Liberal feminism in a nutshell

veruscka · 2020-10-29T19:50:00+00:00

The deep enmeshment of identity politics without any critical thinking is what made the third wave implode in on itself IMO. People take the successes of the first and second wave for granted so deeply that they can even say “oh I’m not really ‘into’ feminism”, “I wouldn’t call myself a feminist”, etc while enjoying the rights that were literally worked for and achieved by feminists. Now everything is about how you “identify”, consumerism as self care, and being endlessly accepting and accommodating with no critical thought.

whatiidwbwy · 2020-10-29T21:30:00+00:00

Throw back to a discussion I had with a woman on /r/AskFeminists where we discussed violent porn and she ended it by saying "if you don't believe that women have the right to do what they want in the bedroom then you're a bad person".

Nah sis, why are you harming yourself and defending abusers

romantickitty · 2020-10-29T22:19:39+00:00

I am liberal and I am a feminist. I was confused when I saw posts on FDS criticizing "liberal feminism" but now I get that you mean "choice feminism." And yeah, I have a problem with it, too. If we need labels, I feel like a second wave feminist who embraces a lot of intersectionality. Too often, sex positive/third-wave feminism feels a lot more like choice/pop/consumerist feminism that has been co-opted and served back to us until it has no meaning and is sometimes actively harmful.

samina_ · 2020-10-29T18:26:20+00:00

"the investment in “choice” is why third wave feminism failed lmao. so often our “choices” perfectly align w white patriarchal teachings/values bc thats the system that oppresses us. it’s that deeply ingrained. any focus on individual liberation is a farce and a waste of time"

"look @ the sex positivity movement for example. isnt it convenient that encouraging women to “play” men by prioritizing casual sex over relationships perfectly complements men’s obsession w accessing women’s bodies, dehumanizing and then discarding them?"

wayward_woman · 2020-10-29T19:31:21+00:00

People shouldn't be able to do anything they please if it harms others. I know liberals will say "but if someone consented to something then it's not harming them". Consent should mean more than just saying "yes". If someone is "consenting" to being harmed, they clearly have some kind of mental illness and it's wrong to take advantage of them. I'm tired of libfems making excuses for porn, sex work, kinks, age gap relationships, and other things that harm women.

awkchihuahua · 2020-10-29T20:48:03+00:00

I consider myself more liberal leaning politically, but I say all the time that progressive liberals are taking the "freedom" thing too far. The lack of awareness and standards (or lack of) that women my age typically hold these days confuses me.

I have a small group of friends (3 friends lol) who wouldn't dream of sleeping around, doing drugs, and shaking their ass on the internet. I feel like those are the only people in this world who think like me. That's why I love this sub so much.. you ladies are my people

Eat_Pant_b0ss · 2020-10-29T23:08:15+00:00

There are logical issues with both this line of thinking and libfem cancer. My former sisters of r/blackpillfeminism will hear me on what I'm about to say. Despite being a radical feminist, I'm fully aware radical feminism will never work, and here is why:

Most women do not have a logical, rational self interest to leave men behind or to identify with other women, who they see as having nothing in common with them except a set of female sex characteristics.

Biologically, it's human nature to prioritize your ability to breed and maintain a relationship with someone of the opposite sex (assuming you are straight, which sadly the majority of us are), over a political movement which may or may not be successful in the public sphere. The cost of sacrificing contact with men, and ceasing catering to them in all forms, is not worth the benefit of safety and emotional security, to most women. Whether we like it or not, most women (even those who are not Pickmes, and im inclined to believe the majority of women are pickmes) want to have intimate relationships with men. They will ultimately prioritize this desire over the interests of other women and girls. This is human nature. And it's likely not going to change, ever.

This is why, ironically, radical feminism operated on the INDIVIDUAL LEVEL(NOT marxist or socialist radical feminism) is the only solution to change in a woman's life. You cannot control the decisions of others in your sex class. You cannot control men and the millions of pickmes that will be supporting them til the end of time. Holding out for a class-lead female only revolution per traditional marxist radfem ideology is a waste of time, and that's the real bl*ackpill. The only way to make radical feminism successful is to only worry about your own radical feminist choices, as an individual. The sad truth is, you can't save most other women. Most pickmes are beyond hope at best and will actively degrade you for trying to open their eyes at worst. All you can do is choose to discard men from your life and not tolerate women who continue to simp for them.

Socialism is cope, marxist radical feminism is cope, liberal feminism is cope. The only real solution is to protect yourself and abide by radfem ideology in your own life, as a woman, and try to reach the limited fellow women in your life who have a chance at hearing you. But as a class, it will never change.

ZookeepergameMost100 · 2020-10-29T23:10:49+00:00

Do you guys have reccomendations for resources on feminist theory and topics?

This sub has a pretty limited scope which is understandable, but I have zero idea where to look to educate myself in the areas that are off-topic.

mrsjohnmurphy81 · 2020-10-29T20:57:22+00:00

It all reminds me of Aleister Crowley bullshit "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". I remember seeing documentaries about him and basically he was just trying to be a fuck boy without Catholic guilt.

suncolor · 2020-10-29T19:59:56+00:00

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I don’t have anything to add but it is an interesting concept to ruminate on.

HamwiseGamgee88 · 2020-10-29T21:19:41+00:00

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Novemberinthechair · 2020-10-30T01:47:00+00:00

That's liberalism or libertarianism. I hate that infiltrators poisoned the word feminism.

43rdaccount · 2020-10-29T20:02:28+00:00

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Title	Liberal feminism in a nutshell
Author	samina_
Upvotes	604
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Date	October 29, 2020 6:25 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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Most women do not have a logical, rational self interest to leave men behind or to identify with other women, who they see as having nothing in common with them except a set of female sex characteristics.