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Robyn Urback: Rolling Stone writer apologizes to everyone except the victims

thrway_1000

April 8, 2015
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Title Robyn Urback: Rolling Stone writer apologizes to everyone except the victims
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thrway_1000

Upvotes 686
Comments 77
Date April 8, 2015 11:21 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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Comments

[+]Salient0ne 11 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

It would be great to track down the current members of that frat, and do a professional interview going over all the shit they put up with. People need to know who the real victims were, and that it was feminists who were the real perpetrators here.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]samsc2 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like matt tabbi and his articles. The rest though seem like sensationalism gutter trash doing w/e it can to sell a few pages.

[–]scemcee 36 points37 points38 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hopefully the inevitable lawsuits against the University and the author on behalf of each individual member of Phi Kappa Psi will bring many of these details to light. They also need to name the 'Jackie' character who started all this, and make her available for prosecution.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

seriously, one woman's vicious lies and need for attention destroyed these men's lives.

[–]ethos1983 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While i want to agree with you, I'd say those dudes have been through enough. Put up an ad, give them an opportunity to come forward, but don't track'em down.

While we all know that all those guys did was lose a few facebook friends, and they're all fine <sigh>, I'm sure a solid chunk of them want nothing more than to be invisible and move the hell on. To entirely too many people, Jackie was right, regardless of what the law or facts say. People that may become employers, coworkers, loved ones. Let those victims who want anonymity have it.

[–]intensely_human 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Visibility is absolutely crucial here. A short video documentary would be a great medium for this, if well-executed.

Even one of us going over there and shooting handheld de a few interviews would be better than nothing, though.

If the community were willing to fund me for a round trip ticket and a few hundred to cover my lost income I'd be willing to head over and do it myself. Probably like iphone on a tripod quality but it could turn out decent and we could publish some depth about their experience that nobody is covering.

Or if someone else is better for the task and would be up for its let's fund them.

$20 * 100 of us is $2k which flies someone there and gives them budget to do as many interviews as the brothers are willing to give and then edit it together into like a 30-minute video for youtube.

[–]rafajafar 121 points122 points123 points 11 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

They can't apologize to them. That would be an admission of guilt, making the lawsuits that are incoming pretty open and shut.

[–]thedude122487 43 points44 points45 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If Rolling Stone loses the lawsuits, then maybe they will apologize.

[–]MortalBean 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is what court orders are for.

[–]Tmomp 36 points37 points38 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing like a court-ordered apology for genuineness and authenticity.

[–]MortalBean 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing like court ordered apology for showing how petty a certain "journalist" is.

[–]eloquentnemesis 66 points67 points68 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The lawsuits are already pretty open and shut. All the lack of apology does is display a lack of grace.

[+]TA_2985_A6E1_9FC3 11 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that a negotiated settlement, say: $2-million to each member of the frat (not just members of the local house, but national organization too) plus a full-page apology in the WSJ, NYTimes, WaPo and of course the Rolling Stone itself, run everyday for a week, then once the month for a year (5-years for the Rolling Stone).

That out to do it for RS.

UVA head (what's her name) rents a half an hour on each of ABC, NBC, CBS, A&E, TBN, Fox, ... during weekday prime time and co-opting a daytime soap opera for a month to deliver her apology on behalf of UVA. She resigns from UVA. The "rape survivor" advocate department at UVA is disolved and never reconstituted. The gender studies department at UVA is closed with all employees of the department fired "for cause" (creating a hostile environment for male students); The student resources are reviewed; all women-only groups are disbanded, funding is reduced to zero and never allowed to return.

... give me some time. I'll think of some more ...

/s

[–]vakerr 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a good start. Things won't change until it starts to really hurt them.

[–]so_smog_hog -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men unite. We need to make this happen

[–]SilencingNarrative -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You think they will win in their lawsuit? How do you figure?

[–]laxdstorn 21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Its slander and very clear cut case at that. Requirements for slander lawsuits:

First, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant made a false and defamatory statement concerning the plaintiff. (Called them rapists)

Second, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant made an unprivileged publication to a third party. (Published it in a magazine)

Third, the plaintiff must prove that the publisher acted at least negligently in publishing the communication. (No research done by the "journalist" who wrote article)

Fourth, in some cases, the plaintiff must prove special damages (Arguably it will be more difficult for them to get jobs, be in public situation, act comfortably socially, etc.)

[–]SilencingNarrative 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you underestimate the peril of belonging to an out-group, and the power of witch hunts.

[–]laxdstorn 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres no estimation here. This is literally a slam dunk case. Its a home run. The SEC guy in The Wolf of Wall Street would call this "a Grenada"

[–]zrowny 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's interesting is that negligence is usually the hardest part to prove, but with their retraction, Rolling Stone just wrote Phi Psi's case for them.

[–]laxdstorn 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. There's a term, and we don't like to use it unless circumstances dictate, and I think they do dictate in this case, and the term is "Grenada."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

for the third point, they'd just need to call the people at the columbia journalism school who wrote the audit and there's the slam dunk there.

[–]Mansyn 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh come on guys, the past few months "have been among the most painful of my life". And seeing a report on her lies which got more attention than any retraction ever will was really "brutal" and "humbling". I feel nothing but sympathy for her. /s

[–]User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. That's why she apologized

to Rolling Stone’s readers, to my Rolling Stone editors and colleagues, to the U.V.A. community, and to any victims of sexual assault who may feel fearful as a result of my article.

but not to Phi Kappa Psi. The ones she did apologize to are not suing her. She'll probably claim that any damages are not her fault, and that new regulations on UVa fraternities do not constitute damage.

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I said the same thing last week on why there would be no apology. Everyone argues that it already is. No, it isn't. She can't apologize. Any lawyer would tell her that.

[–]SpikeNLB 35 points36 points37 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No apology the the PKP house because from the feminist rape culture mindset it doesn't matter if the gang rape occurred, their agenda is to keep a national dialogue going regarding rape culture with a finger constantly pointing at fraternities being the problem, and yet again they were successful. Hope the PKP house gets millions from RS when this is over.

[–]FrogTrainer 27 points28 points29 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you mean monologue, not dialogue.

Feminists pushing this agenda do not in any way want a dialogue, they want you to shut up and listen.

[–]SpikeNLB 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point.

[–]brain_candy 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean Listen and Believe.

[–]Shrekusaf 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

not to sound as though i'm making excuses for her, because fuck that bitch, but the fraternity was probably omitted from the apology for the simple reason that the rolling stone is being sued by the frat, and a public apology from the author working for them would introduce added culpability to them in the eyes of the law. it's like when you get into a car crash. make sure the other party is ok, sure, but never admit fault, and never apologize. let the lawyers hash that part out.

[–]zrowny 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It still realistically wouldn't make much of a difference when that entire retraction sounded like they were writing Phi Psi's case for negligence for them

[–]SpikeNLB 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, I got that, but Rolling Stone apologized directly to PKP and they are the ones with the deep pockets that the frat will be going after. Her apologizing was nothing more then an unapologetic rape culture cunt feminst that doesn't care who she hurts as long as she keeps her bullshit rape culture on the front page. No remorse, not a journalis, just a feminist cunt with a an agenda.

[–]hornyskaband 52 points53 points54 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

What a terrible way to go about the situation. These Phi Psis were constantly given shit by almost everyone, yet, Rolling Stone didn't apologize to them. I hope the sure Rolling Stone and get themselves a nice new house

[–]mensrightsshyamalan 57 points58 points59 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Rolling Stone didn't apologize to them

The magazine actually did include the frat in its apology:

We would like to apologize to our readers and to all of those who were damaged by our story and the ensuing fallout, including members of the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity and UVA administrators and students.

It's the author, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, who has failed and refused to apologize to the fraternity.

She in fact has admitted that, for an earlier article for which she won "the Rolling Stone College Journalism competition", she never interviewed the subject of her article, and that "just about everything in the story was wrong." So Sabrina Rubin Erdely has a history of inaccurate reporting, and Rolling Stone has a history of rewarding her for it.

[–]ametalshard 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is hardly an apology. I find that unacceptable.

[–]iongantas 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, it should be a cover story.

[–]hornyskaband 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My b rolling stone.

Still dislike you though

[–]ethos1983 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She in fact has admitted that, for an earlier article for which she won "the Rolling Stone College Journalism competition", she never interviewed the subject of her article, and that "just about everything in the story was wrong." So Sabrina Rubin Erdely has a history of inaccurate reporting, and Rolling Stone has a history of rewarding her for it.

That....that's like the character description for either the villain or the lead in a shitty novel.

[–]Hereletmegooglethat 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what I hear they already have the best house on Rugby Road.

I hope they get fucking satellite mansions out of this.

[–]junkeee999 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is pending legal action by the frat. There will never be an apology by a defendant in a pending lawsuit. That's pretty normal.

[–]davidd00 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that really makes it any better...

[–]LockedAndClush 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How do people think that this story makes it harder for actual rape victims? It does the opposite, proves that even if the investigators think you outright lied, you're still untouchable and considered the true victim. This case drives me nuts - it seems so simple, yet is made so difficult by the sick moral standards we observe today.

[–]Vandechoz 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because next time they're more likely to use some form of due process (or at least, that's the idea).

Even a true rape victim has trouble coming up with actual proof a lot of the time, because it's a behind-closed-doors crime with evidence that often doesn't look any different than a consensual act (if they were careful enough to gather the evidence in the first place). So due process can easily get in the way of a legitimate complaint.

[–]otter111a 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It bothered me last night that the news (specifically Fox but that's irrelevant) is still referring to this as the UVA rape case. Shouldn't they be calling it something like the Rolling Stone false accusation case?

[–]graffiti81 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

NPR interviewed a friend, one of the ones that supposedly told Jackie Coakley not to go to the cops, and he said that if RS had interviewed him, he would have told them not to trust her, she's known to be a liar.

[–]cuteman 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In that context isn't it cute that its still the "UVA rape case" instead of the "UVA false rape accusation case"? Quite telling.

[–]Popular-Uprising- 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope they end up owning all shares of Rolling Stone when this is done. I can understand a mistake or even a major screw up, but this rises to the level on intentionally trying to ruin their lives while knowing that the claims were all a lie.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck the apology, apologies are cheap and not legally binding. It would only be forced and insincere. The victims need to sue and win enough that Rolling Stone avoids letting this happen again. The important message is that it's not up to Rolling Stone or Sabrina Erderly to decide who is guilty and who is innocent. You don't get to dictate people's guilt because you run a website or have a degree in gender studies.

[–]Gertonification3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

They should also sue the school, for the knee jerk reaction without a proper investigation.

[–]parkowork 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The worst part is the thought that because an idiot reporter made the blind leap that rape culture exists, somehow actual rape victims are going to be scared away from actually reporting the crimes.

Keep in mind, whatever flack "Jackie" is taking because of this story, it's not getting the sort of ink that the reporter is getting for printing the whole mess.

I feel like people really are missing the forest for the trees here. Why should the non reaction of a fake rape story, that was incorrectly publicized cause an actual victim of rape to not report it?

[–]vakerr 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The worst part is the thought that because an idiot reporter made the blind leap that rape culture exists, somehow actual rape victims are going to be scared away from actually reporting the crimes.

Stop with this inane bullshit already. This isn't the worst part. The worst part is innocent people dragged through the mud.

[–]parkowork -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those innocent people are going to recoup lots of "damages" in the dollar figure... they will be fine. It's the continuation of the cycle of the thought that rape victims must be given protection that proceeds due process, even if false reporting.

[–]vakerr 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They fucking deserve lots of dollars for damages. As for 'rape victims', I Don't Care.

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[–]DavidByron2 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And let the feminist CEO of Reddit ban the subreddit for "doxxing" a "rape victim"?

[–]speedisavirus 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No reason to think this person would apologize. They already exhibited they are a scumbag by doing the article in the first place.

[–]forbiddenone 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We aren't SJWs. We don't care about the pomp and circumstance. Forcing someone into an insincere apology (or, as SJWs love to do, starting a WAAAGH! to hurt them into making a sincere, tearful apology) doesn't matter.

Not doing this **** in the future matters. So does making this right for the victims.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought the point was more that the feminists were making fake apologies that ignored their real victims and just added to the bigoted crap they were peddling that caused the whole situation to begin with. ie it's just a feminists are assholes sort of post?

[–]BitchyMaleWhite 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its really too bad that this will be settled out of court most likely. The lawsuit seems pretty open and shut. Rolling Stone would be out of their fucking minds to take this to trial. Most likely they will settle for a undisclosed amount and we won't know how much the victims received because of the actions of these radical feminists. I would love to see it go to trial and RS lose a Godly amount of money.

[–]Frittern 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

What????? Those Frat boys should be thanking Rolling Stone providing them with such a valuable learning experience.

[–]phengineer 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta append /s or we're going to assume the scary half of Poe's Law

[–]SpikeNLB 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

And what would that lesson be?

[–]Frittern 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Egads people, are your thoughts really this rigid can't you recognize sarcasm anymore?

[–]Arakin 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the saddest part about modern Feminism -- we CAN'T tell when someone is being sarcastic anymore, because half the time or more they're serious :C

[–]SpikeNLB 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. It's become a game of . . . Is it modern feminist rant or is it a Sat. Night Live skit . .

[–]iongantas 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

see Poe's Law.

[–]Dixbfloppin93 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's really hard to tell on Reddit sometimes. Just put a "/s" at the end of it and call it a day

[–]Sanguifer 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

philosoraptor is it still /s if You have to /s it, though?

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, they have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. "How do we see women?" "If we didn’t violate 'Jackie', could we have?" "Do we have the potential to do to her what they said we did?’ Those are good questions.

[–]SpikeNLB 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha blame the victim mentality. They are a bunch of frat boys and in rape culture they are the obvious aggressors so even though the accusations were fabricated and they and their frat were immedately considered guilty until proven innocent, in your opinion, THEY should use this as a learning opportunity?!!?

Are you fucking serious???

Hey black man, you were just released from 10 years in jail for a murder you didn't commit. Now is you opportunity for self-exploration . . . could you have committed the murder? Do you have he potential to have committed the murder?

The PKP house has no reason for self-exploration and the fact that you project your fucked up cunt feminist rape culture bullshit on them is bullshit. Women are 100% responsible for how they are 'seen' . . . enough of this bullshit. Enough.

The only question that should be asked is why is Jackie going to face no consequences for her false accusations. And BTW, the next time a women is raped and chooses to not report it, blame Jackie.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Since nobody caught it, I'll go ahead and fill you in that the above is a slight rewording of an actual quote in regard to victims of false rape allegations from feminist Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar.

"They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. ‘How do I see women?’ ‘If I didn’t violate her, could I have?’ ‘Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?’ Those are good questions.”

It gets quoted fairly frequently in men's rights circles, so look for it.

[–]SpikeNLB 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you are going to quote, best to quoute and credit.

Given Vassar was founded as a women's college, no doubt a hotbed of feminist rape culture extremist, no reason to expect any less from the Dean of Students. The entire student body could be made up of 250 lb tree stump lesbians and they would still be screaming rape culture.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Lots of people on this sub would have probably recognized the quote, but I don't think anyone's paying attention to this conversation other than us anymore.

[–]Hermann_Von_Salza 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That there are weirdo Hadassah types who have an inexplicable hostility toward WASP males.

[–]sunblocks -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I sincerely hope this was sarcasm.

[–]Shrekusaf 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not to sound as though i'm making excuses for her, because fuck that bitch, but the fraternity was probably omitted from the apology for the simple reason that the rolling stone is being sued by the frat, and a public apology from the author working for them would introduce added culpability to them in the eyes of the law. it's like when you get into a car crash. make sure the other party is ok, sure, but never admit fault, and never apologize. let the lawyers hash that part out.

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