"How to spot a misogynist"

iongantas · 2012-05-01T04:02:44+00:00

Let me sum up the article "everyone who disagrees with us is bad".

aetheralloy · 2012-05-01T05:11:29+00:00

tl;dr

Shit nobody says.
Shit nobody says.
Shit nobody says.
Shit nobody says.
Hysterically blatant strawman.

nlakes · 2012-05-01T07:36:40+00:00

I think some of those things in the article do indicate misogyny.

However, the problem here is perception and context.

For example, if a woman was saying how she was angry because society thinks it's okay to call her a slut because she wears short skirts.

Saying

If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East.

is misogynistic. It's also a logical fallacy in that you're arguing the existence of someone having it worse means that what she is experiencing is not suffering.

If a woman cites a complaint about something she finds sexist, this is an outright moronic thing to say.

HOWEVER, if another woman were to say; "I hate America, us women have no rights".

It would be correct, although slightly insensitive, to say:

If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East.

What would be more tactful is; "although you no doubt have suffered at the hands of sexism, it's factually incorrect to say you have no rights".

How can women expect us to respect them when they won't respect themselves?

This is also a sexist utterance. In essence you're arguing that, for group x to have rights; those of group x must have respect (by your own subjective definition) for themselves.

Women, as a group, must be respected. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Stop criticising domestic servitude! Some women are proud to look after their families.

This is just a moronic comment by the author.

Her values indicate that SHE herself is a misogynist as she doesn't value Home Duties provided by stay at home mothers. It's not servitude if women choose to stay home and be mothers and raise kids. It's a lifestyle, a valid one at that. This is simply shaming women who don't advance the author's version of feminism.

Feminism should be about giving women the CHOICE to work, not the obligation. She is basically calling out these mothers as gender traitors.

It's a science thing.

She's right here though. "Historically women evolved to raise kids"... so?

We're no longer slaves to our basic impulses. Whilst some differences exist between genders, women are not fundamentally different. Evolutionary psychology answers are rather stupid.

On this:

. Men are oppressed too, therefore women aren't! Or something.

I don't see how this indicates misogyny? Feminists always say the existence of women's issues doesn't impinge on men in any way, yet the existence of men's issues impinges on them?

I would agree that this can be used in a misogynist way.

For example, if a woman was sharing her story on how she was raped and someone pipped in "MEN GET RAPED TOO" - it's assholeish as she was sharing a tough life experience and you just made it all about you.

IF, however, the context was more along the general lines that implied men had no issues or insignificant issues, this would not be a sexist thing to say.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2012-05-01T05:48:26+00:00

That title is totally misleading.

It should read "How to Construct an Enormous Chain of Strawmen While Invoking New, Refreshing Fallacies Along the Way and Win Friends".

husky_nihilist · 2012-05-01T06:24:19+00:00

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AryoBarzan · 2012-05-01T04:24:36+00:00

I could only get about 3 sentences into this cancerous article, before needing to vomit. The level of feminist-inspired hatred of men voicing their opinions and the shame-tactics that come with it are tumor-inducing.

hardwarequestions · 2012-05-01T05:09:24+00:00

These people REALLY want to control the language, don't they?

Gareth321 · 2012-05-01T03:54:11+00:00

This is an article from an online paper in New Zealand. Feel free to join in on the discussion at the bottom.

kanuk876 · 2012-05-01T04:48:52+00:00

FTA:

What these people are basically saying is that, despite the overwhelming evidence of entrenched sexual, physical and ideological oppression of women, the only way feminism can really be fair is if it first identifies and solves all of the ways in which the patriarchy also oppresses men.

To be more specific, women who agitate for their own liberation are only allowed to do so once they've fixed all the things that make men sad, thus making them stronger and even more powerful.

Right.

Queue the "feminists" who believe Men's issues can be address through feminism...

And these nut-jobs wonder why there's a growing men's movement.

HowardB · 2012-05-01T06:21:46+00:00

The "misogynist" label - last defence of the indefensible

jeffsopinion · 2012-05-01T06:54:23+00:00

i just saw this article linked in 2x. a totally different conversation. and apparently by the standards of this article I am a misogynist.

reidhasguitar · 2012-05-01T12:02:12+00:00

I'm even more ashamed of living in New Zealand than I was before.

truthjusticeca · 2012-05-01T04:24:10+00:00

Hi, I'm a "misogynist". Now get your ass to work and enjoy your male privilege.

FascistOrigami · 2012-05-01T04:52:18+00:00

proudly pronouncing: My name's FascistOrigami and I'm a misogynist!

Edit: to the MRAs who are downvoting because it "looks bad": you're never going to get anywhere if you're afraid of being labeled "misogynist". Any important MR issue will always be perceived by feminists as "misogyny", no matter how rational, no matter how real the problem is for men. It's better just to own the world and deactivate its power in your mind. To the feminists who are downvoting: carry on.

DarthOvious · 2012-05-01T11:32:43+00:00

So because people know it's not really kosher to be a codified turd, they try and hide their misogynist views under the guise of legitimate arguments.

Lol. Isn't that what they do?

Notice how her first and last points completely contradict each other?

ExpendableOne · 2012-05-01T14:48:26+00:00

what? A feminist perpetuating misandry and the myths of male power? I thought that was impossible, since I keep hearing that views/opinions like these aren't from "real feminists"...

SpanishGuy · 2012-05-01T04:11:03+00:00

How to spot attention whores: You don't have to; they reveal themselves.

*Sigh*

KRATOSBRAH · 2012-05-01T08:53:17+00:00

Misogyny(mi·sog·y·ny)(Noun) - Anything that Men say, that Feminists don't like to hear.

2012-05-01T17:32:35+00:00

Self fulfilling prophecy. Society doesn't agree with me, therefore all of society must be sexist. Therefore patriarchy, and the necessity of feminism.

The only way to win an argument with them is by agreeing with their suppositions. Any group like this that doesn't allow dissent or counterpoints to be made is inherently wrong.

Title	"How to spot a misogynist"
Author	Gareth321
Upvotes	41
Comments	54
Date	May 1, 2012 3:53 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/t10q6/how_to_spot_a_misogynist/
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