U.S. military generals want women to register for draft

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Truth, I often times was a dismounted MK48 gunner in Afghanistan. I was 215 ish in PTs...with full kit I was nearly 100 pounds heavier...Even heavier for 3 day lp-op type missions.

Kevlar, plate carrier, tap system, 600 rounds of ammo, 80 round starter belt, MK 48, nods, chem lights, peq-15, PAS thermals, batteries batteries batteries, MBITR (batteries batteries batteries), 4 first strike MRE's, full camel back, plus 2 liter extra water, Medium ruck, rino mount, helmet flashlight, extra surfire EOF laser/super awesome at night lighter upper. IFAC, gloves, wooby, pt cap...and I'm sure much more.

When I was dismounted M4 10 mags, 200 rounds belted for our gunners, 2 60mm mortars, plus all the fixings listed above. except the things that we didn't need for day missions. What I listed above was for multi day missions.

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To counter this:

There are two kinds of physical fitness tests - the kind that are meant to test the ability to perform a specific task, and the kind meant to establish a general fitness level.

If the tests are the latter type, it makes perfect sense for females to have lower requirements, because a women in decent physical condition will be statistically weaker than a man in decent physical condition - after all, if you are in a combat zone, how will the ability to do 200 sit-ups help you survive?

If the tests are the former type, they need to be congruent. If a 200lb man on the front line is wounded and needs to be dragged to safety for treatment, you bet every single person - male or female - on the front line needs to be capable of lifting 200lbs.

I agree that the female fitness tests in the military need an extensive rework, but it's important to remember that not all tests are created equal.

EDIT: Getting a lot of downvotes, but nobody saying anything. WTF people? This is literally how it works.

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Congressman Daniel Webster put it better in 1814 than I ever could.

"The administration asserts the right to fill the ranks of the regular army by compulsion...Is this, sir, consistent with the character of a free government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, sir, indeed it is not...Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?

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Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?

The ground that you walk on, and those rights that you enjoy. They didn't come from thin air - people fought for and died for them. You don't get them for free. You need to at least be willing to fight for the same, or you aren't worthy of those rights and privileges.

You could just as easily say this:

The administration asserts the right to make people follow the law by compulsion...Is this, sir, consistent with the character of a free government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, sir, indeed it is not...Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to be imprisoned for murdering or raping? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?

I should also clarify that I don't completely agree with all of this. IMO, there's a big huge hole in our legal system which is that at no point does anyone agree to abide by the laws they're forced to abide by. I think when people reach legal adulthood, if they want to live in a society they should have the choice to either agree to follow the laws of that society (which involves learning those laws) and enjoy the privileges of living there, or they can choose not to and live elsewhere. Otherwise we're forced into the situation we have now where people are forced to be drafted without their consent (among other things). In that sense I do agree with the spirit of the quote you quoted.

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Thank you, exactly my point. I think I probably came in a little strong with 'I didn't ask to be born here'. It sounded like I wasn't proud of my country, which isn't true. I am, very much. I was trying to make a point: the fact that I was born here doesn't mean that I 'owe' my country anything. My birth could have just as easily happened across the globe, and I wouldn't know any different.

But you're exactly right, forced conscription to the government is an affront to liberty and personal freedom. If WWIII broke out tomorrow however, and there was a real threat to my home and country, then yes, I could see myself joining, but to imply that someone who doesn't lay their life on the line for their country doesn't deserve the rights that country provides is just ridiculous. What's are you even fighting for at that point?

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I assume your military, so I'll just say, while you were busting your ass I was in college, lazily getting my degrees and trying to get my dick wet. I don't give a shit that is what you wanted to do with your life, and don't really care if you think I'm a pussy.

But what you have to ask yourself is, if the shit hit the fan, would you really want someone like me next to you, watching your back? Not that I wouldn't fight if I had to, but I guarantee you, specifically because I don't want to be there but was forced into it, I wouldn't have put what was needed into training or being a good soldier. And guess what, now you're dead. Congratulations. And, for that matter, so am I. Which is why I didn't want to be there in the first place.

Does that sound like a good argument for the draft to you?

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6.2 Fraternization and Adverse Personal Relationships Based on the interviews, there also appears to be uncertainty among CAF members with respect to the line between personal relationship, adverse personal relationship, and sexual misconduct. The expressions fraternization and adverse personal relationship appear to be a particular source of confusion for many members. DAOD 5019-1 uses the expressions personal relationship, adverse personal relationship, and fraternization. A personal relationship is defined as an “emotional, romantic, sexual or family relationship between two CAF members, a CAF member and a DND employee or contractor, or a CAF member and a member of an allied force.” An adverse personal relationship is described as a personal relationship that has “a negative effect on the security, cohesion, discipline or morale of a unit”. Fraternization, by contrast, does not involve a relationship between two CAF members, but rather “any relationship between a CF member and a person from an enemy or belligerent force,” or “a local inhabitant within a theatre of operations where CF members are deployed.” Unlike the conduct included in the DAOD 5019-5 policy on sexual misconduct, however, DAOD 5019-1 does not clearly prohibit adverse personal relationships. It is the responsibility of the CO to impose restrictions on a personal relationship. If the relationship contravenes the local policy established by the CO, administrative and disciplinary measures may be imposed.176 Adverse relationships are usually prosecuted under s. 129 of the National Defence Act. 177 Even if the CO is not in a position to impose a disciplinary sanction, he or she can enforce administrative measures, for example by asking for the transfer of one of the individuals in the adverse relationship to another unit. Despite the definitions set out in the policies, most interviewees who referred to the existence of personal relationships in the CAF mistakenly used the expression fraternization, 178 illustrating the degree to which many members are confused about these concepts. Significantly, numerous interviewees cited examples of personal relationships between members of different rank in which interviewees perceived a clear potential for abuse of power.179 Participants questioned whether such relationships were truly consensual180 and expressed concern about their negative impact on the morale of many members, and on the cohesion of the unit as a whole.181 In particular, interviewees referred to the training context as being a particularly fertile ground for dubious personal relationships, and described what was perceived to be a double standard for officers.182

None of these situations are expressly addressed in the policies. Indeed, when the concept of adverse personal relationship was raised with members involved in the implementation of the policies, many were quick to point out the difficulty of controlling such relationships.183 However, DAOD 5019-1 specifically states that leaders shall engage in “the protection of vulnerable CF members and others” by “[imposing] restrictions on personal relationships if required” and “[ensuring] that CF members and others in the care or protection of the CF are not subjected to coercion or exploitation”. Thus while adverse personal relationships may not always be easy to control, this is nevertheless one of the responsibilities of CAF leaders. The difficulty is that the policies, as currently framed, do not address the ways in which relationships between members of different rank may be inherently coercive or have a negative impact on member morale and the cohesion of a unit. The ERA appreciates the need to respect the right of members to form personal relationships, as well as the privacy interests of members in their relationships. However, because of the deeply hierarchical nature of the organizational structure in the CAF, and because of the inherent risk for abuse of power, the CAF and should address such relationships at a policy level. With the participation of CASAH, the definition of adverse personal relationship should be clarified to address situations of power imbalance more explicitly, including by creating an administrative presumption that personal relationships between members of different rank are adverse personal relationships unless the relationship has been disclosed to the appropriate authority. The senior-ranking member involved in such relationship should be held responsible if the relationship is not properly disclosed. The ERA further notes that there may be situations in which a relationship between members in different positions of authority amounts to sexual assault, where the imbalance of power is such that the lower-ranking member has not freely consented to engage in the sexual activity. These circumstances are discussed with respect to the concept of consent, below.

Yeah, that's copied direct from the article. You can feel free to show me where it even begins to suggest what you claim it does, because I'm not seeing it, and I highly doubt anyone else would be able to either.

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I'm looking at a few news articles about the report and nothing seems to say anything about it being wrong or misleading.

Would you mind giving a few examples of the errors and fallacies and "real howlers" in this 102 page report you just slammed down in your comment? I'm not assuming that it's wrong, because there's always been a history of sexual harassment in armed forces (my mother, a former Lt. Colonel in the NZ Army, can attest to that, along with countless other women working/serving in the military).

Plus, the only thing I've even heard about the writer (former Supreme Court justice Marie Deschamps) so far is that she's apparently both a "twit" and "a rampant feminist" (both from this thread). Is there any evidence for this outside of /u/xMcNaughtyx's comment?

Quick edit: Deschamps was also asked to write the report by the Canadian government. I would think that someone in her position would prefer to remain objective about something as big as sexual harassment in the armed forces, or at the very least not use it to push some apparent agenda of her own.

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do you honestly think that women are going to be better at handling watching their boyfriend or husband go down? I'd argue they'd probably handle it worse emotionally.

You're basing that on what? Your vast experience with women in a crisis? Well, based on MY experience with women in crises, they tended to hold together better than men emotionally. So, I guess either neither of us are right, or both are, and the truth is that the ability to handle a crisis emotionally is INDIVIDUAL, not gendered.

I'm sorry, but men are just better at being soldiers.

I'm not disputing that at all. I agree with you there. But guys with a certain body type make better soldiers than other guys without it. Guys with acute hearing make better soldiers than guys with average hearing. Guys that are above average make better soldiers than normal guys. So, then we should just segregate all of them based on that too, rather than allowing the superior men to help the inferior ones reach higher levels. No, we should just have 1 or 2 regiments all made up of Johnny Ricos, and then the whole rest of the military be nothing but Gomer Pyle. Makes perfect sense.

I'm sure that hurts your fee-fee's, but you're going to just have to deal with it.

See, now you're just being childish, and I can only assume you think I'm some idiot SJW who wants the military to be 100% women because they're superior. No, I want women to have to register for selective service. I want that spectre over their heads that at any moment, the US can send them overseas to die for some bullshit that they didn't want us involved in in the first place. I want them to be truly equal. With all the bullshit that comes with being male.

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If you decide to help that person out, then that's on you, not on your gender, or who you're sexually attracted to. If your friend went down, I'm sure you would do the exact same thing, not because you're in love with them, but because that's basic human nature.

What you're saying, is that because someone is sexually attracted to someone else, they shouldn't be in the same MOS. That's like saying that homosexuals should be segregated because they may fall in love with someone from the same MOS. Then you're saying we should stick homosexual men in the women's MOS, and homosexual women in the mens MOS?

If your wife/lover goes down in combat, then you should do what's going to save her, not what's potentially going to get you both killed. If that means cover fire until it's safe to retrieve the wounded, then do that, not run out into a firefight to try and pick up the wounded, that's exactly what they want. I'm sure you're firmiliar with shoot to wound not to kill, it takes 2 people (usually) to carry the wounded off the field.

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The MRA doesnt do anything different than feminism.

The only difference is women are crying/bitching, only with less facts on their side, and yet both genders (men and women) have an in group preference for women. Nobody gives a fuck about men. But see a woman in trouble? OMG HELP HER!

Women have gotten numerous laws passed and with the help of men, they earn lots of money for the state. The government loves feminists. Now they can take a chunk of divorce money. They make oodles in the family courts. Women are also huge consumers who buy tons of shit. So they love when women get more money. So preferential hiring for women, gotta get more quotas for them too!

edit: im done responding though, you seem to be deluding yourself that somehow men could get people to care about them like women do, and im telling you it's just not possible. The only way anything gets changed is if females get hurt from it.

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There are MANY countries with mandatory military service.

3.1 Armenia 3.2 Austria 3.3 Belarus 3.4 Azerbaijan 3.5 Bermuda 3.6 Brazil 3.7 Myanmar (Burma) 3.8 Cyprus 3.9 Denmark 3.10 Egypt 3.11 Finland 3.12 Greece 3.12.1 Conscientious objection to military service in Greece 3.13 Iran 3.14 Israel 3.15 North Korea 3.16 South Korea 3.16.1 Compensation 3.17 Mexico 3.18 Norway 3.19 Russia 3.20 Singapore 3.21 Switzerland 3.22 Taiwan (ROC) 3.23 Thailand 3.24 Turkey 3.25 Ukraine 3.26 United Arab Emirates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service

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How about a college level course on philosophy and ethics? How about studying law or medicine? How about using your mind however you see fit?

There are far better ways to make great men than drafting them for two years into military service.

Also consider this, the Army has Fort Leavenworth, the Marines have Pendleton, the Navy has Norfolk and Pearl, and there are more than twenty other detention centers that span the globe to imprison American military personnel. This begs the questions, if the military is such an excellent molder of men, why are so many of them in prison?

Lastly, if this program was enacted by the the US and its Allies years ago we would live in a world without the Rolling Stones, without Jack Kerouac. No Clash, No Nirvana.

What do we get from military musicians.... fuckin James Blunt. We don't need a world with more James Blunts.

Young men should be out getting lost and I don't mean in the desert. Yeah its a good choice for some, military service, but it's just that a choice. Wouldn't you rather serve with men and women that want to be there?

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How about a college level course on philosophy and ethics? How about studying law or medicine? How about using your mind however you see fit?

So you don't have an answer. Just that other things can potentially offer the same benefits. I never claimed the military was the only way to teach humility, respect, and discipline; if fact I said the exact opposite. As for focusing on philosophy and ethics, let's see how far that gets you in the real world. At least the military has plenty of opportunities for learning skills and trades that can be used after leaving, without a mountain of debt from a school-based focus on philosophy or ethics. Whether it should be like that is a different story, but that's the world we live in.

Also consider this, the Army has Fort Leavenworth, the Marines have Pendleton, the Navy has Norfolk and Pearl, and there are more than twenty other detention centers that span the globe to imprison American military personnel. This begs the questions, if the military is such an excellent molder of men, why are so many of them in prison?

The United States as a whole also has a higher incarceration rate than most of (if not all of) the rest of the world. For many people, military service is seen as the only route left for them. I know of at least 10 people from my high school graduating class that have done things that have led them to where the only place they can find left is the military specifically because the requirements are lower than many other jobs. Whether that is really their only opportunity or not isn't up to us to decide, for that person the rest of the economy has either let them down, or their decisions have led them to that point. The fact is that the military often is willing to take those people where other businesses would not. You must take that into account since it does skew results.

Lastly, if this program was enacted by the the US and its Allies years ago we would live in a world without the Rolling Stones, without Jack Kerouac. No Clash, No Nirvana.

Because all military service immediately precludes the possibility of a person becoming literary or musical icon.

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That opinion is typically held by anti-American leftist deadlocked, Che Guvera T-shirt wearing Liberal Arts majors. Soldiers are smarter and better educated than their civilian counterparts on average. It goes without saying that they are more motivated and more disciplined. They also belong to something bigger than themselves, which has inherent valuein that it teaches them the importance of integrity, humility, and cooperation.

Soldiers migt not seem cooperative, humble, or respectful to civilians, but they don't directly answer to civilians. As far as soldiers are concerned, civilians are the people that send them to Iraq where they die one after another to take individual houses, streets and cities from ISIS' predecessor, only for those same civilians to order those soldiers to leave and give it back to the same people they died to take it from. Soldiers don't have respect for civilians, and I can't blame them. There is no whinier, self-absorbed, needy a group of people than smug, arrogant civilians criticizing everything a soldier does from the sidelines. Zero skin in the game but they can't wait to get home and upload their edgy little protest pics with their edgy little picket signs to Facebook.

There is no question that civilians hold a quiet disdain for the military, and that quiet disdain is mutual.

This sign was found at a US military facility in Ramadi, Iraq. It reads:

“America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war; America is at the mall.”

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/america-is-not-at-war-america-is-at-the-mall

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Soldiers are on average absolutely better than the vast majority of their civilian counterparts. Pound for pound there is no other person you would rather have next to you in a scenario that might require integrity, decision making skills, sense of urgency, or willingness to execute action. Every soldier, no matter how menial, is made better in one way or another through his time spent with an organization that holds him accountable for his responsibilities, forces him to form cohesive relationships with peers, encourages his personal growth, and encourages leadership. The extreme nature of the job can have detrimental effects (in some MOS'), but if not for war the overall experience of serving would only have positive impacts on a person. That being said the nature in which some (MOS') serve can attract extreme personalities, but they aren't indicative of the majority. Imagine a bunch of future football dads, and these are basically the people the US DoD are pumping out. Good guys, undeniably.

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Hmm, I don't remember that scene. How ironic that you would use the Gladiator to try and justify being a soldier though. If anything that movie shows that the soldier is disposable to the state, evident by how the state betrays their best soldier and rapes and kills his family and then forces him into slavery afterwards. Why would that narrative be a promotion of being a soldier for the state?

Anyways I am opposed to being in the imperialistic US army. Why would I want to go kill a bunch of goat farmers so that some shadow politicians can get oil wealth mostly for themselves? This doesn't mean that I wouldn't fight in a defensive war, or defend myself against aggression. I just don't think it's "defending myself or country" to go and invade a country on the other side of the planet.

You're that guy in Gladiator who pisses himself beside Maximus.

I'm going to quote you so you always look like a dumbass on here.

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Title	U.S. military generals want women to register for draft
Author	joecooool418
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Date	February 2, 2016 9:08 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
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