The following text was my answer to this post. /u/forgetaboutthelonely asked me to make it into its own post to sticky it.

Hey, great to see you here.

I am thankful for you taking the time to come here.

Seeing that you are new here, I want to explain something that is regularly misunderstood and misrepresented:

The way feminism is talked about here is based on the horrendous things those in power did to us and our loved ones in the name of it. Please read the following three posts to get a better understanding of it, it is absolutely worth the time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/695m34/karen_straughans_response_to_those_arent_real/

https://web.archive.org/web/20200915161103/https://www.imglade.com/media/2397404382175142360 (multiple slides with links to sources underneath them)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/

Read the first text, which is by Karen Straughan (and read the other texts incl. the countless sources as well if possible) as an answer to people who believe that feminism would either fight for equality or at least not be misandristic. When confronted with counter examples, they usually claim them to not be "real feminists" or something like that.

The text goes on to show that the ones who actually hold power use it to actively attack and damage men. They question the existance of male victims, threw them out of the rape definitions and even the made to penetrate definition is questionable in its definition and so on. Unspeakable acts. Not just words, they actually did this.

We're talking about the biggest feminist organizations, the directors of huge foundations and magazines. We don't talk about "loud voices". That is what the statements about "you don't matter" were based on. When it comes to what is and isn't feminism, random people on the internet, regardless of their views on men, are nowhere near the influence these huge parties have and use to spread horrendous sexism. And by supporting the label, all of these individuals together enable the influencial ones to hold the power they do, for no reason. You don't matter does not mean your activism doesn't matter. It means that when it comes to defining feminism - your acts compared to these huge influencial figures should not matter and quite honestly, whoever is actually convinced that equality should be the goal would be unable to still call themselves a feminist with a clear conscience. Many here would call themselves feminists otherwise. We do not attack the idea, we attack that calling oneself a feminist is in itself ignorant to what it does vs. what many uninfluencial people would want it to. What these people would like feminism to be is cool, but it is easy to ignore that this does not line up with what it does if they are not on the receiving end of these suicide-inducing practices.

If I see someone on the internet who prefers supporting male suicide, the harassment and discrimination of male victims, the boycott of public outlets that would acknowledge their existance and to simply leave the room when votes come up that would help men... If they prefer supporting the base that these acts are resting on, the funds granted to carry them out and so on, over simply having to give themselves a different label and leave that toxic sexism behind, then that is what I would judge them for in calling themselves feminist.

If a male child gets raped by a woman and she becomes pregnant, then not only can he not stop the child raped out of him from being there to remind him the rest of his life, no. Not only would the CDC tell him he was not raped as he was the one with the dick, no. Not only would he have to listen to the most powerful feminists on planet earth saying that men who got raped deep inside actually liked it. He will be forced to regularily send his rapist money in child support, I kid you not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

Let's think it further: Next morning, he wakes up, looks at his phone where his friends are actively working to keep this movement, the movement his friends have no power in but to give those who actually hold power the platform to carry these things out, and sees them asking him to finally check his privilege, just as he scrolls to the next story - a video of 50 people laughing and cheering as he gets raped, 45 of which make fun of the inadequacy of his body, genitals and sexual perfornance as it happens.

He will commit suicide that night - and his "friends" will be sure to help him out. Two posts about how toxic masculinity forced him into not speaking up about his issues, making sure to slap some hashtag about how feminism cares about men on there, before going back to business. Oh yeah, they care, they really do...

You see why definitions and "but I'm not bad" is irrelevant? You see why we are fed up with how stuff that is so horrible that many have issues even accepting it as actually real is belittled into "just some loud voices" and "no real feminists"?

The whole comment is about why they are actually feminists and you, if you believe in equality, are not. They, the "not real feminists", hold the influence to determine where the funds go, how to influence policies and definitions, speak on tv, manage the foundations and magazines and they do so in a highly sexist way. If the definition is so blatantly inaccurate in describing the actual acts of the influencial parts of the movement, then valuing the definiton higher than the damage done to us would be sexist in itself.

If you believe this is over the top, read this post by a sister of a brother who got raped by a girl with bystanders preventing others from helping him or stopping her (men get tortured to death over accusations alone as seen below) and she refuses to even call it rape: https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/im5saz/my_brother_was_sexually_assaulted_and_i_dont_know/

Here is something about how the objectification of men and obsessiveness with male genital size has lead to mental health crisis teams denying acutely suicidal men who had complained about being bullied for it in the past any treatment. The team was additionally seen making fun of the discharged patients dick afterwards. He was found dead a few hours later: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/j81aw1/nsfwhigh_effort_man_denied_lifesaving/

Here a few examples of what happens to accused men (though them being convicted wouldn't make this type of behaviour much better): https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8673621/Innocent-trucker-raped-metal-pipe-vigilante-parents.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259064/Luke-Harwood-death-Woman-led-vigilante-gang-tortured-killed-teen-accused-rape.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20200403103637/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2398405/parents-chile-tortured-13-year-old-boy-wrongly-raped-daughter/

http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/girls-rapist-invited-to-dinner-tortured-to-death/ (Also see the disturbing comment section)

You are obviously still free to support whatever you believe to be a genuine way into a better future - it is simply to put things into perpective. We are thankful for your contributions. Thank you. :)