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Dad Sues Mom for 'Tricking' Him into Believing 3 Sons Were His for 21 Years

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May 4, 2021
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Title Dad Sues Mom for 'Tricking' Him into Believing 3 Sons Were His for 21 Years
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Date May 4, 2021 8:03 PM UTC
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[–]Rabiddonky192 1363 points1364 points1365 points 5 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

Damn. Only 446k out of 5mil awarded back. Add insult to injury....

[–]Krieger117 881 points882 points883 points 5 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link

And the fucking kids sided with mom. WTF. She must have them brainwashed pretty good.

[–]LucienChesterfield 604 points605 points606 points 5 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Of course cause she’s blood and he’s not. Damn pouring salt into that wound

[–][deleted] 616 points617 points618 points 5 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Yep. And "omg she's just a woman trying to make her way through the world and take care of her kids"

Nobody gives a shit about men. Just look at the current political climate, statistics on crime and homelessness, and marketting.

[–]UncleTouchUBad 108 points109 points110 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think the worst part about this is, he could have been diagnosed 21 years earlier had she not been a lying shit stain.

[–]jeremybryce 36 points37 points38 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This, 1 million percent.

Fucking awful.

That, and the fact it was "1 guy over 20 years off and on" means with out a doubt its someone they both knew. He probably considered a friend. And she still refuses to name him.

[–]Krieger117 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea, somehow they only had sex "6-12 times" but none of the kids are his?

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Bullshit. She was getting donkey fucked by every guy out there while she was married. I wish the older one would have taken a paternity test because I can guarantee you he has a different father than the twins.

[–]jeremybryce 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lol, what made me actually read the article was wondering how many different dads were involved.

[–]throwaway9732121 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

at least 3. maybe 5.

[–]Bettina88 34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Remember, in many countries (France for example) paternity tests are illegal because they "break up family units". Think about that.

[–]Krieger117 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When the stability of your government is based on the promiscuity of women you know you fucked up.

[–]boner_snatch 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Now we’re giving extra welfare to women who pump out more babies without a dad. This country is going in the shitter.

[–]ConvexFever5 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's one of the big reasons why fatherlessness in impoverished black communities is so high.

[–]MysticalMike1990 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, keep a black community disenfranchised and disorganized as families and communities is key to eventually taking over their land and gentrifying it for rich people. Tie that in with Margaret Sanger and her thoughts that the first planned Parenthood should be built in black communities, and you start wondering if there's some sort of weird racist eugenic conspiracy going on in America at the top.

[–]alxmartin 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow I thought France was a first world country

[–]good_news_everyone10 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are, this is where we’re heading as a society. Women good, men bad.

[–]BlackendLight 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“History is filled with the sound of silken slippers going downstairs and wooden shoes coming up.” -Voltaire (possibly)

Also, hard times make great men, great men make good times, good times make soft men, soft men make hard times. Don't know who said that

[–]good_news_everyone10 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Soft Men make me hard” - me

[–]throwaway9732121 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its because they make men angry and we wouldn't want to risk the man making a scene and everyone uncomfortable. Also this would absolve the man from paying and the government would have to pick up the slack or even worse, poor chad thundercock would need to cut into his going out money.

[–]Epsowastaken 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never moving to France that's for sure lol.

[–]OldGRetro 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🤔🤔 that’s fucked up

[–]YourFavouriteGuy 70 points71 points72 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men have no right to absolve themselves of the responsibility of a child, and also don't have the same parental rights, because court start with assuming the woman should get custody. Which is ironic, because then they make the man pay child support, which he shouldn't have to pay if the woman is a fit parent and can actually financially support a child.

[–]throwaway9732121 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its a lot worse than that. Paternity tests are illegal in many european countries. Judges can just tell you to go fuck yourself and you won't even get a test.

[–]OldGRetro 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya know what if he would of bought AMC at $10 he wouldn’t be bitching right now 😃

[–]Carkudo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was that kid once. Yes, our mother brainwashed but damn, I will always have that weighing in my conscience

[–]Rayzor_debiker 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're gonna be Participation Trophy kids and will end up doing cringe dances on Tiktok. Humanity takes a blow.

[+]DeadExcuses -107 points-106 points-105 points 5 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Are you genuinely stupid? The kids are not brainwashed because they sided with their biological mom and not a father that wants nothing to do with them and is suing.

[–]laxplaya25 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What don’t you get about the woman duping the guy for 21 years??? Grand scheme of things she’s wayyy shittier to all involved than he ever could be.

[–]KayJeeAy 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you are an literal air head, 0 IQ, you are absolutely and totaly stupid. He obviously cared about those children, he was tricked for over 20 years, anyone would sue for that, the eldest son saying he would never talk to the dad shows how brainwashed he his. Dont be an absolute, possibly man hating, dumbass.

[–]Slaaneshels 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

"Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." Connections you choose are more important than those you had no choice in. The kids ARE brainwashed by their abusive mother, because yes what she did to this man is abusive.

[+]DeadExcuses -24 points-23 points-22 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That makes no sense, your basis for "brainwashing" is they didnt behead their mother for lying about their father. I think we use that word a little to loosely and don't know what it means.

[–]Slaaneshels 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck said anything about beheading. Stop trying to justify your shitty stance with mental gymnastics. They sided with an abuser and you are too.

[–]DeadExcuses -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you are qualified in any field to say weather or not these kids are emotionally abused from this. Not one son said that they don't recognize the father as their dad, they are all in agreement that that is their father, bio or not and they love him. The issue came when he tried to sue the mom. I don't think you are looking at this from their shoes, why would you want your father to sue your mom, I don't think you are truly capable of showing sympathy for the sons if i'm being honest, I think you just want to see the woman in shambles and are using them as an avenue to justify the means.

[–]Slaaneshels 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're an idiot. I never said she abused them, she's abused the man who was tricked into believing they were his, who spent millions to look after them. The issue is she's a lying abusive shitstain and also yes, if my dad spent FIVE MILLION DOLLARS, to raise me, and then found out I wasn't his and sued my mother, I'd pick him in an instant. Thank God my mother isn't an abusive lying psycho like this woman though.

Stop justifying women's shit behaviour just because they're women, shit behaviour is shit behaviour. She deserves to be sued and it's sad and pathetic her kids sided with her.

Edit: Also you're a hypocrite. You say I'm not qualified to make claims, and then you claim I can't show sympathy for the sons. That's hypocritical beyond belief.

You need therapy to work through whatever this apologist crap is, cause I'm not gonna be the brick wall you beat yourself bloody against. This conversation is over. Stop defending garbage human beings.

[+]DeadExcuses -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Stop justifying women's shit behaviour just because they're women, shit behaviour is shit behaviour. She deserves to be sued and it's sad and pathetic her kids sided with her.

You have to be trolling right? Am I being pranked. Do I need to throw it in all caps? I DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT THE MOM, there hopefully the big letters got it some attention. I am looking at the sons and I even said I don't think she is an angel. You focusing so hard on her genuinely sets off incel sirens, I have only ever been trying to say the kids aren't brainwashed and their actions make sense, you just retort with "woman bad" in every comment.

[–]Slaaneshels 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This conversation is over. Stop defending garbage human beings.

[–]PatientPersonality46 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The children should want her sued to. Does the man get no empathy? Those boys should be looking at there mother as what she is. A lying slut who doesn't deserve a family. Who doesn't deserve to be happy. A dirty female who thinks she can play the system and still win. And because of people like you, she and so many other sluts can to.

[–]RoyaleWithCheese1994 42 points43 points44 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you stupid? Blood means nothing you know. Its just a concept. I fucking hate a lot of my family and consider my the man who raised my mum (my step grandfather if you will) to be my ‘biological’ gand dad even though we share no blood. I even have his last name and im proud of it. Its not about whos vagina or ballsack you came from its about who looked after you for 21 fucking years. If 21 year old cant see that his/her mum is a piece of shit for telling them this man was ther father when she knew fine rightly he wasn’t then yeah ther kinda brainwashed.

[+]DeadExcuses -57 points-56 points-55 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

So fucking stupid you missed what I said entirely and believe because I picked one stance it means I think the mom is an innocent angel.

[–]matatoman 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit - Posted above

[–]matatoman 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

name checks out

[–]PatientPersonality46 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You must really hate men to think that lying skank actually deserves any empathy. She should be forced to give half of any money she makes for 21 years. Men have to do it, why shouldn't a woman? Or are you gunno say she did nothing wrong either?

[+]Piggyx00 -13 points-12 points-11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not quite my dude. If your dad the guy who raised you and you believed was your dad and loved as such found out he wasn't your dad got so angry that he was tricked into being your dad that he sued your mom. How would that make you feel? Like your dad didn't actual love you and only cared for you because he legally has to. Nah the kids are right to be upset with him. They're probably also really pissed at the mom too for lying to them their entire lives.

[–]Krieger117 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL, no, it would make me feel like my dad didn't want to be taken to the cleaners by a thot. I have a mental acuity higher than a trash bag so I could differentiate the actions my "father" takes against my mother vs against me. I'd be more pissed at my mom that she fucked our lives all up like that.

[–]West-Painter 289 points290 points291 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

And she kept lying

[–]tryingmybestatm 167 points168 points169 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

the weird thing is the eldest son said he wouldnt speak to his dad if he sued his mom and remained true to his word, what even went through his mind to side with his mom who clearly is a very bad person. maybe he hoped to get that 5 mil?

[–]West-Painter 54 points55 points56 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep money talks

[–]stryka00 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And bullshit walks definitely in this case!

[–]The_Celtic_Chemist 32 points33 points34 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

One less kid for me to give a fuck about.

[+]lordlockwood63 -19 points-18 points-17 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why is she a very bad person? She only fucked around, nothing bad in that, lots of people do it.

[–]tryingmybestatm 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ruining someone's life is not only very bad but very fucked up

[–]wildersrighthand 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bit too obvious a bait to get a nibble off me brother.

[–]krypt_o 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing bad about cheating on your spouse?

Fuck off, degenerate.

[–]lordlockwood63 -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably a bible reader!

[–]DKN3 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AWALT

[–]TypicalNPC 1190 points1191 points1192 points 5 years ago2 (156 children) | Copy Link

Mandatory DNA tests when?

[–]cometpantz 665 points666 points667 points 5 years ago (101 children) | Copy Link

people get so upset when i suggest this and i dont know why

[–]TypicalNPC 871 points872 points873 points 5 years ago* (87 children) | Copy Link

Probably because it would expose a ton of shitty women.

And we can't have that can we.

[–]systemshock869 222 points223 points224 points 5 years ago (84 children) | Copy Link

Paternity tests are illegal in France without a court order. Seems like there are a lot of canaries around for the insanity that the left is steadily pushing towards.

[–]TypicalNPC 251 points252 points253 points 5 years ago (78 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that fucking hilarious? Abortions are completely O.K. killing your unborn child is O.K

But God forbid a man wants to avoid wasting 18 years of his life, oh no buster, can't do that.

[–]labancaneba 216 points217 points218 points 5 years ago (73 children) | Copy Link

Killing your child is only okay if you're female. If a male tried to induce an abortion, he would go to jail for murder.

[–]ChineWalkin 74 points75 points76 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, you have a point.

[–]treyneyt 113 points114 points115 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Even worse is if he wants his child but the mother doesn’t, there is nothing he can do to save his son or daughter.

[+]brassnuts99 -84 points-83 points-82 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Maybe don't knock someone up who is pro-choice? If you want a kid so bad, look into adoption

[–]Berylz 41 points42 points43 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Oh bud but if she wants a kid and he doesn't... do you not see the problem?

[+]brassnuts99 -45 points-44 points-43 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of dudes don't stick around if they don't want to be involved. It sucks but that's part of life. At least the man doesn't have to carry the baby for 9 months then deliver it before walking away.

[–]Difrntthoughtpatrn 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Been saying something like this for decades. If a woman is allowed a choice of being a mother or not, then before the child is born the father should have the same choice.

[–]YourFavouriteGuy 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

financial "abortion"

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I put abortion in quotes because it doesn't directly kill the baby.

[–]WiseSolomonGrundy 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here. Basically, the definition of whether something is a "life" depends on the individual mother's disposition. She could be on her way to get an abortion, get punched in the stomach, miscarriage and now it's a murder of an infant.

[–]djb1983CanBoy[🍰] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago* (55 children) | Copy Link

Not murder, but for interfering with a womans exclusive right to “murder” your child. Just to point out - its absolutely ridiculous to consider an abortion as a murder. This question was decided decades ago, and most of the world feels the same way.

I do think that women should not have the exclusive right to abort their child if the father wants it to be born, however i dont know what a solution would be. I think we have the same problem in family courts where for some reason the mother is still automatically considered the more fit parent unless evidence proves otherwise.

Yay the lawyers win again. /s

[–]labancaneba 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, there are cases like this. He would actually go to court for murder.

[–]GothicRagnarok 43 points44 points45 points 5 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

The question was decided by who, exactly? Scientist sit this debate out, philosophers have debated this questions for ages, and the only people to claim it is settled are those who believe they're right because they said so. So please, share with the rest of us who finally made the breakthrough that decided the exact moment a life is a life and at what moment does it go from a nothing to a murder.

[–]100MScoville 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

For the record I’m for abortion being legal, on the grounds that legality doesn’t stop people from doing it, and it’s better it be handled in a safe clinic than down a flight of stairs.

However, as a medical student with a biology undergrad, following the general criteria defining what life is, if the “clump of cells” people claim isn’t alive was found on Mars, every scientific journal on Earth would be screaming to the heavens that life was discovered on another planet - it’s pretty objectively a life basically as soon as the egg receives the sperm.

Philosophically its an ethical debate on whether that new life is worth the inconvenience it causes someone for being born; simply being alive doesn’t immediately qualify you for effort or attention or nourishment; black mold is alive, hell genital warts are “life” that needs your body to survive, doesn’t mean you owe them anything.

It’s bleak of course but society has decided that it’s acceptable to kill a baby if you don’t want to raise it - that’s just the way nature works and humans are privileged to have access to pretty quick and less brutal ways of doing it than some animals that eat their young or use them to escape predators. But you’re totally killing a baby and it’s dishonest to pretend otherwise just to make the pill easier to swallow for yourself if you do it.

[+]YourFavouriteGuy -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

>it’s better it be handled in a safe clinic than down a flight of stairs

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So your argument is that abortions, if performed illegally, would be dangerous?

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GOOD. IT SHOULDN'T BE EASY OR SAFE TO KILL CHILDREN.

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>black mold is alive, hell genital warts are “life”

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Black mold is not human cells, genital warts are genetically the cells of somebody who has them, so they can do whatever they want.

[–]throwaway9732121 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It being illegal would prevent 90% of abortions. To prevent a couple of stairs situations we are effectively 10x or more the amount of killed babies. Don't think that makes sense.

[–]DankerAnchor -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that so may pro-lifers utterly couldn't care less about the life after it's born. I am not saying you are. The clump of cells on Mars anedocte does not take away from the fact that it would be self sustaining, whereas in our situation it wouldn't be. You shouldn't force someone to undergo 9months of grueling physical emotional and psychological trauma by forcing them to birth a child. And let's not even forget the longterm issues that will be caused by taking the pregnancy to term. What if the child is born part of the LGBTQ community? What if the child is born in an abusive family, in abject poverty, with severe medical issues? What if that was a product of rape? Who's going to take care of that child? The state? The Pro-lifers? Most likely not, they won't even think about helping that child have a better situation.

If you want to save the life of the child, would you be ok for it to becoming a "test-tube" baby? Since after all that would be the sole ethical solution to not having an abortion and having a child at the end of the day. Calling abortions murder (not saying you did but many on this thread have) is absolutely disingenuous. You are not killing a living being that is able to have hopes, dreams and aspirations. The vast majority of abortions are done before the neural development of the fetus has fully begun to take form since the latest point in the pregnancy one can usually get an abortion is at week 12. The vast majority of abortions are performed way earlier in the first trimester.

Take care and best of luck with your medical studies.

[–]Max-Sterling17 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (23 children) | Copy Link

I’ve had a hard time finding any pro-abortion advocates able to answer this and defend the answer with any rigor. The entire abortion debate, far from being settled, centers exactly on this one crucial point. When does the unborn become a human life?.

[–]Solace2010 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

When it can sustain life on its own outside the womb

[+]brassnuts99 -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want the baby to live so badly,why don't you have it surgically transfered to your uterus?

[–]luardemin 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone knows a fetus isn't alive until it's out of the womb, silly! Being physically connected to and dependent on someone else means you're just a parasite!

[+]djb1983CanBoy[🍰] -8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

Im mot one to have such a debate with, as my mind is made up about abortion. A mother has the right to abort up until abortion is not appropriate (as has been decided and slightly altered over time by SCIENTISTS) i am arguing that the father should be a part of that decision in some manner.

Roe vs wade verdict made “the breakthrough” In america. The judges made this decision based on the science available, and on all the philosophical arguments put forward by those able to participate, and interpretation of law. This was famously a non-partizan decision by the court, framed as the right to choice, to freedom, over the state deciding (historically a perfectly reasonable republican position) not a matter of murder/not murder.

Youre right. Because the supreme court says so (almost 50yago), mr ted cruz and other politicians no longer have the right to decide whether a woman can abort or not. Or at least these unlawful laws will be overturned eventually by the supreme court precedent.

The main contention is exactly what you bring up - who gets to decide. Well biologically, and traditionally, a baby is not a baby until born. Is not an individual being until born. Choice is the key beyond that - mr ted cruz is not the father, nor the mother, and should not get to say yes or no to “murder”. A medical doctor doesnt come and tell him how to pass a bill, and he should get out of the dr’s office.

Im not sure y i made the attempt. You have all the resources to answer your own wuestions about the pro choice side. Theyve had over 50years to make better arguments than mine. I suspect that you dont care for scientific or biological reasons, or individual rights, but likely you are getting your idea from “god”, and yet there is no mention of abortion being wrong in the bible.

And there certainly isnt a definitive statement from god saying when life begins. So it has to be a scientifically informed decision respecting everybodys rights (like if the baby is going to kill the mother is going too far to protect the baby’s tights over the rights of the mother), or the right of the mother to not be raped and then forced to have to raise said rape child.

As to it being murder? I think that there are lots and lots of baby hatched chickens being murdered everyday and deserve more attention - its like ted cruz is the owner, and has taken all decision making from the hen, and then only is making business decision to cull the males.

[–]GothicRagnarok 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You had me on the legal side of things. I fully agreed with you there. You lost me though when you made it abundantly clear that you were prepared to beat a conservative strawman rather than simply answering the question of "is abortion murder" or "when does a fetus become a human" of which you claimed the debate was settled.

Well, fun fact, since you built your entire argument after the legal part to beat up a strawman, I am pro-choice and a libertarian. Your strange obsession with Ted Cruz, while entertaining, is completely irrelevant to anything here. I support a woman's right to choice, but I also support a restructuring of child support to benefit those affected by the woman's choice to terminate and to hopefully help a future child that is wanted at the time. I do agree with the pro-lifers that it is murder, but murder isn't as black and white as many want to think it is. I fully see and understand both sides, but like a normal and fully functioning human, I don't make my entire stance on something based on what one side said or thinks about something just because. Just because you can disagree on a broad spectrum of a point, doesn't mean the other side has no valid or good points to take into consideration.

Oh and lastly, on your "no mention of abortion in The Bible" little comment; I practice Astaru and have zero personal affiliations with Christianity and it's practices.

Hopefully, you'll realize that broadly painting people with such an abhorrent zeal and wide brush strokes is more detrimental to your cause than supportive. Even more so when you go wildly swinging said brush around painting folks you know nothing about with it. Your anger and rage will only do more harm than good and hopefully you can learn to harness it and not let it run so wild in the future.

[–]Difrntthoughtpatrn 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Statements from God would have to be from the Bible. You would have to read the Bible or at least listen to someone who has read the Bible to know anything about it. I fear you know nothing of God and only speak from ignorance of what His word says.

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/what-the-bible-says-about-the-beginning-of-life/

The law, in the United States, also says the fetus can be murdered and prescribes a penalty for such murder. I would appreciate that the law be consistent but that isn't always the case.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841

Science is a different story. I find science as a club that people would like to wield against an enemy. Not to say that I don't believe science is good and to abandon it would be an atrocity. What I am saying is, science is understood generation to generation and sometimes from moment to moment.

What we had figured out yesterday about the world around us is subject to change today. That's the great thing about science, it is never a fact. We keep learning and things keep improving. What changed from what we knew yesterday??? The only thing that changed was what we know!

[–]Hugenstein41 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Full or late term abortion is 100% infanticide.

Does it matter what kind of mental gyrations are bullshit you do you're choosing to dismember a baby

Hopefully there is a hell.

[–]djb1983CanBoy[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Deosnt matter if the child is likely to be stillborn, or the mother might die? Or likely to suffer a horrible life due to abnormalities or whstever. Yikes. You have little compassion, do you? Have fun with your mental gyrations thst got you to 100% absolutism.

[–]Hugenstein41 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

While you ignore the healthy ones that are killed.

Too stupid too see you fit your own argument.

[–]tryingmybestatm 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

why is that although many powerful people are men, the system is rigged against us?

[–]YourFavouriteGuy 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men don't have an incentive to help all men. They don't think about it by gender. There's no rich group of guys scheming "how can we oppress women boys?"

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There's just human nature, and human nature makes us less sympathetic toward men.

[–]TypicalNPC 24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well for three reasons..

  1. Because it's profitable.

  2. Because weak families, homes, and fathers means weak people who are easier to control.

  3. Because humans have a biological urge to coddle and protect women from facing the consequences of their actions*

That last reason is why we get waves of people spouting Mysoginy or This doesn't belong here or you guys are assholes who love to see women fail

[–]sensuallyprimitive 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

fetus*

[–]ItsCold_ItsCold 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

France is also the sluttiest country in the west. Just a coincidence. I don’t have the source with me but I remember reading an article with stats showing that 1/3 or 1/4 frenchwomen cuck their men.

[+]Imthatdoode -17 points-16 points-15 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How the absolute fuck do you measure something as abstract as slutiness? Oh she was showing an inch of skin? Pierre write her down as a common street whore.

[–]persamedia 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Grow up

[–]TheVines2002EVOLVED 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

France is a fucking joke these days.

[–]utopista114 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Left? The right is the one that wants eternal wageslaves. Your "left" is not left.

[–]Gypsy-Jesus 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No no, society only wants the truth from men. But from women a little is okay because vagina

[–]Flakey_flakes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We need that though.

[–]SturbyT 44 points45 points46 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Had an argument about this on reddit once. A woman claimed it would lead to more murders if men knew from the beginning they are not the father. That they should be illegal 100% of the time. Better to keep them in the dark and potentially save a womans life. The fucking mental gymnastic, man.

[–]uberduger 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A woman claimed it would lead to more murders if men knew from the beginning they are not the father.

I love that the solution to "women might be murdered if they cheat on their husband and lie about the parentage of 'his' child" is "stop the man being able to check" and not "tell women to stop putting someone else's cock inside them".

Clown world.

[–]BlackendLight 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

solipsism

[–]100MScoville 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ban cars too so there are fewer incidents of road rage.

Then again anyone who’s interacted with a cyclist probably knows that won’t work when those smarmy fucks don’t have to fear for their lives

[–]twodarkboys 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Share the road?

[–]Ohshitwadddup 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've only heard women oppose this.

[–]dangerouspangolin 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It exclusively upsets cheating wives.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it bEtRaYs the lOvE aNd TrUsT

[+]Big_Balla69 -70 points-69 points-68 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because that doesn’t need to be mandatory. If you want it then get it

[–]Exterminatus4Lyfe 54 points55 points56 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody wants it, its just necessary

[+]lizard450 -10 points-9 points-8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're essentially exposing yourself to risk. Labs have had problems with corruption and incompetence. You send your shit off to get tested and your sample gets switched or something. Now there's DNA evidence you're a serial killer.

Now maybe you have a good lawyer... Maybe you have the money to fight it.. maybe you get some money out of the lab after years of court battles. That'd be bad enough.

But maybe you don't and now you're looking at life with your best bet being the innocence project.

[–]mcavvacm -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would destroy all notion of marriage being viable.

There'd be too many lies exposed meaning a lotta profit for divorce lawyers, and we all hate lawyers so a terrible fate indeed.

[–]MadLaamaDisease 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get everytime called bastard when I demand this.

For example here were I live one year they took about 1400 paternity tests and about 110 cases father was someone else.

And it was just reseach purposes and still they aren't mandatory here.

[–]ScarredCerebrum 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For example here were I live one year they took about 1400 paternity tests and about 110 cases father was someone else.

...damn. That's about 8%? Almost one in ten.

I just pictured my class back in primary school. Just over thirty kids. If this kind of ratio also applies here, then two or three of them were not fathered by the guy they thought was their dad.

[–]MadLaamaDisease 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is harsh reality and I say again,every civilized western country should have mandatory paternity tests even when one or both parents resists.

[–]MrMichael31 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Just did one a few months back. Found out my dad isn't my dad. My mom denies being unfaithful.

[–]Hugenstein41 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another immaculate conception. Quick try turn water into wine.

[–]stryka00 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess she just sat on a public toilet seat that someone jizzed on right? Who the fuck does she think she is kidding, honestly?

[–]EsportsFighter 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes people lie so long, they start to believe their lies as reality.

[–]Anti-Federalist_1776 98 points99 points100 points 5 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

DNA tests at birth should be normalized definitely, but letting the government legislate a requirement to test people's DNA can go very wrong. I don't trust who gets to access all that DNA, or what they'd do with it

[–]TypicalNPC 75 points76 points77 points 5 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

All that information is already saved when you visit your doctor, so it really doesn't matter either way.

It also beats paying for a child that isn't yours for 18 years, only to have your whore wife tell you that it isn't yours

[+]Anti-Federalist_1776 -10 points-9 points-8 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

I'd still rather the government stay far away from anything related to DNA or data collection. The past 4000 years shows that governments rarely ever do good things when given more power. If you want DNA tests for newborns, we should do it at a cultural level.

[–]TypicalNPC 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

You don't get It do you? The government can take your DNA whenever they want.

A paternity test means absolutely nothing in terms of DNA collection.

And again, it's a hell of a lot better than wasting 18 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[+]treyneyt -8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How does the government take your DNA if they want it exactly?

[–]TypicalNPC 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.aclu.org/other/newborn-dna-banking

The DNA of virtually every newborn in the United States is collected and tested soon after birth.

[–]treyneyt 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then there’s actually no reason not to make paternity tests standard. If they already collect DNA information then the only reason not to make them standard that I can think of is no longer relevant.

[+]lizard450 -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or you know we could fix the bad law... JFC people like you would bring back slavery... "Well we can own people again so there's no reason not to allow beating the everloving shit out of them too.". /s because I'm sure someone reading this would take the comment literally.

[–]Anti-Federalist_1776 -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I get what you're saying. But I just think its unnecessary. It's a good idea for fathers to get paternity tests because hoes aint loyal these days, but why do we need a law compelling it? We can spread the belief without legislation.

[–]TypicalNPC 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't want the law? Sure. Then the option should be asked after the child is born.

Now it's not mandatory and uneducated men get the knowledge and option of revealing If his wife is a whore.

Fair?

[–]Anti-Federalist_1776 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm completely fine with that. I'd support hospitals encouraging fathers to get a paternal test. It would be nice if the mother didnt have to know either. I think a lot of men would avoid getting one out of fear of the mother knowing. I'd bet a lot of women would get angry either out of fear of getting caught as a hoe, or the "you dont trust me" routine

[–]TypicalNPC 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Having it able to be discrete would make things easier

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because without a law compelling it, the argument from the woman will always be, "Why do you need it? Don't you trust me?"

If there is a law compelling it, it takes any arguments against it out of the picture, and it doesn't end up causing a fight between the parents, where one need not exist.

[–]ocelot_lots 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The government "having your DNA" & someone at a hospital doing paternity tests is like comparing apples to toaster ovens.

[–]Anti-Federalist_1776 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if the government would have no access to your DNA, I'd still be against the government legally requiring DNA testing at birth. It should be up to the father to decide that.

[–]EsportsFighter 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Government has records of DNA and they get it from private companies, that is how they got the Original Night Stalker.

[–]sensuallyprimitive -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Libertarian™ lmao go read more ayn rand bro

[–]Anti-Federalist_1776 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Never read it. Just dont think the government compelling DNA testing is a good idea. That's hardly a libertarian take, its a common sense take

[–]sensuallyprimitive -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

lmao, but a private company would be fine! I'm sure.

[–]Anti-Federalist_1776 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldnt want them to take it either. A person's dna should be theirs to decide what to do with. if you wanna give your dna go ahead, but it shouldnt be compelled

[–]lizard450 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah.. have legitimate issues with police stealing from people without due process or violating other basic rights... All of a sudden you're an anarchist who wants to live in a world ruled by corps.

Ironically it's the people who project that opinion on us that really desire to worship their all mighty corporations.

[–]sensuallyprimitive -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

all capitalists are corporatists :D

[–]jeremybryce -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhhh yeah. A private company can be sued, penalized, etc.

A government... can just legalize or legislate whatever heinous acts they want to perform.

Example: Google, Facebook, etc harvest your data and do god knows what with it. But they have to disclose this. Albeit in a deceitful, wordy way.

The US Government though? They do it, but flat out lie to your face about it. Get told they can't do it, but still do it anyway.

[–]Gandzalf 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if he beats their ass, it’s not really child abuse, because that ain’t his kid. It’s just dudes fighting. lol

[–]okateverything 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]Flakey_flakes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

.....What would they do with it? Build a clone army? What is the concern here?

[–]lizard450 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's frankly stupid. If you normalize it then it will end up in a registry eventually.

[–]xPriddyBoi 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the government will initiate remote mind control protocol when they inevitably get our DNA that they evidently would only be able to get if we had mandatory DNA testing at birth.

I wonder if people actually think for more than ten seconds when they say shit like this.

[–]NeverGonnaSTOP999 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a valid point as after 100 or so years, everyone born would have been on a DNA database somewhere, without giving any consent

[–]uberduger 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never, because look at it from a state/government perspective.

Currently, the situation is such that a non-negligible number of men get defrauded into paying for someone else's kid. If mandatory DNA testing came in, the man is off the hook and the woman gets "sorry you didn't understand, or bother to use, birth control" payments from the state/government.

This is the actual answer - the government would far rather you become a victim of fraud than the buck passes to the public.

Having been cheated on before, no fucking way would I not test a kid on the sly if they were "mine".

[–]HiImCipher 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously, I plan to do Whole Genome Sequencing if I ever have kids. Incredibly helpful to know about possible diseases in advance and the paternity check is a nice bonus.

[–]Sarspazzard 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just did this myself! I found out through ancestry that I'm a hereditery carrier of Hemochromatosis, as well as my BRCA2 gene is switched off, slightly increasing my risk of certain types of cancer later on. Currently 24, so it's valuable preventative information.

[–]moose16 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whenever women ask for child support. Or better yet, when the baby is born.

[+]sl-102 -35 points-34 points-33 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When you suggest something like that I am pretty sure you have much deeper problem then that as a community.

[–]TypicalNPC 38 points39 points40 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, tell me what that problem is. Please, I'm curious how saving men 18 years of their time and money is a deep problem.

Let's hear it pal

[–]polerize 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We all know why that won't happen.

[–]ConmanConnors 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If paternity is a legal concept and legal responsibility it makes no sense it's determined by "they think this is the guy" or "he's married to her so by default he assumes paternity of any kids she has". If legal paternity is a standard for financial support of the child, decision making for the child in education or medical spheres, custody arrangement, stuff like that then it should be confirmed.

DNA confirmation to assign legal paternity at birth also makes this easier for all involved (less trauma down the line for parents and child) and can even benefit the mother; there are cases of hospitals mixing up babies so verification that this is absolutely the certified mother and father before assigning legal paternity/maternity should be normalised and the standard used in law.

[–]Miserable-Lemon 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What and damage women's most lucrative industry? Baby trapping is so common it is celebrated openly

[–]lizard81288 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When will they be on Maury is the better question.

[–]premiumpinkgin 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ha ha. It's weird how much hate that gets. Because DNA tests could tell caring parents so much.

I believe DNA tests are banned in France and I forget how many countries. When I watched The Red Pill documentary, they actually spoke how illegal it is to do such terrible things.

A long time ago, there was a documentary discussing this. 1 in 4 of us is the product of an affair. Good luck finding it.

In the 90s, they stopped teaching teens the basics of biology. If mum has X colour eyes or blood type and dad has Y colour eyes, and or blood type...

Boys and girls crying in class.

[–]Black-Spruce 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If mum has X colour eyes or blood type and dad has Y colour eyes, and or blood type...

Both of my parents have brown eyes while I have blue eyes. My dad knows that my mom cheated on him several times. I look nothing like my dad or my brother. Should I be worried?

[–]premiumpinkgin 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey. Are you replying to a week old comment?

How's that working out for you?

[–]Black-Spruce 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn't realize it was a week old.

[–]premiumpinkgin 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah. All good. Excuse my rudeness. I had just had a long and very stupid arguement elsewhere, haha.

[–]ThemakingofChad 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I tell every serious partner I plan on dna testing any child we have. If she flips out, dump the cheater.

[–]LordDeathScum -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Always test before signing.

[–]TexasOi 509 points510 points511 points 5 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

I feel that. I thought a kid was mine for 9 years. We separated and I kept paying for the kids things without court ordered child support. Fast forward two years and on Father’s Day I get a call saying, “kids name isn’t yours, she is Juan’s. stop calling us.”

[–]althaf7788[S] 255 points256 points257 points 5 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Sorry brother it's horrible for someone to do this hope you are good now.

[–]TexasOi 162 points163 points164 points 5 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

I’m great. I’m glad I got to give that girl an amazing childhood. Father’s Day is still hard, but it’s water under the bridge.

[–]random13980 52 points53 points54 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Does she still talk to you?

[–]TexasOi 78 points79 points80 points 5 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

No, luckily.

[–]random13980 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Your daughter doesn’t?

[–]TexasOi 188 points189 points190 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Not my kid. I’d rather not talk about it anymore guys.

[–]turbo240 76 points77 points78 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

🍻

[–]SchattenJaggerD 40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🥃🥃

[–]kezinchara 31 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry you went through that brother. May greener pastures greet you.

[–]Falopian 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

👑

[–]Buttershine_Beta 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love you bro. She's trash.

[–]LongLive-Employment 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re a good dad. Love you homie. She’s a cunt.

[+]bunnyears420 -59 points-58 points-57 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You're the one who mentioned it. If you didn't want to talk about it in the first place you shouldn't have commented.

We separated and I kept paying for the kids things without court ordered child support.

You willingly did this? Jfc I can't feel sorry for you. First thing you should've done is celebrate that you have more disposable income now that those leeches are gone.

[–]TexasOi 48 points49 points50 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was 15 she was 20 when the kid was born, she told me not to be on the birth certificate because she would go to jail and I was a dumb kid so I went along with it. I was a kid myself. I worked odds and ends to provide for us. She knew it wasn’t my kid the entire time but I was capable of making money and the real baby daddy wasn’t. I LOVED that kid, so when me and the mom broke up, I wanted to give the child the best fucking life I could. I started working on cars and every extra dollar I had went to making sure that kid had new clothes and anything she wanted. When it came out she wasn’t mine, I went into the darker depression I’ve ever had. I attempted suicide and was institutionalized. I’ve grown since then and I’m doing well by myself. I shared the story so anyone else going through it had someone to relate to. I’m sure you’re either a child or troll, but this isn’t the place nor situation for that. I would change every action if I could, but I can’t.

[–]Tannosh 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont know shit about you but I respect the hell out of you man.

[–]Onyxeagle171 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sorry you felt you had to elaborate to that dickhead dude, my condolences

[–]sensuallyprimitive 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yikes

[–]persamedia 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what we call in the industry victim blaming

[–]BubblySkeleton 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking the same thing.

‘Hey guys this thing happened to me’

‘Oh wow, tell me about the thing’

‘Come on I don’t want to talk about it’

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Suck a dick

[–]Bango_Skank_Returns 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck would you say that...?

[–]anticultured 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg that’s awful. I’m sorry.

[–]Falopian 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man that is low

[–]rivers61 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I cannot begin to understand that feeling, God be with you. I am not very religious myself, but I think we could both use some love. And I don't mean earthly love Sorry if this is hippy dippy, but you are loved

[–]toe_pic_inspector 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn thats fucked, also my worst fear

[–]69hotdaddy 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

F

[–]YouWillNeverKnow2020 95 points96 points97 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit happens so much, and it's just sad.

[–]BobbyNo09 95 points96 points97 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

2 of them dont even talk to him any more. Poor guy.

[–]DKN3 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better... Fortunate Man

[–]plazmafire -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno... People would pay good money for that kind of result.

[–]althaf7788[S] 66 points67 points68 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Clean story:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6561079/Millionaire-reveals-moment-doctor-told-father-three-adored-boys.html

[–]GoodHunter 52 points53 points54 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She suddenly wanted all her kids to have Jewish middle names, and she gets into Judaism all of a sudden? If I was the husband, that would have made me really suspicious.

[–]LeJacquelope 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope he takes her to the dry cleaners.

[–]Artic144 31 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

he got 446k out of 5mil back

So it depends on which dry cleaners you are talking about.

[–]LeJacquelope 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope it's just the start of what he gets back.

[–]kaskntithies 156 points157 points158 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And the son still sides with his mother and guilt trips his dad! This is how strong the gynocentrism can be from mothers.

[–]totallylambert 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How horrible for that guy. Life broken fully.

[–]PhilsophyOfBacon 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/XCfe7xAvbD8

Same thing with Frank's whoooore wife

[–]sensuallyprimitive 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

JESUS Frank. JESUS Frank.

I was gonna post this clip if you didn't.

[–]TheWorldIsEndinToday 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

How the fuck is she not in jail for the rest of her life.

[–]OhImGood 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously! How did she only pay back so little?

She stole this man's life. She cheated on him. She made him raise someone else's kids. She took millions from him in the divorce.

There is absolutely no justice here.

[–]hav1t 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know, surely this is fraud.

[–]TheWorldIsEndinToday 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On so many levels

[–]PatientPersonality46 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The vagina in between her legs that I'm sure the whole town had a ride in

[–]chaddgar 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My mom did this to my "dad" for 50 years and four kids. She took the secret to her grave. 23andme discovered the secret.

[–]StormyDLoA 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, I wouldn't trust services like 23andme with my real name, let alone my dna.

[–]premiumpinkgin 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I'm sorry that happened.

Do you know how many DNA subs on Reddit have been quarantined, locked, banned and disappeared?

Far too many.

Similar groups on Facebook had the exact same thing happen.

Coworkers found something out... socially blacked out.

And yes. Obviously that happened in my family too.

[–]alxmartin 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I’m clueless, but why?

[–]premiumpinkgin 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because of how frequently the Dad is not the Dad.

Governments know that with out a Dad, they must pay money to mummy. Because of how much power Feminism has in the West.

I am not an MRA, but I can reccomend some documentarys for you to watch.

[–]Pencil-lamp 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please do.

[–]Blunt_Sage 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did your dad have any bio kids? Was he physically able to have children?

[–]WornBlueCarpet 64 points65 points66 points 5 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

How widespread is paternity fraud?

It's generally been hard to get an answer to, because when women answer questionnaires anonymously, they can either still still lie or not be sure who the father is and thus answer that it is their husband.

But around 20 years ago that changed.

DNA sequencing became relatively cheap and fast. This meant that scientists could now research hereditary diseases on large population samples. Thousands of men women and children could be used in a study.

But in the beginning the results didn't fit what the scientists had predicted from what they already knew. Well, most of the time it did, but sometimes the results didn't make sense.

You can probably see where this is going.

The reason were disappointing to the male scientists, but the females were not surprised.

Turns out, when the results didn't make sense, it was (of course) because daddy wasn't the father.

Maybe he knew he was a stepdad!

No. Why would he submit a paternal DNA sample if he knew he wasn't the father?

So how widespread is it then?

In various studies in the western world: 10-15%

That's right. Even at the low end, for 1 in 10 children, the man has been tricked into raising the child as his own.

I guarantee that if 1 in 10 children were switched at birth at the hospital, thus making women raise a child not her own, there would be legislation quicker than you can say "paternity fraud". But since the victims are only men here, we should just shut up and pay and count ourselves lucky to be blessed with a loving woman and family.

Edit: Read about it for yourselves. The article contains even more stuff. For example between 30% to 50% of women cheat on their partner.

https://canadiancrc.com/newspaper_articles/Globe_and_Mail_Moms_Little_secret_14DEC02.aspx

[–]uberduger 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee that if 1 in 10 children were switched at birth at the hospital, thus making women raise a child not her own, there would be legislation quicker than you can say "paternity fraud".

This is a very, very good point.

A story about a hospital being exposed as accidentally swapping 2 in every 20 kids would be national, and possibly international, news.

Whereas for paternity fraud where women just can't keep their legs shut is just some statistic that is assumed to be a fact of life.

[–]Mawtastic 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus, thats insane. Do you have a source backing this up? The last time I did research regarding this I ended up not really finding something legit. Only that the number of unreportes cases is estimated at about 3%, which would be bonkers too, if you think about it.

[–]WornBlueCarpet 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. See my edit. It's an article on the homepage of Canadian Children's Rights Council.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that number could drop to zero overnight with a mandatory DNA test at birth. Hell, it's not even invasive or expensive, a simple cheek swab, quick comparison, and you're done.

The only people opposed to it, are those that think perpetrating fraud is a good thing.

[–]Krieger117 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"After birth, the course of action is less clear, she said, but lawyers advise that the child is to be considered the patient, whose needs trump those of the parents. Since telling the father could trigger a breakup and leave the child without proper support, the hospital keeps the secret. Sometimes it can be a whopper. "

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I really don't know why this isn't considered medical malpractice. Doctors should be making medical based decisions, not socio-economic ones. If the baby truly is the patient, shouldn't the real father be determined in order to get an accurate familial medical history?

[–]WornBlueCarpet 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. In court, if an expert witness start to speculate about the future, one of the lawyers would object. But doctors are apparently allowed to do just that. They have no idea about how the child's future will play out, yet they chose to deprive the child of possible life saving information about its paternity.

[–]Sylvaran 129 points130 points131 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe the kids are treating him like that. If I understand the article right, his disease is terminal right? Poor guy is dying and they are ostracizing him for suing the woman who lied and cheated on him.

I hope those boys fall deeply in love with a woman who cheats on them so they understand the pain it brings. Maybe then they'll be less uptight about the fact dad sued mom. Just hope they realize this while dad is still around so they can mend fences and apologize for being assholes.

[–]lowtown5 34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They showed shameful behavior.

[–]keelewilson13 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Revenge is not the Jedi way. But it sure is sweet.

[–]SystemFolder 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Revenge is not the Jedi way.

It’s a good thing I’m a Sith.

[+]sensuallyprimitive -29 points-28 points-27 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe he's an asshole? Lol. Fuck this idea that you should support him unconditionally.

[–]MultiverseHypothesis 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can be wrong but I think the presumption of innocence is an excellent ideal to strive for both in the legal and moral realm. For the moment, all we know is that he has been done a great injustice. We don't know if he is an asshole, and have no right to assume so. Therefore it's not a bad thing to side with him in this case, no matter how inconsequential it is.

[–]Sylvaran 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So what if he is an asshole? One thing doesn't excuse another unless it's a direct correlation or worse. If he slept around and fathered a bunch of kids that he kept secret, maybe I could understand. But without further evidence I'll just judge based on the facts as presented. The woman not only was unfaithful, but then lied to her family for decades rather than deal with the consequences.

It's one thing if she was just hurting her husband, but she also is hurting the children.

[–]sensuallyprimitive 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn't say anything excused anything. I'm saying there's probably more to the reason behind them not speaking to him. I'm still leaning that way.

People in this thread say that the mother turned the kids against him with zero evidence. They are adults.

[–]Sylvaran 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, in the absence of evidence I'd give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Same with the mom. Nowhere did it say she turned the kids against him originally, so I'd also give her the benefit of the doubt there. A lot of kids are protective especially of their mother, so I could see them being mad at him just for suing her. Especially if his suit left her in dire financial straits. They may be of the opinion that yea, she bad something bad, but don't wreck her life over it. Which IMO is naive, but they're kids so that's expected.

[–]ItsCold_ItsCold 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For fuck’s sake ALL THREE?

[–]sensuallyprimitive 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah that's next level psychopathy

[–]Beautiful_Ad8543 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah. the two younger kids are twins according to the article.

[–]ingigiti 45 points46 points47 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I cannot see myself in Family Court for an issue like this. This would be a murder trial.

[–]Black-Spruce 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd have a fairer trial that way.

[–]BriscWRLD 42 points43 points44 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I think being rich and with a wife is a good thing. But then you hear these stories too often and just sit or lay down silent thinking how appreciative and a blessing to not be a filthy millionaire and single lol

[–]onceinawhileok 53 points54 points55 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

It's only good if you have a good wife or long term partner. A pre-nup is a great start but there are other green flags to look for. Does she have an education, no debt and is ambitious? Is she emotionally supportive and encouraging? Does she help you build your confidence rather than feel a need to tear you down? Is she over the phase of needing to fuck everything and managed to get through it with no children or health issues? Is her shit together? Like it doesn't all need to be unpacked but it should be all in one place. Are you sexually compatible in drive but also interests?

There's equivalents that women should look for in men of course but I'm talking about how to find a good woman to settle down with. People always talk about red flags but I think its just as important to talk about green ones too.

[–]shrewdmingerbutt 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Pre-nups aren’t really a thing in the UK though, they’re basically unenforceable. This guy would have been screwed either way

[–]onceinawhileok 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maintaining seperate residences and not getting married is also another strategy. For example your partner has a home that she owns or rents in her name with her income. If you want to mix finances then do a joint venture on a business you co-own where she contributes equally. I don't know about UK laws I can only speak to Canadian laws.

[–]shrewdmingerbutt 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

UK laws aren’t even that simple - we have 3 legal systems! England and Wales have one, Scotland has their own as does Northern Ireland.

You can be legally fine to drive in England after a beer, drive into Scotland and be prosecuted because the limit is just under half the English limit.

I do stalk /r/LegalAdviceUK fairly often though, and pre-nups are basically not a thing here. Even if you write one up a court doesn’t have to enforce it and generally it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

[–]premiumpinkgin 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh. Hello. Same thing in Aus. There has been issues where junkie mum gets the kids. Because... male bad?

[–]BriscWRLD 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing! Sigghhh still single doe :/

[–]onceinawhileok 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hygiene, self-worth and social ability are all traits worth fostering in yourself. Filter out the shitty people not worth your time and focus on hobbies and projects or interests you care about.

The rest will come! I don't know your situation but you're not alone if you find dating challenging. Pretty much everyone does. Just don't give up and don't settle my dude! You have things to offer a partner garunteed and someone will eventually see your worth and want to match it.

[–]arjungmenon 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good points.

This should be made into a larger separate post.

[–]BobFord76 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn I wish I had read this 10 years ago.

[–]onceinawhileok 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude.. Me too. That's why I'm saying it now. This is hard earned experience.

[–]premiumpinkgin 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ha ha! Pre-Nups!

Oh. My sweet summer child.

[–]onceinawhileok 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pre-nups aren't a panacea for all your woes. And the enforceability varies wildly I'm learning from state to state but also country to country.

But at least it's something! Also here in British Columbia, Canada we have something called a cohabitation agreement which comes before you even move in together. Because after a year of living together the state considers you common-law married which has pretty much all the same legal status as regular married with a licence. Which is kind of mental if you think about it! I think it was originally supposed to protect pregnant moms from deadbeats and also give long term partners access to benefits and stuff. But the application to assuming shared assets is a real problem.

Look I just went through a divorce where basically all of my problems could have been prevented by listening to older men give me this exact advice.

I got super lucky because my ex actually isn't a bad person and I did want to give her a decent settlement. But she did get greedy with a shitty lawyer in her ear and things got hard for awhile. Luckily for me we worked on our relationship and as a result were able to work things out without lawyers fucking things up. I've got other freinds who absolutely are getting fucked over though and it's really messing with their lives and their children's lives. If you have assets worth something you need to do what you can to protect before you get married or start living together.

[–]Hugenstein41 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If your rich never ever be married.

Marriage nowadays doesn't make any sense for men with good potential.

It's a sucker's bet with a legal contract slanted heavily against you.

Don't do it. You can be with somebody in a faithful monogamous relationship without inviting the state into your marriage.

[–]thehorg 42 points43 points44 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor fucker

[–]mrcheaptimes 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a trick is something a whore does for money

[–]mr2jay 45 points46 points47 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems like a pussy pass to me. Guy lost sons as well as relationships with them even tho it was the mother that had the affair.

Not even 10% of the money back either ouch

[–]ReadIt_Here 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sons of a whore, not his.

[–]GoodHunter 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, this isn't a pussy pass. The worst that she experienced was all of this becoming public knowledge, but she'll still be able to live out her life fairly comfortably. Unless her relationship with her sons are also ruined, but it seems like the sons still support her more than the father supposedly, as they threatened to not talk to him if he sued their mother, and kept their promise, except one of the twins.

[–]Negative-Custard5612 30 points31 points32 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They should have looked at his wealth 21 years ago and decided her chunk based on that. Alimony is such bull anyway. I'll take feminists seriously when they decide that's not equality either.

[–]sensuallyprimitive 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage in general is anti-meritocratic. No one cares about equality unless they are lacking. Those with extra want to keep it.

[–]FresssshOne 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My father in law found out last year one of “his” daughters wasn’t actually his. We found out when my wife and her sister did a DNA family test for shits and giggles. Test results came back showing they were half sisters. Just so happen that my wife’s sister’s real biological father’s daughter also took test and it linked them on the test results as full sisters. They confronted their mother on it, she denied it for a few weeks until they threatened to share the DNA results with other family members. Mother finally admitted to having an affair with an in-law and lied to my wife’s father about being the father to avoid drama lol. Crazy shit.

[–]sensuallyprimitive 25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Shameless pieces of shit, tbh. How the fuck do people live compete lies and think they can get away with it? Manipulative cunt.

[–]FresssshOne 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup. She’s the devil is disguise. For 21 years dude thought she was his daughter. They divorced when she was about 2 years old so he paid child support the entire time while the biological father didn’t give a dime!

[–]uberduger 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine any other willful fraud going on that long and for that amount of time. There'd probably be a large police investigation. But if it's because she lied about banging someone else? Usually it's "oh well, your bad", as far as I can tell.

[–]ReadIt_Here 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Leave paying money. To think and love such a bastard child of a whore as yours would be the most difficult part.

[–]Craniummon 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if it's a Pussy pass and a bit out of context of community, things like that must be shared. She abused from his wealth, the main reason that she got along with him was due his wealth.

"Where all good man gone?" Well, they are away. I'm not a mgtow, but it's too hard to not agree with when that happens.

If you're a good woman, keep yourself as good woman. I saw my mom and my two sisters who are good women get in bad relationships because didn't marry good men. If she were a good woman, he might have noticed his decease early, get an treatment early... Well, i don't know how he used to act tho, but from what's wrote, she's a bad person and deserve to be punished.

The saddest thing is, he took care of his the kids, i don't know if he was a good father or no, but looks like he was, and them listen "if you sue mom i'll never talk with you again."

GOD, DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR MOM OR DAD IS, IF IT'S A BAD PERSON, IT DOESN'T DESERVE ANY COMPASSION. She lied for her ex, for her kids and you want that he just walk away? People will keep doing shit if they believe that nothing will happen if they will get away, simple like that. If it's to be unfair, them let's be like wild beasts at once cause society as name says it's pretty fucked up due it, but don't try to justify your bad actions about someone which cheated (in every way) when you know pretty well the rules established.

Lies doesn't become truth no matter how much do you believe on them, once someone learn the truth, everything and everyone else will regain the sense. If you can't bear the responsibility of your own actions, them i think you can't even be treated as an adult.

And no, that's not a "good lie." What she did was cover her cheating, not protect her childrens.

[–]SC2samspends too much time spreading u/tmone 's ass cheeks apart 25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How is it

his ex-wife's alleged web of lies

when the bitch admitted to lying to him for decades? What a shit ass website and dumb fucking asshole reporting on it.

[–][deleted] 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]derpitaway 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that bitch

[–]UK_IN_SA 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh shit! I know this guy. It’s been a big story in our town. I grew up with one of his kids, he was my brothers mate. Feel sorry for them but mum still drives around town in a Ferrari while we all put our fingers up at her. She is still not letting on who the real dad is.

[–]MrEntryLevel 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus Frank!

[–]MrDaburks 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

jEsUs FrAnK

[–]Paradoxbeing666 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes more rage to repress

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you have a kid, no matter how much you trust the other person, you should always do a DNA test.

[–]clique34 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This bitch shouldn’t just lose out on the money. She should face more consequences. She purposefully kept the children away from him too. Jail time in a man’s prison outta set an example

[–]Deboski404 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

They’d stretch her wider than the Panama Canal by the end of the month.

[–]sensuallyprimitive 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I like how we can say this kinda stuff about men in prison and no one bats an eye, but you know they'd be horrified if anyone mentioned a woman was raped that way.

[–]clique34 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re protected because they’re weaker and inferior physically and I’m tried of pretending that’s not the case. I’m tired of all of this horseshit lies that says women can do all the same things guys can do. The best man is the best in anything and the only reason why men doesn’t knock women around is because of the social contract between the sexes but women need to be reminded that the contract the protects them is only there because men have allowed it to be that case. No amount of lies can cover that up.

[–]sensuallyprimitive 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeh, i'm not fond of that type of reasoning, either. it's objectively not true.

[–]EsportsFighter -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape isn't ok under any circumstances.

[–]BoozeeWoozy 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not enough, should be mandatary prison time if a woman knowingly tricks and ruins a mans life.

[–]LeftyIsGay 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And on his 18th birthday he found out it wasn’t his

[–]TehKudo 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Talk about emotional turmoil. Not only was he wronged, and lost a lot of cash, but those kids are treating him like the bad guy.. sad stuff man.

[–]Magnerist 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Disgusting sl.t , i hope she struggles all the time she have

[–]demetriosking 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can say slut on reddit.

[–]kew05gp 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pure evil woman

[–]toe_pic_inspector 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit is why dna tests should be mandatory before the father is allowed to be put on the birth certificate and be held liable for anything

[–]justl00kingthrowaway 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

You're not my son's and you're refusing to talk to me, oh well.

[–]albertoeindouche19 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Good fathers just can't walk away. Hell, bad fathers have trouble with it. When your kid is mad at you it hurts

[–]justl00kingthrowaway 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Then this should be pain free because they aren't his kids.

[–]albertoeindouche20 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

You're right it should be but it doesn't work that way. He raised them, he loves them. To him, they are his.

[–]sensuallyprimitive -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

you really don't know that

[–]GoodHunter 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The article states that he still feels like he's their dad, since he's raised them and pretty much been their dad, even if not biologically. He said he wishes his relationship with his sons can be returned back to normal.

[+]sensuallyprimitive -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

again, this does not mean he isn't an asshole. if the kids don't talk to him, there's probably more reason than just brainwashing from mom. that's just infantilizing 3 adult men.

[–]GoodHunter 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not arguing whether or not he's an asshole. I'm stating that the article indicates that he still did care for the kids.

[+]sensuallyprimitive -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

or just can't sever it that easily and is attached to the idea more than the actual people

[–]KayJeeAy -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Im pretty sure that if the dad was an asshole to those kids, the kids wouldve stopped talking to him when the mom and dad got divorced. And even after the "if you sue we will never speak to you" thing, one of the twin still texted him and said "youre still my dad" so obviously he was at the very least an averagly kind parent. Stop trying to defend her shitty action and those two kids brainwashed choice. The man might not be those kids father but he will always be their daddy, quote from yondu, one of the best quotes ive ever heard.

[–]sensuallyprimitive -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

why assume he was a good father though

[–]cuphead1234 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Victim blaming

[–]sensuallyprimitive -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

not even remotely. you're just doing the opposite.

[–]KayJeeAy 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because every female loving (not meaning sexuality) judge and person has and have literally only blamed the males and trusted the females when they say the men did something wrong even though he didnt. Of course we trust this now because at the very least this has alot more details and most likely proof somewhere unlike every bullshit the women blames men for.

It took johnny depp being assaulted by amber heard for the world to realise that MAYBE women arent always supposed to be hardcore trusted right of the bat with no proof at all. And thats incredibly sad and twisted.

[–]ReadIt_Here 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Get lost and fucked you bastard child of a whore.

[–]pacman385 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is grounds for murder

[–]kmecha9 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, the mom/wife is a real POS.

The Dad didn't want the indignity of further testing as he suffered cystic fibrosis and was infertile. The Dad discovered Wife actually cheated but was willing to kindly move on in peace still be connected with the children and family and not sue.

As along as the Mom came clean about cheating and she be upfront with children with the truth who the father really was. She continue to play games, lie, cover up, deny, until the children confronted her and Dad had to sue to go further testing to call out her BS and deception.

Heart breaking now that eldest son refuses to talk to Dad for suing mom out of spite. The mom/wife completely destroyed and manipulated this family.

" My eldest told me, 'Dad, if you sue Mom, I will never speak to you again' -- and he hasn’t," Richard said. He said one of his twin sons also refuses to speak with him, but the other has sent texts. "

[–]Barkus_Ballfinder 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Life in jail for her

[–]BlackendLight 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's why you DNA test your kids ASAP

[–]-Mavs 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank god for the red pill.

Pretty sure this guy was a hardcore bluepilled dude who believed that Disney stories were real.

Bonus: how can a guy worth millions (although, it could be an inheritance) be duped so hard.

[–]Sylvaran 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being rich doesn't immediately make you immune to trickery or smart. For all we know, he inherited his wealth.

[–]toe_pic_inspector 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you never been in a relationship where you were head over heels in love? Love makes you stupid. My past experience allows me to make better judgments but when you first seriously fall in love you are extremely vulnerable to evil woman.

[–]clout4bitches 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

justice is not served...

[–]Yurdesou 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's even worse than you guys think, this fuckin whore has been cheating in and off on him for 20 years, on their divorce she took 4 of his 10 million Euros and even dared to try to take more afterwards, brainwashed 2 of his kids to not talk to him anymore "If you sue mum, I'll never talk to you again" - said the eldest. And the worst of all, he's been diagnosed with a terminal illness, that's how he discovered he couldn't have kids, ever, because apparently there's a 98% chance that anyone who have this illness can't ever have kids. What an absolute fucking whore.

[–]YouCouldBeBetter 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She also robbed him of both a new woman to marry, who will actually love him and a family of his own. How this is not a crime is beyond me. Doesn't even count as fraud, when it so blatantly is.

[–]Latin-Danzig 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That poor guy. Watch him get thrown under the bus, no doubt.

[–]Miserable-Lemon 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cue in every woman screeching how he should "man up" and "do what's right" (right for who?)

[–]Koselill 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't just rob that one man, she robbed their biological father of his children and her 3 sons of the truth. What a horrible woman... At least the oldest came to his senses in the end.

[–]thejakka2 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Evil woman. Hope karma modes it's thing

[–]Rustythepipe 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Denied? I don't think so. She won 5 mil in the divorce and he got less than 500k of that back.

[–]jerval1981 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the end she still won. He doesn't get to see his "sons" and she does. She's still a millionaire

[–]Classyclassiccunt 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think many people realise just how fucked up what that mother did is. This man’s life is completely ruined in an unimaginable way. One of the worst things that can ever happen to a human being is realising that the life they lead was a lie. There isn’t a more devastating realisation that I can personally think of. To have a fundamental part of who you are as a person ripped away from you in such a brutal manner is truly terrifying. Even if he would’ve gotten back the full 5 million and more and the had kids taking his side and showing him love regardless, that still wouldn’t have been enough to repair the deep damage that was done here but for her to continue the lie, for him to get back only a fraction of the money and to have the kids take her side all after being diagnosed with a fatal and horrific disorder is truly unimaginable levels of suffering. My heart goes out to this man entirely, I genuinely cannot imagine what it must be like. That woman is a fucking evil piece of shit vermin and this is coming from someone who is a true crime nerd and who has seen and read it all.

[–]mandathor 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she should be in jail, for 21 years.

the crime lacks visual repulsiveness, people dont react to it. and of course she got the pussypass.

[–]Qwerzq- 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

because of that I'd always demand a DNA test

no matter how long I've known someone

[–]toe_pic_inspector 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is the smart decision and if your partner gets angry over it then the red flag is raised high

[–]georgiomoorlord 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems more like its a pussypass than denied. If it came out during the divorce she'd have got fuck all.

[–]CrustaceanElation 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

like, goddamn, give the man his own child, at least one. if youre gonna pop out three go one more for his sake

[–]GoodHunter 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He was infertile though, so wouldn't have worked even if she tried to.

[–]althaf7788[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6568027/amp/Son-tricked-mum-thinking-MoneySuperMarket-tycoon-father-breaks-silence-lie.html

[–]ABunchOfPictures 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What convenient names

[–]TheMiddayRambler 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha people think this is bad?? My half siblings' mother has been doing this for 44 years

[–]punkeddiemurphy 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I take it OP watches SSM

[–]rap31264 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really a ppd... She kept 4.5 million

[–]twopizzas 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the kids siding with their mommy.... PATHETIC!

[–]im_no_angel_66 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some day the kids will see it thru the Dads eyes. Hope they can reconcile then.

[–]treetoplife 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She deserves a life behind bars, what a horrible human. I hope her Karma is painful.

[–]IamLoaderBot 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And you know damn well how she will argue that at this point they are his children because he helped raise them.

[–]Spynner987 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Goddammit, what ungrateful kids

[–]OMG2Reddit 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dam... he spent 21 years providing and raising kids he was told were his.... i'd imagine the kids were the only reason he stayed and he feels disgusted how he wasted his life.

Not saying raising kids for others is a waste of life or anything but if he had known they werent his, he would have known she cheated and could have found someone better for himself. Shes a sociopath and he deserved to not have been lied to in order.

[–]throwaway9732121 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

pussypass thoroughly granted.

[–]ConanElMasChingon 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude that's fucked up he only received 400 thousand out of 5 million it's like she still won

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All 3 kids????? I would understand even probably one or two aren’t biologically his, but how do you have all three not be yours??

[–]Due-Accident-5305 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Somebody’s gotta get stabbed!!

[+]Dwayne_dibbly -17 points-16 points-15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck me. Right what I am about to write next is my personal opinion agree or not ok.

I would after all those years be their dad, perhaps not biologically but thsts a very small part of what makes a dad.

It would be a shock no doubt and upsetting to hear my wife had or was still having an affair but the kids are mine.

Its hard to put into words the feeling of total and complete love you have for a child and perhaps it takes having one to realise it regardless of how it came to you.

I guarantee this chap will regret doing what he has done.

[–]hotpants69 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom's sister in Austin was odd with her family of sons too. True. Microsoft

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