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Ask Polly: ‘I Hate Men.’

No_Fig2938

October 19, 2021
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Title Ask Polly: ‘I Hate Men.’
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No_Fig2938

Upvotes 220
Comments 40
Date October 19, 2021 12:01 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/qba0f7/ask_polly_i_hate_men/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/ask-polly-i-hate-men.1078665
https://theredarchive.com/post/1078665
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Comments

[–]naps-seductivelyFDS Newbie 138 points139 points140 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

’“Bitter” is a name bad men call women who can see them clearly. What they call bitterness is actually just the faintest whiff of amusement, like that smile that says, “Ah. Of course. Another diorama. What else?” We accept that assholes exist and they are everywhere, but we’re not resigned or defeated. We fight the good fight against them, always. But sometimes, we don’t need a lot of words to do this. Sometimes we just look them straight in the eyes, and they know we see what cowards they are. Yet another delicious side effect of being a cranky old bitch, among many.’

Amazing article, thanks for sharing! I just wanted to highlight this eloquent passage and say - the entire article is full of great messages like this one.

[–]blueboobs-FDS Newbie 124 points125 points126 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This part made me laugh so hard talking about the natural order of things : LOOK AT NATURE! BITCHES BE BOSSING. Men be scurrying around, trying to keep them happy and mostly failing. Bitches be eating men’s insect heads as they cum

[–]MaleddieFDS Newbie 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So true. Nature shows us the real order of things.

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 157 points158 points159 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I really love this article, before finding fds I was having a hard time dealing with the world as it is and how I would navigate knowing that most men don't even see me as a breathing human being, I used to read this article whenever I felt that way, it really makes me laugh and gets me back on track, I would love if you queens would feel the same about it.

[–]KindredMaximusFDS Newbie 114 points115 points116 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I really liked it too!! thanks. :)

I do think she's a bit naive about terrible men having to ''live with themselves''. My experience has shown me - disgusting, awful men live with themselves just fine - they aren't bothered by anything as pesky as a conscience or shame. I'm pretty amazed by what I see as wasted lives that men live daily - so empty and devoid of richness and depth or an inner life and it doesn't bother them at all.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My ex abused me all day and slept like a baby all night. He got what he wanted.

The only time he was "sad" was when he lost me. He was sad for himself, not for what he did to me.

[–]KindredMaximusFDS Newbie 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, they aren't having paroxyms of guilt or existensial crises. They are empty inside - they are perfectly happy with who they are and what they've done and don't seek anything deeper.
I always find it unsettling when people say - well, they have to live with what they've done - they live with it just fine. I think it makes the victims feel better - it doesn't affect the perp.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. They're able to abuse in the first place because they have no guilt or shame. They have no conscience.

It's a harmful projection to put our ability for guilt into men who literally can't give a shit and who stare at us curiously like we're bugs in a microscope after they push us to frustrated tears of anger.

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Not really, they're not satisfied with life at all, they're hollow inside as you stated, but they don't fix it because of many reasons, it would be too long to go into them, but generally they're a toxic bunch, here's some of the reasons why they're not happy:

-They rely on instant gratification for fulfillment is easy, it leaves them depressed and destroys thier mental health but they don't stop or want to stop because it simply feels good to them at the moment.

-A lot of them believe they're the victim and the world has wronged them (we all know how terrible this mentality is)

  • They feel entitled to what they want and think the world owes them shit, and is left with disappointment when they don't get it.

-They base their whole worth on being superior to others which leaves them with fragile egos that gets affected with the smallest of incidents.

  • They lack empathy, one of the most important factors for a successful relationship, they suck at socializing and they have tons of bad habits that push people away, so they don't get to experience healthy human bonds

  • They objectify women, they only lust after them, thier lust is insatiable and makes them unable to be attracted to the women they love since it's dependent on variety(if they're capable of loving them in the first place depending on how severe thier objectification is) and thus are unable to form meaningful relationships with any of them, leaving them always unsatisfied with all women.

  • they're unable to deal with thier emotions in a healthy way making them have to repress them most of the time, that makes them an exploding bomb of anger

  • they lack basic self awareness and do some terrible shit, making them suspectable to constant criticism all the time, especially between themselves where they criticize others all the time without bettering themselves.

I got bored 😂😂 I think this list is adequate, but overall just because they're living with themselves doesn't mean they feel satisfied,. It's the general feeling of inner peace with being yourself, most of them are unable to feel it.

[–]KindredMaximusFDS Newbie 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, yes I can see what you mean .You are correct they don't have inner peace but they also don't miss it - the don't even comprehend it as missing, the way we would. They don't feel bad about lacking meaning or miserable because they'll never be truly loved for themselves - they are devoid of knowledge that life could be deeper. A lot of them feel totatlly satisfied with their shallow lives and who they are - it's societies consequences they don't like.

most of their negative feelings are about things they think are happening to them. eg. exploding rage about something. Otherwise they totally don't then sit down and think, wow, I'm a real arsehole because I'm abusive - they think 'those arseholes shouldn't have upset ME!!" - at no time do they feel bad about exploding. Men who view child porn don't feel bad about viewing child porn - they think they are justified and aren't worried about what this makes them - they worried about being caught and if they are, in their minds they are the victims.They aren't unhappy with themselves and their desolate inner life or lack of soul - they are unhappy they can't get what they want. And I honestly think a lot of men don't even comprehend having a meaningful relationship with a woman - that's not what we are for. Incels are angry at us for not giving sex - not at themselves for being defective - they have no issues with their own morals or thoughts.The same as her Dad DMing her about a paternity test - he is absolutely not ''living with himself' over this toxic act. He's totally fine and doesn't even comprehend the lack of a soul he has. He's unhappy because ''you know what you're mothers like'' .They aren't aware such meaning can exist in life - they don't have the inner workings to think they are missing anything in their own personalities so the things they get sad about aren't things they do eg. wanking in public (I've seen this numerous times over my life) - those guys are fine with it. The bloke who grabbed my boobs was looking right in my face and smiling - At no time ever would I expect him to think to himself - jesus, I'm a disgusting bastard and my life is empty of true meaning. He may think ' that stupid bitch for calling the cops - now I have a record - fucking women and fucking cops'.

I think we are both basically saying the same thing - I guess what I'm trying to say is they don't comprehend something missing in themselves and so it doesn't bother them. I also don't think they CAN better themselves - they don't grasp that they should. It's other people they have a problem with.

Edited to add : eg. Trump - has never ever had a true, deep, meaningful authentic relationship in his life - his inner world is completely empty and devoid - but he is as happy as a clam with himself. To me, his desolate life is a waste of the meaning that humans can achieve - he doesn't even miss it - cause he doesn't comprehend it exists.

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm really sorry you had to go through that, what a disgusting person.

You put it nicely, you don't know what you're missing unless you've experienced it. I've seen a lot of past porn addicts say that they didn't know porn was affecting them untill they quite. Since we know what it feels like to actually have a meaningful life we see thier existence as pathetic, we don't want to be part of that no matter what.

What I'm trying to get across is that they notice they're dissatisfied, but they blame it on outer factors rather than themselves, they realize they have a problem and it affects them, but the way they go about it is never going to get them out of it, it's an endless loop of constant disappointment and frustration, they choose to believe they're being wronged, otherwise why are they feeling hurt? of course no one suffers more than the victim of thier toxicity, but the victim can always get away and heal.

I guess the point of saying "how could they even live with themselves" is not the way with the way they view themselves, but rather how it causes them endless suffering they'll never be free of.

[–]kinkardineFDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah it’s about externalizing and internalizing, they never internalize their action. I remember I once dated a person who had all the listed details of OP, a little example - he did not pick up after his dog, even though he branded himself as the most active person, I was surprised when he did not pick up in a playground, and told him the kids may get sick cause they run all over and put their hands in mouth and he smirked saying ‘then their parents did not teach them enough. Too bad they have to learn the hard way.’ I still get sick to my stomach thinking this. They are the people who chose to be ignorant, and if someone wants to deliberately be ignorant, be a morale failure, and there I was with all my naive innocence and he rather appreciating any of it started finding flaws right or wrong, demean me, always finding excuses and shortfall to make me feel inadequate, and always had a disgusted annoyed tone, I felt I was being punished to be with him, cause in the end he does not love himself so if anyone loves him aka me he will start to devaluing me because he now doubts my judgemental abilities , when he started projecting delusional shortcomings that was my trigger and I left.

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a disaster of a person, good thing you left him sis! 🙏 It's weird how they have the knowledge they are assholes but still blame other people, as you said they're almost impossible to change.

[–]KindredMaximusFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think they notice they are dissatisfied or realise they have a problem. Neither are they disappointed or frustrated.
Trump looks to me like a man who is eminently happy and has no idea that his connections to people are fake and nor does he care.
OJ Simpson is definitely not dissatified. I could go on and list hundreds if not thousands of men - even my ex husband. There are absolutely men who do shitty things, have meaningless lives and are totally satisfied with them and don't suffer because of it.
I think believing that these men walk around with some kind of internal dissastifaction and suffering - might make others feel better - but at no time does it actually affect them.
I think once people realise that honestly - these men ''don't have to live with themselves'' - it does cause a bit of despair but it's the truth. The things they do, the connections they have - they go to their death beds completely satisfied with who they've been and what they've done. A lot of them will even have a picture of themselves as ''good men''.

OJ simpson thinks he's a good man. My ex thinks he's a good man - he has no suffering or even inkling that his abuse (which he doesn't even believe was abusive) caused him to lose his marriage and family and nor does he care, he's not frustrated nor suffering. His own children don't have a connection to him - and he doesn't even know it- he thinks they have a great relationship but it's one sided.
I think it's a mistake to think all these men reeking havoc in the world will ever have a moment of dissasifaction at their lack of authentic connections or the hurt the bestow - they don't even recognise they have a problem.

Do you really think that Trump is in endless suffering? I don't see it. And he absolutely has an empty life. On the contrary - Obama has a rich life and deep connections and authentic relationships and if he did something stupid and lost those - he would feel suffering and have to live with himself for the rest of his life.
Actually there is a diagnosed narcissist on youtube - called Sam Vaknin - he has no real connections, he causes emotional pain to those around him and he neither cares nor worries about it. He is an academic and he lays out very clearly how very little he gives a shit about any hurt he causes.

The way he describes his complete lack of care and his inability to ever have a true authentic relationship is very clear. He's not dissatisfied or frustrated with it, either. He is interesting to watch.

I'm sorry if I sound argumentative and I definitely know what you are saying - I went through a lot of my life believing that the men who do these things were also dissatisfied and will suffer eventually - but the more decades I am here - the more I realise it never happens. I don't think the world - it's environment, it's poverty, it's suffering could have got this way if there were men in charge who had sleepless nights of suffering and dissatisfaction.

Oh but to wish that it were true!!

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree with what you're saying, I'm not implying those men have any shred of empathy to give a shit about anyone else, they're entitled and believe they deserve everything without consequences, their suffering is different kind from ours, they've never felt the pain of seeing someone else's, thier hearts are made out of stone.

Those people's problems and needs shows you how much fucked up they are, some of them live thier lives without facing any kind of consequences, people telling you they have to "live with what they've done" are projecting their own feelings into them, it's not something to tell a victim either way, living your life just expecting those who hurt you to suffer is not a healthy outlook, you're only stuck in the past and will never move on. The truth of this world is that if you want justice you have to punish those people with your own hands, otherwise they will never get what they deserve, and it would never amount to the all the suffering they caused everyone around them, there's no true justice unless you're religious and believe in heaven and hell.

Do you think most of them are happy though? The number of those people who happen to get everything they want is incredibly low, how can they when all of them are incredibly selfish? Take most men for an instance, they're depressed because they can't get women, the only thing that matter in thier life, as we're some sort of property they deserve to get, incels think they're opressed because they can't have slave women anymore, you can tell how much anger is bubbling inside. Take my ex friend's father, he's religious so people trust him and consult him about thier problems, he gives them incredibly outrageous and misogynistic answers, right now she told me he's just waiting to die even tho he preaches you're not religious enough if you dare to be depressed. How about my narcissistic mother? she's bawling the other day and saying how much she wishes she's dead and how much I'm a piece of trash and she hates me, all because she couldn't manipulate me into getting into the field she wanted in university. What about trump now? He's power hungry, yet he lost it, he thought he'll get elected again.

Overall the point of saying that is to tell you being a piece of trash makes it hard for you to achieve happiness, they have unrealistic expectations after all, and if it goes wrong for them in getting those they'll never have a satisfying life, also you would never bat an eye about those people anymore when you realize what they're made of. You have a level of inner deepness and richness they'll never achieve, that in and of itself makes you feel better, at least you're not that pathetic of an existence.

[–]throwmeupandacrossFDS Newbie 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I really like this one too, thank you for posting it! I'm going to keep it saved and come back and reread when needed :)

[–]MaleddieFDS Newbie 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love it too!! Thank you :)

[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

‘Or I might do other cranky old bitch things on my list: Writing a bitchy essay about how pathologically passive our culture has become, or calling my cranky old bitch friends to bitch about some unbearably stupid thing that some unbearably passive human being said yesterday’

  • lol mood for life!

‘But for your personal emotional health and resilience as a woman, you must choose to view the world of men through a new Cranky Old Bitch filter. Through this filter it soon becomes clear that men are simply too pathetic to waste your giant brain contemplating for too long.’

  • never a truer word spoken 🤣

[–]cinderella_risingFDS Apprentice 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the best written pieces I’ve seen. So much gold here!

“The more you dare to define what you will and won’t accept, the happier and more successful you’ll be.“

[–]AlegalHumanFDS Newbie 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, when I read this article, it literally changed my life. I grew up with a pickme mom (as an aside — not intentionally - she never had to be a pickme when we lived in my home country and while my dad was still alive, but she dealt with fitting into American culture by donning the pickme veil. So many of us do for that reason - it can feel like there’s no other option!).

Reading this article was my awakening. I wish Polly had been my mom since we moved to the US. She articulated everything I felt and had started to realize but didn’t know if it was right, or if I could.

Finding the FDS community was my second awakening: Not only are these ideas out there, but there are a LOT of women longing for them to pick up steam and to find a community around it.

Never forget to be the decider, ladies. Never!

[–]proudpineFDS Newbie 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love ask polly! This is another one of my all-time favorites.

https://www.thecut.com/2014/09/ask-polly-why-dont-men-i-date-ever-love-me.html

[–]Living_Butterfly7171FDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.thecut.com/2014/09/ask-polly-why-dont-men-i-date-ever-love-me.html

I loved every single word of this!! Wow! Thanks for sharing. This was one of my favorite parts:

"I don’t know what, specifically, you want. Maybe you want the freedom to say exactly what you mean, instead of saying the “right” thing. Maybe you want to be assertive and bossy but you don’t like women who do that, so you’re afraid. Maybe you want to be the one with the projects strewn all over the place."

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really amazing, this women knows how to motivate you, thanks for sharing!

[–]mindwindanseaThrowaway Account 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did anybody else bawl their way through this? It's among the most powerful (and hilarious) things I've ever read in my life. I love this woman. I want to be this woman. BITCHES BE BOSSIN.

[–]GDSBatch 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article is amazing and exactly what I needed to read today! I forget that I'm a badass bitch sometimes, and this drilled it home for me. I love how FDS just seems to know what I need to read to get through a tough patch of self doubt.

[–]lemur00FDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Bitter” is a name bad men call women who can see them clearly. "

And also vicious and angry. Truer words never spoken. Wear it like a badge of honour.

[–]InternalEmu1477 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really good article, thank you!

[–]HotTrouble0FDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely amazing article. Thank you for sharing.

[–]kinkardineFDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow such beautiful writing! Thanks for sharing!

[–]fogplumFDS Newbie 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Ok wait as she's talking about the last guy she says " I just found out he was on a certain viral spreadsheet, though thankfully I couldn’t corroborate any of the claims there." What is this referring to???

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure the specifics, but underground women's networks have shared viral spreadsheets for years now alerting other women of predators (and naming names).

[–]fogplumFDS Newbie 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did not know that! How does one get in on it 👀

I looked it up and I believe it’s the “Shitty Media Men” list from October 2017 - the dates coincide.

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I remember looking into that when I first read the article but didn't come up with anything, take it as an irrelevant detail she decided to share for some reason.

[–]fogplumFDS Newbie 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I looked it up and I believe it’s the “Shitty Media Men” list from October 2017 - the dates coincide.

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

how did you even find that? Anyway thanks for sharing!

[–]fogplumFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just googled "viral spreadsheet men" lol. No problem, just wish I could get access to the actual list!

[–]No_Fig2938FDS Newbie[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just left out the word men 🥲 Wish you could access that too, I like the idea, if the police doesn't want to do anything about those pos you can do it your own and collect information about them to spare other women from abuse.

[–]dominicanpowerhouseThrowaway Account 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was such an amazing read and so damn empowering! You a real one, OP. Thanks for sharing.

[–]QuebeksFDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was a phenomenal read!

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