same shit. They just follow protocols never use their minds. Never get with a nurse, not worth it. We used to bang them, never LTR one, they are very low on the totem pole and have complexes about it.

[deleted] · 2015-06-10T01:07:29+00:00

Be places where top shelf women are, don't let those top shelf women see your hand or the shit plates you spun or any social artifacts of the basic bitches you were fucking before you decided to switch gears.

Church, book stores and a somewhat gender neutral hobby where you can meet people.

This might sound weird but it's not uncommon for interesting and good men to have interesting and good sisters, so cover up the shitty tail chasing when around all new contacts even men just in case.

I might be biased here but I met high school girlfriend through a buddy at school, christian school and the reason that didn't lead to marriage was why I'm here today, I was beta as fuck and had no clue what I was doing.

jx234 · 2015-06-09T21:56:40+00:00

I'm interested to know why you say you won't make a move on her? If she ticks all your boxes..

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