Currently getting canceled at school debating the "99% of Men Are Rapists" statistic with Feminists

duhhhh · 2021-03-18T17:55:01+00:00

Feel free to use this. It won't help with the feminists but you might win over some reasonable people...

For statistical reporting, rape has been carefully defined as forced penetration of the victim in most of the world. Please listen to this feminist professor Mary P Koss explain that a woman raping a man isn't rape. Hear her explain in her own voice just a few years ago - https://clyp.it/uckbtczn. I encourage you to listen to what she is saying. (Really. Listen to it! Think about it from a man's perspective.)

She is considered the foremost expert on sexual violence in the US. She is the one that started the 1 in 4 American college women is sexually assaulted myth by counting all sorts of things the "victims" didn't. A man misinterpreting a situation going in for a kiss and then backing off when she pulls back, puts up her hand, or turns her cheek is counted as a sexual assault on a woman even if she doesn't think it was. As you hear in her own words the woman's studies professor and trusted expert that literally wrote the book on measuring prevalence of sexual violence does not call a woman drugging and riding a man bareback rape ... or even label it sexual assault ... it is merely "unwanted contact"

You see she has been saying this for decades and was instrumental in creating the methodologies most (including the US and many other government agencies around the world) use for gathering rape statistics. E.g.

Detecting the Scope of Rape : A Review of Prevalence Research Methods. Author: Mary P. Koss. Journal of Interpersonal Violence Volume: 8 Issue: 2 Dated: (June 1993) Page: 206

Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.

Src: http://boysmeneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Koss-1993-Detecting-the-Scope-of-Rape-a-review-of-prevalence-research-methods-see-p.-206-last-paragraph.pdf

She is an advisor to the CDC, FBI, Congress, and researchers around the world and promoting the idea that men cannot be raped by women. There was a proposal to explicitly include forced envelopment in the latest FBI update to the definition of rape but after a closed door meeting with her and N.O.W. lobbiests, it mysteriously disappeared. She has many many followers and fellow researchers that follow her methodology and quote her studies. That is where most people get the idea rape is just a man on woman crime. Men are fairly rarely penetrated and it is almost always by another man.

Most people talking about sexual violence refer to the "rape" (penetrated) numbers as influenced by Mary Koss's methodologies, but in the US the CDC also gathered the data for "made to penetrate" (enveloped) in the 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2015 NISVS studies.

As an example lets look at the 2011 survey numbers: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm

an estimated 1.6% of women (or approximately 1.9 million women) were raped in the 12 months before taking the survey

and

The case count for men reporting rape in the preceding 12 months was too small to produce a statistically reliable prevalence estimate.

vs

an estimated 1.7% of men were made to penetrate a perpetrator in the 12 months preceding the survey

and

Characteristics of Sexual Violence Perpetrators For female rape victims, an estimated 99.0% had only male perpetrators. In addition, an estimated 94.7% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape had only male perpetrators. For male victims, the sex of the perpetrator varied by the type of sexual violence experienced. The majority of male rape victims (an estimated 79.3%) had only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims had only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (an estimated 82.6%), sexual coercion (an estimated 80.0%),

So if made to penetrate happens each year as much as rape then by most people's assumed definition of rape then men are half of rape victims. If 99% of rapists are men and 83% of "made to penetrators" are women ... then an estimated 42% of the perpetrators of nonconsensual sex in 2011 were women.

But since made to penetrate is not rape, the narrative is that men are rapists and women are victims and boys/men that are victims are victims of men. Therefore most of the gender studies folks create programs to teach men not to rape (e.g. /r/science/comments/3rmapx/science_ama_series_im_laura_salazar_associate/). Therefore there is justification for having gendered rape support services which means almost none for males victimized by females. These misleading stats are ammo to tell men to shut up about rape because 1 in 5 women are raped vs "only" 1 in 71 men and dismiss raped men because men are one group "nearly all the men were raped by other men" so somehow raped men are to blame because they are men...

And before you think that was just one study, it wasn't. The prior year numbers have been really close between the sexes most years.

2010 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf

2012 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf

2015 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf

Scientific American - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known

data revealed that over one year, men and women were equally likely to experience nonconsensual sex, and most male victims reported female perpetrators. Over their lifetime, 79 percent of men who were “made to penetrate” someone else (a form of rape, in the view of most researchers) reported female perpetrators. Likewise, most men who experienced sexual coercion and unwanted sexual contact had female perpetrators.

And non CDC study...

A recent study of youth found, strikingly, that females comprise 48 percent of those who self-reported committing rape or attempted rape at age 18-19.

The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/

Another non CDC study...

a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college and high school found that 43 percent reported being sexually coerced, with the majority of coercive incidents resulting in unwanted sexual intercourse. Of them, 95 percent reported only female perpetrators.

And another non CDC study...

National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators. Of those who affirmed that they had ‘ever forced someone to have sex with you against their will,’ 43.6 percent were female and 56.4 percent were male.”

Time - http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers

when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).

If my information is not enough, try reading these four threads by problem_redditor with lots more studies and references.

https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i0j2g9/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys/

https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i6sdli/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys_part/

https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/iavcnv/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys_part/

https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/koinom/some_sources_on_the_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys/

Just maybe, rape isn't a gendered issue and we should stop treating it like one. But if we acknowledge that, then we would have to point the blame at "rapists", rather than "men".

And it isn't just the US.

Feminists lobbied against gender neutral rape laws in India, so women are not rapists and men victimized by women are not rape victims. https://www.timesofindia.com/india/Activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

So a woman physically forcing sex on a man is not a rape in India, but a man breaking an engagement after having sex with his fiancee is a rape.

Israeli feminists were concerned if a woman raping a man was recognized by law, a man could threaten to make false accusations against the woman after the man raped her in order to keep her from reporting. Apparently false accusations are a problem for women, so they fixed this by blocking the legislation that would have made rape a gender neutral crime.

https://m.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape

Nepal feminists also blocked legislation there ...

Women’s rights activists had criticised the draft ordinance saying it wasn’t empathetic towards the plight of the victims. They said that having a provision saying even men could be victims of rape could could further weaken the women rape victims’ fight for justice.

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/12/11/ordinance-amends-law-on-rape-but-fails-to-recognise-rape-of-boy-child-and-sexual-minorities

Even if you only care about women, you should still stop women from raping because the majority of men convicted of raping women were sexually violated by adult women when they were boys. Multiple studies in the US, UK, and Canada have shown this. Around 10 of them cited here.

http://empathygap.uk/?p=1993#_Toc498111528

So women not raping, and rape by women being acknowledged as traumatic and treated with compassion, would probably stop a lot of women from getting raped in the future. That should matter if the goal is to stop women from getting raped rather than to demonize men.

Aphinoo · 2021-03-18T17:59:45+00:00

What a bunch of braindead sexist.

Because you gave factual proof I'll use my trump card **no pussy**.

Sorry to hear that man, I won't risk it just ignore them until you are at a point no matter what they can't harm your life or you. Voice recorder 24/7 to counter rape accusations.

randomasshole874 · 2021-03-18T18:35:16+00:00

So your options are..."admit" you are a rapist, or be cancelled...

I fucking hate clown world

Ahielia · 2021-03-18T20:23:57+00:00

> "Don't assume you're innocent because you haven't raped a girl"

This is exactly what it means. When you haven't done something, you're innocent.

flipitsmike · 2021-03-18T20:24:32+00:00

Half the girls in my town think I’m a rapist because I called one of their posts out on this subject.

Wild times we live in.

Oncefa2 · 2021-03-18T17:21:30+00:00

Can you report them for online harassment?

Ody_ssey · 2021-03-18T19:18:29+00:00

The problem becomes even worse when other boys in school attack you for addressing the correctness.

Lady-Lummox · 2021-03-18T20:36:15+00:00

The ironic thing is that by commenting on your sex life like this these people are, according to the study they're citing, committing sexual harassment. "Online comments or jokes," is one of the categories. Self-awareness is a foreign concept to them I guess.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n · 2021-03-18T19:30:34+00:00

90-99% of me a re RAPISTS?!

When did you guys get your Patriarchy sanctioned rape allocation?!

Fucking Hell these people are dense.

First they conflate any unwanted sexual act with rape.

Then they forget that rapists DON'T STOP RAPING AFTER JUST ONE.

EpicHajsownik · 2021-03-18T20:26:16+00:00

99% of men? Obviously it is a joke that has no place to be real, but in the feminist reality every men should go to prison...

I wonder how would economy look like with half of the society in prison

BritishCorner · 2021-03-18T21:08:19+00:00

> "Don't assume you're innocent because you haven't raped a girl"

Whoever said this is so drunk mf is probably walking down the elevator rn

Sergey32321 · 2021-03-18T20:14:05+00:00

You my man just commited social suicide by saying the truth. BIG RESPECT for doing it with knowing what will happen and doing the thing that most of us are not brave enough to do.

March_of_souls · 2021-03-18T18:53:47+00:00

tell them their dad is a rapist

Canttakethewhyfromme · 2021-03-18T21:21:40+00:00

Don't assume you're innocent because you haven't raped a girl

WTF does that even mean? You are absolutely innocent (of rape) if you haven't raped a girl.

echinoderm0 · 2021-03-18T17:55:35+00:00

Ignore it and don't engage. People that can actually think for themselves are well aware that these are ridiculous and nonsense. They feed off of being able to insult people that don't agree.

BlackVendaeta · 2021-03-18T21:36:30+00:00

Men who say the '99% of men are rapists' statistic is false do not get pus*y

Well, if those statistics were true almost every man would be getting as much pussy as he wants, so they kinda have a point.

But anyway, such a typical "argument" to hear: "you're not getting laid therefore you're wrong"

pattyboiIII · 2021-03-18T23:44:19+00:00

My school's debating club is holding a debate on sexual assault but specifically said they won't be taking any contravesial ideas or beliefs that in any hold women accountable. That's no longer a debate, it's an echo chamber.

idreamofdeathsquads · 2021-03-18T21:07:43+00:00

thats a fucking ridiculous statistic

C2074579 · 2021-03-18T21:26:15+00:00

"Say you get no Pus*y, without saying you get no pus*y"

Is this literally all they can say? As if men who "get pussy" never disagree with them. Lmfao.

"Don't assume you're innocent because you haven't raped a girl"

That's literally the definition of being innocent. Lmfao.

"Men who say the '99% of men are rapists' statistic is false do not get pus*y"

I bet I could easily find a man getting laid that disagrees with this. Lol.

mcavvacm · 2021-03-18T21:33:24+00:00

"Don't assume you're innocent because you haven't raped a girl"

Excuse me but what? I know people can be devoid of all logic, but what?

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n · 2021-03-18T21:34:27+00:00

Wait. If 99% of men are rapists....

Why has no one raped me?

Guys? 😭

ikarosswings0 · 2021-03-19T00:24:25+00:00

I know this video has NOTHING to do with rape, or men's rights, but...

I think it might give you some perspective. No one who would claim that 99% of men are rapists would ever listen to any evidence otherwise. These kind of people are just like flat earthers.

Rape happens. Rape is horrible. Rape is always the rapists fault. But claiming that more than half of men have committed rape is ridiculous. In the US, up to 20% of women experience rape. It's also decreasing.

Perhaps you should reply to these fellow students with "at least i am in the 1%"

C2074579 · 2021-03-18T21:21:58+00:00

When they're already certain of your guilt, any logic that dismantles their claims is seen as a threat from what they've deemed dangerous all along.

nosleepincrooklyn · 2021-03-18T22:21:21+00:00

They really keep pushing that farther

theInfiniteHammer · 2021-03-18T22:43:21+00:00

It's not gaslighting. It's a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

tacticalslacker · 2021-03-18T23:18:43+00:00

Imagine how sad our culture has become. To the point of not being able to have a civilized discussion and a meeting in the middle or an agreement to be civil. 🤦🏼‍♂️

MancunianMuffin · 2021-03-18T23:32:11+00:00

Well at least you're in the right sub group now mate. Welcome Home, did you enjoy your trip? 😅 Sit down and have a beer 🍺

NAWALT_VADER · 2021-03-18T23:43:39+00:00

It is important to note that sexual harassment is not the same as sexual assault, although sometimes there can be overlap. Sexual harassment includes things like asking questions about or making assumptions about someone else's sex life. The responses you have received from the feminists such as "Say you get no Pus*y, without saying you get no pus*y" or "Men who say the '99% of men are rapists' statistic is false do not get pus*y" are actually great examples of sexual harassment. From feminists, against men. This sort of harassment is very common.

Based on the very loose definition of "sexual harassment", it is easy to believe that 97% of women have been sexually harassed. Likewise, it is just as easy to believe that 97% of men have also been sexually harassed.

Here is a site from the UK which defines sexual harassment:

https://www.acas.org.uk/sexual-harassment

sexytimeinseattle · 2021-03-19T00:28:52+00:00

"Say you get no Pusy, without saying you get no pusy"

is just trying to shame you into compliance with the narrative.

Whether or not you get pussy is irrelevant to life, and especially irrelevant to the topic.

the40yearoldincel · 2021-03-19T00:44:51+00:00

"Don't assume you're innocent because you haven't raped a girl"

So basically in a nutshell, a complete stranger, a woman I've never met or seen in my entire life could point her finger at me and say that I raped her, and I would be found guilty on the spot? That's what it certainly seems like to me.

pappo4ever · 2021-03-19T00:54:03+00:00

"90-99% of men are rapists"

Those claims are carefully designed to cause a reaction and we are doing exactly that. Stop paying attention to girls specially feminists, pay attention to important things.

Tammas_Dexter · 2021-03-19T00:56:50+00:00

Well if you get no pussy then I guess that means you are the 1% of guys that aren't rapists 🤔😉

voltronranger · 2021-03-18T22:36:59+00:00

You have two different statistics you’re citing. First, you say the statistic references sexual harassment then you mention that staring is not sexual assault. Every sexual assault is sexual harassment but not every sexual harassment is a sexual assault. So which statistic are you specifically referencing in your argument?

PoetofDreams · 2021-03-18T19:45:09+00:00

If you’re a good parent and just personal in general you would want to both protect and educate your child or children.

serial-grapeist · 2021-03-18T20:15:12+00:00

Ayo, i'll Dm you meme, just respond to them with that. Edit; nvm I can't find it

2021-03-18T21:00:23+00:00

It very clearly highlights what’s really going on with modern feminism. Loose women are demanding higher status for them and lower status for men, and you have to go along with it, in exchange for sex.

makosh22 · 2021-03-18T21:26:39+00:00

I was cute and a bit crazy as young adult and got into well... let's call it risky encounters. Not a single attempt. What did i do wrong? Bc if it's really 99% of women to be attacked i would had been attacked multiple times.

laptopdragon · 2021-03-18T22:10:00+00:00

out of curiosity, do they mention the statistics of women having rape fantasies?

ethaaaanl · 2021-03-18T22:20:24+00:00

Next time, say that they're being acephobic by expecting everyone to want sex. Really turns it around on them.

Alejandro4222017 · 2021-03-18T22:27:10+00:00

Apart from that survey was BS, 35% of women have experienced sexual harassment GLOBALLY (here’s the site

yoitsericc · 2021-03-18T22:42:47+00:00

Kevin Samuels calls it SIGN language.

Shame, insults, guilt and the need to be right.

In this case you got the S in sign. Congrats.

MarsRisen · 2021-03-19T00:10:11+00:00

Is this at a college?

TracyMorganFreeman · 2021-03-19T00:36:50+00:00

I have never heard 99% of men are rapists. I've only ever heard 99% of rapists are men.

The first statistic would rely on the idea repeat or serial offenders don't exist. The second relies on the idea rape is defined in a gender neutral manner-which it isn't.

Dremcem12 · 2021-03-19T01:14:01+00:00

With the "educate your son" part, didnt dr shaym make a video on this topic like 3-4 years ago? Saying how its ridiculous as rape is considered as the lowest of the low crimes and no one is taught to rape.

Shdwfalcon · 2021-03-19T02:08:44+00:00

Those three responses from feminists that is in your post are perfect examples of sexual harassment being carried out against you.

They are literally doing the things which they claimed most men are doing.

Lolz

M0ckdoctor · 2021-03-19T02:22:51+00:00

you just deleted your acc lol

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