How (some) feminist educators use their position to push their agenda.

DoctorStorm · 2012-06-18T17:45:09+00:00

For those brave college students out there, please be wary. Understand that there's truth to these observations, but be careful when acting on them.

When I was in graduate school, I noticed that my major professor, who was female, was allowing the female PhD candidates to graduate with fewer than three publications (three is the department's minimum) and far sooner than the male PhD candidates.

Upon pointing this out to her, I was chewed out for being ungrateful, and she distanced herself from me from that moment forward.

I spent a year and a half longer in graduate school than any of my female counterparts, and I think it's due to the fact that I spoke up and said something that, while true, was a truth females in academia don't want to admit or have publicly acknowledged.

Whenever I bring this up to anyone other than /r/mensrights, the go-to response is typically, "maybe it's because they were smarter than you."

drinkthebleach · 2012-06-18T18:54:02+00:00

If I took any non-scoiologically related class and the prof. said they were teaching from a feminist perspective, I'd chuckle and moonwalk the fuck out right there.

robswins · 2012-06-18T22:32:37+00:00

I had a cultural anthro prof who managed to turn every single subject into sexism against women. I started laughing so hard when she was explaining the mental gymnastics she does to claim the US slave trade was somehow about sexism. She was not amused, and I got my only C of college in that class.

rightsbot · 2012-06-18T16:24:18+00:00

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wavegeek · 2012-06-18T19:18:13+00:00

use their position

These people are not in these positions by chance. Radical feminists have deliberately and consciously put themselves in positions of power, where they can influence future students, and appointments and promotions etc.

You heard it here first:

Feminism is not about equality; it is about power

Christina Hoff Sommers details this in "Who Stole Feminism".

SongTamRiver · 2012-06-18T20:36:58+00:00

I don't understand the "inclusive language" remark - what does that mean? As for criminal justice - much of an intro course is criminological theory, which is a branch of sociology. It can definitely be tied to feminist theory. (Source: criminal justice major)

Boss_Monkey · 2012-06-19T10:43:58+00:00

This is like seeing the veil raised on the monster that troubled my education. Every year, male students come to college and are disappointed to find that it is not an open exchange of ideas, this is why. Feminists police the thoughts of students, not allowing for an open flow of ideas, or even debate. The atmosphere in class is tense with judgement, not encouraging of individual thought. This, in my opinion, is why men are choosing to drop out in high numbers. The brightest of men don't operate well under these tyrannical methods of 'instruction'.

duglock · 2012-06-18T17:12:13+00:00

Most of college is far, far left. I've spent a long time in school (bus, econ & CS degrees) and I've learned just to keep my mouth shut. In econ most of the profs are NOT liberal as it would be impossible to teach the courses following that flawed system of logic, however in most other classes (electives) it was horrible. I can't tell you how many times I got cussed out, thrown out of class, etc. because of these types of teachers. Seeing that intolerance is what shaped me to have absolutely no respect for the left. If the educated among them act like children what can you expect from the rest?

crushtor · 2012-06-19T14:06:42+00:00

I read this and it reminds me all too well of my undergraduate experience. During a politics class, approximately half of the subject was dedicated to feminism, including a diatribe against men under the guise of "Lesbian Feminism." In her hour-long rant, if you took all the mentions of "men" and replaced it with a referent to any other race, religion or creed, the lecturer would rightly never have held tenure at any educational institution ever again.

Patrick5555 · 2012-06-18T17:43:10+00:00

I cant stop reading this website

iLoginToComment · 2012-06-18T20:46:05+00:00

Had a bull dyke as a professor for woman studies. Man did she push a liberal agenda. Didn't help I was one of two straight guys in the class. I told that bitch exactly what I thought, wrote exactly what I wanted and pushed a Credit/No Credit slip under her face when she thought she was going to give me a bad grade. Felt gratifying.

TellTale_Fart · 2012-06-18T22:07:13+00:00

Crime and deviance traditionally focused on males. Even today, feminist criminology is the black sheep of the field, and most research looks at males or ignores how males and females can be impacted differently. Teaching the Intro to CJ course from a feminist perspective most likely means that efforts were made to include statistics regarding women and also talk about women's experiences.

Most criminology courses that I have taken have heavily focused on males--even when the courses were taught by female professors. This makes sense to a certain degree since males are involved in crime and the CJ system more, but it is good to have information about males and females (imo).

feels_nothing · 2012-06-18T19:31:29+00:00

whose papers I kept returning and not evaluating until he revised his language inclusively.

She might have been doing the guy a favor. Reality is, in some circles your argument will be discarded if it uses gendered pronouns. Learning to use gender-neutral language is a useful skill if you want to win arguments with feminists. It requires very little effort, so why not just use his/her, or alternate gender of pronouns? What does it really cost you?

CrawdaddyJoe · 2012-06-19T06:51:17+00:00

I can't relate a similar experience. My program does require one gender class, but gender is only one of the four things it covers (the rest are food systems, global trade, and the environment). The gender portion, like any mention of gender in any of my other classes, was explicitly related to the other topics- we covered the place of changing gender roles in the demographic transition, the gendered aspects of third world food insecurity, and the gender roles in the traditional rural communities that have the most food insecurity (which was important for understanding how these community's food systems work). The only really unusual thing was that we read one or two articles on a very essentialist and spiritualistic form of ecofeminism, which most of the class seemed to be fairly critical of.

NumbMyLove · 2012-06-18T17:32:54+00:00

The same exact thing happens with religion. It's not just a men's rights issue.

lemhi_divide · 2012-06-19T01:28:04+00:00

Men's Rights, I think you have completely and utterly missed the mark on this one.

1) Criminal Justice was answered nicely by telltale_fart. Everyone has a perspective. For all you know, the topics could have included women in the prison system and women as criminals, which fits in nicely with all of your other women behaving badly posts.

2) Statistics. You know what? "There are 40 red balls and 25 blue balls in an urn" gets pretty old pretty quickly. So you can chose some other topic. Environmentalism, racism, education effects on wealth, sports, political elections, gender statistics and sexual orientation statistics are all possible topics. 1/6 isn't that heavy handed. Statistics, in practice, is almost always applied to people and behavior. And it's her choice as the professor. My econometrics prof examined the underlying factors in the wage gap that you all are so fond of. As was his choice. Both are acceptable.

3) Being pro-women is not being anti-men. Just as being pro-men isn't anti-woman.

4) Most Western philosophy (especially ancient philosophy) was written by men. I can't speak to Eastern philosophy as much. By examining a women's philosophy movie, that professor was widening the discussion. Those kids were disrespectful to walk out. They should have stayed and talked about it after. This is very similar to those kids walking out of Dan Savage's talk to a national high school journalism convention: they walked out because they were Christian, and disagreed with Dan Savage's "gay and pro-sex propaganda."

5) Gender inclusive language. You know what? If you want to write up to modern academic standards, it needs to be gender inclusive. That means, instead of saying, "When one considers the national debt crisis, he must first reflect on the roots of government spending during the World Wars." It should read, "he or she must reflect." It's egalitarian to do so.

6) She didn't silence criticism. She facilitated discussion within her class. Even though she disagreed with the conservative student. One girl in a class of mine spoke out against abortion once. The class was collectively against her. But the professor didn't say a word, aside from pointing out studies on both sides of the argument. That's called being a good professor.

You will have professors with whom you disagree. That's called an education. For the record, I'm on your side with the marginalization of boys in grade schools as a pervasive issue. But at a college level, unless you're met with challenges you aren't learning.

betaprime · 2012-06-18T21:35:32+00:00

It is the professor's prerogative how to teach the class. It is the student's prerogative whether to take the class. In many colleges, there are enough alternative choices available to students. The basic curriculum of an introductory statistics class (probability, inference etc) in a large university is often offered by math, stat, engineering, business, and most social science departments. If you, the student, wish to take a statistics class in say, sociology, why would you be surprised when the professor includes material relevant to sociology? Take the class in another department! Don't like the way criminal justice, film studies, creative writing is taught in your college? Major in something else! In many cases, departmental funding is tied to class enrollment numbers. If enrollment falls because students don't like those classes, there's less money to pay for professors and administrators in that department, and money talks. But I suspect students like taking fluffy subjects because the standards are lower and the grades are inflated, at the expense of learning something useful.

chavelah · 2012-06-18T17:07:29+00:00

I've never taught anything from a feminist perspective in my life. But. If you can't sit in a class and respectfully watch a movie that doesn't mesh with your ideology, you are a spoiled little asshole. If you have a strong opinion either way about the content of the word problems assigned in your statistics class, you are a spoiled little asshole. Angry because you professor returned a paper for revisions that violated the clearly stated guidelines? Spoiled. Little. Asshole.

The professor's job is to be clear about expectations for the course, not to cater to the spoiled little assholes of the universe.

Trekkie1701 · 2012-06-19T02:06:24+00:00

she refuses to mark work that doesn't fall in line with what she says? no wonder all the graduates come out with messed up thought patterns.

mikesteane · 2012-06-19T08:07:34+00:00

"In other words: an English professor demanded SRS-style language policing and refused to do her job unless the students coddled her ideology."

There's a lot of this. They should be given a written warning and scaked for repeat offences.

Title	How (some) feminist educators use their position to push their agenda.
Author	The_Patriarchy
Upvotes	109
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Date	June 18, 2012 4:23 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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