‘No means no’ and sexual assault

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June 30, 2020
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So I saw this post on Instagram today https://imgur.com/zZ8ZpSr

This got me thinking. Am I supposed to get a written contract every time I wanna fuck?

I feel like there’s no line between sexual assault and casual sex anymore, and it completely undermines the integrity of genuine rape/sexual assault.

Men have to think about all these things when fucking these days, and how does lmr now fit into the way the world is changing?

Just looking for opinions of other red pilled brothers.

Thanks


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Title ‘No means no’ and sexual assault
Author rosesmellikepoopoo
Upvotes 70
Comments 95
Date 30 June 2020 12:31 PM UTC (9 months ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/701211
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/himgkf/no_means_no_and_sexual_assault/
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[–]FirstName_LastName4109 points110 points  (11 children) | Copy

What i do, is when there is the slightest clue of possible discomfort, i stop or say "do you want me to stop"

The best example i had was this girl i knew off of tinder, took me to her place, we were making out and i started going to finger her and She says "what are you doing" so i just stopped and Said "do you want me to stop?" And She told me to keep going.

Tried to fuck but she resistes, so we didnt (maybe if i had insisted i could have, but its too risky). Ended up getting the best BJ of my life

[–]EdvardMunch7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I fear this will always be an issue with casual sex or poor communication and people being human.

This issue will only get resolved with grow for us all. When were young and dumb, emotional, confused, inexperienced, etc. Its almost like what the fuck can you say?

Very rarely are these encounters like a violent horror movie. A guy I know tried to caress a girl he knew awake for sex, which is definitely a no no, but in that situation on drugs he probably didnt see it as 'harmful'. It was labeled as sexual assault but that word sounds like he forced her with physical harm and violence.

And ive know girls who some guys feel they gotta press around to find the magic buttons because they are banging other dudes so why not them?

This is why TRP is important in my mind. Not to manipulate but to understand how to read and communicate better. Call it a symptom of patriarchal establishments, as much as I hate saying that word there is truth in guys having that blindness to treat others as functions to their limited worldview. Ever meet 4 teenage boys in a suv? Thats like the worst shit ever.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Teenage boys are the worst, I know, I used to be one 🤣

[–]EdvardMunch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Same. I havent seen or heard about mooning in forever but that was on the regular in my teenage years.

[–]Dimenzije9021 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah, its always good to stop when she becones defensive, look at it as a comfort test. She started to feel unsafe so she is testing to see if you are still cool or have gone horny berserk mode. Its bs in my opinion. If you endered a guys place, your dating, that should mean you have said yes to have sex. But because of this you should still be carefull.

[–]FirstName_LastName426 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah Im just trying not to go to jail

[–]Dimenzije908 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, its really sad how easy it is for a girl to get laid but we have to take care of so many things just for some pussy.

[–]Jdamoftruth2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Kick them the fuck out if they hesitate or throw up any objections or unclear statements

[–]Pixielo12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

"If you [entered] a guys place, you're dating, (maybe) that should mean you have said yes to have sex."

No. Assuming consent isn't consent. That's sexual assault/rape. If she says, "No. Stop Not right now. Maybe later," back the fuck off.

Why is this hard to understand? Women are socialized to be accommodating, & many from very traditional upbringings find saying, "No," in a direct manner to be very difficult.

Do you know what's not difficult? Not forcing a woman into a sexual situation.

[–]Ill_mumble_that16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

If someone can't say no that's kinda their fault.

It's like "hey I'm making PB&J sandwiches for everyone" and you don't say anything.

Then when the person gives you the PB&J you accuse them of attempted murder because you're deathly allergic to peanut butter.

If a dude invites a woman whom is a romantic interest over in private, it is safe to assume that sex could be what he is going to proposition and some point.

If you are unable to decline a proposition, you should not put yourself in a situation where you could be propositioned.

[–]theasdfplayer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

did she swallow

[–]Terdmuffin158 points159 points  (31 children) | Copy

You really just need to get experience. Think of it like a traffic light. Green lights mean go and red lights mean stop...everyone knows that. But it takes some experience to know when a yellow light means hit the gas to get through or hit the brakes before it turns red.

[–]hawaiianboomerang16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

dude what an analogy , holy shit 😂

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[–]Terdmuffin85 points86 points  (17 children) | Copy

If you run a red light accidentally the worst you do is t-bone a minivan and kill a mom and 5 kids.

But look let's be honest, if you're a normally functioning human being then false rape/sexual assault accusations shouldn't be something you're really worrying about.

[–]MongrelLife49 points50 points  (3 children) | Copy

Lol you really think you need to actually "commit" the crime to be accused?

[–]MarvelousWhale17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

In America crime commits you

[–]Terdmuffin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay if you want ZERO risk of a false rape accusation then never have any contact with any other humans.

[–]kendallb18315 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not true. I've seen a false rape accusation because a girls boyfriend found out she cheated on him and she said she didn't want to have sex with him, he raped her... just so her boyfriend wouldn't leave her. One police investigation later the truth comes out she lied.

[–]Terdmuffin-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So never interact with a woman. Problem solved.

[–]empatheticapathetic24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tell that to the people over featured at r-falserapeaccusations

[–]Terdmuffin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Okay so then never interact with a woman. Problem solved.

[–]empatheticapathetic-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes.

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[–]Terdmuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you want zero risk then never have any interaction with a woman. Problem solved.

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[–]Terdmuffin-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well if you want zero risk then the only option is to never communicate with a woman.

[–]MNCPA0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How fast do you have to be traveling to kill 6 people in a minivan?

[–]trancedj3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

About tree fiddy.

[–]huey7640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Am weak lmao

[–]Jdamoftruth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Easy to say that shit till you see someone or you yourself are falsely accuserd...

[–]Jdamoftruth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And regardless of the color of the light, the person could later claim it was red and you still get shoved into the legal process

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Actually amber means stop unless it's unsafe to do so, and you should never speed up to get through an amber light even if it's unsafe to stop. If you can't get through the amber light at your current speed then it wasn't unsafe to come to a stop.

[–]LogicalOlive6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tell that to a truck driver with 20 tons loaded

[–]Killamotha2_55 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well it would be considered 'unsafe' for a truck driver with a 20ton load to slam on the breaks. So not sure what you are getting at. Their first point was " amber means stop unless it's unsafe to do so "

[–]VipKyle4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

He was referring to the never accelerate at a amber, trucks kinda have to.

[–]Terdmuffin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is where theory and practicality collide. Sure that's the intended purpose, but if you come to a stop before it turns red then you could have made it through without stopping right? If you always stop at every yellow light you'll never run a red light, but you'll also be late more often.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Running an amber light when it was safe to stop is also a crime, at least in the UK.

[–]Sigma1Enigma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This.

[–]VipKyle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a heavy hauler so I'll never stop in time for yellows, its always a go.

[–]ElegantCyclist-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]ay-fuh-q35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

I knew one girl who was practical about sex. She said, "No doesn't always mean no. Sometimes it just means 'not right now.'"

She wasn't a feminist beast like so many today.

[–]Western-Molasses21 points22 points  (13 children) | Copy

Why is this even a debate here?

If a girl tells you “no”, “not sure”, and then you whip your dick out slap it on her face, then that’s sexual assault.

Even if she’s saying no as a means to shit test you, passing that shit test means maybe going out on another date, maybe it’s too early om the date and she still wants to converse and have another glass.

Not bragging, but I’ve slept with around 30 women so far and never heard something along the lines of “no” before sex, because when it did, sex didn’t happen.

Just move on

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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't even bother with fighting lmr or asd. If a girl isn't enthusiastically jumping my bones, we're not having sex.

Sure I might have lost out on some lays if I pressed on, but it's too risky. A girl can easily say you pressured her and she felt uncomfortable and too scared to say no. Don't even bother with all that.

[–]Sigma1Enigma8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the truth.

'I just met you'

'I don't know you yet'

'You probably have other girls'

In business these are buying signals. Build the comfort and she will consent & even pursue.

[–]Western-Molasses1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Dude you sound thirsty and you reek of blue pill

This is a “common problem” for you because your SMV is low and your game is shit, so you resort to pressuring a girl into having sex with you, and then you do some mental gymnastics and read some cringe PUA material to convince yourself that borderline begging a hesitant girl for sex is just a smart technique to lowering a girl’s “ASD”

Stop begging girls for sex and start working on yourself boy

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[–]Western-Molasses0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You’re acting like you DIDN’T make a post complaining about girls not liking to be pressured or begged for sex

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[–]Western-Molasses0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Do you have Aspergers?

If you make an advance on a girl, she says ANY of the above phrases, and you continue your advancements, then that’s sexual assault.

How would you like it if a guy does that to go your sister?

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[–]Western-Molasses0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. This fool read the Mystery Method and now thinks he’s a TRP master 😂

[–]telploit2526 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude. Read her body language and facial expression. I swear half the problems on this sub are simply men being unable to read the situation. That’s why you chase after uninterested women or end up with rape charges. One thing the feminists got right is to check for enthusiastic consent. Why would you want to ask for the number of or fuck someone who’s not 100% into it. You can always tell where you stand with a girl. Her being too quiet, giving one word answers etc is not a good sign. Ask if you have to. It doesn’t make you a pussy or beta . Some girls also freeze up from past trauma so read her facial expression, body language etc. Don’t have sex with drunk chicks unless that was part of the part from the beginning. Follow all that and you should be fine.

[–]MotorsportEnthusiast29 points30 points  (7 children) | Copy

It’s always best to get the after-text after sex. Message them saying had a good time, and you look forward to meeting again soon. Get their response to it. Least you can do.

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[–]1KirthWGersen3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Where I live, it is legal to record any conversation you are involved in without asking for the other party's consent. Simply get a voice recording app for your phone and start recording when you take someone new home.

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[–]FatGirlsInPartyHats7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

and will completely inadmissible in court

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[–]FatGirlsInPartyHats13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Evidence acquired through illegal means cannot be submitted in a court of law.

It's not fair but that's how it is.

[–]Warren_Bateman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine

[–]maxofreddit5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let the girl put your penis in side her vagina.

As in, you're both naked, about to fuck, you stop and let her grab your penis and put it inside her. Rub the head around her labia on clit for a bit, tease her with it until she does it herself. Less fun, sure, but it makes sure that you both know what's going to happen, especially on the first time. If she won't do it, then next.

And always wear a condom. Always.

Edit: And all those things mean no in your linked pic. If a girl isn't taking your clothes off for you, you have work to do.

[–]IXseed6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Idk how many girls you're messing with rn but these phrases are pretty much clear no's. They should't be confusing you. It should be a happy yes. The thing is too many dudes operate in this "sex by any means necessary" shit that gets them caught up. If you're pressing up on a chick and she's not feeling it, back off.

[–]adool6665 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It really depends on the situation. For a Tinder date, if you get a 'no' the first time, I try again after 20 minutes. If there is a second no, I stop.

[–]dogfood6668 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

rules for life:

  1. dont eat yellow snow
  2. dont have sex with people who dont want to have sex with you

[–]Black JesusDerekMorganBAU4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Know when you're playing cat and mouse and when it's a genuine shut down. Some bitches like to feel "taken", some might need a little revving up, etc. Just calibrate. Simple.

[–]2319Skew9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

In today's culture a woman can have sex with you on Monday. See you with a woman on Tuesday. Have sex with you again on Wednesday and bring up exclusivity. Get dumped on Thursday and claim rape on Sunday because you took advantage of her with the pretence of being a couple.

God help you if you both were drinking or she likes it rough because you are automatically guilty until proven innocent.

There is no crime that I can think of that requires you to prove your innocence first and is grounded on emotion and anecdotal evidence.

You were too rough but she didn't say anything? Congratulations. You're now a sex offender since "silence isn't consent". She reports it 10 years after it took place? Doesn't matter.

The narrative if practiced to the feminists requirement would be two (or more) people who identify as whatever gender or sex they want, sit down and fill out a form regarding what would be done, an impartial judge would watch to ensure no deviation, and the whole thing would be monitored by medical apparatus to ensure adequate dopamine release. Afterwards a copy of the sex report would be stored to review by another party who must identify as a woman.

[–]dojoboy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep.

Baring any other evidence, holding a person responsible for a crime/offense because the other person failed to speak up is criminal in itself.

[–]alfred311-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly happened to me, plate for a year suddenly appear in a friend party after 3 months of ghosting me, told her to come with me after the party, she ride alone in my car, i thought everything was fine when we are in the entrace of a hotel she suddenly run and ask help from the staff of the hotel,she told them shes drunk and doesnt want to be with me, i followed her but cant see her anymore, tried calling her and texting her, no response, thankfully the staff of the hotel didnt block me or report me to the police. I looked like a rapist at that moment and really embarrassed. Saw her after a week and seems nothing happen. Fuck some women are really crazy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If there is discomfort, clear that beforehand. I have had girls that were showing signs of "not being sure" and I'd ask them if they are fine. If they give explanations etc. I just tell them "No reason to justify anything - No means no". And then go back to whatever we did before.

Keep in mind I don't mean simple LMR, but clear signs of "I don't really want to do this right now"

[–]Protocol_Apollo12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Liberals have over complicated consent because liberals are dumb. They treat it like you need a written contract or be constantly asking “may I do this, can I proceed and do this?”

Sex is meant to be spontaneous, emotional and primal not something logical, pre-ordained and sequential

Consent is very basic and comes naturally to people who actually have sex.They know what’s sexual assault, what’s not and everything in between.

Consent isn’t always verbal, non verbal cues are a huge part of it. These cues are picked up naturally and are too clunky to be fully explained by text or words.

If consent was purely verbal like non sex having liberals think, then literally all animals would be rapists.

[–]mgtowthroww8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Start recording on your phone before you have sex. And save it on a google drive so when she does accuse you of rape you have the recording where she never said no.

[–]DifficultContext-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Should we pull our phone out and let it be known that this conversation is being recorded or be subtle about it?

[–]mgtowthroww0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As subtle as possible. There are secret voice recorder apps on your phone you can download. Once you finish having sex, save these on Google Drive so they can be used later. Since a woman can claim rape from 10 years ago.

[–]gediwer-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is there a record feature on apple watches? If not they should add one. As soon as you progress you start recording and before putting it in you ask for consent and then record the whole session. After cumming you switch the audio off.

[–]Sigma1Enigma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

About LMR in this era?

Don't use male logic on female actions.

Comfort tests, emotions, feels w/e

Be suave patient and non thirsty.

[–]violetmonstermunch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know about you but everytime my last gf said no to me, she wanted me to continue. She was just aroused by the fact that I was taking her and overcoming her resistance.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNightwingTRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like there’s no line between sexual assault and casual sex anymore, and it completely undermines the integrity of genuine rape/sexual assault.

Obviously. But don't say that too loud or the feminists might come for you spouting such heresy to their religion.

Bear in mind the difficulty. Make sure to get texts after the night saying she had a good time. If she doesn't text back with that or says something that might be used to prove rape against you, respond as she was giving you an enthusiastic yes and that her weird behaviour and changing history is concerning to you.

Protect yourself at all times gents. Don't forget to wrap it!

[–]silvereddi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did this sub got flooded with incels and feminists since their subs got banned or why are here suddenly tons of shit advice with tons of likes? Holy fuck. Just read into LMR and how to seduce her. Most women WILL say kinds of No to you - this is in fact her ASD and LMR kicking in, because either your frame was a bit too weak or because she is socially trained to behave like that. In this case, read the signals, stop every now and then when she resists and keep going. 2 steps forward, 1 step back. It baffles me reading here every second guy telling you that this is rape. What rape?! Rape‘s when he is putting her dick inside her while she’s screaming and repeatedly saying no and stop to you. There is obviously a line between LMR and the possibility of rape, but it’s still very obvious. I fucked some girls that were all like „no stop“. „I don’t want it now, it’s the first date“. „I don’t know you“ „what are you doing??“ „no we can’t..“ Blabla. And then you slow down or stop, and after a short time keep pushing and the rest comes with itself. And if she keeps resisting too often THEN you can stop and get the fuck out, because she is either playing way too hard to get or is serious about not wanting sex with you. My god these comments here ...

[–]mrbill12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you are male, you are vulnerable. Even if it was consensual at the time, she could change her story later.

[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just have good text game so after you bang you text "Last night was great, again?" to get that sweet sweet "yes.. good times.. see you soon"

[–]lazlounderhill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a risk, and the stakes are potentially life altering (ruining) - because false accusations do occur, and evil - sociopathic - women do exist, and they are far more common than anyone here wants to think about - or admit. Anyone who tells you otherwise is whistling past the graveyard.

Ultimately it's a matter of your individual tolerance for risk. If you find yourself at the mercy of a genuine female sociopath with the criminal justice system the way it is - there's nothing TRP can do for you. All I can say is this - if you have the slightest misgiving, the tiniest voice in your head questioning the girl, or the situation, fucking get out of there post haste. That's my advice. The danger exists and it is real, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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Tf? Have you even read the sidebar?

[–]skyrunner22-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You cant negotiate with terrorist. If you read any of the older feminist stuff you will see many of them regard ANY consensual sex with a man as rape. They basically trojan horse it slowly over time. Right now regret sex or change your mind after the fact sex has become rape.

Protect yourselves gentlemen, you get caught up in even a false allegation and nobody can save you. Nothing after the fact will help, prevention is only option. Keep logs, cameras, etc as best option.

[–]Vulturo-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start ignoring propaganda. Apply RP and keep trucking.

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