Did We Fall Into A Trap?

Centaur_Warchief123 · 2026-03-14T02:36:16+00:00

Feminism co opted the class struggle and replaced it with gender war bullshit. As long as feminism is in the left, it will never be about the “rich” and the “elite”, it will be always about “men”, “heterosexual men” or “white/black/asian men”. You cannot just say “We should stop identity politics!” when feminism is the core of identity politics. How the hell are you expecting to fight the elites in the damn Epstein island when feminists are erasing the male victims, censoring the female perpetrators and turning the elite using their unchecked powers into “All men are rapist!” discourse?

How many men that agree with most things left says but the second they glance into leftist discourse it is just feminist screaming “Kill all men! Abort male babies! Believe all women!”? A whole lot. You are not doing anything against the elites when you have a malicious, cultish movement in your midst sabotaging your efforts.

Important_Gap8612 · 2026-03-14T05:12:09+00:00

The thing is when feminist hijack whole problems like dv, sa etc and actively make study's to downplay male suffering and paint them as violent oppressors you just have to debunk feminists as a whole. When i try to talk about Dv and why we need shelters for men I first have to prove that men are also victims of dv, Why? Because feminist have painted dv as a women victim men perpetrator.

AdOtherwise3824 · 2026-03-14T03:51:56+00:00

So, I understand where your concern comes from. And to a degree, I agree because we really should not fall into a trap of just being a "feminism bad" circle jerk. But Where I disagree is that I believe we have not fallen into that trap. Just in the last couple of days we talked about psychology as a profession, legal erasure of male victims, medical inequality,

There is a genuine balance to strike between honoring how identity politics work while also acknowledging how class politics work. Sometimes this sub can swing in either direction, which is fine because we do keep that balance in some way. Many of the complaints about feminism here tend to center on how mainstream feminism has largely refused to strike that balance.

I'd wager most people in this sub would tentatively ally with a feminist in a class political protest-action-etc. I would not wager the same for feminists.

Smoothsailing4589 · 2026-03-14T08:33:38+00:00

I am all for class unity, but having to unite with militant feminists is where I draw the line.

DragonFireKai · 2026-03-14T02:54:50+00:00

Oh, look, another Engels theorist who entreats us to ignore the people attacking us in favor of their shadowy conspiracy bullshit. Shall we ask the Kulaks how well that goes?

GreenMonkey240 · 2026-03-14T14:40:04+00:00

You can’t talk about male issues because you get labeled a redpiller or someone who distracts from other issues lol

Specific_Detective41 · 2026-03-14T03:17:38+00:00

Stop using Marxist theory to gaslight people into thinking that they should not talk about mens rights. We talk about the draft, mens mental health, body shaming, empathy gap, educational gap and so fourth. That's apart from critiquing feminism and how it became a hate movement (which is true).

Katastrofiaines · 2026-03-14T05:18:35+00:00

It's not just capitalism. Even if you ended capitalism overnight that wouldn't end millenia of cultural conditioning about gendered expectations and the expendability of men. Capitalism affects the ways in which this cultural enviroment manifests, but it's not the cause.

It's not just feminism either. Feminism merely inherited the pre-existing cultural patterns, it didn't cause them. They were there long before.

Which is not to say that class solidarity is not important. It is. But it does not remove the need of a genuine mens liberation movement. Both are important.

My_Legz · 2026-03-14T11:03:12+00:00

Feminism basically wear class struggle like the skin coat of a corps. Unless the creature is excised there is little chance of making things better

SaltyPercentage6334 · 2026-03-15T05:46:52+00:00

Feminism is a psyop, yes.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2026-03-14T09:54:03+00:00

I agree, but I also don't know what we should do about it. It's not like banding together with feminists merely entails tolerating some unpleasantness. No amount of high-mindedness about it can turn someone who will stab you in the back into a useful ally.

You could say the same about cops. Cops who show up to work a protest in their riot gear have more in common with the protesters they beat than the rich people whose interests they serve. But what good does it do to point that out to the protesters?

ChimpPimp20 · 2026-03-15T22:41:10+00:00

While the core of this post is something I do indeed agree with, I think you're missing how much influence (even with Trump in the oval office) feminism has on mainstream media. The fact of the matter is that all genders can't see progress when feminism openly says that men are not systemically oppressed. People don't mention this much but before feminists blamed patriarchy they were blaming capitalism. Then the 1960s hit and that all changed. Now it's the patriarchy that needs to be taken down. But all that does is just make more women billionaires and leaders in a system that still operates the same. Feminists love to say that men's issues are really just "class issues" but this is a smoke screen to curb any conversations on male specific issues.

Sure the dismantling of capitalism can curb the need to make money by starting wars but that doesn't keep other countries from attacking you. The selective service will likely stay if this men's issue isn't brought up. Free health care is great but how does that stop MGM (male genital mutilation)? MGM is here to stay if this men's issue is never brought up. Paying teachers more is great and could probably get more male instructors back in there. However, that doesn't stop the bias against male teachers. The list goes on.

In the end, classism is indeed an issue but when you have so many feminists committing basic erasure on male issues that can't really be solved by simply "eating the rich" can you really blame the rhetoric? I know some people think the whole "feminism being a psyop" discourse is just an insane tin foil hat take but when you have influencers like Bell Hooks calling Gloria Steinem's involvement with the FBI suspicious, you start to think there might be something truth to it. A movement that says women have specific issues but men only have class issues isn't exactly "taking down the man" like they think it is.

Equivalent-Mud-7171 · 2026-03-16T14:07:13+00:00

The red scare podcast subreddits had all the real tea on how gender politics are destroying class consciousness, rather than pointing fingers.

alfredo094 · 2026-03-14T22:58:01+00:00

While I agree we must not get bogged down with trashing feminism (this is a big red herring), I think outright calling this just a distraction from "class" sounds like class reductionism, which I understand has its appeal, but to think that discrimination will end because feminism is going to end is not very defensible imo.

griii2 · 2026-03-14T08:09:07+00:00

capitalist structure

What is your alternative? Communist dictatorship? Nothing? Or a fairy tale as usual?

I lived in a "socialist" regime, it exploited men more than any capitalist country could.

_vertig0 · 2026-03-17T09:04:53+00:00

I actually agree with you a good deal, but I recall someone here raising a counterpoint in another post, that trying to harmoniously work this out and being the bigger person by absorbing all of the abuse that the radicals have in store for us will not work, nothing will change without push back against the sheer hatred of men. Tragically, I think this is the reason why it's so difficult to just find common ground with the other side and work for everyone's common interests; It just will not work when the other side fantasizes about enacting violent capital punishment on every single one of the people in this camp and would if they could, all while thinking they're doing a good thing by doing that.

bigdipboy · 2026-03-14T03:58:47+00:00

Yup. The fascist billionaires put us against each other race versus race, religion versus religion, now gender versus gender. All so we won’t bond together and overthrow them.

koala3191 · 2026-03-14T12:26:14+00:00

Your example of West Virginia is very telling. White workers in that state have been extremely racist since basically forever. Black and white workers having solidarity is the exception there, not the rule. Whites there are happy to vote against their own interests just so Black people don't get treated fairly. Anti-capitalism is all but dead in that state.

West Virginia is one of the most consistently red states in the USA. I appreciate what you're trying to say, but the USA is ruled by the right, and the "left wing" party just pays lip service to things like feminism and anti racism to sell basically the same stuff as the right.

I don't know what it's like where you are, but the USA, "feminism" is usually code for female capitalism/imperialism. You can say "real feminism is anti capitalist" all you want, but realistically 90% of US feminism is just women pushing capitalism and US supremacy...

SmallEdge6846 · 2026-03-16T00:25:43+00:00

My issue with this subreddit (i hope i dont get banned ) is that we are fixated always on the so called boogeyman that is feminism that we intentionally excuse and ignore the incompetent Males. Why do we hold feminists to such a high standard but ignore the Male advocates? Also many feminists advocate ALOT for men/boys, yet you will rarely if ever see this subreddit advocate for Women and Girls.

People please, enough with the incompetency .

Happy_Reflection5583 · 2026-03-15T04:38:45+00:00

ITT: The comments give me reality check that the "left wing" in the sub title is a bit of an exageration

Cearball · 2026-03-14T23:07:18+00:00

I mean I pretty much agree with this

Real_Signature_1569 · 2026-03-15T06:15:31+00:00

I think you are right. People on this sub played into feminism problems, cherry picked the annoying stuff girls complain about, to complain about it themselves. That's a rookie move - they literally pulled a bunch of us into pig slop to wrestle with them for the internet points. We're men, we have real shit to do, not to cry over menspreading accusations and other girl stuff

Title	Did We Fall Into A Trap?
Author	askinpala
Upvotes	42
Comments	75
Date	March 13, 2026 4:38 PM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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