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Prominent Feminist Julie Burchill’s son Jack (29) commits suicide

ourthirdsixsoul

July 2, 2015
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Title Prominent Feminist Julie Burchill’s son Jack (29) commits suicide
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ourthirdsixsoul

Upvotes 119
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Date July 2, 2015 1:00 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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Comments

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Well, if the men who manage football think that 545 under-24 male suicides a year is a more frightening statistic than two women killed each week - and hundreds of thousands injured every year - by the men they live with, then they must be even stupider than they look; though it's hard to imagine, I know. But I can't help feeling they're on very dodgy ground, taking on the young male suicide thing. For a start, it's a phony panic, catering to that lowest of modern male desires - to be a victim - for if we are to use the desire for death as a barometer of stress and misery levels among young people, then surely the fact that vastly more young women attempt suicide must mean that young women are still under far more pressure than young men. (Anorexia and bulimia, the scenic-route suicides, are still something like three-quarters female.)

Hey look it's the exact argument that AMRat put forth. THE THIRD WAVE IS TOTES DIFFERENT THAN THE SECOND THO

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[–]anon_and_on 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

its something like 4500 male and 1500 female suicides in 2013. I know she said 545 but I wonder where it came from.

[–]GHGCottage 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Standard feminist procedure:lie to minimize any problems of men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

545 under-24 male suicides a year

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More than 5x because that's more significant, not equally significant.

[–]Poisenedfig -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep because am individual causing their own death should take priority over one person murdering another.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

More women attempt suicide sure, but way more men actually go through with it. How convenient of her to not mention that. Also, the irony of saying that "being a victim is the lowest of modern male desires".

[–]Keiichi81 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Being a victim is our schtick! Women have a monopoly on victimhood. How dare you disgusting pig males try to appropriate that from us!"

[–]1337Gandalf 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they say as they appropriate literally everything men have made.

[–]Bwhitty23 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When men consider suicide they are usually more serious with going through with it. When females do it it's likely a cry for help and they don't actually want to complete the act.

[–]bane9907 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or attention as some cases may be.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, but they're not really trying. It's a "cry for help."

[–]ashlaaaaay 35 points36 points37 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/q9bMg3U.jpg

[–]baserace 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, just wow.

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent quote.

[–]pnw_diver 77 points78 points79 points 11 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

I read the absolutely hateful anti-man screed attributed to Burchill on the topic of male suicide, and anyone who has any doubt whatsoever about the real character of feminism should read it as well:

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/oct/16/weekend7.weekend6

Its a shame her son killed himself, but not a surprise at all. She should have been blocked from having kids. I look forward to her follow-on essay about how she couldn't care less about her son's suicide because he was probably just a raping, woman-beating pig anyway.

[–]levelate 63 points64 points65 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

it's not a shame, it is a fucking tragedy, the poor bastard thought that that was his only option.

i imagine her follow up to this will be how she is the victim here.

[–]pnw_diver 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Without a doubt she'll have to rationalize it all away somehow.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it actually was his best available option. Some people have hard lives.

[–]walkonthebeach 59 points60 points61 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

"That young men succeed in suicide more often than girls isn't really the point. Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they're better at than girls."

[–]rottingchrist 55 points56 points57 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That whole article is dripping with contempt for boys and men who commit suicide.

The last time I suggested that suicides should be left to get on with it, I received a small number of letters from people whose sons had killed themselves. All of them demanded an apology. I'd advise them this time to save their stamps because, you see, I don't care.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

God what a terrible woman.

I feel for her son. But she deserves whatever misery she's feeling right now.

[–]1337Gandalf 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminist ideology goes to those crazies core, I'll bet anything she truly doesn't give a fuck.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Holy shot, this is an actual quote? How has she no been prosecuted? Doesn't the UK have hate speech legislation?

[–]Keiichi81 35 points36 points37 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody gives a shit about hate speech directed at white males.

[–]iehava 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

While I agree that she and what she has written here is absolutely disgusting, the very last thing we should be encouraging is criminalizing any sort of speech or expression.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree. If they pass laws like that, they deserve to be bitten in the ass by them.

Do you know what happens in the real world when you refuse to fight back? You fucking lose. Nobody sings songs about what a noble son of a bitch you were. Nobody gives a shit about that. The people you claimed to be fighting for will hate you for being ineffective and raising their hopes, while the people you are fighting against you will gleefully kick your teeth in and go on with their lives convinced that they were right and you were wrong, and that you must on some level know that because you didn't even lift a finger to defend yourselves.

Honor is a trick smart people play on dumb ones.

[–]iehava 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And how soon until Feminists want to say that not only is the MRM a "hate group" but any discussion that advocates the MRM (or is critical of feminism because it supposedly stands for "equal rights") is considered hate speech. Furthermore, this means that you have to accept that there is some arbiter, some person or group of people who get to decide for me, you, and everyone else, what constitutes "hateful" speech and expression, or what is deemed speech or expression unfit for me to hear.

No: Anytime you take away the rights of others, you are fashioning the rod for your own back. Any time you limit the free speech of another person, you are preparing this limit to be placed upon you. This is not about honor; it is a matter both of principle and of self-preservation. No matter how wrong someone is, no matter how much I disagree with them, no matter how deplorable I may deem a person's speech to be, I will support their right to say what it is they are saying.

Here is one of the absolute best arguments in favor of completely free, unfettered, free speech, from a hero of mine - the late Christopher Hitchens.

[–]Razvedka 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. We cannot become tyrants.

[–]pnw_diver 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Indeed, that particularly odious passage struck me as among the more vacuous and hateful comments that human turd made in her "writing".

[–]walkonthebeach 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have always found her a deeply damaged person, full of hate and bile. And she keeps at it for year after year — with no attempt to stride forwards and awaken herself.

I have compassion for her. Not sympathy, compassion.

[–]pnw_diver 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hadnt been confronted by this ugly creep before, I have nothing but contempt for her, and I firmly believe that noone so deranged should ever have been allowed near children.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if she's doing any introspection at all over this. Feminism is heavily rooted in women always being the victim and men always being the ones causing that victimization.

Perhaps she'll find a way to blame the patriarchy for this, absolve herself of any blame, and come out with a few victim points.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Surely almost nobody could not care that their son killed himself.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are religions that compel their parents to actually murder their children under certain circumstances. And some actually do it.

Feminism is a religion in many ways. So who knows.

[–]ralphswanson 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's a phony panic, catering to that lowest of modern male desires - to be a victim

Rich when coming from a feminist.

[–]Earl_of_sandwiches 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

a survey found that more than half the young men questioned thought that hitting a woman was acceptable under certain circumstances

If you can't imagine a situation where it is okay to hit a woman, you've got a shitty imagination.

[–]pnw_diver 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like, how about, if she is hitting you?

[–]Earl_of_sandwiches 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking more along the lines of she's wielding a knife. Or hurting someone else.

[–]DroogDim 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's fucking revolting. Not to mention a sociopath.

[–]dungone 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A feminist, to be sure.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, if the men who manage football think that 545 under-24 male suicides a year is a more frightening statistic than two women killed each week - and hundreds of thousands injured every year - by the men they live with, then they must be even stupider than they look; though it's hard to imagine, I know. But I can't help feeling they're on very dodgy ground, taking on the young male suicide thing. For a start, it's a phony panic, catering to that lowest of modern male desires - to be a victim - for if we are to use the desire for death as a barometer of stress and misery levels among young people, then surely the fact that vastly more young women attempt suicide must mean that young women are still under far more pressure than young men. (Anorexia and bulimia, the scenic-route suicides, are still something like three-quarters female.)

The last time I suggested that suicides should be left to get on with it, I received a small number of letters from people whose sons had killed themselves. All of them demanded an apology. I'd advise them this time to save their stamps because, you see, I don't care. I don't care because most nights of the week I still dream of my dad, who I saw waste away almost to nothing, eaten alive by the tumours that were his retirement gift for working with asbestos. Every day, as his legs went, as his sight went, my dad would declare that tomorrow he would be taking the dog out; he clung to life like a dog playing tug-of-war for the biggest, juiciest raw steak in the world.

Fuck. This. Piece. Of. SHIT.

[–]tehwankingwalruses 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The real tragedy is that he didn't take her with him when he died.

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[–]Sinisus 28 points29 points30 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Or she told him, like my mother told me, that he could not possibly be depressed because she had it worse.

[–]Captaincastle 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Christ my mom pulled that shit too.

Like she has a monopoly on emotional pain.

[–]Claude_Reborn 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/raisedbynarcissists

[–]Captaincastle 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh god that's a real thing.

I'm sad now.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

for some reason i highly doubt she said anything remotely like those things. but nice try.

edit: I read her piece in the guardian. She sounds pretty terrible, and should feel bad about herself. It was a ridiculous article with absolutely 0 sympathy for victims of suicide and their families. BUT that's still a far cry from saying "men are all villians and he deserved to die" and all those other things.

On one hand, she totally didn't care about suicide victims and their families. On the other, I still don't feel right throwing all this in her face now that she's having to deal with it. I'm pretty neutral.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't. She said shit like that about men in her public life, why the fuck wouldn't she say it in her private life?

Honestly, what the fuck is your reason for believing that she only talked like this about other people? She hated men -- thought it a good thing that they kill themselves. Then her son ended up suicidal. I really doubt that's a coincidence.

[–]iehava 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh? And you know this how? She says those things about other men and we have no reason to doubt that she would say the same about her son.

[–]rottingchrist 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention, her son would have been pretty familiar with her views on suicidal men since she shared them with all the world. Knowing that that's what your parent thinks about how you feel is not a good thing for someone who is suicidal.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine if someone in the westboro church had a gay son. They were raised on a steady diet of hate for homosexuals. Then shortly after realizing they are gay they take their own life.

Do you think maybe it might be reasonable to place some blame on the parents for their open hatred of their own child?

[–]rogerwatersbitch 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus fucking Christ, this guy is being downvoted just because he says it doesnt feel right for him to throw the mothers words in her face before his son is even cold? Downvote the fuck away, man, but this thread reminds me of the worst knee jerky feminist bullshit. I thought we were better than this and could discuss different viewpoints while being relatively tolerant, open minded and understanding.

Never been more dissapointed in this sub.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, not just for that. He's being downvoted because he's an asshole. And this woman had no sympathy for anyone else in the situation she currently finds herself in.

there is no fairer punishment than to feel the sting of your own words, and the cruelty of your own policies. What has been sown, must eventually be reaped.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Disagree. This has to be put out there so the hypocrisy and bigotry of this third wave feminism is made clear. Its hateful and bigoted. Except when it hits home. No doubt though she will swallow the pill and reclaim her faith to the brainwashing misandry/faith. I have very little empathy for her despite her loss. She is a piece of shit.

[–]rottingchrist 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Very depressing. I hope she doesn't have any other male children.

EDIT: Sadly, she does. One that she abandoned when he was young, even.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The abandoned one was lucky. A boy would be better off raised by wolves than her.

[–]theAnalepticAlzabo 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the abandoned one will likely be better off than the one raised by a woman who scorned and hated him.

[–]baserace 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tragic stuff.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Archive this article. No way she doesn't have it taken down.

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://web.archive.org/web/20140508041632/http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/oct/16/weekend7.weekend6

[–]rottingchrist 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archived on archive.is multiple times today:

https://archive.is/jYkjz

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"the voluntary exits of a few hundred able-bodied young men each year are best dealt with as private tragedies rather than a public concern. Let them go." -Julie Burchill

And turn your attention to more important issues like manspreading.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just having her as a mother means the cards were stacked against him.

[–]Bwhitty23 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is your brain on feminism. Any questions?

[–]ThePigmanAgain 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Terrible thing for the son, but probably not for her. Nothing she has said proves she is all broken up about it, and given her attitude to his kind it should come as no surprise if she didn't really care. The interesting thing is whether or not her feminism contributed to any psychological problems he may have had. I am reminded of the way that Alice Walker treated her daughter -- like she was shit.

[–]RedditorJemi 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The best weapon against feminism is the very words of feminists themselves. The best strategy we can adopt is to make sure that every time a feminist opens her mouth, the public gets the message loud and clear. Document and archive everything feminists say, refusing to permit them to self-censor, and critique, critique, critique the words of feminists. If the public can't ignore feminists, then they must take a stand, either for or against. And it will be against - guaranteed.

[–]bantrain7 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was going to say that it's probably a bad tactic to use a tragedy like that to score points, but fuck me, if a political advocate holds that attitudes like that towards any demographic then it needs to be highlighted.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I read the Telegraph article with interest and it looks like Burchill is genuinely grieving for her son.

I don't like the woman but I wouldn't wish her current situation on anybody.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't wish her son's situation on anyone. Her situation, I could give no fewer shits about if I tried.

She loved hurting the mothers of other men who had killed themselves.

[+]ourthirdsixsoul[S] -8 points-7 points-6 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I wish it on every feminist in the world.

[–]rottingchrist 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No, men don't deserve suicide regardless of whether their parents are feminists or not.

[+]ourthirdsixsoul[S] -9 points-8 points-7 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Feminists need to suffer from the pain they cause men, or else they will never compassion for men.

Having compassion for men would destroy feminism.

[–]rottingchrist 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe, but I'm not in favour of seeing men's lives sacrificed for that.

And I don't think someone who so callously dismisses the suicides of boys and men is going to ever have any compassion for males, even if the one committing suicide is their child.

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

You should read Julie Burchill's callous opinions on male suicide.

She's an absolute bitch.

I couldn't feel sorry for her if she died.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bindel or Burchill?

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant Burchill.

[–]SupremeAuthority 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blood for blood.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's just terrible.

[+]victorymonk -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I feel like it's too personal and too tragedy (sic) to be here. Yes, she is a feminist, but that's really the only thing we know.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheWheatOne 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Links? Just for proof's sake.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheWheatOne 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]victorymonk 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I think the reason this whole pre-conception that mothers should be primary caregivers (The tender years doctrine) was invented by feminists is b/c otherwise nobody would let them to raise children without some supervision.

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 43 points44 points45 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Read her article belittling male suicide, then think again.

[+]victorymonk -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I know that she's a vile feminist. The 100% pure men-hater kind of feminist. I just think it's wrong to use personal tragedy to rejoice or to push own agenda.

I'll get off my high horse from now on.

[–]DingDongSeven 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SHE used the personal tragedy of young men's suicide to push her own agenda -- and yes, rejoicing in it.

For her to write about how young men have finally found something they are better at than women, only to have her own son take his own life -- that's worth making a note of, I think. As dark and nasty as this is, it is still called irony. Even more so when you learn that she has one more son, whom she abandoned when young. And he's still alive.

What I want to know is, where does a human being go from here? Mother or father, what would you do?

Where would a father go, if he were a men's rights activist, after joking about useless girls not being able to successfully commit suicide, only to have his own daughter kill herself? And then, people learn that he has another daughter whom he abandoned when she was young. And she didn't commit suicide.

Where would you go after that?

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody is rejoicing. We are pointing out the hateful nature of feminism, and its consequences.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it's not. Her brand of feminism directly caused this.

[–]Terraneaux -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm with you. There could be ten thousand different reasons this guy killed himself, we don't know if its his mom's fault.

On the other hand, if his mother still holds the same opinion vis a vis male suicide, she's extraordinarily fucked up. But, to repeat, we don't know this has anything to do with her shitty opinions.

[–]mrstickman -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is horrible. This is exactly the sort of thing I don't like being right about.

Sometime later, she should be called out for this. But not now. Let her grieve. Hell, maybe she'll publicly seriously apologize for this when the dust has settled.

[–]GHGCottage 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There is no reason to expect her to grieve;she welcomes men's suicide.

[–]mrstickman 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Look, I get that she's horrible, I really do, I'm just saying right now is not the time. Wait until the victim is at least buried.

Yes, she doesn't deserve compassion; that's what makes it compassion.

[–]GHGCottage 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good impulse and does you credit, but I worry that men's natural compassion is what allows feminists like her to continue using their immense social power to propagate hatred.

[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This is a foolish decision. The disgust you inspire in people by using her son's suicide to discredit her opinions will lose the cause more hearts and minds than you gain.

[–]iehava 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you read the things this woman has written? She trivializes and belittles male suicide, in such ways as:

"That young men succeed in suicide more often than girls isn't really the point. Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they're better at than girls."

and,

"No one is "in favour" of suicide, but when we interfere with people's right to take their own lives, we are on very dangerous ground. The level of pain that must have been reached to make suicide an option must be unbelievable. Perhaps all it behoves any of us to do at that point is to make the death as comfortable as possible. (Teenage suicide is like teenage sex: if you don't let them do it at home, they'll go out and do it somewhere nasty and dangerous.) And suicide, like car theft, is a side-effect of peace and affluence. You didn't get many suicides in Jarrow in the 30s, and until recently it was all but unknown in Northern Ireland. It really is one of those problems with no solution.

"The last time I suggested that suicides should be left to get on with it, I received a small number of letters from people whose sons had killed themselves. All of them demanded an apology. I'd advise them this time to save their stamps because, you see, I don't care. I don't care because most nights of the week I still dream of my dad, who I saw waste away almost to nothing, eaten alive by the tumours that were his retirement gift for working with asbestos. Every day, as his legs went, as his sight went, my dad would declare that tomorrow he would be taking the dog out; he clung to life like a dog playing tug-of-war for the biggest, juiciest raw steak in the world.

To ask me to feel sympathy with suicides after witnessing this is, I suggest, just as unfeeling and ignorant as my callousness must appear to you - like asking a starving African to sympathise with an anorexic. In a society still beset with the most vicious social deprivation and rampant cruelty to the very young, the very old and the very weak, the voluntary exits of a few hundred able-bodied young men each year are best dealt with as private tragedies rather than a public concern. Let them go."

OP is not posting this to discredit her opinions, OP posted this because here we have a woman who couldn't care less about male suicide (and says exactly this) and then one of her sons goes and kills himself. It's the same as when a feminist says that false reports of rape don't really happen, but then their son is falsely accused. Only then, when it affects them personally, do they sometimes start to see how wrong they are.

[–]Keiichi81 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you read her views on male suicide victims? The way she cavalierly dismisses - and in fact promotes - men taking their own lives as something unimportant or even to be celebrated? So can you maybe understand how her own son committing suicide is newsworthy?

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Her opinions have been that male suicides don't matter.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We are using her son's suicide to highlight her disgusting opinions on male suicide. She clearly didn't give a shit when any other man killed himself. She openly mocked people who gave a shit when other men killed themselves.

Fuck off with your 'concern'.

[+][deleted] -15 points-14 points-13 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for saying this! For a board that's purportedly about supporting men, it seems incredibly insincere to be using this man's tragic story as a "gotcha" against feminists.

[–]iehava 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not what this is at all. Read some of the things this woman has written about male suicide.

[–]Imnotmrabut 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, but Burchill is the one who has been using "Gotchas" FOR DECADES. I'm sorry to hear of yet another male suicide, but that it should be survived by one of the most "Misandric" writers in 21st century UK is significant.

Her antipathy towards the male is well known. What is less well known is that antipathy is so great that when her first marriage to Tony Parsons (Journalist) collapsed, He was awarded Sole Custody of their son Bobby circa 1984.

Burchill's hand wringing and garnet rending is all so theatrical, but it's her political abuse of half the plant that is the central issue here, not just one casualty in a war where she's a General on the wrong side!

Her abuse of Male Suicides is an albatross that looks so fitting round her neck!

[–]existee 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is not a gotcha. This is to reveal the causality between her son's suicide and her "values". Granted, we don't know the precise details, but it seems very likely that she has at least some portion of responsibility in her son's death

And in grander scheme of things it is to question how we as a society push men to suicide 5x then women, and if it is related to these " values" that trivialize men death.

[–]johnnycoconut -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men complete suicide multiple times more often than women, yes. But also, women attempt suicide twice as often as men, I think.

[+]Juan_Golt -21 points-20 points-19 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Regardless of her views, Burchill and her son have my condolences.

On /r/Mensrights we have plenty of other things to discuss. Lets skip this one ok?

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Why? There is actually an interesting discussion to be had here. First there's the obvious invocation of karma. She belittled male suicide victims and her son became one. It would be interesting to here her opinion and speculate on how and why she felt male suicide was not an issue and what she believes now. And secondly, although more subtly, is the question what could have led this man to suicide. Since suicide effects mostly men it's a men's issue and I believe it would be wrong to over look the effects of having a feminist mother who could say such callous things on his mental health.

Yes we should mourn the loss of life, but let's not put feefees above reality.

[+]Juan_Golt -18 points-17 points-16 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why?

Because it is ugly and tactless. Think of the articles that talk about 'toxic masculinity' when other tradgedies strike.

let's not put feefees above reality.

Exactly. Don't put your obvious feelings of schadenfreude over the reality that this was a tradgedy.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Guys let's not examine why the holocaust happen because it's tactless and"

Don't be a fucking child. Question everything is always a good thing. Nothing is a sacred cow that we can't examine. I am not exhiniting schadenfreude. Do you even know what words mean before using them? Schadenfreude would be me saying something like "Wow sure is great that that feminist cunt's son died", which is not the case it all. It's a tragedy and if we want to prevent future tragedies we need to look into why it happened. When planes crash people don't say "Wow let's respect the dead by not looking into what caused there death". No they figure it out and the implement new rules and technology so it doesn't happen again.

[–]ashlaaaaay 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

let's not put feefees above reality.

Exactly. Don't put your obvious feelings of schadenfreude over the reality that this was a tradgedy.

lol witty comeback d00d.

[+]rogerwatersbitch -10 points-9 points-8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Tactless is right. Sometimes it really is too soon. We should save this discussion for another time.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[+]rogerwatersbitch -16 points-15 points-14 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off. No whiteknighting here, just trying not to use a senseless death as a schadenfreude. Burchills views were and are repulsive, but I wont use her sons pain to make myself feel better about my beliefs.

[–]GHGCottage 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too soon? Are you concerned about her feelings? You needn't be as she's said numerous times that she doesn't care about men's suicides. I believe her.

[–]ashlaaaaay 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not intended to be read by his loved ones, nor does discussing the issue show any disrespect to the dead.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck you. She's a callous scumbag who mocked suicidal young men. I hope she's hurting like hell, but i doubt it.

[–]rottingchrist 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From her quotes in the Telegraph article, to me it looks like she's moved on already.

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/q9bMg3U.jpg

[+]Pointless_arguments -20 points-19 points-18 points 11 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Ironic that this sub claims to care about male disposability but then people who don't want to use a man's suicide as schadenfraude against a toxic feminist are downvoted.

It doesn't seem to matter that this guy killed himself, only that he was the son of a piece of shit tabloid hack. Nobody seems to care who he was or why he killed himself. For shame, /r/mensrights. For shame.

[–]rottingchrist 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Any reason why you think this is schadenfreude? People are bringing to attention that the attitudes of people like his mother worsen the situation of suicidal men.

You don't think the beliefs and behaviour of someone who says stuff like this had any effect on a suicidal man who was apparently close to her?

That young men succeed in suicide more often than girls isn't really the point. Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they're better at than girls.

And you don't think people believing stuff like this is a problem?

[+]Pointless_arguments -7 points-6 points-5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't think the beliefs and behaviour of someone who says stuff like this had any effect on a suicidal man who was apparently close to her?

It may have or it may not have. Why jump to conclusions? Isn't that exactly the same mentality that these tabloid hack "journalists" have?

And you don't think people believing stuff like this is a problem?

I'm willing to bet she doesn't believe it any more...

[–]rottingchrist 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It may have or it may not have. Why jump to conclusions?

Because I've been suicidal and if someone close to me said the kind of stuff she does about male suicide, it'd hurt me very much.

I'm willing to bet she doesn't believe it any more...

Why jump to that conclusion then?

[–]GHGCottage 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You seem to care more about the feelings of this monstrous woman who used her enormous social power to spread hatred of men than anything else. Her son is driven to suicde and yet she's the victim?

[–]Pointless_arguments -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol are you retarded? Go back and read my post again and then slap yourself in the face for being a moron.

[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/q9bMg3U.jpg

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We should make her uncomfortable. I have no doubts she was a bad mother to a male. As per her son: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/to-mum-i-was-just-an-inconvenience-says-burchills-son-1104110.html

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OTOH, he does have Tony Parsons as a dad, which is pretty cool.

[–]Pointless_arguments -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's sad.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

WAAAAH WAAAH THESE MEN ARE MAKING FUN OF SUICIDE!

No, you pathetic feminist bitch, we are lambasting the fact this woman treated her children like this, dismissed the very idea men could be depressed or have a huge problem with suicide and then more than likely made sure this poor fucking guy thought he had absolutely no outlet for help and killed himself.

We're attack her for her comments.

We are shedding tears for this poor guy that he ever had to go through being raised to think he was worthless as a man.

We are fucking sad he died. Because had he been with anyone else he more than likely would be alive.

Now go back to your feminist subs to circlejerk like this bitch about how worse women have it. And we'll pray you don't have sons.

[+]Pointless_arguments -11 points-10 points-9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, you pathetic feminist bitch

Angry hormonal 15 year old detected

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh boy, we're angry because a young guy killed himself and all evidence points to his mother contributing to it and worse still, she promoted a feminist ideology that mocked and dismissed male suicide for countless other men?

Our bad.

[–]jimmywiddle 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Please explicitly explain to me why talking about this situation at any point makes the statement that we don't care about the guy that died ?

I will await the evidence. That you don't have....

[+]Pointless_arguments -7 points-6 points-5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The fact that people are being downvoted for expressing their opinion that it shouldn't be used as a platform for MRM.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, it's a stupid opinion designed to give a psychotically hateful feminist a pass for something she almost certainly had a hand in. It doesn't discredit her opinions, it discredits her ideology and way of life.

She preached that male suicide was ultimately a good thing. Then her son killed himself. I really fucking doubt that those two things are as unrelated as you're pretending.

[+]Pointless_arguments -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're completely missing the point. This guy killed himself, and you guys are making it all about his mother.

[–]Jacobtk 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't seem to matter that this guy killed himself, only that he was the son of a piece of shit tabloid hack. Nobody seems to care who he was or why he killed himself.

To the contrary, that is the point of this thread. Read what Burchill wrote. Now think about it in context to her son's suicide. Do you see a potential connection? Do you think Burchill masked her opinions when around her son? She mentioned in an interview that she did not get along with her oldest son and had not seen him in years. Again, read Burchill's article about male suicide. Do you see a potential connection?

There is no schadenfreude here, only the acknowledgement that a feminist who relished male suicide later had a son who committed suicide.

This man has my sympathy because I know what it is like to be around a person that hateful and psychological impact it can have.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For shame? Fuck off with the sanctimonious language.

This is the perfect place to express your opinion on these matters and there's never a good time to talk about these things.

It's in some people's nature to try to attack the problem when something shitty happens. How about a little empathy and compassion?

Forrrrrrr shammmeeeeee!!!!

Jesus Christ are you a fucking Victorian era schoolmarm?

[+]Pointless_arguments -12 points-11 points-10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FOR SHAME, MOTHER FUCKER

FEEL IT

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[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Even a parent that said this?

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[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm might write to her on Twitter, and tell her that at least her son is good at one thing! (To paraphrase her own words).

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[–]ourthirdsixsoul[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, you clearly don't know her.

She's a dysfunctional alcoholic that has made a career out of bigoted anti-male vitriol.

This won't change a thing - not unless it's rubbed in her face.

[–]GHGCottage 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sad situation when people try to silence opposition to even a monstrous hate filled bigot like this feminist. How far exactly do they need to go before you're willing to be critical?

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