A Feminist Biologist Discusses Gender Differences In The Animal Kingdom "So, from the perspective of biology, it would be very surprising if human males and females did not have distinct, hardwired behavioral tendencies..this puts me at odds with much of traditional feminist theory."

Pingaz99 · 2017-04-14T12:05:56+00:00

Great article I think a salient point was that low class men are treated worse than women in the patriarchy which is often forgotten by feminists and destroys the whole notion of men being the privileged sex. When in reality its really always been about class.

IronJohnMRA · 2017-04-14T13:35:49+00:00

this puts me at odds with much of traditional feminist theory.

That reality is a real bitch, isn't it?

EricAllonde · 2017-04-14T11:39:46+00:00

I am always bemused at the way feminists cling to the idea that we in western countries live in a patriarchy, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. And this biologist says:

In patriarchal societies, elite males are able to support and protect multiple mates, enabling a renewal of polygyny; an underclass of unmated, low-status males make useful slaves and cannon fodder [e.g. 17]. Low-status males are duped into accepting their fate via manipulative social norms. Being treated as property is bad for women, but at least they are generally a valued resource in patriarchal societies; low-status men have it worse.

In fact, the worst victims of patriarchy are the low-status, unmarriageable men who do the most dirty, dangerous jobs in society for peanuts.

So...

a) I don't see much polygyny around today, so if "the patriarchy" isn't producing any of that, exactly what is it doing? Nothing that I can see...

b) In centuries past when we did have a patriarchy, women had it much better than the majority of men. But notice how feminists view historical patriarchies: not a single second of thought about, let alone concern for, the majority of men who lived miserable lives and were denied any chance to mate. Instead 100% of their concern is directed at the freedoms denied to the women of that era, who were relatively comfortable and protected by comparison to the majority of men.

Imnotmrabut · 2017-04-14T09:53:21+00:00

A Go To text on this issue for decades has been Elaine Morgan, "The Descent of Woman", 1972.

It's evolution written from the female perspective and roll .... so it;s odd that so many feminuts ignore it and hate it. P¬))

Feminut antipathy to science and biology that contradicts and negates dogma is nothing new.

Jesus_marley · 2017-04-14T14:09:25+00:00

When it’s presented to the public, that evidence mostly gets co-opted into ideological cannon fodder. Sometimes the interpretation is feminist, sometimes it’s misogynistic,

I don't see any kind of bias here.

fiadiana · 2017-04-14T16:19:45+00:00

The author is accurate and honest, and therefore is not a feminist.

Feminism is not an equality movement as the author naively presumes. It is a female dominance movement disguised as an equality movement; it seeks to increase the power and privilege of women where men have more, while defending female power and privilege where women have more. This subterfuge is fundamental to all feminist practice; therefore, feminism is based on a lie. The lie is that men are never disadvantaged relative to women, and that women never have greater power and privilege than men.

The contradictions between this essay and the feminist ideology of the "patriarchy" reveals the lie. The author states that women are also able to monopolize resources in a sedentary agricultural society, and that low status men have it worse than women. While these statements are obviously true, they are vehemently denied by ideological feminists. And deny them they must, because to admit them would undermine feminists' power.

In fact, the worst victims of patriarchy are the low-status, unmarriageable men who do the most dirty, dangerous jobs in society for peanuts. Unfortunately, we’ve done a terrible job at understanding and communicating this, to the point that most men in this situation are convinced that feminism, not patriarchy, is actually the root of their problems.

There has been no failure of understanding and communication. The misrepresentation of men by feminists is entirely deliberate. Feminists must keep these low status men in their place, because they are the manifestation of the female privileges and power in society that feminists seek to defend: the privilege of being cared for and intrinsically valued, and the power to compel men to do the dirty and dangerous work that women refuse to do themselves.

ThatDamnedImp · 2017-04-14T10:24:57+00:00

Feminists are just like Christians: they refuse to give up the belief that humans are God's special animal.

Mallago · 2017-04-14T13:34:17+00:00

Because "traditional feminist theory" is nonsense.

Akesgeroth · 2017-04-15T05:10:29+00:00

You'll note that no other species in the animal kingdom builds oil platforms either.

I'm not saying that the reasoning is bad, just that humans tend to not be like the rest in some respects.

Jules_Elysard · 2017-04-14T15:43:36+00:00

Whilst social monogamy is the most common mating pattern, human males and females enjoy diverse short and long term mating strategies [18]. Males are slightly more promiscuously inclined on average, which results in a demand/supply imbalance that is commonly corrected through material exchange.

Im doing my master thesis on this subject - would you like to know more?

TianWoXue · 2017-04-14T18:22:46+00:00

huh. file this under = no shit.

You mean underneath it all we are just a species of animal? Whodathunkit?

thrway_1000 · 2017-04-14T18:32:40+00:00

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Draggonzz · 2017-04-14T22:27:49+00:00

Once in a while they stumble into an epiphany.

Rethgil · 2017-04-15T20:16:05+00:00

Basic psychology teaches this. The cells in males produce different amounts of certain important chemicals in the brain and body than women, leading to behavioural tendencies.

This is also why women tend to avoid psychology scientific linked qualifications and head straight to quick and easy therapy courses.

Imnotmrabut · 2017-04-14T09:25:22+00:00

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Satansyngel · 2017-04-14T14:59:04+00:00

Feminist nonsense* there's no such thing as feminist theory

mistixs · 2017-04-14T16:05:18+00:00

"Men are overwhelmingly responsible for the dangerous, exhausting, and unpleasant physical work that confers little money and less status [13]."

She forgets childbirth (it's called "labor" for a reason), something done by 81% of women compared to only a minority of men who perform "other forms of dangerous, exhausting, and unpleasant physical work that confers little money and less status".

In this sense, it is women who are far overrepresented in labor.

romulusnr · 2017-04-14T15:53:19+00:00

However, the whole point of being human, pretty much by definition, is to have higher thought processes that allow you to overcome those tendencies.

Edit: TIL this sub is all about being subservient to animal urges.

HFeatherx · 2022-09-27T18:18:22+00:00

Why? Traditional feminists, not to be mistaken for liberal Feminist who believe that they should be entitled to act like men, because yeah... Men should definitely set the standard for how women are... Yeah go out slut all the men, you're a feminist! The men support it!

Traditional feminists recognize these differences and lots of them won't even include transgender women in the conversation about women's rights.

Liberal feminists hate traditional feminists because they touch on subjects where people have to look at their values as a whole, and criticize how those women are only adopting male standards of sexual entitlement for themselves, instead of encouraging men to have values and be respectful towards women and their individual autonomy.

Whatever makes sex more available to men, and lowers women's standards, will usually gain more followers.

We are different sexes. But the entitlement that men feel towards having, using, and abusing women, is a societal sickness and it's not natural. And we aren't living in the stone age anymore, so people should definitely take accountability for themselves and how they treat their partners on both sides.

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