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BP opinion on this TRP frontpage thread?

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August 12, 2014
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http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2db947/recently_acquired_plate_confirms_red_pill_theories/

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Date August 12, 2014 9:33 PM UTC
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[–]Will_Im_Not 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

She admitted that Shawn was a "test" (aka shit test), and that I had blown her expectations (passed with flying colors). Continues to admit that he had no initial intention of hanging with Shawn. Admits that she has never really met Shawn before and was excited at the prospect. She wanted to see if he could one-up me. Expresses great interest in how I dominated her by simply leaving her behind. Leaving meant that she was worth next to nothing to me, and she loved it.

Jesus Christ, where do you meet people like this? And then in the end, after she admits to trying to manipulate him, he stays with her?!

TRP seems to place greater importance on "get your dick wet" than "hang out with good people". There are plenty of people out there that I could fuck but why would I want to if they're assholes? I'm not that desperate for sex.

Edit: In the comments:

she annoyingly gets up to the toilet twice during the movie for what seemed like ages. She tells me later at home she had to go wipe herself up since she was soaking wet, through to her trousers thinking about me and the new, new plate and that she had me right now.

Lol

[–]TRP_11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This reeks of that happened, the way he talks just seems fake.

[–]TRPer690 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

most trpers are full of shit this isnt news

[–]CyraleaRedPill Vanguard1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's much harder for men to figure out on their own how to get women to fuck them than it is finding good people to hang out with. Even the saddest omega usually has a couple of friends they commiserate with.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The shit test he received from that girl seems absolutely believable to me(point A). The mere fact that he could have passed it and fucked her later (point C) is plausible, but everything in between(point B) reeks of bullshit to me.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Men more commonly think of sexual attraction and love separately. I've heard ideas of "hate fucking" almost exclusively from guys.

Women's attraction are generally more complicated, to the point that it's even more difficult to control their arousal via medication than it is for men.

[–]Will_Im_Not 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't get me wrong, I've fucked plenty of people that I wasn't really into. But if someone deliberately lied to me in order to make me jealous then I'd stop talking to them. I don't have time in my life for untrustworthy people. By staying with them, in TRP speak, aren't you rewarding dishonest behavior?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

By staying with them, in TRP speak, aren't you rewarding dishonest behavior?

That depends... I doubt many rpers would care if it's just a ONS.

[–]Will_Im_Not 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I get a call from plate crying and apologizing saying we should meet up. I begrudgingly complied

We fucked harder than ever before while spilling some recently unknown fetishes. I accommodate to her fetishes, finish in her mouth, and took her home. She felt so strongly about me that she couldn't resist having me fuck her in the back of my car outside of her house

Idk, that sounds like he just gave her what she wanted after she acted shitty.

Imagine if a TRPer negged a plate or whatever and she got insulted so she stormed off. He calls her later in the night and gets her to meet him again and then they fuck like crazy multiple times. Wouldn't you consider this an example of having game or maintaining frame or whatever? In the end he got what he wanted, regardless if she was temporarily not into it.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look, I'm not even disagreeing with you. You said that rpers seem to care more about getting their dick wet than hanging around with "good people". That's true in many ways.

I just think that this is more common among men than you think. It's certainly not limited to rpers. A lot of people compartmentalize their feelings towards others. A guy could say that he respects and likes his female boss, but still finds her physically unattractive. Conversely, he could find someone completely crazy and stupid, and still need to be told / smacked to avoid "sticking his dick in crazy".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Girls who like it rough also enjoy hate sex.

[–]zluruc-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Love rough sex, won't touch hate sex with a ten foot pole.

[–]BaadKittehMiss me, bitches?30 points31 points32 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My opinion: LOL, literally, like I just snorted at my desk loud enough to startle a few of my coworkers.

That reads like a pitiful fantasy by a desperate, pathetic guy who rarely gets laid, if at all, and it's even funnier how the rest of the red pillers eat it up. Truly, a more sad group of folks I have never seen.

[–]nope_nic_tesla4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When he walked out of the bar, he found $100 on the ground and all the patrons erupted into a round of applause as he passed that shit test with flying colors.

That OP's name? Albert Einstein.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And a bald eagle cried a single, glittery tear at the sight of the Bravest Alpha Of All maintaining his frame.

ETA: Seriously, I have a hard time believing this story isn't, at the very least, wildly embellished. I suspect a more honest Field Report would look like this:

GF (checking phone): Oh, cool! Shawn wants to come drink with us. OP: Who the fuck is Shawn?!? Are you fucking around on me? Fuck you, you fucking slut, I'm out of here. [tantrums out the door]

Later... GF (crying): Look, I've never had sex with Shawn. I'm never going to have sex with Shawn. I have no intentions of having sex with Shawn. He's just a guy from my building. I love you, okay? I love you. Please, just stop yelling at me. I'll never talk to Shawn again. Christ, I've never had anybody lose their shit like this before. I love you, okay? Okay? I love you. Just stop.

Later... OP: Shut up and take it, you fucking whore.

[–]CyraleaRedPill Vanguard4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it fair to say that your only argument against TRP in general is that you don't believe any of it is true?

[–]TRPer69-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah its sad

[–]DocileBanalBovine 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I'll take 'Examples of confirmation bias' for 600, Alex.

One woman adhered to our view of all women, so obviously all women are like this one woman.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

One Yet nother woman adhered to our view of all women, so obviously all women are like this one woman.

FTFY

[–]polyhooly6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're really not doing anything to help accusations of confirmation bias.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing to help. This isn't CMV- it's bored terpers laughing and boggling at the sanitized, idealistic (and completely unrealistic) world the bluepers think everyone should strive for versus bored bluepers obsessed with mocking a view they don't believe is correct.

No matter the assertion terpers make there will be a blueper attempting (and usually wildly grasping at straws) to discredit it:

Misused term? Even if it's not, then call it that anyway. Call everything some form of logical fallacy. If it's not cited, then demand a citation or study. If it has a citation or study, discredit it. Finally, if all else fails reply with as much snark and sarcasm as possible.

[–]polyhooly4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So its a RP circle jerk?

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every subreddit I've witnessed has some degree of circlejerk.

[–]DocileBanalBovine 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But remember, anyone who contradicts our stereotypes is totally just an outlier and an exception. The party line must be maintained.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But remember, anyone who contradicts [the most cursory, binary assessment of] our stereotypes is totally just an outlier and an exception. The party line must be maintained.

FTFY again- I love how you bluepers skew and stretch the intended theories to fit your arguments.

[–]DocileBanalBovine 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, did I elaborate what those stereotypes were without noticing?

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Didn't need to, as has been said time and time again the behaviors that TRP ascribes to women as a whole are not always to the same degree in every woman they are simply tendencies which manifest more in some than others.

I'm sorry that bluepers can only agree with sugar/spice/everything nice descriptions of women and everything that might not be so sterling is taken to such extremes that it's rarely in the intended context. You've definitely gotten the "amplify" part of "agree and amplify" down. /golf clap

[–]DocileBanalBovine 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Didn't need to, as has been said time and time again the behaviors that TRP ascribes to women as a whole are not always to the same degree in every woman they are simply tendencies which manifest more in some than others.

Then this is still your confirmation bias at work. 'Look, another unverified anecdote that adheres to my view of women, this must mean I'm right'

I'm sorry that bluepers can only agree with sugar/spice/everything nice descriptions of women and everything that might not be so sterling is taken to such extremes that it's rarely in the intended context.

How is this relevant to what I've said?

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Look, another unverified anecdote

I see, like the vast majority of posts concerning relationships between men and women. So basically you're discrediting any encounter that doesn't explicitly include unedited video. You know, because anything else would be one-sided and anecdotal.

How is this relevant to what I've said?

As I said previously: "Call everything some form of logical fallacy."

[–]DocileBanalBovine 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see, like the vast majority of posts concerning relationships between men and women. So basically you're discrediting any encounter that doesn't explicitly include unedited video. You know, because anything else would be one-sided and anecdotal.

No, I'm discrediting an anecdote as nothing more than a story about a person. Perhaps you should go back to my first post and notice that not once have I said I think it's fake (though I do). This is all a story about one person and the people desperate enough to be correct that they're seizing onto it as something more than that.

As I said previously: "Call everything some form of logical fallacy."

And how is that relevant to the rambling from the other post? You said nothing about fallacies there.

[–]DocileBanalBovine 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But remember, anyone who contradicts our stereotypes is totally just an outlier and an exception. The party line must be maintained.

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why they call them field reports. Similar to filing a bug report: "this is what occurred when I followed these steps. " maybe he'll follow it up with a feature request.

[–]lokidemon731 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like two unstable people who appear to be having fun with each other? Good for them, I guess.

[–]ms_kittyfantasticothe great wall of vagina8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My assessment of the relationship dynamics at play? Sounds like a crazy chick and a dude who doesn't care that she's crazy because he gets to fuck her in the end.

Just craziness and unstable people all over the place. I've never met a single person like this in my life. If that's what RP sees all the time, then I get their message.

Sounds like they are perfect for each other.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Believe me or not, I have met tons and tons and tons of chicks like this.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (92 children) | Copy Link

/r/thathappened

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (91 children) | Copy Link

You would think that seeing as how you're stuck in TBP world, where "being yourself" and "treating women like human beings" is the best way to get her wet.

[–]Will_Im_Not 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (88 children) | Copy Link

I've literally never seen TBP say "just be yourself" as effective dating advice. And "treat women like humans beings" isn't a seduction guide, it's a basic behavior guide.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (52 children) | Copy Link

TBP admits that by definition it is just "not the red pill" so if you go into any /r/askwomen or any other thread on advice on how to get girls "be yourself" is a very common theme that is thrown around. "treat women like human beings" is a platitude so dumb and generic that it's laughable which is why it's constantly mocked by TRP.

[–]Will_Im_Not 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

TBP admits that by definition it is just "not the red pill"

So then what, the Nazis were blue pill because they weren't red pill? Obama's blue pill? Dinosaurs are blue pill? That's a really dumb way of categorizing things.

"treat women like human beings" is a platitude so dumb and generic that it's laughable which is why it's constantly mocked by TRP.

Yeah fair enough

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

So then what, the Nazis were blue pill because they weren't red pill? Obama's blue pill? Dinosaurs are blue pill? That's a really dumb way of categorizing things.

So now you see why it's so hard for TRP to take TBP seriously. TRP has a real stance that is outlined in definite theory, TBP simply states "we disagree with TRP." Well okay, that's fine, but they prescribe no alternative. So it's really impossible to have an actual debate of substance.

[–]Will_Im_Not 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

TBP simply states "we disagree with TRP."

Well hold up now. First you say that "TBP is literally everything that isn't TRP", and now you're saying "TBP disagrees with TRP". I've always thought that TBP specifically referred to the anti-TRP group but you keep redefining it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think what you're doing here is making an issue purely out of semantics. TBP definitely disagrees with the TRP world view. I think that much has been established, otherwise they wouldn't have an entire sub dedicated to mocking TRP. I also said that TBP is "everything that isn't TRP" because that is how I have heard it be described by BPers. In other words, it is impossible to pin down exactly what TBP is besides "anti-TRP" and I think that BPers enjoy this because it makes it near impossible to actually attack TBP because a BPer can alwyas say "well there is no set BP strategy for getting women so your argument is invalid."

[–]Will_Im_Not 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I also said that TBP is "everything that isn't TRP" because that is how I have heard it be described by BPers. In other words, it is impossible to pin down exactly what TBP is besides "anti-TRP"

"Anti-TRP" and "Not-TRP" are two different things. I get that you're trying to use BP's definitions but in the end you're the one using them. Just pick one and stick with it.

it makes it near impossible to actually attack TBP because a BPer can alwyas say "well there is no set BP strategy for getting women so your argument is invalid."

TRPers do the exact same thing. I can point to posts in TRP saying "women's suffrage was a mistake" or "women have no loyalty beyond their own narcissim" and TRPers here will say "oh well that's not really part of TRP".

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Not TRP and Anti-TRP don't need to be mutually exclusive. It's not like they contradict each other. I can be a non-theist as well as an anti-theist. I would suggest you stop pursuing this part of the discussion as you aren't going to gain any ground here.

TRPers do the exact same thing. I can point to posts in TRP saying "women's suffrage was a mistake" or "women have no loyalty beyond their own narcissim" and TRPers here will say "oh well that's not really part of TRP".

True to an extent. But at least TRP has some values and principles that we can agree on, TBP has none except hating on TRP.

EDIT: obvious BP downvote brigade. I'm not even saying anything controversial.

[–]Science_Bro7 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Caring only for yourself and how things affect you is not a value or a principle. It is the absence of principle. It takes integrity to treat other people well while simultaneously maintaining self respect. The only thing you need to treat other people as means to an end is callous detachment. This is weakness of character, not self improvement. Trp takes men with a lack of self respect and teaches them to fix it with a lack of empathy.

Fortunately the advice trp gives is either blatantly obvious to normal people or downright wrong. It would be horrendous if the mechanisms of emotional and psychological manipulation were actually understood by people who do not think harming others is wrong.

[–]nope_nic_tesla0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but you keep redefining it

You haven't been here too long, have you? Re-defining things is what you can expect with any debate with a TRP person. They will try to re-define everything you can think of.

[–]Dip_the_DogBlue Pill Man3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I don't take Astrology very seriously either. Do I need to come up with an alternative "theory" for how the position of the planets in the sky affects our lives?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Not a good comparison. Astrology makes predictions so generic they apply to everyone. TRP makes very specific theories with regards to how women act dole out sex.

[–]Dip_the_DogBlue Pill Man9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Astrology believers will also tell you that it is based on very specific theories with regards to how planetary positions affect humanity.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It's not the same. Just admit you're reaching. It's common knowledge to anyone with a half a brain that astrology predictions center around the fact that they give the most generic predictions possible in order to apply to the largest amount of people.

[–]Dip_the_Dog1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The point is not that Astrology and TRP are the same. The point is that criticising the flaws of a "theory" does not require having a complete alternative theory.

[–][deleted]1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

When a theory gets consistent results and you decry it for being evil, and you're suggesting the proponents of that theory abandon it. Then I would say you need to provide a better alternative.

[–]Dip_the_Dog5 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And what if, much like Astrology, I believe that your "consistent results" are nothing more than anecdotes selected to back up your confirmation bias (e.g. this thread)? What if, much like Astrology, I believe your entire ideology is built on bullshit?

You remind me of the fundamentalist Christians who argue that because we don't currently have a working theory of abiogenisis then young earth creationism must be true.

[–][deleted]1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Sorry bro, that's just not the reality. It's more than coincidence when things like dread game have saved multiple guys' marriages. It's more than coincidence when multiple dudes have basically written the same field report where they act one way and the girl reacts exactly according to TRP theory. Women have been exposed, and BP men and women alike hate it. The idea that a consistent approach can yield sexual results from women appalls both men like yourself and women alike.

[–]Dip_the_Dog2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well I hate to disappoint you "bro", but your field reports have zero impact on reality.

[–][deleted]1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Except for when I'm applying TRP principles in real time and it results (like many others have experienced) in a girl riding my dick like it's the last day on earth.

[–]Dip_the_Dog2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Meanwhile I apply no TRP principles at all and get laid as much as I want. Does that convince you that TRP is wrong?

No?

Maybe that's because anecdotes from internet strangers are not very convincing...

[–][deleted]2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Maybe you are a natural alpha or maybe you are physically good looking, or maybe you are applying TRP principles and you just aren't aware of it.

[–]Dip_the_Dog3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes yes, anything that contradicts TRP must really be secretly confirming TRP.

[–]DocileBanalBovine0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Our maybe your sacred cow isn't as comprehensive as you want it to be and it's time to stop making excuses for everything that contradicts it

[–]Mersaul -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll provide what I think is a reasonable counter factual.

TRP tactics, vs being attractive and straight out asking "How about we finish this drink then head back to your place?"

As for the LTR aspects, ask someone else.

[–]DocileBanalBovine 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TBP admits that by definition it is just "not the red pill" so if you go into any /r/askwomen or any other thread on advice

Because only your example falls under 'not red pill'.

[–]duckducklandwhaleRed [like the Dried Rape Blood On My Sheets]2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No he's right. They regularly try to change their generic platitudes as they get ridiculed. TBP is on forefront. Though, yes the same conglomerate that TBP is composed (and still some of those that have nothing less generic to say but hate TRP based on what they learn from TBP) have said that quite frequently and explicitly in the past.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

just be yourself is excellent advice.

if you are a genetic alpha (i.e., over 6'1", 8 inch wrists, HIGH DOM face, full head of hair, BROAD FRAME, with hooded, hunters' eyes, etc.) literally only advice you need is to be sub 12% body fat and you will score (of course, increasing muscle mass never hurt, but as long as you sub 12% bf and over 170 at that height, even though that would be a true light weight TWINK, you will be fine). ideally, you would be a robust 200 pounds at 10% body fat at 6'1".

if this does not describe you, then you should attend a pokemon convention or something similar and admit to your genetic inceldom, or you should run steroid + tinder game.

[–]fchsBlue Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You sound like an /r9k/ thread.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is that good or bad?

[–]fchsBlue Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's kind of bad. People there seem to think you need to be a rich, tall model with a 12 inch dick for women to even give you the time of day

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Must be a subreddit of people from NY/NJ.

[–]Wolfsouls -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Yep, that's who the "be yourself" advice is for. Most women don't want or know how to give advice to men who have failed the genetic lottery. There's no point. Not sure about the huge wrists or broad frame, though. Also Pokemon is alpha as fuck.

[–]OfSpock3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It seems to work for 85% of people.

[–]Wolfsouls 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are the people with decent personalities, so they don't need the red pill.

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

85%? You're way off. Try 20%.

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also Pokemon is alpha as fuck.

Maybe if you're 12.

[–]Wolfsouls 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anything older would be post wall, right? :P

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

frame size is huge. there is nothing people enjoy more than watching a massive, robust jock intimidate short, skinny nerds.

[–]Wolfsouls -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

It's not frame, it's height. A tall buff jerk is macho and sexy, a short buff jerk is the incarnation of the napoleon complex and laughable. Tall and lean can be just as attractive if the attitude is there.

[–]AryaBarzanProud Fat/Slut Shamer1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

A tall buff jerk is macho and sexy, a short buff jerk is the incarnation of the napoleon complex and laughable.

Interesting. Women are allowed to consider "short buff" men incarnations of the napoleon complex, but men cannot consider fat women or slutty women to be damaged without being considered assholes.

This is what feminists actually believe.

[–]Wolfsouls 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm just an asshole as well :) You can consider people to be whatever you'd like as long as you treat them with basic respect.

[–]AryaBarzan3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We have established that feminists are hypocritical assholes. Thank you :)

[–]DocileBanalBovine1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude, you're terrible at st last trying to hide your massive bias and desire to be right

[–]Wolfsouls0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Nope, just this one :)

[–]AryaBarzan3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hehe, never seen someone NAFALT themselves.

[–]Wolfsouls1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well maybe you should stop generalizing groups of people based on one individual.

[–]AryaBarzan2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Wolfsouls [score hidden] 9 hours ago This isn't a white male issue so I doubt the MRM will care. It seems they only care about things that personally effect them, minorities will have to find help somewhere else.

Hahaha. At what point do we just consider feminism to be a hypocritical movement? :)

[–]Wolfsouls1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I was judging the subreddit based on the responses of multiple of its members. I fail to see the hypocrisy..

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

frame size doesn't necessarily refer to muscle mass, although someone with a larger frame can put on more muscle, even though smaller joints may give the illusion of size.

i am talking someone who is built like lebron james versus someone who is built like manute bol. thick wrists, robust jaw, broad shoulders.

but yes nobody respects manlets.

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would you find a jerk sexy? Doesn't that prove RP's dark triad theory? Are you sure you're a feminist?

[–]Wolfsouls -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jerks can be annoying as fuck, but arrogance is kind of attractive. I can be a feminist while still having my own opinions :P

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget at minimum 7-8 inches, that is if you want repeat bangs

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

agree.

generic good looking jock model (from high pre natal T exposure + immunocompetency + adequate childhood nutrition) will beat out 'game' any day.

essentially, if you aren't a slayer by age 13 or 14, you never will be.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

They used to say it all the time until they got called out on the sheer stupidity of it. Then they began begrudgingly admitted that working out and being confident is attractive.

[–]Will_Im_Not 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I'll never understand how TRP thinks that "being confident" and "getting in shape" is some revolutionary and unique concept. You've literally never heard anyone outside of TRP say that fit people are sexier?

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

That's not what the point. Blue pill used to say to "just be yourself." Improving yourself is literally the opposite of this. Now that blue pill stopped denying the importance of improving yourself for the sexual marketplace, blue pill is like "duh, we said that all along."

[–]Will_Im_Not 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

First of all, what's your definition of blue pill?

Now that blue pill stopped denying the importance of improving yourself for the sexual marketplace

It's not like "acting confident and being in good shape makes you sexier" is some 21st century concept that was discovered by /r/TheRedPill. That's been pretty common knowledge for a long time. If you listened to bad advice before that then that's on you.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

First of all, what's your definition of blue pill?

The people who argue against red pill on PPD.

It's not like "acting confident and being in good shape makes you sexier" is some 21st century concept that was discovered by /r/TheRedPill. That's been pretty common knowledge for a long time. If you listened to bad advice before that then that's on you.

Where, outside of the manosphere and maybe real life friends are you getting this advice?

[–]Will_Im_Not 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The people who argue against red pill on PPD.

So you can find examples, on this subreddit, of people saying that you can get women by "just being yourself"?

Where, outside of the manosphere and maybe real life friends are you getting this advice?

Well I mean, literally everyone knows that people who work out look sexier. I don't think that I need to cite that. And confidence is also pretty universally recognized as an attractive quality, especially for men. Dale Carnegie (the grandfather of self-help books) wrote a book in 1956 about the importance of self-confidence and how to achieve it.

In every age, in every clime, men have always admired courage; so, no matter how your heart may be pounding inside, stride forth bravely, stop, stand still and act as if you loved it.

I have never seen good advice on TRP that I haven't already seen somewhere else.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So you can find examples, on this subreddit, of people saying that you can get women by "just being yourself"?

I'll search later tonight.

Well I mean, literally everyone knows that people who work out look sexier. I don't think that I need to cite that. And confidence is also pretty universally recognized as an attractive quality, especially for men. Dale Carnegie (the grandfather of self-help books) wrote a book in 1956 about the importance of self-confidence and how to achieve it.

The importance of these two traits is exponentially more important in a world of working women and no fault divorce. Being a provider lost the value it had thirty+ years ago. Lots of guys never got the memo.

I have never seen good advice on TRP that I haven't already seen somewhere else.

I think there is plenty of original thought in TRP. The advice may seem trite to people that already behave that way, but the idea of never marrying and not treating women like princesses is revolutionary to many men.

[–][deleted]1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're not supposed to worship the ground that someone else walks upon. It has nothing to do with pills. It has everything to do with self-respect. Treating a partner in a relationship, male or female, like some sort of deity is completely unhealthy.

It's not revolutionary. It's not some amazing wonderful idea that has never been thought of before. It applies to anyone, no matter the sexual orientation or gender. Parasitic relationships are supposed to be avoided.

TRP just takes things that should be common sense and maximizes them to excuse extremely poor behavior and ideologies. I view TRP the same way I view plenty of religions. They are often created in an attempt to explain the world, but turn into people collectively stroking their own egos in a failed attempt to feel better about themselves.

If the TRP was simply a movement to expose problems that men face in society, I could get behind it. But in it's current state, I find it impossible to take it seriously. I have a hard time not treating it like some trolling group.

[–]robesta1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't think you have an appreciation of the mentality many western men have today. What's you're saying makes sense, but it's no longer common sense.

Talking in vague generalities may make you feel good about your stance, but it's a waste of time on a debate sub.

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Blue pill used to say to "just be yourself."

[Citation Needed]

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Anyone who's been here 6 months+ who's intellectually honest can attest to this. I'm not searching threads from months ago to find old blue pill platitudes.

[–]DocileBanalBovine 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

who's intellectually honest

Because you can't be wrong

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You were here then. Can you honestly say was not said over and over?

[–]DocileBanalBovine3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes. The only times I remember seeing it were in relating to atrp thread disparaging it, and it usually was a discussion about the deeper meanings of it

[–]robesta0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's been awhile and I may be wrong and have just imagined it. I'll check later tonight.

[–]DocileBanalBovine1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'll admit, I could be wrong. I'm going solely off memory

[–]cuittlerಠ_ಠ1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Guess that's a no then

[–]robestaRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can search just as well as I can. Look at threads from 6+months ago that mention JBY and treat her like a person.

[–]cuittler4 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh believe me I am, but you're the one who made the claim in the first place so, you know, burden of proof.

Edit:

#1 "Be honest with yourself. Sex isn't that big a deal. It's not. Who has ever turned their life around after getting laid? From what I've seen, people who are angry and troubled and bitter before getting laid are usually the same way after, and they blame the woman they slept with when sex didn't turn out to be this incredible, effortless, life-changing experience. Hobbies are important. When people say "be yourself", maybe what they should be saying is "find yourself". Be interesting. Learn what makes you happy. Improve yourself. Become someone worth getting to know."

#2 "I don't understand what you are trying to achieve. If I were to change my values just to fit into what society says a man should be like, why would I even want to continue on living? What good would a relationship do me built on a lie?"

#3 "'Be yourself' does not mean you never have to change anything about yourself. You can still be yourself while improving or working on your flaws. The idea is that you respect your own core of characteristics that you identify with and don't abandon them or change them for other people."

Not much else from BPers on "Be Yourself", and definitely not how rpers are describing it...

[–]robesta0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Wow, my hats off you to looking those threads up.

I remember that one thread about "just be yourself" and IMHO that was the one that really changed the predominant attitude from just be yourself to "not all TRP advice is stupid, some is just plain common sense.

I'm definitely not quantifying my assertions. I'm running around today. If I get more time I'll do my own search later and see what I can find.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points1 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]shitpostwhispererReality Contrarian6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't that funny? The slider has been moving, the more red pill truths become accepted here.

Not true at all. It's more that people are tired of refuting the fact that TRP claims ideas that aren't only TRP ideals. It's mundane. Confidence has been and will be a thing before and long after TRP.

[–]nope_nic_tesla6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

TRP is literally the first place ever that said confidence is attractive

[–]pillburtRed Pill Mana mana1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It seems getting over platitudes is something blue pillers are particularly stuck on.

[–]nope_nic_tesla4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny, almost all of those posts on there are TRPers accusing everyone else of using that phrase so often. Did you even read what you just posted?

[–]DocileBanalBovine 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even funnier was the reaction I got when I suggested that maybe the STEM master race trpers should spend some time pondering deeper than their surface level knee jerk reaction. Apparently thinking about something is too much.

[–][deleted] 3 points3 points3 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]shitpostwhispererReality Contrarian5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

face of intelligent opposition.

No, you live in a bubble.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you just change you flair to that or is that just an ironic coincidence?

[–]CFRProflcopter( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not OK. You know better.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Fine. :)

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[–]CFRProflcopter( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just to clarify, that was for circle jerking?

[–]CFRProflcopter0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah. There's been too much recently from both sides.

[–]robesta1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Gotcha. I had a twinge of guilt after posting that but it felt too good. :)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"just be yourself" isn't really advice, it's shorthand for advice. The actual advice is "do shit to make you more attractive without being an insufferable cunt".

[–]shitpostwhispererReality Contrarian1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

where "being yourself" and "treating women like human beings" is the best way to get her wet.

huh. Always works for me.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok so: This girl tested him with some dumb game, he "passed" with flying colours and consequently she called him up crying saying she "loves" him now. He does NOT run screaming for the hills and instead sees this as totally normal.

If that doesent raise red flags I don't know what the fuck.

Haven't we met before? The borderline/narcissist couple

Anytime things are going too smoothly she's going to keep sabotaging it because she needs that sweet, sweet drama. He likes her because he enjoys the game playing and validation of being able to "win" and thus conquer his feelings of self loathing as a self described former beta.

They have intense chemistry because they're basically perfect for each other.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to assume this is true, in which case: Meh. Good for him?

What's the end goal here? To fuck? Well, he's reached that goal. Way to go.

I wonder if he'll ever grow tired of it.

They're just two petty, silly, insecure nitwits playing games with one another. The game isn't even that interesting. Meh.

[–]Wolfsouls 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This girl is a nut case. I have no idea what kind of reasoning is going on in her brain. Did she really make someone up? I'm so confused.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you go through the first two points of his rundown, it appears that "Shawn" is an internet friend that she might have met through a dating site. She had never met him before.

She wanted to test our protag and compare him to Shawn, but Shawn backed out at the last second.

In any case, it's not too important, because Shawn's existence is based on the word of this girl who was put into an embarrassing position, and would have been even more embarrassed if she admit that "Shawn" was make-belief.

And even before that, this is contingent of the girl herself not being make-belief. The only thing needed to complete this masterpiece of beliefception is if Shawn later made up an excuse about needing to bail out because of another girl who was in trouble and needed his help.

[–]thats_a_semaphor3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This demonstrates the problem with RP/BP anecdotal evidence.

We have one side of the story here, but let's assume it's told genuinely and honestly. She invited someone extra, he left, she later tells him it was a test and they fuck.

Can we, from this, determine that she did this out of positive emotions? Might not her side of the story be that she invited someone around, the person she was attracted to left, and she felt poorly about it and did what she thought he wanted and said what she thought he wanted to hear to make it right?

It's really hard to determine, from an internet post, exactly what both people were thinking. BPers think RPers see the world completely incorrectly, and RPers think BPers do as well - should two different people have met up, experienced what happened in this post and then both posted about it separately, their motives, understanding and emotions might be depicted quite differently from each other.

So this post doesn't prove anything at all in terms of RP theory, nor its opposite.

[–]la_sabotageTerp Terp Terp0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So this post doesn't prove anything at all in terms of RP theory, nor its opposite.

Bingo.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I rolled my eyes immediately at when he described her as a 7, every girl in field reports is a 7 because nobody wants to admit they're banging 6s and 9 sounds too transparently like a lie.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck a 7, if I'm bored I'll fuck a 4 or 5.

[–]Perspective133 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

I find it very amusing that many BP'ers are instantly jumping to either "But that's just one woman!" or even worse, flat out denial coupled with angry insults - "LOL DIDN'T HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE RP IS SO PATHETIC ROFL ROFL!!!1" without any proof that it didn't happen.

[–]DocileBanalBovine 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I find it very amusing that many BP'ers are instantly jumping to either "But that's just one woman!"

Almost like it's a story about one woman and can in no way be used to demonstrate a god damn thing about women as a whole.

You're getting to be superior to a reasonable reaction.

[–]krieg471 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

I have a car that can run on water that I want to sell to you...

btw I'm an engineering student, have really talented friends + worked closely with my professors this year.

[–]Perspective133 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Translation: The post goes against my world view and I don't feel comfortable with that, therefore I'm going to dismiss it as false so that I can bury my head in the sand.

Hell, I could even get the "That's just one woman" argument. Flat-out denial with no reason for doing so, however, is just a sign of a fragile outlook on life which is so easily shattered that it's laughable.

[–]la_sabotageTerp Terp Terp3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Translation: The post goes against my world view and I don't feel comfortable with that, therefore I'm going to dismiss it as false so that I can bury my head in the sand.

After all, Redpillers would never do that.

[–]Perspective133 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of people of all beliefs do it, it's not a tactic which is confined to a specific ideology. BP'ers are using it quite a bit in this thread, however.

[–]la_sabotageTerp Terp Terp-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I count 2 or 3 at the most. Looks like another bout of selective perception to me.

[–]Perspective133 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually counting through it I counted 5 instances, though to be fair one of them was from a purple pill-ish type.

[–]la_sabotageTerp Terp Terp3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay. But that's 5 out of 108 posts total.

[–]Perspective133 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First off, we can eliminate replies from RP'ers who are agreeing with the poster in question. On a guess, that eliminates half the posts.

Second, I'm only counting 1st posts/replies by people. Successive posts are not counted. So that gets rid of 2 to 3 posts per person counted.

Third, we can eliminate bullshit posts that really aren't on topic, of which I alone have made 7 if you count this post in there.

So, cutting away all the fluff, and mind you this is just an educated guess, that'd leave 25, at most 30 relevant posts to be counted. That indicates the flat-out denial rate of BPers at around 20-25%, which isn't a negligible number.

[–]AshleyYakeleyFlying Purple Pill Debater0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

[–]la_sabotageTerp Terp Terp0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

[–]AshleyYakeleyFlying Purple Pill Debater1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You presumed that because a claim has been poorly argued, or a fallacy has been made, that the claim itself must be wrong.

Nope, never made this presumption.

[–]krieg47-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Translation: The post goes against my world view and I don't feel comfortable with that, therefore I'm going to dismiss it as false so that I can bury my head in the sand.

Hell, I could even get the "That's just one scientific study done by pretentious, evil academic feminists" (or: "I know many girls/women who have done this") argument.

Flat-out denial with no reason for doing so, however, is just a sign of a fragile outlook on life which is so easily shattered that it's laughable.

[–]Perspective133 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Playing copycat, now? What grade are you in?

[–]krieg47-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Whichever grade has those pesky feminists and beta BP'ers.

[–]Perspective133 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Based on the maturity level of your replies and blatant bias to the far BP side of the spectrum, and lack of either desire or ability to attempt intelligent discussion of a subject, I'm assuming junior high schooler with maybe a man-hating single mother who's taught you to be a white knight or something.

Stay in school, do your homework, drink your milk, and take your vitamins, kid.

[–]krieg47-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

MFW I'm a STEM major who started out with enough credits the fall of his freshman year of college to be considered a sophmore, and will be a junior this fall (second year of school) B|

[–]Perspective133 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

LOL I DONT BELEIVE U MUST BE A LIE ROFL ROFL YAH SURE ND I HAVE A CAR TAHT RUNS ON WATER 2 SELL U LOL!!!!1

...Sound familiar?

[–]krieg47-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

MFW you can check my comment history since last year (might've been a bit earlier, I knew I had a lot of credits going in) to confirm that I go to a university, am a CS major, am technically a junior now/was a sophmore in the fall. 0: I can go on dude.

[–]Perspective1330 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

HURR DURR DONT BELEIVE U MUS NOT BE TRUE CAUSE I DONT LIEK IT!!!!11

[–]krieg471 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

c:

edit:

TFW I'm gloriously right.

[–]Perspective1330 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

NUH UH IM RIGHT ROFL LOL UR WRONG IM RIGHT U TRPERS RE SO PATHETIC BET UR JUS NOT ALPHA ENUFF KEEP HAETING SOMETHING SOMETHINH FEMINISMS LOL U GOT PWNED!!!!1

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Arw you shaming single mothers? Lol

[–]luridlurker1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Assuming it actually went down that way...She tried to manipulate him. That's immature and bad news. He picked up and got out. That's awesome. That's standing up for yourself and what you want. That's not dominate. That's just having self-worth.

Expresses great interest in how I dominated her

I seriously doubt she used the word dominate. I can't imagine a world where removing yourself from a toxic situation = domination. Those two just aren't the same thing.

I begrudgingly complied as I wanted to know what happened.

I wouldn't have given this girl the time a day, much less meet up somewhere later. This guy's seeking validation and I'm not sure it's healthy to try and get it from this girl. But props to her for apologizing.

TL;DR If you have to view everything as a power struggle just to be able tot stand up for yourself, I feel bad for ya.

[–]mezzozy0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Just something I've never quite understood...so the woman here is a "plate", so I'm assuming this means try have agreed on being fuck buddies and nothing more?

Therefore, why is it a "shit test" when a woman gives attention to another guy when she's only a plate to this dear alpha? Neither of them are committed, so I don't see what the big deal is.

More importantly, why is it seen as heroic to respond to the test by him getting with another lady? Yeah the whole "but I looooove you!" Thing is kind of dumb, but what that speaks to me more than anything in these kinds of stories is that the Alpha isn't clear and honest about what he wants out of the relationship (solely fucking).

I don't care if some guy fucks 50 chicks at once, he just needs to be upfront that it's exclusively casual sex, nothing more, and will be nothing more.

This is what my problem with TRP as a whole is: this is a classic example of manipulation. If this guy here was honest, he could have been upfront that he was only seeking casual sex when she went on about how she loved him. But he didn't, and therefore he's using a facade that maybe if she fucks him enough times, he'll show some semblance of love back. Essentially, toying with one's emotions for their own selfish gain.

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