Betas are dangerous

CarnivOre93 · 2017-08-21T18:42:02+00:00

Why the fuck did you give your friend's wife a foot massage?

[deleted] · 2017-08-21T18:47:44+00:00

On the path to mastery you will fuck up many times. Embrace it by learning from it. "Guilt, Shame" doesn't serve you. So don't pay attention to those and rather accept what you have done, pride yourself in having done a mistake and grown from it which will aid you on the next step of your path.

SilverGryphon · 2017-08-21T19:44:35+00:00

Just be more direct with your feelings. I used to have shame in showing my true intentions until I started asking my self what's the worse that can happen?

You see two nice girls at the bar? Try and come up with excuse to talk to them. What's the worse that could happen? They might ignore you or laugh at you but I'm sure they will forget about you in less than 2 minutes. Never did I encounter anyone who yelled aloud: "hey check this dude out he tried to chat those two chick up but failed badly, what a loser!"

You know a cute girl who is available? Just ask her if she wants to hang out. What's the worse that could happen? She says no and you remain acquaintances. She friend-zones you and you ghost her. Your life, job and health certainly won't be harmed.

I have been rejected countless times but my job, health and life are still intact and in good shape. Yes I have been laughed at in clubs and bars and once even the bouncers started laughing at me, but they all forgot about the whole ordeal within seconds.

Most of the times women would just engage in small chitchat with you or politely ignore you.

MattyAnon · 2017-08-21T20:55:38+00:00

In a nice guys mind, perfection and "doing it right" are realistic goals.

Yup.... this is because women pretend that there is a way to "do it right" that will give the keys to her heart/vagina.

She'll say you need to "read the signs" and "just be yourself" and "happy wife happy life", but on closer inspection you'll realise she's being ambiguous, communicating unclearly, and running her life to maximise her beta orbiters, Chad opportunities and future husband marrying chances. Simultaneously. It's why what they say makes complete and perfect sense.... until you think about it.

Men get caught up in "doing it the right way", never realising what a lie it is. There is no right way. It's a battle. Your attractiveness and resources weighed up against what she brings to the table. You want her sex as cheaply as possible. She wants your resources as cheaply as possible and/or your genes if you're top 10%. Such is the game. There isn't a stable, safe, nice way to do it that benefits both parties... if you aim for this, you'll be trapped in a passionless relationship right from the start.

because he constantly seeks their approval

Yeah, women sense and exploit this. If she gets a whiff that you need her approval, you'll be hit with disapproval until you do what she wants, and then she'll hand out tiny tidbits of approval to get you addicted and coming back for more.

AncientScrolls · 2017-08-21T23:25:30+00:00

When we were boys, we sought mommy's approval and were rewarded with love.

Betas never learn Act 2

How to love women as A Man, not a boy

seattleron · 2017-08-21T20:45:26+00:00

Yes they can be. Elliot Rodger is a prime example.

Also, a fucking foot massage? Man, you're gonna get thrown out of a window someday for that.

Work_In_Progress92 · 2017-08-21T20:03:44+00:00

I read this book in a single day because right off the bat I recognized that this was me. I was amazed how accurately I fit the bill of the Nice Guy.

And instead of being woe is me about it, I said to myself not anymore. Fuck that and that I am killing the beta within me.

empatheticapathetic · 2017-08-21T20:27:02+00:00

Hit the nail on the head with the oneitises. I make any girl who doesn't treat me like garbage into my oneitis.

menial_optimist · 2017-08-21T23:36:18+00:00

You gave your friend's wife a foot massage? Lol I hope you know they laugh at your ass behind your back, silly ass beta shit right there.

BendAndSnap- · 2017-08-21T21:21:04+00:00

So, this is not really the full truth. You can be both alpha in how you interact with other people and still beta to her. There are good women out there who have never felt "that important" due to years of emotional abuse due to young men being selfish and self-serving. You can suck up to one every now and again and she'll reward you because you made her feel beautiful. It's really just a line you walk. I know when I'm with some girls, I just drop my voice and act uncaring and they like it. With others, I'll be smooth and let them know I'm into them and want to worship that ass. You just have to be able to be adaptable. I don't mind being used for sex.

IkWhatUDidLastSummer · 2017-08-21T20:53:21+00:00

What scares me the most is that normal, "what seems to be" rational men practicing common sense are capable of becoming so pussy whipped that they become beta to the core. The biggest mistake you can make is to put pussy on a piedestal, because if you do that all of your actions will reflect it.

Right now im witnessing a great friend of mine practically giving up everything he loves for this new girlfriend, he quit basketball to spend more time with her, he puts all his money and earnings into this girl, even though he was saving up money for new stuff for himself. Like last weekend he showed her his paycheck (like 5000$ or so but why would u show it anyway, keep ur money to urself) and told her that they could go buy more materialistic stuff for the house (bear in mind this dude doesnt give a fuck about materialism, paintings, furniture, if he did it would obviously be way different but this just goes to show EVERYTHING is on her terms because she constantly wants new stuff for the house). On top of that he said he would buy her a new dress for the upcoming party they were attending, great, throw more money at her. You know what the first thing she did was after he told her he was letting her have a dress? She called 3-4 of her friends and said: weeeee [Insert_friends_name_here] is letting me have a dress, isnt he just nice! What a great way to get some further validation for his valiant materialistic efforts and so she can show what a great BB she has. I could probably write 10.000 words about blue and red pill theory regarding their relationship thats how fucked up it is, and this is not just a "special case" because AWALT. She also shittests him constantly - like all the time and hamsters and rationalizes everything.

The other day she wanted him to build a new table for the house, he is not very handy by nature and they dont really need a new table so he was a bit skeptic about it, but then she added: "You are a real man if you can do it and i will be sooo proud of you. And it matters alot to me, isnt the most important thing that it makes me happy? Maybe you get some vagina tonight as well" ...and 2 hours later he was in the clueless process of constructing a table he doesnt give a fuck about while she was out in town with her friends having fun. And i thought this guy was pretty rational and had common sense, because he always talked to me about how ridiculous he found people who hooked up after just 1 month of talking, he literally just hooked up with this girl after knowing her for 2 weeks after she got dumbed by another guy and now he conforms to all of her expectatons. This relationship just consolidated everything about RP/BP theory, how materialistic women are, how AF/BB is true, how bluepilled and pussy whipped some men can be if they get a consistent source to pussy, and how ridiculously solipsistic some women are. This woman is very high maintenance btw and is always hamstering, like last weekend she would call her mom and ask her why her mom got her sister so much for her birthday "mom why is my sister getting 140$ for her birthday she shouldnt have more than 80$ and a bucket of flowers" like can you imagine being salty because your mom gives your OWN SISTER something and you feel more entitled to it. Shes decent looking but high maintenance solipsistic personalities are just a no go for so many reasons, if anyone can be bothered i'll happily explain why by elaborating my point further but i feel like ive just been rambling. Jesus christ its ridiculous.

sc1690 · 2017-08-21T21:29:26+00:00

OP stop drinking so much you act like this. It shows major lack of control and weakness in front of women.

Schroef · 2017-08-22T06:40:27+00:00

I have had a lot of anxiety the last few days which boils down to my fear that his wife will approve of me less than she did before.

Yeah, see, I feel this is what happens a lot with people on here: they think they "lost frame", and they'll work harder on not doing that in the future.

You didn't lose frame, you were yourself. You're still insecure. Or beta, or bluepill, or however you wanna call it. Alcohol lowers the inhibitions, and it made you show your true self.

So please: don't work on 'strengthening your frame', it is trying to patch a symptom. Address the cause: your insecurity. This is the only way to being actually happy and with girls.

wisty · 2017-08-22T02:19:21+00:00

Note, that while the Nice Guy is driven by fear and insecurity, they can use Nice Guy Logic to rationalise this as feminism:

Indirectness (don't want to objectify women)
Nearly all actions based on fear of rejection (need explicit consent before even asking a woman for coffee in an elevator)
An obsessive deeply rooted belief to seek approval, especially from women (they want women to tell them they're being good feminists)
That their own needs are not as important as a womans (nuff said)

There's probably also redpillers who have these issues, studying TRP really hard so they get it right before asking a woman out.

I dunno though. Does behaviour, logic, or emotion come first? Do people do fucked up shit and have fucked up beliefs because of fucked up emotions, or is it the other way round? Obviously it's a classic chicken and egg problem. Maybe that doesn't matter - it's just a question of which one is easier to modify - behaviour, beliefs, or emotions.

vitringur · 2017-08-21T23:28:33+00:00

But why are they dangerous? They sound way less threatening than alphas.

circlhat · 2017-08-22T09:20:54+00:00

Nice guys are direct and genuine and they do get girls and marriage and continue to get treated like crap

ScottDisdik · 2017-08-22T11:47:50+00:00

I'm reading a lot of comments here that are on the lines of .. "Don't feel shame, guilt" .. Nah .. Learn from the cringe, embrace the cringe and you'll never succumb to this ridiculous behavior again.

Wheysteve · 2017-08-22T04:16:31+00:00

Massaging another man's wife's feet can get you killed...pulp fiction reference

DoomsdayDweeb · 2017-08-22T18:06:02+00:00

What a load of rubbish the O.P. He's just blame shifting onto 'Beta's for their failings with women. The beta being...I presume... the average guy. Not tall, muscular, sexy, high status?

What about the guys that drive our trams or taxi's, work as our chefs, our barmen? What about us that can never be 6ft tall, high-status, social butterflies with model hair? Do we only deserve whales and dirty looks and mistreatment? How does our society keep afloat when all the lower to mid status jobs with average looking men see no point in life if they're despised by women for not being hot, higher status etc?

I get it; in your conception, women are simply blank-slate, semi-autonomous vessels without agency or capacity to independently reject men on their own level of attractiveness and social status. They reject you... because of your 'beta-ness'. How convenient.

White nationalists would be far better off cleaning house before going on the offensive. SWPL white women are some of the strongest proponents-- and biggest beneficiaries-- of feminism and white misandry / male hatred. They adore it, they revel in it, even the "traditional conservatives." And collectively, they, rightly or wrongly, rationally or preduicially, despise you if you are an average-looking or god forbid ugly white guy. No one is forcing them to act this way, they've been socially conditioned to.

I've been witnessed for quite some time that male 'personality variety' is under threat. Introverts are utterly hated, non-athletic slim men are hated, short men are hated, young bald men are hated, intelligent men that out-compete women are hated and they're seen as misognstic dickwads. We've got to bow down to them and their feminist express train. I've been thinking for quite some time how repulsive the career and id-driven modern Anglo woman is. Nothing matters to her but her own vanity. She aborts 1.6 million children a year. She gets liked 500 times a month for noting more than posting a selfie. That's more than the number of people who die from heart disease, cancer, and accidents combined. If that isn't a symptom of a suicidal society I don't know what is.

A stark contrast leaps into my face when I travel and see women who still realize family is more important than a rubber stamp "degree" from Fill In The Blank University, landing a position as another corporate lapdog and "marrying" herself to the top Chad of the corporation by day, and "whoring" herself to the Chad personal trainer on tinder at night.

It's truly a grotesque thing to see when an attractive-enough female wastes the best years of her life status whoring, cock carouseling, man-hating guys on her own level, and corporate boot-licking then ends up childless and barren on plentyoffish at the age of 39. To hell with it all.

Cheupez · 2017-08-22T11:48:44+00:00

I get your general flow on this but it is important to caution guys that being direct is one thing you cannot be with ladies. Ladies, the fuckable ones at least, know you want to fuck them. You can usually make it very clear that you intend to without saying it directly.

walkingthelinux · 2017-08-22T12:56:51+00:00

So, when will you be deleting this post? You know, the one where you ended by describing your sickening and beta supplication behavior towards your FRIEND'S WIFE?

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-08-21T20:15:52+00:00

Definition of the word "Nice"

Middle English (in the sense ‘stupid’): from Old French, from Latin nescius ‘ignorant,’ from nescire ‘not know.’ Other early senses included ‘coy, reserved,’ giving rise to ‘fastidious, scrupulous’: this led both to the sense ‘fine, subtle’ (regarded by some as the “correct” sense), and to the main current senses.

So two hundred years ago if you were part of the aristocracy you might say:

"Come here peasant. Be a nice chap and take my horse back to the stables and give it a good cleaning."

The peasant is taught that being "nice" means having good morals.

But the aristocrat has inverted the meaning and his understanding is that he is addressing a stupid and ignorant peasant.

The peasant didn't know being a Nice Guy™ is an insult.

Nice has always meant Stupid and Ignorant.

At least going back a few hundred years anyway.

ranigma · 2017-08-22T09:43:04+00:00

Is cold approaching the only way to make progress here? Even a little bit? Im at the bottom of the barrel here.

spcarlin · 2017-08-22T10:43:29+00:00

It's good you're honest with yourself, like they say, the first step to solving a problem is knowing you have one. Writing it out helps too, makes it real, just remember to write down some good things about yourself too, don't only look at your bad habits, like the fact you're willing to recognise your own faults

shakespeareSMG · 2017-08-22T13:17:00+00:00

Sounds like you could have sex with her. Depends on how much you value your friendship. Foot massages are intimate.

Hypergamy--of course--and that is one of the most erotic points to touch on a woman. There is this one spot that activates her arousal like a button.

mdcrubengonza · 2017-08-22T13:53:25+00:00

Some women will not be interested in you. Like I am sure a woman who is the equivalent of Shrek will not garner any attraction from you. Avoiding the friendzone by developing a "strong frame" and "not giving a fuck" will have been for not if your target is a super model that is CLEARLY outside of your dating range.

Sometimes TRP advocates things that are clearly facetious for the sake of deception.

Dmva100 · 2017-08-22T14:06:52+00:00

Betas are dangerous, and odds are, your DA and local officers are all beta. Even if they were Alpha, they probably wouldn't have the balls, or the reason really, to stick up for you for the sake of their ego investments.

lmfaoneckbeards · 2017-08-22T14:25:29+00:00

What the fuck did I just read? You are not suited to give 'alpha' advice. You are clearly some middle aged Beta who thinks posting on this sub will somehow alleviate his obvious symptoms of discontent.

human_bean_ · 2017-08-22T15:15:28+00:00

Beta is just a strategy. Being a sneaky backstabbing fucker, putting up a fake veneer, will often work a lot better than being honest, direct and straight forward.

Shaman6624 · 2017-08-23T07:14:48+00:00

Yesterday I was home while my girl was working so I did some cleaning and housework. In the evening she annoyed me so I cut off contact for the evening. Then I couldn't help but feel a little betrayed because I did so much for the household that day and I felt like she still didn't respect me. So I also still have some nice guy connections in my head I guess. But isn't it normal to expect someone to show respect if you lead through action and help move the household forward.

Redpillbrigade17 · 2017-08-23T23:29:39+00:00

Yeah stop posting shit and over analyzing- go DO. Keep a track record if you want and make it a game. You will become good at it and laugh at your own self and how much of a newbie you were. There is no other way. Go do. Go approach. Go fail. That's how you grow.

PantsonFire1234 · 2017-08-24T16:07:31+00:00

I find that I always have issues with beta males or men with beta traits comparable to women. Meanwhile the most alpha guys I know I have zero problems with. Alpha men are a breath of fresh air and should be savored.

cobra_viper · Tue Aug 22 0:48:53 2017 UTC

You're a fucking Chad. You got drunk with your friend and his wife and went for it.

Fucking hell, you're the problem.

PinHunter65 · 2017-08-21T20:25:43+00:00

Why bother approach when you'll just be rejected? No one wants to go whaling.

Title	Betas are dangerous
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