Wow! How do they justify wording it like this?

Inevitable_Brain9852 · 2022-09-03T01:50:50+00:00

But when we talk about male suicide rates being higher we are told “it’s not a competition”. But then you get stuff like this.

Jesus_marley · 2022-09-03T01:51:43+00:00

Anything bad happens to men.

"Women most affected!"

AgeofAmnesia · 2022-09-03T02:25:43+00:00

Reddit sides with rape apologists, so I have nothing more to say.

ProphetOfChastity · 2022-09-03T03:50:08+00:00

Typical feminism. I remember reading an article about workplace deaths. The feminist was whining a out the signficant increase in female deaths, such that instead of men being 92% of workplace deaths, they were only 91%. That 1% shift towards women was cause for alarm. And yet they have the gall to moan about patriarchy.

equalRights111 · 2022-09-03T01:26:54+00:00

Are they saying we should have an equal amount of men and women dying from painkiller overdoses ?

Booth_Templeton · 2022-09-03T04:48:55+00:00

Because men have been deemed expendable assets since the beginning of time. So who gives a fuck.

aravindbachu · 2022-09-03T05:24:50+00:00

Woman's life >>>>>>>>>>>>> Man's life.

You're a good man if you serve them diligently.

If you even as much slightly question the dynamics or think otherwise - you're a patriarch, misogynist, sexist, chauvinist etc.

vwatchrepair · 2022-09-03T04:27:40+00:00

Although men are most affected....women are most affected.

LastSleep4274 · 2022-09-03T03:09:12+00:00

Damn, feminist are just off the roof huh. We gotta stop putting ppl who support them in power

DetailApprehensive32 · 2022-09-03T06:14:14+00:00

Nowadays most online articles are written by women. It’s what they are majoring for.

Training-Rich5057 · 2022-09-03T02:44:05+00:00

Do I detect bias again?

Mr__Lemonz · 2022-09-03T02:13:59+00:00

Come on guys! We have to step up our game!

NekoiNemo · 2022-09-03T12:19:14+00:00

What do you mean? I think the wording is completely sensible - amount of female victims of overdosing is reaching the same amount as of the male victims, and that's a problem that needs to be dealt with. Because they are more important and precious and their lives matter.

Fast-Mongoose-4989 · 2022-09-03T01:39:31+00:00

So they oy care about women overdose.

MOTStudent_98 · 2022-09-03T09:47:32+00:00

Overall men die younger, work more dangerous jobs where loss of life is more likely, are drafted into wars without a choice, are far more likely to be homeless and have higher suicide rates. None of these issues hold a candle to something like "women's body issues" in terms of exposure. It comes as no shock to me that they worded it that way.

Exotic_Midnight4652 · 2022-09-03T13:52:30+00:00

This is something I need to say here as it has been on my mind for weeks:

Woman is in the minority of something: “women deserve appreciation for standing up to the patriarchy to enter this position! women deserve recognition” (cough cough), military

When men are in the minority of something: “but women are the majority! it’s a women’s issue/position!” (cough) rape statistics, domestic abuse, etc.

NOSCharhar · 2022-09-03T07:58:58+00:00

I don't understand this sub sometimes. I feel like this takes away from real Men's rights issue.

They justify wording it this way because it's an alarming trend. If that rate held up, women would have almost have more deaths than men by now. It doesn't mean "women are superior". It means an institution is trying to do its job by being proactive in catching trends regarding prescription deaths.

Haiel10000 · 2022-09-03T10:33:48+00:00

I like how percentages are great to reinforce bias. Later in the text he uses the increase in % to make his point more clear. A 400% increase for women and a 265% for men.

Icy-Wallaby4326 · 2022-09-03T11:15:00+00:00

Translation: we don’t care about men dying so are just gonna wait for women to catch up so we can say they are the only victims :(

MushratTheZapper · 2022-09-03T19:45:21+00:00

If you hang around mens rights spaces long enough this is what happens. You start to see bullshit where there isn't any. I'm a big advocate for men's rights. But this is harmless. Men are more affected by painkillers, yes, and it's important to lessen that epidemic. But it's also important to understand why the amount of women dying to painkillers is increasing and deal with that, too. And the differences between the sexes means that there's are probably different factors at play, so we need to differentiate between men and women when we're talking about deaths and addiction.

More men being affected by painkillers doesn't mean that they're the only ones we should talk about.

Throwawayyacc22 · 2022-09-03T07:49:26+00:00

They say the same thing about unaliving, it’s disgusting, I’m not sure why we feel the need to be sexist on such topics, men are much more likely to unalive themselves but somehow it’s twisted and almost ignored, it’s disgusting to see the statistics and nobody is making an effort to figure out why men do this, I think we all know why, but everyone ignores it.

Blauwpetje · 2022-09-03T08:24:17+00:00

This is soooo sexist it’s like a parody.

C-Dub178 · 2022-09-03T15:37:56+00:00

That makes it sound like they value women more than men, I’m sure it wasn’t intentional. /s society sees men as expendable.

froderick · 2022-09-03T12:36:18+00:00

Just seems like they're saying "women's death by prescription painkiller overdose is on the rise, although still behind men", which is completely fair and accurate. I don't read any particular tone in this text at all, this seems like OP is kind of projecting.

gckman915 · 2022-09-03T03:04:37+00:00

This isn't necessarily wrong. It's stating that more women are becoming junkies and dying, where that wasn't the case before. I wonder what is causing this sharp rise in overdoses among women. 🤔

sorebum405 · 2022-09-03T08:13:28+00:00

The main thing they highlight in the article is that there was a sharper increase in pain killer overdose deaths among women then men from 1999-2010.However, I think it is sort of misleading to look at the relative increase instead of the absolute increase in pain killer overdose deaths.If we look at things in absolutes there were 1,287 women who died in 1999 and 6,631 women who died in 2010 from opioid overdose according to their chart.That is 5,344 additional women who died.They don't give us the the numbers for men over the years, but since they say it was a 265% increase we can do the math and figure out that about 3,773 men died of pain killer overdose in 1999, and 10,000 died in 2010.That is 6,227 additional men who died.So the absolute increase was more for men.

dojoboy · 2022-09-03T11:11:35+00:00

I think, given source material, this is written in a way to caution women, not lessen the loss of male lives. As in, yes more men tend to do this but just because you’re a woman, yadayadayada…

Curly-cap · 2022-09-03T11:24:28+00:00

What do you find wrong with the wording?

ConestogaCreek · 2022-09-03T19:08:50+00:00

They do that with any statistic that doesn’t fall in their favor. For example suicide - far more men fall victim to it and yet all you ever hear is how the gap is closing.

FreeApples7090 · 2022-09-03T06:00:18+00:00

I don’t think it’s one versus the other. I think your being a bit hypersensitive on this one

saito200 · 2022-09-03T12:52:04+00:00

It almost sounds like they want more women to die from this so thay they can act all activist and yell against "the patriarchy". The world we live in is absolutely clown

SolidMercer · 2022-09-03T18:09:52+00:00

Always has to be about women in their minds.

Jarboner69 · 2022-09-03T03:44:53+00:00

For a variety of reasons both sexist and self-inflicted by toxic masculinity men are seen as expendable in society

treeerty · 2022-09-03T01:37:42+00:00

I think this is a bit of a stretch here “although men are still more likely to die of painkiller overdose the gap between men and women is closing” simply saying more women are now dying from painkillers. Nothing wrong with that wording when you think instead of jumping to conclusions.

SYNONYM_CRUNCH · 2022-09-03T12:49:56+00:00

About 18 women die every day of a prescription painkiller overdose in the US, more than 6,600 deaths in 2010. Prescription painkiller overdoses are an under-recognized and growing problem for women.

That's the point of the article. It's a an under-recognized and growing problem among women.

Everyone is aware of the prescription drug problem men face, but aren't as aware that women's overdoses are on the rise.

Considering that, it makes sense that the article would word it in such a way.

I can't imagine how miserable life must be for people who go out of their way to interpret everything in the worst possible way.

Evil_Genius_Panda · 2022-09-03T20:56:34+00:00

Because "Men die, women most effected" is the new reality of media.

SamaelET · 2022-09-03T10:40:35+00:00

So men are 50% more likely to die from it than women but the rise in women's death is of more concern ? Like the possibility that women's death will get higher in the future is more important than the fact that men's death was higher all these year, is still higher and will at the very least stay higher for quite a few year ?

The number of male victims of DV and rape increase every year more than the number of women. But they never make it an excuse to focus solely on male victims. Weird insn't it ?

Also since more men are already dying, the 235% increase represents a higher number than the 400% increase...

ExcellentWaffles · 2022-09-03T10:53:04+00:00

Addiction is something that is truly gender neutral. I assume more women live because they are less likely to be using alone.

lbushi · 2022-09-03T11:38:19+00:00

I'll be honest, this is alarming. Sometimes the sources for these kind of posts are way off the beaten path of the internet so i do not tend take them too seriously because otherwise i am just playing into the reactionary game where nobody wins. But this is the goddamn CDC website itself and such wording should not have a place there.

NoShit290 · 2022-09-03T11:53:16+00:00

Its how it works mate

cheezeter · 2022-09-03T13:08:16+00:00

Society thinks our lives are expendable. Life is valued based on what is between the legs.

Naehtepo · 2022-09-03T14:29:14+00:00

They predicate their worldview on men being expendable utilities, and women not.

Starrk71 · 2022-09-03T16:55:28+00:00

I bet they would cry out for men if half the population dropped from the fucking planet. Also those women who love men would probably go to war.

DavidByron2 · 2022-09-03T16:58:48+00:00

It's a lie to say the gap is closing too.

A9SteakSauce · 2022-09-03T17:15:52+00:00

lmfao a slap in the face to any man reading and trying to find government support for his painkiller habit that’s for sure

though i’m sure the govt would be happy if there’s one less man needing help

amazinglyaloneracist · 2022-09-03T18:45:34+00:00

The gap is closing people. Hurry a woman may be in danger.

Any_Drama3272 · 2022-09-03T23:35:39+00:00

You don’t give a fuck about prescription pain killer deaths, you’re just giving a fuck about ‘who has more’ in comparisons. Lmao.

AveryFakeLastName · 2022-09-04T00:27:34+00:00

Ok. The real concern here is what are the painkillers and why is half the population overdosing on them more and more each year over the last decade? Are they opioids? Opioids are way too addictive and seem to be prescribed for fucking everything pain related despite the risks. We still have cases of nurses stealing opioid prescriptions to get their fix so its a massive issue. What I think is happening over the last 10 years is anecdotal but Im sure others can back it up.

My sister and mother both had issues with severe pain a few years ago. My sisters leg. My mothers wrist. Our family doctor thought it was all in their heads and didnt do shit. My brother had leg pain and the doctor prescribed him painkillers on the spot.

In Canada. We have a big issue with our doctors not taking womens pain seriously. We have a horror story on this every other week it seems like but its been slowly getting better. If we assume its the same in America, then over the last 10 years womens pain has started being taken more seriously. Meaning more women are being prescribed opioids and thus more women are dying of overdoses of prescription pain killers year after year. Compare this to the men who doctors will more readily prescribe opioids and you see the overdoses for women going up year after year while for men it tends to hover on the same area.

This is less a "women have it worse than men" thing, and more of a doctors are prescribing addictive painkillers to women more often now and its leading to women and men dying of overdoses much more evenly than before.

The real issue here is that we're still using fucking opioids for everything instead of finding a less addictive alternative. Seriously, over 16600 people were dying yearly to prescribed painkillers. It doesnt matter what gender you are, that number is way too fucking high and more needs to be done to reduce it.

Annual-Piglet-2147 · 2022-09-04T11:43:30+00:00

why does it matter??? suicide is a problem that needs to be solved, no matter the gender..... Right??????

Title	Wow! How do they justify wording it like this?
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Date	September 3, 2022 1:24 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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