Company releases salaries of all employees internally.

Lethn · 2015-10-26T12:44:51+00:00

This is why I have come to respect mathematics so much, if you ask me, every company should point this out and show the salaries so the lies about the wage gap can finally end.

It would also show up any politicians supporting this too.

McFeely_Smackup · 2015-10-26T17:19:45+00:00

I had a woman who worked for me once (IT engineering) who was mad at a male coworker for being an idiot (he was), storm into my office and begin ranting about how unfair it was that "dave" was an idiot and yet he earned more than her just because she was a woman.

Literally said "just because I'm a woman".

I informed her that Dave was the lowest paid engineer my group because he was the most junior, and that as a senior project manager she earned MORE than him and the highest paid engineer in the group was female.

She got very flustered and apologized, saying "well I just assumed...". She'd so totally swallowed the "women get paid less" line that the real world didn't even enter into consideration.

Ironically, she's a senior director now making a LOT more than a great many men under her and probably thinks that's fair because of (insert reasons people get paid more here).

TacoNinjaSkills · 2015-10-26T13:46:53+00:00

But but but-- it's the same work!

The same work!

/s

In reality, feminists seem to know fuck-all about what an organization is or what an organization does. They fail to grasp organizations on a very very fundamental level. And we see this all over the place in their analyses, from things like the old wage gap accusation to their beliefs about how toy companies supposedly brainwash girls into wanting to play with dolls when, deep down, the girls really want to play with toy trucks but the toy companies won't allow them to desire trucks.

For starters, feminists do not seem to realize that a profit-seeking organization is out to make as much money as it can. If feminists do realize this, they don't understand the ramifications. Instead, they seem to regard profit-seeking organizations as vehicles for men to acquire power and, in the process of allowing men to acquire power, these companies do some sort of bullshit production of widgets on the side and the widgets are not really very important to the company at all. No, the really important thing is men acquiring power within the company and the widgets are just a kind of sideshow. So stuff like the production of widgets, the technical issues, the raw materials, the corporation's balance sheet... feminists don't give a shit about how ANY of that stuff works, it's just not very interesting to them. The only interesting thing to them is the groins of the people sitting at the desks while the widgets are being pointlessly churned-out. And if there's X number of one kind of groin and Y number of the other kind of groin, that's totally unfair. That's all they care about, widgets and the money to be made by selling widgets can go to hell, those things are irrelevant to their analysis.

And, what's more, customers do not actually buy widgets because they wish to consume widgets. No. The company pumps-out widgets and then forces the customers to consume widgets via advertising. A company could, presumably, churn-out 700-pound irregularly shaped chunks of tungsten and people would buy them because the tv set would tell them to buy 700-pound irregularly shaped chunks of tungsten. Consumers are completely mindless, see, and they buy what the television tells them to buy. So this is why feminists act as if 'sexy Halloween costumes' are being produced and forced onto women who don't want to buy them. The relationship between supply and demand is something that completely seems to escape them. They seem to think that supply is put-out into the world regardless of what consumers want, like in a Soviet-style command economy, and that demand is artificially whipped-up through the manipulation of people's brains. They don't seem to get the idea that if a company produced something that does not sell, the company either needs to change its products or go out of business.

And so on and so forth, it's like they don't comprehend some very basic things. Whenever I see feminists opining about the inner-workings of companies, it becomes obvious to me that a lot of them have never actually worked a job in a company in their lives.

iandmlne · 2015-10-26T15:55:59+00:00

The only thing that surprises me about this anecdote is that the women actually conceded.

ghebert001 · 2015-10-26T13:01:17+00:00

Pretty much what this guy says.

manofsea · 2015-10-26T17:07:39+00:00

It is important it show how women's own decisions limit there pay rates.

moration · 2015-10-26T17:39:31+00:00

I work at a public university. All salaries are open.

kaluh_glarski · 2015-10-26T17:57:53+00:00

Boom.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2015-10-26T18:47:22+00:00

They actually said that they understand why they don't get paid as much as the men and why they don't want to be if it means giving up what they have now. Much more family freedom

Which is great for both parties. The women are now empowered with that knowledge and make decisions accordingly, and if desired could change their decisions, as could the men.

Feminists probably at their core understand this, but realize they'd rather secure female loyalty for their political pet projects, or just prioritize appearing like they're doing good than actually do so.

MrDoradus · 2015-10-26T13:37:23+00:00

I personally wouldn't want my salary be known to all my co-workers, was this anonymous (save the sex, education and position) or was it full disclosure, names included?

And yeah, I'm sick and tired of this wage-gap myth. It's been debunked so many times, it's almost like debating the existence of a deity with a religious person. And some people, feminists, will simply choose to believe the "wage gap" exists (the way they explain it) for all eternity to come.

So let's move on and stop giving them free pigeon chess exercises, because every debate on the "wage gap" I've seen, was like the one /u/ghebert001 linked. The feminists get destroyed with arguments, fail/refuse to address the points these arguments make, and then strut around victoriously when it's all over.

GearGrind · 2015-10-27T13:31:57+00:00

Oh how I wish all workplaces did this. Talking about salary is a BIG no-no in Sweden however.

Except for the alleged pay gap.

corky_douglas · 2015-10-26T18:29:43+00:00

I find it unfortunate that using PTO is a factor in salary.

lowsodiummonkey · 2015-10-26T15:24:54+00:00

Only women in IT can potentially agree with this because they work in field that uses logic. Everywhere else women still wouldn't consider this acceptable. At my work some women programmers get paid more because it's just hard to find and keep talented/skilled women in the IT. The company doesn't want to loose them.

nowaygreg · 2015-10-26T15:48:56+00:00

It's chill that it all worked out and everyone is happy, but I wouldn't want my company announcing my pay to everyone like that, even to prove a point. Unless it was voluntary...? I was brought up to treat finances as a private matter. I'd hate for my salary to be public knowledge, just as I'd hate my medical records to be available to everyone.

Lobstermansunion · 2015-10-26T18:45:47+00:00

I would flip the fuck out if my employer released my salary to everyone with my name on it.

SexistFlyingPig · 2015-10-26T17:57:35+00:00

Especially when you put it in terms of actual dollars.

Advanced degree gets you $4000 per year.
Willing to work weekends/holidays gets you $2000 per year.
etc.

When it comes right down to it, most men are willing to work more for more money whereas most women are not if they have to give up time with their family as long as they have enough money.

For instance, you can work a normal 40-hour week, 8-5 every day, and make $50,000. This will pay all your expenses: house, healthcare, car payments for a new car every 3 years, etc. Or you can work 60 hours a week for $75,000 a year. The vast majority of women would pick option A over option B because A gives a much higher quality of life for a woman.

ramot1 · 2015-10-27T03:44:51+00:00

Family time is more than enough to compensate for reduced salary. I, a male, would have so made that sort of trade. Do you have any idea how many holidays, birthdays for my kids that I missed due to work?

They are all up and gone now, and I wonder if my relationships with my kids would be better if I had spent more time with them when they were growing up.

2015-10-27T12:48:24+00:00

This was not anon. This was done with full names, no other info. And was done on internal network only. No connection to internet.

roharareddit · 2015-10-28T13:00:58+00:00

The Pay Gap: women making choices that they themselves do not allow the men in their lives to have.

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