Fear of dating because of the future of #MeToo

Teddyroly2020 · 2020-04-18T04:59:17+00:00

If I had to pick I’d go monk

the40yearoldincel · 2020-04-18T05:06:01+00:00

A woman can decide years later that she now feels it was "rape", even though it was 100% consensual at the time. Because, "Believe All Women" is the mantra.

Chasing after sex and/or a girlfriend to be in a monogamous relationship is extremely dangerous in 2020. Even if you think she loves you, or says she loves you, she can destroy your entire life if she feels like it. Don't believe anything women say or do, because they base their entire lives around their emotions, not logic or sense. They can also be very easily swayed by their girlfriends into making you look like the bad guy, even if they've never met you.

Men are facing the short end of the stick these days. Either you're a guy who's had girlfriends or relationships, but they've cheated on you for Chad, or you spend so much of your time trying to live up to their expectations, expectations that are unrealistic for the most part, something that no man can truly ever be. Or you're an incel, ignored or used by women as an emotional tampon, but with no real interest in you personally, not even as a friend.

My advice young man, if you desire sex, go to an escort. But in all honesty, after you've done that and spent your hard earned money on some pussy, you're going to realize that your hand isn't so bad after all, and you could have saved that money to use it for something you will enjoy for a lot longer than an hour.

downwardlyspiraling · 2020-04-18T05:13:32+00:00

It’s not going to get better, only worse. I’d say focus on stacking cash. Then learn how to use that cash to protect yourself. Then do all the cool shit you want to do.

greyman0425 · 2020-04-28T16:08:44+00:00

Honestly

The most important advice I can give is to work on you and what makes you happy. Monk or married working on you will carry you further.

Don't get married, its a losing game

Read Dale Carnegie's book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is a classic read and translated into many languages. Putting it into practice will cut down your social faux pas in half. It will help professionally as well.

#MeToo Attacks are social attacks not a court of law. Women can change the definition of creepy, sexual harassment, rape to suit her needs and society will take her side to protect her. Sexual Harassment in a court of law is repeated unwanted sexual advances. In #MeToo it's one unwanted sexual advance.

By sexual advances, I mean asking her to join you for coffee or lunch. Legally asking someone to join you for coffee once would not fly as harassment. But under metoo she can cry I was too afraid to tell him no to coffee. By unwanted that is code speak for "only attractive men can approach me". That's how #MeToo works.

The best defense against metoo is Monk/Pense rules and not giving your accusers something to work with. Those are hard lifestyles to live by.

If you do date, remember this.:

Know your attractiveness level then take it down a few points. We all overestimate ourselves. Remember women only find 20% of men attractive.

Learn to read people, there verbal, and body language cues. If a woman is interested she will let you know or her friends will. Body language is a big tip-off. If you are unsure if she is interested then she is not interested.

It's the same if she wants sex, she will definitely let you know. There will be sexual innuendo and comments from her all over the place. She will get close and very touchy-feely with you. She will not take no for an answer. Don't believe me, give her some resistance and see what she does.

Figure out your personal boundaries and make them known her.

Find out what her boundaries are.

Record all your encounters.

Vanquisherofsnails · 2020-04-19T03:47:26+00:00

Holy fucking shit this is all terrible advice

eboy4hire · 2020-04-19T03:34:31+00:00

Ok so listen, I'll tell you my opinion as a guy who's basically MGTOW, but pursues women. I've been with a couple of skinny chicks, but I've banged a lot of obese women from Tinder because honestly that's the easiest way to get sex. That's not worth it for a lot of guys and I understand that. I also lost my virginity to an escort. Something you gotta understand when you take any kind of legal risk is that you're not always gonna get caught, and in that same sense you're not always going to get divorce raped or cheated on or false rape accused or abused by some crazy chick.

At my university, I've had a couple of girls go to get no contact orders against me. One in particular frustrated me, and I was about to call her out in front of my whole college class, but the teacher stopped me. The girl immediately went to talk with the dean, which I had a meeting with after that class, about my "outburst". That little almost call out got me put on probation to where any further action would get me expelled or suspended. It's my last semester anyway so it doesn't matter to me, and it's not like I'm a bad person who normally has stuff that's probation worthy.

Even though that, that's not gonna stop me from pursuing women. In my mind, if you're not constantly approaching them, they're winning. If you assume that you're a guy they don't like, then you should approach them all the time if for nothing else than to just annoy the shit out of them. When they MeToo you, rightfully sue the shit out of them for the false accusing bitches they are. It's not as scary as you think and assuming you did nothing wrong you should come out on the right side.

The_other_account22 · 2020-04-18T21:34:56+00:00

Honestly? Don't worry about the #metoo thing. It's not some push to give women more power, or a tool to oppress men, or anything that any normal man should have to worry about. It's nothing but political weapon with which feminists attack powerful men they hate. Just look at Joe Biden. He's probably harassed and assaulted more women than President Trump and Justice Kavanaugh combined, but nobody gives a fuck because he's a democrat. No media scandal, no outrage, no FBI investigation, no nuthin'. In order to be a viable target for the #metoo lynch mob, you have to be rich, powerful, influential, AND not associated Democratic party of America. Unless you check all those boxes (or actually rape someone), you'll be fine. Just live your life and don't let feminist hysteria in the media intimidate you.

AceOfAngels37 · 2020-04-18T19:37:03+00:00

I think what you’re feeling is very common and very unique to our time period. Straight men (at least in America) take a huge risk in pursuing relationships that involve any sort of sexual element. I would say the cons are certainly beginning to outweigh the pros.

TraehNoil · 2020-04-18T16:50:01+00:00

Brother the claims MGTOW make are true. I’d say you’re better off doing your own thing and being happy. Build wealth and health. Not saying don’t have a relationship but don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

SkidNutz · 2020-04-18T17:59:34+00:00

I think this should cover most of the bases.

https://youtu.be/kgEvkwfVJS4

rockstarsheep · 2020-04-18T18:52:04+00:00

You can spend your time, developing yourself in preparation for your future. This investment, will pay you back, many times over.

There's something about fear, that you might want to consider. Quite often, what you fear, you will somehow manifest in your life. Seek out a higher and stronger version of reality. It is what you will end up starting to create. Set your standards high; it might take some time to find someone who's worth your while. Don't put them on a pedestal; this is one of the biggest mistakes - everyone makes.

Stay hard and keep focused.

malerevolution · 2020-04-19T04:36:04+00:00

I gave up dating a long time ago and am happy. I tried it and it never worked out and didn't like the drama it brought into my life, so I freed myself of it. I stopped asking a long time ago and the ladies stopped trying to get with me too.

With the rise of #MeToo, I do worry about my some things I've done in the past and do hope they never come back to haunt me. It's not serious stuff, but it could be distorted against me.

In my 20s, I bought some VHS porn and that helped me deal with it. I still have some of those OLD VHS tapes. Getting it online is cheap or even free.

I've always had issues with women anyway. Having grown up with an older sister who called herself a feminist and was favored by our parents gave me insight into female nature.

McToe · 2020-04-20T11:40:02+00:00

Don't listen to the idiots who pay for sex, directly or indirectly. It's possible to monk AND have intimacy with women whenever you choose to, but that choice comes with all the baggage of trying to get laid (which if you get good enough at game theory, you won't have to try hard). If you're diligent enough, you'll get laid so much in your 20's that monking from your 30's onward will be much easier and you won't be a weirdo who hates women. Not everything is black and white, cut and dry this way or that. I went through 12 years of serial dating because I believed the stories society had told me about disneyfied love, happily ever after, etc. before I realized that I just didn't want to be in relationships any more. They take a lot of energy and time even if you enjoy them.

mgtowco · 2020-04-22T15:38:43+00:00

Me too is retarded.

ChicoMongol · 2020-04-22T19:07:24+00:00

Be happy, have friends for fun, study, and do what you like, in my case, I love technology, animals and cars, and I always have fun with my friends, which makes me dispense with relationships.

I am 19 years old

Bunnies_and_Anarchy · 2020-04-18T08:47:21+00:00

Honestly the answer is to just be self-aware, which is difficult when you're young but not impossible.

You can try full monk mode but don't expect to feel completely fulfilled. Commit to it and put effort in but don't hate yourself for failing. And if/when you do fail, don't reject it all and forget what you've learned.

It's fine to chase tail and even have some relationships, but you need to guard yourself against becoming some lovesick servant to the first woman you have sex with. You may think "That could never be me!" but most guys have been that way for at least a short time at some point in their lives.

It sounds like you understand the main point of MGTOW/redpill/etc. which is to put yourself first and improve yourself because you value yourself. That's the central idea that all men should hold as their highest ideal. So when things get shakey and you start acting on emotional or sexual impulses rather than logical ones, make sure you remember to put yourself first and to keep improving yourself.

Life will fuck with you constantly until the day you die so you need to latch onto your core values and let them guide you through uncertainty.

Anyways, good luck! I wish I was half as wise as you when I was your age lol. We will watch your career with great interest.

GulfCoast_Ty · 2020-04-18T07:49:14+00:00

You're a young cat man I could never tell you to go full monk just step into an relationship with MGTOW and ME2 in mine. If you start going to parties never take a girl home afterwords, if she's been drinking or not. Basically don't do anything with the opposite sex where they can call the police on you later and for god sakes do not get one pregnant bc that's your finances being attacked by child support for 18+ yrs. Focus on your life but if you want to date, do so.

DonMelbourne · 2020-04-18T07:52:38+00:00

Driving a car can be a risk. Just make sure you take as much care as possible. Similarly with dating.

Note that false allegations are sometimes made by women when the man refuses to sleep with them, so even going monk doesn't necessarily stop that problem.

Your English is excellent.

jstohler · 2020-04-18T09:06:32+00:00

It's surprisingly easy to go through life without being accused of rape. Just don't be an asshole to people.

SceptileSquad · 2020-04-18T09:42:24+00:00

The best way I would say is not to chase after females. Do not go after females for sex. Let them come to you in a natural way and it will be pretty easy.

the_cooler_spez · 2020-04-18T11:22:07+00:00

why do you care about dating at all, if you're posting on a mgtow forum?

retal1ator · 2020-04-18T07:12:23+00:00

Contrary to the popular opinion here I think you could definitely play around, with the correct caution.

People who get meetooed are for the vast majority rich or powerful or both, and I don't think it's so probable to get meetooed unless you're a VIP.

False rape accusations are however pretty common. So you can play around with women casually as long as you conduct yourself correctly AND video tape as much as possible, and keep track of messages.

If I were casual dating, I would just keep a Mic on me at all times, install a video system at home and in my car, plus I would make sure I have messages from her before and after the fact. Your chances of getting in trouble then become so minuscule I think we can say it's pretty safe.

Obviously nothing is safer than monk mode, but I discourage you from completely going monk when you're young. If you are half attractive you can still enjoy sleeping around and having fun. Just my opinion.

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2020-04-18T05:53:02+00:00

So now I'm left with two choices, go "monk" or risk my luck

Why are you creating a false binary choice? Do you go the gym and say I’m going to bench either 15kg or 100kg? Create more options like dating girls who you know are not bat shit crazy.

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ane_ti · 2020-04-18T05:47:10+00:00

My friend the metoo movement is now backfiring because some women wanted to take advantage of it tbh you have nothing to worry about just be smart & know what type of girls you’re dealing with.

wont_tell_i_refuse_ · 2020-04-18T05:47:29+00:00

Don’t ignore the risk, it is really. Take precautions. But also don’t not enjoy your life.

iamdexter12 · 2020-04-18T05:47:31+00:00

Go Monk mode and hire escorts for sex.

Focus on your purpose( business) while seeing your friends get wrecked(financially and emotionally) by women. lol

CuriousIncel2 · 2020-04-18T05:59:28+00:00

I agree with the other comments. After all this is a MGTOW forum. Here's what I have to add.

Although dating is dangerous, the alternative is not all roses. You will be lonely, you will be shamed, be called a misogynist and so on and so forth. A lot of my friends have finally admitted that being in a relationship is painful, but being lonely is even more painful.

If your disposition allows you to be alone with yourself, and you can accept societal rejection and not be affected by it, the monk life is positively joyous.

craigslisterrrrr · 2020-04-18T06:15:24+00:00

Once this pandemic passes, get out and travel to 2nd and 3rd world countries, plenty of beautiful women and none of them have that feminist mentality as they do in the States, UK and other mainstream countries. You won’t have to worry about “regret rape” and other common tactics women use in 1st world countries.

daniellederek · 2020-04-18T11:55:53+00:00

Work on yourself, eat right, lift, grow up to be 6 feet tall or better. Be the best you possible and just maybe you will be top 20% in the looks department. Find an income stream but dont show it off. You'll only have to chase your first girlfriend a tiny bit. After that all the other girls will chase you because you are someone that someone else has and that increases your marketplace value.

As for the meetoo. If they cannot get something of value from you they wont bother. They will find the easier mark. Get in the habit of saving all txt messages to an archive. Only communicate through SMS txt. Never snap or kik or any other anon service.

Theres been a few high profile cases where the judge has just come out and told prosecutors it's clearly sour grapes after the fact, case dismissed.

It takes a lot of evidence to bring criminal charges of sexual crimes outside of cops called to a domestic scene. And even if its clear cut most prosecutors wont go after a full trial if it's an ongoing relationship and she goes back .

The one caveat would be at university or college. Treat it like the workplace. Never shit where you eat. Date/bang outside of your school, bare minimum never fuck anyone in the same programs unless you are the van wilder gigachad on campus.

MGTOW_BEASTMODE · 2020-04-18T15:54:23+00:00

Monk mode and focus on stacking cash.

Since women can't work right now, and neither can the men that support them.. guess what they are turning to to make ends meet?

Prostitution.

evigungkar · 2020-04-18T14:15:43+00:00

I think there's usually three reasons for "regret rape" that I know of. She's crazy. She had a boyfriend and rape is an out. She wants to punish you for not offering more than sex. Yeah these things have happened, but I'm guessing if you are a little conscious about the woman you decide to nail then you'll be highly likely to avoid it. If you can only accep that it is never a possible outcome then you'll have to do the "monk" thing.

feltentragus · 2020-04-18T14:39:53+00:00

I notice you say that currently you're not old enough yet to drive. So, are you intending to go on to further/higher education? If so, then be aware that colleges and universities are currently the places where feminism is not merely entrenched, but completely dominant. Male students have found themselves kicked out of college, their future prospects ruined, simply on the whim of a vindictive girl.

However you choose to organize the rest of your life, while you're in college, I'd not only say that you should avoid dating, but avoid making any female friends or being alone with a female, ever.

Because it is so stupidly dangerous at the moment, many young men are deciding not to go to college/university at all, and instead go to evening classes or mail order courses.

I know, it sounds crazy. That's because it is crazy. A crazy world built by a minority of women who hate you, because you are a man.

1st10Amendments · 2020-04-18T15:54:09+00:00

Poundsign-Metoo is real. I was once called on the carpet by management because some woman thought I was sexually harassing her because I was reading an article on a guy who had a 'micropenis' and I needed to look it up (I don't have one and had never heard of it), and she saw my computer screen when she was walking by.

Even things we do in private, on our own time, can be grounds for HR to get involved. Stay well away would be my advice.

jp_mra · 2020-04-18T16:01:08+00:00

A single man has only one mouth to feed. Do you want to work twice as many hours to feed hers as well? Psycho metoo women are easily avoided, but both traditional and feminist women expect you to do the lions share of work.

juandiegoculero · 2020-04-18T11:55:59+00:00

Be afraid be very afraid young man.

scarletlagomorph · 2020-04-18T12:44:46+00:00

You’re imagining a dichotomy where none exists: based on my experiences and those of most everyone I know, people are just as lonely and unhappy in relationships as they are out of them. Once the oxytocin and dopamine of the earlier excitement plateau and then wane, it’s all just momentum and complacency. You’re left with the hassles and emotional baggage.

Use professional services if masturbation is insufficient for you and focus on your personal growth and material wealth. That’s something you’ll never regret.

Paul_Stern · 2020-04-18T12:13:51+00:00

I knew it when I was a teen, and I know it now: all girls are crazy and unstable. There are no nawalts. The differences between them are the type of crazy and the extent. Risk is the flavor of life, but don't go betting your life over some reptilian nugget in your skull.

fmanly · 2020-04-18T12:33:19+00:00

While #metoo is the most extreme manifestation of gynocentrism it is hardly the only one.

Here is the deal. If you're in a relationship EVERYBODY is going to take the girl's side on everything. If she complains to your family that you don't do enough around the house, you're going to constantly hear about how you don't do enough around the house. And so on.

Now, knowing that if you still want to go into a relationship that is fine. Your chances of an outright #metoo aren't super-high if you use your head, but nothing you do can completely eliminate that risk. For me the bigger issue is that I like being able to have relationships with friends/family without constantly being shamed into not falling into some super-beta role.

Right now I can clean as much or as little as I want. I can do what I want when I want to. If I need to go to the bathroom at night I don't have to tiptoe and do it in the dark.

When I was married my experience was that why wife would complain about stuff ALL THE TIME. Now, it wasn't to the level of being abusive and I'm not going to play the victim card here. It is just that women in relationships are always looking to get the most value out of their men. A man who is just watching TV or whatever is a man wasting time. And it drove me a bit nuts that the message whenever we were in public was how lucky I was to have her. At the time I believed it, but saw it as more of a mutual thing, but that you'll never hear that message coming across in a balanced way by others. It is just this subtle pressure that the guy is never good enough.

So if you want to have some kind of relationship you basically have to be some kind of unmoving rock that doesn't care what anybody says about anything. As long as you "hold frame" or whatever then people will continue to throw rocks at you but they'll also respect you for not letting them hurt you.

Personally, I'd rather just go do my own thing. If you're not in a relationship you're invisible to most of those people most of the time. Sure, you don't get as much positive attention, but you get a LOT less negative attention as well.

But, do what makes sense for you.

mutageno · 2020-04-18T13:08:07+00:00

Your English is pretty good. And you are obviously smart. Have a good life. Stay under the radar and focus on yourself.

dave1684 · 2020-04-18T13:13:44+00:00

I am a victim of regret rape. Ever since then, I make sure I'm dirty and unshaven when I go out in hopes that women wont talk to me anymore. most days I stay at home. Kinda sad but better than being falsely accused again. Monk mode is the best choice for me.

Magnusson_9000 · 2020-04-18T13:37:04+00:00

I don’t recommend getting involved with women until your career is established, and only then very carefully. The idea of dating always begins with a stranger. The stranger is a vector for bringing chaos into your world.

Fear of dating because of the future of #MeToo

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Title	Fear of dating because of the future of #MeToo
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