The double standards in this thread are annoying. All the arguments used against men having reproductive rights can be used against women having freedom with theirs too. I'm all for women having control over their bodies but the cognitive dissonance in this thread is annoying.

May097 · 2022-06-28T09:33:37+00:00

Oh my god that sub is filled with cancer. Reading through those comments gave me a headache. How are these people so full of hatred?

They would rather impede men from getting their rights, than have their own.

upsidedownbackwards · 2022-06-28T13:25:39+00:00

The lack of any empathy on their part makes me fine with the lack of sympathy on my part.

"Why is it that women’s rights have to be put on hold until men’s rights are sorted out?"

We're not putting their rights on hold. We're just not willing to try to lift them up just so they can stomp us down. When they're willing to work for equality we might be able to get somewhere. But right now they want to put our rights on hold until women's are sorted out.

Huffers1010 · 2022-06-28T12:09:02+00:00

Yes, it's a straw man. Concern over one thing does not exclude concern over the other. Both these things can be true at once.

For what it's worth this sort of logical fallacy is very common in politics and I don't think it's specifically a feminist thing. People who post here often make the same mistake.

DanteLivra · 2022-06-28T14:05:58+00:00

Funny how for them it's easier to scream "mandatory vasectomy" than it is to scream "Codify Roe v. Wade".

In one you give a choice, in the other you advocate for mandatory medical procedure. Women surely do sound like oppressors when they feel entitled to say things like that.

Iwarrior01 · 2022-06-28T09:09:24+00:00

""Let's stop allowing them to use this term "financial abortion". They are forcing a false equivalence to make the argument that if women can abort then they should be able to do this. But it's not abortion. It's child abandonment.

And, newsflash, how exactly do they intend to make child abandonment legal for men but not for women?""

As summarised in the words of a legend , if she has the right to kill him, I must at least have the right to abandon that madafaka

May097 · 2022-06-28T09:25:05+00:00

So child abandonment is wrong, but killing the said child isn't?

May097 · 2022-06-28T09:31:28+00:00

"The fact men can be held accountable for child support. They think because a woman has the option to abort a pregnancy if she can't afford the child that men should be allowed a "financial abortion" where they're not on the hook for paying for the kid's needs.

Ignoring of course that women (used to) have the right to abortion because they (used to) have the right of autonomy over their body and nothing during a woman's pregnancy impedes the bodily autonomy of a man so they do, in fact, have the same rights. A woman used to be able to abort a pregnancy that affects her body and a man is also able to abort a pregnancy that affects his body.

After birth, the mom and dad both have the same obligation to financially support the child."

Impeccable logic except...you had the right to terminate the pregnancy, men don't have the right now to be obligated to raise a child.

I don't understand how are these people so dumb and narrow-minded.

Balages · 2022-06-28T10:44:51+00:00

Nothing new. Women don't understand men. So they build some strawman thinking this is what men want. Instead of actually listening to men. Sad.

SYNONYM_CRUNCH · 2022-06-28T15:06:22+00:00

Bleh, the usual "child abandonment" comments in there. Generally, 'financial abortion' refers to men opting out of parenthood when an abortion is still a viable option.

'Child abandonment' is a red herring as there is no child being abandoned. At the point of 'financial abortion' it'd still be a zygote or a fetus.

Algoresball · 2022-06-28T15:34:59+00:00

It is funny to watch them make the same arguments against men that the religious right make against women

That said. I don’t think we can have paper abortions without safe and legal medical abortions.

International_Risk82 · 2022-06-28T15:41:50+00:00

The fact that so many people fail to grasp such a simple concept is mind boggling to me. Stupidity and strawman arguments galore. Putting it simply, if women can have unrestricted and autonomous access to negating their parental responsibility then men must have the same. If men can't have unrestricted and autonomous access to negating their parental responsibility, then neither should women.

That's how it should be and no amount of mental gymnastics bullshit will change that. It's so simple yet flies above these people's heads. Unbelievable.

Marty-the-monkey · 2022-06-28T09:43:39+00:00

I'm not completely in agreement that it's a double standard when the labor involved (pun only kind of intented) is as skewed at it is.

It's not that I'm in disagreement with fathers also being involved and having rights within the reproductive debate. However when giant medical trauma that is a pregnancy and subsequent birth is laid exclusively at the feet of women, it makes the discussion a bit more complex in my view.

For it to be a double standard, it would require a setting in which the bodily demands of men and women were equal. Given they aren't, it becomes hard to make any equivalent between men and women in the discussion of reproduction.

trapezemaster · 2022-06-28T16:00:18+00:00

Women have a different reality with pregnancy…it’s really that simple. The other arguments about child support, etc… those are real, but also really different

papabherd · 2022-06-28T09:50:09+00:00

It's a false equivalence, brother. Using RvW isn't going to produce the results you expect since child support isn't a reproductive rights issue in the same vein as literally pushing a child out of oneself.

TwinSong · 2022-06-28T09:33:24+00:00

(cis) men don't physically have to carry a baby to term and pregnancy so.

Boxisteph · 2022-06-28T13:32:43+00:00

...will q man please explain what you mean by men's reproductive rights and how they're different to a woman's? You have the right to provide or not provide q gamete to meet your sexual partners, just like a woman does.

Women are expected to gestate the outcome of the meeting of those gametes for 9 months but that is a woman only process which has never involved males in all but a few instances like the seahorse. So what right do men think females have taken from them?

Geryfon · 2022-06-28T15:59:03+00:00

I don’t agree with that meme myself, it creates an either/or mentality as well as creating an us vs them environment. Both women and men should have ready and affordable access to contraceptives as sex is an important part of the human experience in itself. Women should have choices when it comes to terminating an unwanted pregnancy as they’re the ones having to carry it. Neither men nor women should be forced into being parents in a legal or financial sense if they don’t want that for themselves. So, contraceptives, abortion options and legal options if the first two don’t work or weren’t able to be applied for the potential parents including adoption and legal surrender of parental and financial responsibilities. I’m aware that I’m leaving out the extreme scenarios of rape, deception, stealthing and manipulation but I think what I’ve got there is reasonable for the most part. Any thoughts?

P.s. There are people being calm and reasoned in the thread that the OP posted but yes, there’s a lot of anger, assumptions and generalisations happening that are damn unpleasant to read through.

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