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Men know abortion is wrong, but hide that belief from women to get laid

FlamingZebraFace

October 4, 2021

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Title	Men know abortion is wrong, but hide that belief from women to get laid
Author	FlamingZebraFace
Upvotes	11
Comments	229
Date	October 4, 2021 6:26 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/q1bka7/men_know_abortion_is_wrong_but_hide_that_belief/
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Well...for starters, I also have issues with abortions that are late term? So it's not actually born/unborn.

And it's really hard to imagine a situation that can occur where your not wanting a forced pregnancy is attached to someone that's already born (which was THE factor that made that a grey area) and for most of those situations, it's other factors then born/unborn that make it bad.

But yeah, there's a point where we go from clump of cells that is trying to become alive to something that's alive. And it's not the vagina that makes the difference.

I think abortion stops being ok at the point where it can substain itself, but I don't think it's alive at that point. I don't consider it alive until it's concious and self-aware which happens months after the birth. So it's not ok to kill, MONTHS before I think it's alive.

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Legally and scientifically speaking, before 28 weeks a fetus cannot survive outside the womb, does not have consciousness

These are scientifical, not legal, facts.

Also in some cases they can survive outside their mothers womb at 24 weeks already, and the only thing preventing them to survive even at early stages is lack of proper technology.

Does that mean that if technology allowed children to survive at 20 weeks already we shoud ban abortion after 20 weeks?

and is not deemed a human

Not a scientifical fact

That is not the same as killing a child outside the womb regardless of your conjecture.

The conjecture I do is that is legal in some countries (and I understand in some US states too) abort even to the nineth month, so we could say it's legal to kill a child on her mother's womb, but outside it's infanticide, which constitutes a crime.

Why do you keep talking about dicks in buttholes?

Because my dick in your ass makes a good analogy (no pun intended)

Are you gay?

Doesn’t your god hate that?

Not unless I actually do it, but He loves analogies. His fauvorite son was awesome at it, actually.

Aren’t you an abomination in his eyes?

I was made to his image acording to Him

I bet you’re wearing clothes made from different materials too.

Cotton and leather. How do you know?

Buddy you’re going to hell along with the rest of us, lighten up and come out of the closet already.

Bro you can save your soul. Just accept that my dick in your ass was a check-mate move.

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We are getting into phylosophy here but I'll bite... I'm not aquainted with technicall english though so if I fail in being clear my apologies...

Therefore, saying killing is immoral but you should do it anyways is a contradiction.

It's not if you are trying to preserve life or prevent other living beings to have their lives taken from them, since life it's the most valuable aspect of creation.

This is why even if I'm not a vegan I understand they have some solid ground when they claim we shouldn't be killing other living beings. Thing is, while they may have a good point, they can't offer a solution to million of people's dietary needs. It's like when ambientalists want all the world to stop using oil, that's fair and we should strive to do so, but what's the shortcut for those underdeveloped nations Who still need oil to mantain their quality of life? Are first world developed nations going to help them develop sustentable energy, or we pretend they just gonna sit there and die from starvation?

If all killing of humans is immoral then you shouldn't kill humans including in self defense or in war.

The right for self-preservation is the second natural right of all humans, just after the right to live.

This is why cops can kill an armed man without being prosecuted, but they still need to prove there was no improper use of force involved since deadly force is only allowed as a last resource, corollary to one's life or a third inocent's being put in danger.

This procedure is actually something that is causing some huge turmoil in the US currently with protests such as BLM an all that, since public opinion (or at least some people) seem to differ on police officers judgment of how dangerous some situations can be for the life of themselves or others.

On the other hand, the international pact that differentiate military and civilian cassualties in armed conflicts is the Genega Convention, which all countries of the world adhere to, making a clear distinction between the lives of those who partake in conflicts as threatening parts, and those who are involved in it as inocent civilians.

No where in the Geneva Convention it is said that the life of soldiers and civilians worth more or less, actually, if any soldier kills a prisioner or an enemy who has surrended already he'll be judged at a martial court and presented with the same charges as if he had killed a civilian (war crime).

The only killing who is admisible in a war (and still immoral but not penalized by law) is the one that is asumed necesary for self-preservation or to preserve the life of a third involved, be it a civilian or a soldier.

It's also a war crime to kill soldiers of third parts involved who are serving as peace armies or giving health asistance, such as white/blue helmets and Red Cross soldiers.

Thus, all killing of humans is not immoral.

If killing is not immoral and hence wrong, the nothing is wrong.

If you kill a man in self-defense, that's still murder. It's just that morally you can't be judged by others since self-preservation is an individual right intrinsically tied to the right to live.

Like... Come on...

This is "I robot" elementary level phylosophy dude.

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I know that Norma McCorvey didn't get the abortion she was seeking, but at the end her case was used as a legal precedent to promote abortion rights in all the US and, with time, all over the world.

The conspiracy part... It's actually on Wikipedia.

"In 1995 Norma McCorvey regretted her performance and acknowledged that part of her statement at trial was not true. [3] McCorvey alleges that he became a "pawn" for two ambitious young attorneys (Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee) who were looking for a plaintiff who could change the laws prohibiting abortion in the State of Texas. [3] Sarah Weddington, the attorney who litigated Roe v. Wade on the Supreme Court, described in a speech at the Institute for Educational Ethics in Oklahoma why he used the bogus rape charges, all the way to the Supreme Court: “My conduct could not have been totally ethical. But I did it for what I thought were good reasons. " [4] In 2005, she asked the Supreme Court to review the 1973 ruling, arguing that the case should be heard again due to new evidence about the harm the procedure inflicts on women, but the petition was denied.

Hugh Hefner, founder of Playboy, acknowledged his funding for the trial; "Playboy was probably more involved in Roe vs. Wade than any other company. We provided the funds for those first cases and we also wrote the amicus curiae in the Roe case. "[5]"

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Roe_contra_Wade

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