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Respect: Intelligent feminist agrees that men have a right to "expresses an opinion" and criticizes her authoritarian sisters saying "Illiberal Feminism Is Running Amok"

AndrewLevin

May 14, 2015
332 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/12/illiberal-feminism-is-running-amok.html
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Title Respect: Intelligent feminist agrees that men have a right to "expresses an opinion" and criticizes her authoritarian sisters saying "Illiberal Feminism Is Running Amok"
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AndrewLevin

Upvotes 332
Comments 40
Date May 14, 2015 2:47 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/35y8pt/respect_intelligent_feminist_agrees_that_men_have/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Funny I was just banned from /Feminism because I had an opinion that differed from what most feminists wanted to hear. It is sad really.

[–]rudelyinterrupts 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Any disagreement on /r/feminism is met with an almost certain ban. Even disagreement about 'feminist issues' on /r/askwomen is treading on thin ice.

[–]Macismyname 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Same with /r/twoXchromosome

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Actually I post on that subreddit or have in the past and still not banned yet.

[–]Macismyname 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lucky you, I mentioned that women can be pedophiles, can and do abused both young boys and young girls and got banned. No explanation, no PM, I didn't break any rules of the sub. I wasn't being disrespectful or mean in any way. It related to the conversation.

I fucking hate that sub, they have deleted posts before that go against their narrative. Often turns into a circlejerk there. /r/TrollXChromosomes/ isn't nearly as bad, but I've also never tried posting there. Since I'm a dude I try to respect the sub and only post if it's super appropriate.

But TwoX is a default sub so it should be held to a higher fucking standard.

[–]MSgtGunny 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Under the new reddit rules I think that would be considered harassment and should be reported.

[–]Macismyname 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those rules aren't for us to use and you know it

[–]MSgtGunny 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't approach a new vector with a defeatist attitude.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The best part is when I post a sorry for your loss comment in an abortion thread and have that get down voted. That is just some petty shit right there.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea I see that now, news to me.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was banned from AW for disagreeing with the wage gap.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not even that. I was there for all of 5 minutes, posted two questions which were genuinely trying to understand the particular post better and honestly did not even differ to what they were saying.

Banned.

I was there in good faith, trying to learn more. Not any more. I suddenly becamse so disillusioned. Why should I even bother?

[–]appledcider 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neat. A humane person who can hopefully axe some of the toxicity from within. Now if you could only clone yourself so we can get this in wide-scale for the better of humankind.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shes pointing out a few of the many problems with feminism. Good for her. What are her views on gender because it still doesnt help with the unrealistic ideas feminism has about gender.

[–]jeruka 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get why anyone with even a remotely fair assessment of gender relations would want to identify as a feminist. It's not like feminists are these nice reasonable people and there are just few bad apples ruining their good name. Those misandric and mean spirited bitches are most of the feminists. At least they are the ones with political power who get shit done. And that shit is really bad. There might be some feminists who are "not like that", but they sit on the sidelines while the feminists that are like that keep legislating their hate. So that's why I don't get why any reasonable person would want to identify as a feminist. It's like a guy joining the KKK and complaining that everyone thinks KKK is racist. "No KKK is really about equality between the races. There are just few bad racists who tarnish our good name."

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[–]mindless_gibberish 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think she's using a special term in an attempt to target the problem without tossing out "feminism" altogether.

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[–]mindless_gibberish 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this true of every "ism"? Once you get into the meat of any sociopolitical group or ideology, you'll always find many sub-groups.

[–]HugeSaladFork 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Which is temporarily useful for getting feminists to listen.

[–]mindless_gibberish 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And hopefully get them on the defensive. "Oh, I'm not one of those Illiberal feminists - I believe in an open discourse!"

[–]Insula92 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a no true scotsman fallacy to distinguish between different types of scotsmen.

[–]Hamakua 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is if you are making up different types of scotsmen on the fly in order to excuse their representing the scots.

[–]ARedthorn 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And if the pope were to excommunicate someone, would that also qualify as "no true Scotsman" fallacy?

Feminism isn't likely going anywhere. It's just as valuable to us to have them right the ship as abandon it... To go back to dealing with whatever real issues affect women for the worse, without causing problems for men. Maybe more valuable, if we can get them to go a step further and acknowledge our movement as the other side of the gender-egalitarian coin (even if they don't directly support us, acknowledgement would validate us in the mainstream).

It's a pipe dream, maybe- but no more so than any other we have re: feminism.

When we criticize them, it accomplishes little. When one of our own goes off the rails, we're first to say it- policing our own both as damage control, and to ensure we don't become what feminism has become.

So- we want them to police their own, but when they do (as she did here) we still complain? I call bullshit sir.

[–]garglemesh42 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, but "righting the ship" needs to involve reals >>> feels. Meaning, a scientific, evidence-based approach to gender issues. With proper studies, people trying to reproduce those studies, and all the rigor, controls, and peer review by unbiased people that try their very best to put logic, reason and facts above their own personal beliefs.

Honestly, it's an area where we could do better, too. Though we're much more willing to face the facts than most feminists are.

[–]ARedthorn 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

But pointing out hypocrisy isn't by default the same as "no true Scotsman."

Because that's what she seems to be doing.

She doesn't say they aren't feminists- she may have a cutesy/insulting name for their particular breed of feminism, but still calls them feminists. She doesn't deny their association with the movement- she in fact says that their association is a problem- ugly and destructive because it betrays what those same women claim feminism is.

That's not no true Scotsman. That's justified criticism that they need more of.

It's... A start.

[–]Sour_Badger 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's it. Attack verbiage and not substance.

[–]guywithaccount 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Who is illiberal? Where is the line drawn?

She draws it pretty clearly at free speech here, and since free speech is valued by real liberals, there's nothing "special" about her definition.

See here for example (emphasis mine):

Character assassination was the method of discourse favored by Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy; and it was a tenet of the liberal creed to resist such tactics.

[–]iongantas 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Frankly the core of contemporary feminism is illiberal, because it is insular, tribalistic, ideological and anti-scientific, which is about as illiberal as you can get.

[–]raxical 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Then why call her a "feminist"? She's just a women's rights activist or a normal person.

[–]Omnipraetor 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because she is what feminism is supposed to be, not what it has become

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But when the good feminists are the extreme minority isn't it inaccurate to call them that?

[–]mindless_gibberish 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I think the majority is people who identify as feminist for all the "good reasons:" Equality for all and whatnot. They don't necessarily read feminist blogs or know much about the hateful rhetoric. The extreme minority has a lot of influence on the feminist zeitgeist, however, due to the fact that so many of them infect academia.

[–]guywithaccount 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Supposed by whom?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Modern feminism is not about politics and goals but just an excuse for emotions gone wild. They do not want to reach any goals, doing so would mean the ride on the feels train is over.

[–]The_Natty_King 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the equivalent of "Intelligent racist agrees that [X Race] has a right to express an opinion".

Not intelligent enough to ditch the whole bigoted notion.

[–]TacticusThrowaway 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yet, in her 2011 Elle piece titled “The Best and the Rightest,” writer Nina Burleigh described conservative women who were on the rise as, “right-wing girl Millennials” who were following “in the high heels of the former governor of Alaska.” One woman, she wrote, moved “from chair to podium with the lithe, twitchy ease of a big cat, hazel-eyed and trailing a honey-colored mane, all 20 tawny years of her packed into a skintight electric blue stretch-satin cocktail dress.” Another woman was described as, “A curvaceous, dark-haired 25-year-old . . . [with] a diamond-studded cross dangling above very visible cleavage.”

So someone decided to slag off conservative women by describing them as sexually attractive?

What, did they think people would support them less if they were hot?

[–]paragonofcynicism 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're partly correct but it's actually more insidious than that. She is actually implying that their hotness means they are stupid as well. So hot women are stupid is the message she is sending. And this point of view is obviously sexist and insulting to attractive women.

[–]TacticusThrowaway 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought she was implying they're just pretty, token figureheads for the white men who are the real -

Wait a second. This sounds familiar. Don't MRAs and Gamergate get this exact sort of thing a lot?

[–]tigrn914 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're fascists.

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