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Women are less likely to receive CPR 'because people are reluctant to touch their breasts', study finds. The fear of false accusations!

furchfur

November 13, 2017
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5077643/Women-likely-receive-CPR-men.html
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Title Women are less likely to receive CPR 'because people are reluctant to touch their breasts', study finds. The fear of false accusations!
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furchfur

Upvotes 195
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Date November 13, 2017 6:16 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
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[–]aokusman 74 points75 points76 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m a nurse in training and when I’m at clinical I avoid taking care of any female under 50.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Smart move

[–]fgdadfgfdgadf 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can choose?

[–]sample_size_of_on1 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Key word is 'avoid'.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 59 points60 points61 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Somehow this will be spun as entirely men's fault and another example of rape culture.

[–]ThirdTurnip 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe you missed it:

The findings suggest that CPR training may need to be improved. Even that may be subtly biased toward males — practice mannequins (they're not called 'woman-nequins') are usually male torsos, Blewer said.

[–]theothermod 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I had CPR training in Australia, the torso was a young female with blonde hair.

The class were told that the mannequin's appearance was based on that of a girl who had drowned. Her father subsequently set up a charity drive to supply CPR mannequins and training to as many organisations as possible.

That was his way of creating a memorial for his daughter.

I don't know if the story is true, but the mannequin was definitely female.

[+]GettingGains1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I never, ever help woman. I don't care how much help she looks like she needs. There is too much risk of being a "me too" story.

[+]elokr1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Or kids.

[–]PadaV4 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, you just need to meet one overzealous parent and your social life could be ruined.

[–]Egalai 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well it comes down to what you can live with. If that woman dies and you could’ve helped but you didn’t out of fear of persecution I can’t blame you and I don’t but I personally could not live with that decision

[–]Demonspawn 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://japantoday.com/category/national/man-revives-woman-with-aed-but-branded-pervert-for-removing-her-clothes-to-apply-electrode-pads

Nope.. no possible reason why men would fear false allegations.

[–]LongDistRider 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

U Penn's Dr. Benjamin Abella. 'You put your hands on the sternum, which is the middle of the chest. In theory, you're touching in between the breasts.'

LOL.... The media doesn't care about minor little details. Trial by public forum cares little for objective relevant facts. On top of that we could be accused of molestation 40 years from now when society's "morals" change again. Really how does a man prove his innocence 40 years after the fact? Yeah... best just to avoid it all together.

Even an AED requires skin contact which requires removing clothing. Well I learned he didn't need to expose my breasts to place AED pads... I am sorry madam, I was in a bit of a rush to get the AED pads placed so you didn't die.... You touched my breasts, you exposed my breasts for the whole world to see. You have caused me millions of dollars of mental anguish that will require millions more dollars of counseling. You are a pervert and an asshole.

There is the Good Samaritan law that may or may not protect the man. Do you really want to take the chance though? Lawyers are really expensive.

[–]mensrightsshyamalan 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is the Good Samaritan law that may or may not protect the man.

Some such laws protect against civil liability only, not criminal. And in many states it is considered sexual battery to "make physical contact with" the breasts of a female without her consent.

For example, here is Georgia's Sexual Battery statute (16-6-22.1):

(a) For the purposes of this Code section, the term "intimate parts" means the primary genital area, anus, groin, inner thighs, or buttocks of a male or female and the breasts of a female.

(b) A person commits the offense of sexual battery when he or she intentionally makes physical contact with the intimate parts of the body of another person without the consent of that person.

Oh, and if the victim is under 16, it's a felony.

And Georgia's good Samaritan law (51-1-29) only protects against civil liability:

Any person . . . who in good faith renders emergency care at the scene of an accident or emergency to the victims thereof without making any charge therefor shall not be liable for any civil damages as a result of any act or omission by such person in rendering emergency care or as a result of any act or failure to act to provide or arrange for further medical treatment or care for the injured person.

So to summarize, in Georgia, if you make physical contact with the breasts of an unconscious 15-year-old while performing CPR on her, you've committed a felony.

[–]LongDistRider 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same as Washington State.

[–]Blueswatbro 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you exposed my breasts for the whole world to see.

In CPR training, at least in Australia, we are taught to make a privacy barrier however the rest of your argument still stands

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention the lawsuit should you happen to leave a bruise or someone things your being "creepy"....

Nope.. just stand there and do nothing.

[–]btmims 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

leave a bruise

Oh, you sweet summer child. If you're doing CPR, you're going to leave more than a bruise, I mean, you usually end up dislocating the sternum ("more common in older patients," never had to do it on anyone under 50, myself) During the first few good compressions, you're going to hear a ton of cracking. Your sternum is connected to your ribs by cartilage, and the sternum usually tears away if you're getting adequate depth to compress the heart.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, but the media could spin it as "man leaves bruises on women" without even mentioning CPR.

[–]btmims 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do get where you're coming from, as a bystander.

But it's literally part of my job. I have yet to walk in on a family member initiating CPR, so that leaves just the three firefighters on scene to handle it (at least until the medic unit arrives). Ideally, one is doing compressions (the physically demanding part), another is ventilating, and the third is doing other stuff (prepping/applying other interventions like aed/airway adjunct, interviewing family/roommates, coordinating with EMS). Compressions are like a cross between pushups and jumping jacks, so eventually you start to get tired, and as hard as you think you can push yourself to keep pushing, your form starts breaking down after awhile. Form breakdown during an exercise is one thing, but not getting adequate compressions on a patient is unacceptable. So everybody switches around. Removing myself from compressions only gives two minutes of rest for the other two guys, compared to four, which may not be enough rest if the medic is delayed. Eventually they may start cycling back in without being fully recovered, and starting the cycle with inadequate compressions, much less towards the end.

[+]melonballerbabe1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Dear god if this ever happens to me I hope I'm unconscious. The cracking sounds gross. Btw thank you for saving people!

[–]btmims 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, yeah, you'll be unconscious. If the heart is moving oxygenated blood to your head well enough that you're conscious, CPR won't really help. You just need to go to the hospital for whatever your medical emergency is. CPR gets started when the heart/cardiovascular system is so out of wack or screwed up, the brain starts shutting down and we need to keep circulating the blood ourselves, to prevent brain cells from dieing. It's extremely uncommon for someone to regain consciousness in the middle of cpr, usually it only delivers enough oxygenated blood to keep the brain cells alive, they don't regain consciousness until after their trip to the hospital and the doctors/surgeons have fixed their problem.

And you're welcome, y'all are worth it. If you really want to thank first responders, try to take an interest in your local organizations and see how you can help, however big or small.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought that sometimes if you're in v-fib or something, palpating the heart can actually bring back into a normal rhythm.

[–]btmims 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a little above my pay grade, our department is just BLS. I have heard of people coming around from just CPR, but all I know is that nobody has woken up on me on scene or even in the back of an ambulance yet. Our training emphasizes that quick defibrillation and ALS care gives the best chances for survival, since cardioversion is most often achieved through electrical and medicinal means.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yea... good to know... thanks for reinforcing my point. When some ass hat sues you for saving their live.. yea.. fuck that...

[–]btmims 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all make our choices and take our chances. Good Samaritan laws will generally give legal coverage to bystanders that initiate CPR (check your particular state/jurisdiction for what your laws actually say), and medical control, standing orders, and a duty to act cover me. If I'm that afraid of getting sued, I should just go in the woods and completely remove myself from societal interactions altogether.

[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Or you could just not help... laws or not, some jack ass will sue you for something regardless of the laws on the books that are there to "protect" you...

[–]btmims 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone may try to sue you for not helping, too. People can and will try to sue over anything, whether it makes sense or not.

[–]deciples 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

i wont help a woman or child (save my wife and oen children) because even stopping to ser if they are in trouble at this point is to much risk. problem is if you dont save a drowning child (i remember there bring a story similar) you get called a psycopath or shamed in a diffrent way anyway. another feminist kafka trap. at some point they will have to admit that their policies are bad or that the point of their policies is this.

[–]furchfur[S] 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

At the place where I work the most of the men are now going to the pub in the evening without any of the women who work in the same office. The venue has changed and it is now "friends only". This is completely as a result of the hysteria of "me too". I do not know if it will last but you cannot have the same banter with female employees in the group. It is too dangerous for the firm.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

...Then the women complain to management that the menz are being mean to them. You can't win.

[–]furchfur[S] 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We have discussed that. Given that some of the male partners come with the men to the pub and given not every guy comes along, we are in the clear. It is a meeting of friends and external to work.

[–]oursland 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If my training was correct, failing to invite female coworkers is sexual discrimination.

If you choose to invite your female coworkers to the pub, that's sexual harassment.

Whatever you do, you're victimizing women, apparently.

[–]ThirdTurnip 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If my training was correct, failing to invite female coworkers is sexual discrimination.

That one's tricky.

If it's purely social then no. No-one is obliged to have any personal contact with anyone else outside of work.

But they could try to make a case that this after work group is some kind of clique with more power in the workplace than the uninvited women.

[–]oursland 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is what I've been told by HR.

The concept is that if you invite coworkers out, the topics of work or career advancement may come up and you've denied others the opportunity on the basis of sex.

[–]furchfur[S] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you are right. A CEO of a FTSE 100 company had to stop running with colleagues every morning before work, because he got changed and showered with the men and this was obviously closed of to female runners, who got changed without him.

[–]ThirdTurnip 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So not getting naked in front of women or requiring them to get naked in front of him, got him in trouble?

Do you remember any more details of the case? I wouldn't mind looking more closely at something that ironic.

[–]furchfur[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I will try and find it. It was a UK company.

[–]furchfur[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry No luck finding it. It was the CEO of a major company whose hobby was jogging before work. 7 am starts. Innocently he asked staff to come along with him and was then castigated because it gave men an unequal opportunity to talk to him while changing and showering. So he stopped inviting staff for a morning jog.

[–]wtfizhappnin7 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would you invite them anyway? So many are just so passive aggressive towards men probably because of feminist crap that they're hardly good company.

[–]furchfur[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most female employees are great but the problem you have that in a group of ten female employees there will be one that has a feminist axe to grind and you have to walk on egg shells and be very careful. Why give them ammunition to use at a future tribunal.

[–]ThirdTurnip 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I share your reluctance but risk assess.

I've helped an older woman who fell onto a busy street, with her husband and lots of other people around. That seemed pretty safe. Also grabbed a stroller which a woman had let go and turned away from to pick something up off the ground. It was rolling towards a busy street and imminent death was a real possibility.

But I've also left a kid who'd run out of his house alone a quieter street and walked on by a younger woman who had fell and cut her hand in a park.

[–]hartmann42 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

How is that any different from a woman saying that she won't help an innocent man in need because she is afraid that he will sexually assault her if she gets too close to him?

I mean sure there is always the risk of of your actions being misinterpreted, but I still believe that the vast majority of women and children will be more thankful than anything for you saving their lives.

During the Vegas shooting a lot of guys put their bodies around women and children to protect them. I don't see anyone calling them perverts today.

[–]ThirdTurnip 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean sure there is always the risk of of your actions being misinterpreted, but I still believe that the vast majority of women and children will be more thankful than anything for you saving their lives.

Yes the vast majority of women are decent human beings.

But the ones who aren't can destroy a man's life with a few nasty words. Once you've been on the receiving end of such words and seen how unreasonably and unjustly you're treated, the only sensible thing to do is treat all women as potentially dangerous.

Or these days you just need to read the news. See any sports star or actor accused of some kind of sexual misconduct and there's no presumption of innocence. No requirement for evidence. They suffer immediate consequences by way of suspension.

[–]hartmann42 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I respect your opinion, but I don't believe you should let fear stop you from doing what you believe is right.

[–]ThirdTurnip 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is not a personal failure of me to overcome fear.

This is a rational risk assessment.

I've stood in danger's way to help others and I still would in some circumstances. But courtesy of rape culture hysteria and the discrimination men face when even transparently false accusations are hurled at them, all interactions with women are potentially incredibly dangerous.

Men aren't just themselves either. They are a part of other people's lives. When a woman destroys a man with a false accusation she's potentially ripping him from all of those people's lives. Even if a man is willing to risk his life helping a woman for himself, he might not be willing to risk his children losing their father, or his wife her husband, etc. etc.

As I said above, I grabbed a stroller which was rolling towards a busy road. I was the only person there other than the woman who'd let go of it. Risking my life to save that kid's? Sure.

But I have walked on by others in less dire need and will continue doing so, because it's an insane risk.

[–]Mackowatosc 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not my kid? Not my business and not my problem.

[–]hartmann42 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not a personal failure of me to overcome fear.

Did anyone say that it is?

[–]furchfur[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man Defends Himself Against “Pervert” Allegations After Saving Woman’s Life

https://rescue-one.com/man-defends-himself-against-pervert-allegations-after-saving-womans-life/

[–]Sinsilenc 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had to help a little kid one time but i called 911 when i saw the kid right away, before i even approached them and had a cop show up.

[–]AloysiusC 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Everything about this is fucked up. Just everything. Women are literally dying because of this feminist racket. They think rape is worse that murder, sexual assault is worse than death and catcalling is worse than homelessness. I wonder if those who died would agree.... if they could.

[–]ThirdTurnip 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. This research does make it seem like rape culture hysteria is literally killing women.

[–]Imnotmrabut 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There was an interesting story about this over at The Good Men Project

Being found guilty when you are doing the right thing is tough. But, as MediaHound explains, being presumed guilty when you are saving a life is far tougher—and dangerous. https://archive.is/DRHJ0

[–]The_Last_Mammoth 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why did you post a screenshot of the headline and not the article?

[–]furchfur[S] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The Good Men Project is run by feminists. Did you know that?

[–]The_Last_Mammoth 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, I didn't. On the other hand if the article is good, who cares who wrote it? It's kind of annoying seeing a headline and not being able to read an article. How are you supposed to understand a complicated topic by just reading a headline?

[–]furchfur[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Male feminists : “The Good Men Project” Controversy

http://malefeminists.com/post/14687077821/the-good-men-project-controversy

[–]The_Last_Mammoth 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. It turns out, I just had no idea how archives work. I thought the original post was just a picture of the headline because that's what RES showed me. I didn't realize you could click on it and read the article. In any case, thank you for posting it and putting up with my technological illiteracy.

[–]Imnotmrabut 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Darling - that is not a screenshot - just an archive copy.

The Good Men Project (AKA the Good Rape Project) is a hotbed of Misandry with the occasional gem like this.

If you are unable to grasp how the hyperlink (https://archive.is/DRHJ0) works, just copy the headline text to google and you will find the original text.

"Being found guilty when you are doing the right thing is tough. But, as MediaHound explains, being presumed guilty when you are saving a life is far tougher—and dangerous." 

[–]The_Last_Mammoth 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see. RES treats it like an image so that's what I thought it was. You can expand it like you can with images.

I guess I'm too old for all this fancy technology.

[–]xEj-mN1N67q_N4ScZIl 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

True story. When I was in high school there was a girl who accused me of sexually assaulting her (grabbing her boobs) after I rejected dating her. The entire school believed her and wanted to kick my ass. Her father, the chief of police, even showed up at my parents house and threatened to arrest me. The whole ordeal was pretty traumatic. It wasn't until she accused 2 other men for sexually assaulting her that people stopped hating me.

Fast-forward 7 years later and I'm training to be an EMS dispatcher. I had just finished the CPR recert a week ago. I was traveling behind an SUV that was speeding on some backroads. When I came around a corner I saw the SUV flipped over and a woman laying in the grass. She was thrown from the vehicle. I quickly pulled over and ran up the hill to check on the unconscious woman. Right as I was about to check her pulse, I realized who she was. I immediately noped the fuck out of there, called 911 to report the accident and left the scene.

I found out the next day from my work that she had died. I'm not sure if performing CPR would have saved her or not, but I wasn't willing to risk touching her.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The sad thing is, many European countries have "duty to rescue" laws which would've required you to help. Thankfully the US is the land of the free which has no such requirement.

[–]Kevin84333 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

just curious who was it?

[–]MizterUltimaman 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Context clues say it was the same woman who falsely accused her of sexual assault back in high school.

[–]Havikz -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how you could do that. You left her to die because of a grudge? Do you have no guilt for being tangentially responsible for a death? I know what she did to you was shitty, but one of the biggest eye openers for people is mercy despite hatred, she could have forgave you and cleared your name/etc. I don't care who the hell someone is or what they did, I would try to help them no matter what.

[–]dmgll 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She put the whole school against him, her father threatened him, his whole life could have been easily ruined for some retarded fake ass accusation. She fully deserved it (even though the story sounds fake since i dont think anybody would seriously confess leaving someone to die and feminists could easily go on a doxxing mission)

[–]xEj-mN1N67q_N4ScZIl 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't deserve to die. However, I'm not risking ruining my life to save hers. Doxx away, I did what was legally correct to protect myself. CPR is not mandatory where I live.

[–]Havikz -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He had the skills to possibly help save her life, and he chose not to. I don't give a shit what you say, even if it's fake it's an incredibly shitty thing to even think about doing. Somebody's life weighs far more than a tarnished reputation. You could fix a reputation, you can't fix a life. If anything this probably only pushed the point that he's a vindictive asshole.

[–]Demonspawn 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He had the skills to possibly help save her life, and he chose not to

Yep... she made her bed, now she gets to lie in it.

[–]PadaV4 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And here is how it could be interpreted by her father.

Poor girl gets in a accident, unfortunately for her, her unconscious body gets discovered by a dude who had molested her in high school and was threatened by her dad for that. Dude proceeds to take revenge. Heavily beats up her unconscious body and gropes her on top of that.

Her cop dad could have pulled some strings and locked him away for good. I dont blame him for getting the fuck away from there.

[–]ThirdTurnip 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if their story is legit, but there's absolutely no way I'd help my stalker, harasser and false accuser. That would be an insane risk.

She twisted everything imaginable and then some into malicious complaints.

Running away as quickly as possible and hoping she didn't notice me is exactly what I'd do.

[–]xEj-mN1N67q_N4ScZIl 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yea and have her father show up to the call and catch me giving her mouth to mouth? That's exactly how white knights like yourself end up in prison.

[+]Havikz -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee you that nobody would ever mistake mouth to mouth as sexual harassment at a crash site.

I'm not a white knight. I don't give a shit what or who somebody is, I would help them. Choosing to leave somebody for death is sickening.

[–]xEj-mN1N67q_N4ScZIl 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee you that nobody would ever mistake mouth to mouth as sexual harassment at a crash site.

I guess you missed the title of this thread.

I'm not a white knight.

Let's go with incredibly ignorant instead.

Here's a man who was accused of sexual assault for using an AED at a crash site - https://japantoday.com/category/national/man-revives-woman-with-aed-but-branded-pervert-for-removing-her-clothes-to-apply-electrode-pads

[+]Havikz -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The title exclaims that there is a fear of false accusation, not necessarily that it will get you accused of sexual assault. You played into this mentality, so in essence, you played yourself. The article hasn't showed anybody actually facing repercussions, only that the fear exists.

The article you've provided is one case out of, how many people have received on-site medical aide? Hundreds of millions? A billion?

It sounds to me you've made up a story to sound cool and strong, but in reality you sound like a paranoid, vindictive asshole that can't get over a grudge when the time comes.

You're no better than a Feminist that looks at a man and brands them a rapist.

[–]xEj-mN1N67q_N4ScZIl 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So what you're saying is that there is a fear of false accusation. But the false accusations themselves don't actually exist. Except for the one I just cited, but that one doesn't count because it's one in a million.

Also, the story I wrote is made up, but the grudge is a real story.

Whew.

[–]Mackowatosc 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that fear is enough.

[–]theothermod 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You left her to die because of a grudge?

Not because of a grudge, but because of a rational assessment of the risks involved. He remembered that she had falsely accused him before, and that meant she might falsely accuse him again.

[–]drunkjake 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, fuck that.

she could have forgave you and cleared your name/etc.

Or she could have falsely accused him again.

I don't care who the hell someone is or what they did, I would try to help them no matter what.

Good for you being so altruistic.

[–]aokusman 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unintended consequences.

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I recall an incident where a tradesman in a white van didn't help a little girl and she died. The tradesman was reluctant to help because he knew some people would think he was a paedophile.

[–]goodfoobar 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AFAIK this has been recognized as an issue with CPR for a very long time. That is part of the reason CPR training is often done on Resusci Anne dolls with a female figure and face. Anne dolls are what I received CPR training on.

[–]azazelcrowley 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This would make feminist vilification of men the 10th leading cause of death for women in the US, according to some quick math, purely from this one expression of that issue.

[–]berger77 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just did red cross training for disaster stuff. They made it very clear if you're a man doing the paperwork for a woman you are never to do it alone especially in their car.

[–]PJackson6 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quite right too. I also wouldn't intervene if I were to see children playing on a level crossing or some other dangerous place. Why run the risk of a false accusation?

[–]aircoft 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too bad they brought it on themselves... It really is a shame....

[–]BruceCampbell123 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wasn't there a Japanese guy who got shitted all over for saving a woman's life for something like this?

[–]Blueswatbro 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://japantoday.com/category/national/man-revives-woman-with-aed-but-branded-pervert-for-removing-her-clothes-to-apply-electrode-pads

Is this what you mean?

[+]tabbytabtab1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the only possible explanation, right guys? lmao

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And the other explanation is.... That people just hate women so they just let them die? GTFO.

[–]OnTheSlope 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The other explanation is it's only a difference of 6%, could just be random chance or some slight, unknown factor.

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