Q4RP: How do you explain /r/Cuckold?

SerpOfZerk · 2016-02-21T05:18:00+00:00

Weird sexual fetish that is irrelevant to the red pill

Some men like dicks up their asses and shit in their mouth, is that also relevant to TRP?

red-triad · 2016-02-21T06:35:54+00:00

I think we first need to understand there the word cuckold has two different meanings today.

You have the voluntary cuckold, which is what the /r/cuckold sub is about. It is a fetish where the guy gets his kicks when other guys fuck his wife.

Then you have the involuntary cuckold, which is basically a wife/girlfriend fucking around.

To me the loser is the one who knows his wife is fucking around against his will, yet puts up with it.

Personally I think the guys that gets turned on by being cuckolded has deep self esteem and insecurity issues, but that is a totally different topic.

lolobviously · 2016-02-21T07:24:46+00:00

As someone who has been in the swinging community, I reckon I have a decent handle on this.

In every case Ive experienced the woman is well in control, and the guys are losers.

This experience is the best sexual experience they will get and they do what they are told.

AMA.

theozoph · 2016-02-21T15:30:06+00:00

Well, I'm an ex-redpiller who fantasizes about being the man who fucks the cuckold's wife.

Really all you had to say, OP.

Couldn't hack the RP program : check
Now anti-TRP ("cuz it's THEIR fault, not mine") : check
Nurses weird fetishes (but can't act on them) : check
Excuses pathological behavior : check
Wants to "discuss" it on Reddit : Aw gud' lawdy... check

Excuse me while I scrub my brain from this train wreck, and try to forget you exist.

WrensPens · 2016-02-21T07:22:49+00:00

I agree with this post. I don't get the appeal of it, but if some men like, more power to them. i mean if you can find your woman acting like a total slut hot and gobbling strange cock, well that's you less thing you have to worry about in life.

divergentdracula · 2016-02-21T10:09:13+00:00

Is naked pic showing connected to cuckoldry though? Letting someone else fuck your wife is just evolutionarily hurting yourself by opening up a possibility of using resources on genes that are not your own. Letting other men see a naked picture of your wife does nothing of the sort. You can say it shows your wife off and makes others jealous.

Apexk9 · 2016-02-21T05:27:55+00:00

There's people out there who like to fuck cars and helicopters so I'm sure there are guys who get turned on by the shit

trp132 · 2016-02-21T16:40:53+00:00

There's a difference between /r/Cuckold and "Being a cuck" just the same as there's a difference between /r/bdsm and /r/rape (rape survivors forum). One is a fetish fantasizing about consensual fantasy submission in a limited sexual context, the other is non-consensually actually being made into a victim.

Your question is kinda like asking "If women don't want to be raped, how come /r/bdsm exists?"

ferrarifan · 2016-02-21T18:28:05+00:00

The Cuckold fetish is just a fetish. From what I've seen on /r/Cuckold, it's more of a hotwife/wifesharing fetish than an emasculation fetish.

But "Cuckold" has recently become a word to describe people who just sit back and accept a bad situation and who are either powerless, or don't have the confidence/will-power to change it. I think that the adjective version originated on /r9k/ to describe guys who are in the "friend-zone" and "giving emotional support to women" while they "go off and fuck some chad cock" only to give the "beta" "leftovers". While I don't think that if often the case, I do think that some guys are "cucks" if they are unhappy with their current dating/sexual situation, yet do nothing to change it.

teeay · 2016-02-21T19:33:34+00:00

I cbf if my wife fucks other men. I fuck other women, and I'm just not that invested that im gonna mate guard. I've done my DNA duty and propagated my genes, life is about fun.

SexySupremeGentleman · 2016-02-21T21:36:07+00:00

They are mentally ill.

Plugawy_Nedznik · 2016-02-21T05:36:40+00:00

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cuckold

Nowhere does it say that it is voluntary.

gavinok · 2016-02-21T06:26:58+00:00

TRP is against the idea of a cuckold if it comes from a futile, surrendering mindset. One where a guy in a cuckold fetish converts to liking this fetish because he cannot sexually satisfy his wife, or cannot attain a certain sexual prowess.

If the motivation for the cuckold is 100% a search for pleasure, the guy isn't a loser.

The main idea behind TRP in relationship with these scenarios is a man should have sexual freedom.

betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-02-21T07:52:43+00:00

Redpillers often imply that cuckolds are losers.

Imply? It's not an implication, it's a fact.

To redpillers, it's impossible for a man to actually like it and it's just another way for women to emasculate men.

To me, its irrelevant whether the cuck likes it. If anything, liking it is worse. It implies you are a degenerate aberration, a genetic dead end doomed to raise other mens children. Your DNA has failed. You are failure embodied. Those who knew of your unfortunate proclivity, be they friends, family or business partners, would abandon you in droves. You inspire innate, instinctive revulsion in others. You, in a word, suck.

hedonism_bot_69 · 2016-02-21T08:25:12+00:00

Its probably an attempt to take some sort of control over something they know they have no control over. Its a very common trick with addicts. They will claim that they are where they are in life because they planned it like this. They wanted this. It lets them of the hook for changing and it also give them their control back. Cuckolds know they are low value and going to get cheated on and thus consciously/subconsciously beat their wives to the punch so to speak by arranging it.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2016-02-21T19:41:43+00:00

Part of human sexuality is the concept of ownership. Men want to own the woman, which is an evolutionary byproduct of not being cucked. This is why religions place such a high value on marriage, which is essentially sole ownership of sex and reproduction.

despite all of their protests, women want to be owned by a high status man, to believe that he chose her out of many other options so she can feel special. She can thus get good genetics and provisioning. A clear example of this in fiction is 50 shades, which sold more copies than harry potter.

So overall the men who are choosing to be cuckolds have something inherently wrong with their self esteem. They do not believe that they are so high value that they can share their wife without repercussions, but most likely believe that they are not enough, or cannot sexually satisfy their wives. This may also have to do with a serious addiction to pornography, which is mixed along with the taboo and with the genuine love they have for their wives.

This is a separate concept from the man begrudgingly going along with his wife's promiscuity because he is a spineless beta and has no choice in the matter. Or the man who unknowingly has raised the children of his wife's infidelity, or a man who stupidly marries a single mother. All of these examples show a man without options, or severely brainwashed by church to see this as a virtuous act.

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joseremarque · 2016-02-21T06:52:04+00:00

The fight or flight response is essential for generating arousal. The fear of loss associated with cuckoldry creates a fear boner. It needs to be understood that cuckoldry is a form of bdsm and thus practiced within similar frame and limitations. Our so I've heard.

divergentdracula · 2016-02-21T12:18:26+00:00

As /u/red-triad explained already, you're confusing voluntary and involuntary cuckolds. TRP is not (usually) referring to the fetish.

A more moderate example is the husband of Janet Bloomfield (JudgyBitch), a popular anti-feminist blogger. Her husband isn't technically a cuckold but she did post a topless pic of herself and he was okay with it. Now, redpillers might say that he got cuckolded

I don't get the problem with the girl just posting some photos. I post my gf's nudes online myself (with her permission ofc) because it gives me a kick like I'm showing off my property.

I've not seen TRP discuss this much so I have no idea if they agree with that or not. I imagine it depends on context. If a girl you're with is posting photos and you don't want her to, obviously it will bother you.

But I don't see how it's connected as cuckolding. You can see the merchandise but only I can use it.

madscientistlove · 2016-02-21T20:28:22+00:00

How do you explain /r/Cuckold?

It's 2016, people are into all sorts of weird shit.

winndixie · 2016-02-22T01:44:53+00:00

A fetish.

danxmason · 2016-02-22T03:00:09+00:00

Some guys like to be dressed in diapers and made to shit themselves. They're most definitely losers, but they have every right to be losers.

nycbull111 · 2016-02-22T03:42:54+00:00

I found this way too late, but I would assume I have more experiences with cucks irl than anyone else in this thread. Almost all of the ones I have met truly enjoyed it, although there were definitely a couple who just went along with it because the girl would leave them otherwise.

ehwut · 2016-02-22T09:35:43+00:00

It's simpler than I have ever seen anybody on this subreddit make it. I can clarify in only two steps.

Many men get turned on seeing people screw
Some men are not sexually jealous

That's all there is to it. Everything else that gets lumped in with it are fetish sub-niches that get overexposed by porn sites looking to draw traffic.

If somebody can understand why seeing people screw is a turn on, can understand why a man might prefer his wife to some stranger or bad actor, and can understand why some men are not turned on watching themselves screw, then there's nothing else to explain.

It's a fetish. Some couples do it to spice things up. That's it.

I'm astounded at the number of guesses people have about it, as they try to impose their own insecurities or fears upon others. So, here's another thing that's helpful to understanding: does your guess derive from how you would feel as a cuckold? Does it make it more complicated than I just explained it? If you answer yes to both, then you're projecting.

This isn't to say that any of the guesses or projections are wrong all of the time. Just that they're not correct all of the time either. It's a sexual fetish. The nuances are as varied as people.

All this said, there is a HUGE difference between a cuckold fetish and someone getting betrayed, deceived, and volunteered for health risk without consent because someone cheats. And that difference is consent. Due to the threat of disease, willing cuckoldry is to cheating as sex is to rape.

DaphneDK · 2016-02-22T09:43:37+00:00

It seems to be a new thing, and I wonder if this fetish (and similar ones) tells something more broadly about the current state of our society and culture.

sardonis70 · 2016-02-22T13:40:00+00:00

I guess it isn't my place to determine if such a man is a "loser" or not, but from my own PoV? Yeah, huge loser.

If he and she are getting everything they want from the relationship, however they go about getting it, I'd say FOR THEM things are all good. I'm not sharing my wife with another man, and since I'm all "old school" I do consider her "mine" in all/any ways relating to sex and sexual activity. Hell, in many ways that extends into the mental/emotional realm, as there are levels of emotional intimacy I'd be VERY uncomfortable with my wife sharing with others.

despisedlove2 · 2016-02-21T10:17:48+00:00

For starters, it is a fetish. Second, have you heard of battered wife syndrome? Who knows if this is the male equivalent? If a woman can't dump her beta bux husband because she needs his money, she could consider suitably emasculating him to the point that she has his enthusiastic support for her natural alpha seeking ways.

The end result is the same. Some beta bux get paternity fraud. Others get cuckolded and learn to like it.

throwinout · 2016-02-21T08:22:24+00:00

To redpillers, it's impossible for a man to actually like it and it's just another way for women to emasculate men.

No. Any source for this? The men clearly do like it - but it is something out of the ordinary. It is a form of sexual deviancy, but at least it is not harmful [to anyone other than themselves - if that] like pedophilia.

It is a form of BDSM, if you look at cuckolding the husbands often like being humiliated. The cuckolds themselves often refer to themselves as inadequate or other disparaging terms. There is a lot of overlap between cuckolding, female dominatrix stuff, and sadomasochism.

There is also a racist element to it. The cuckold is almost always white, the wife is also commonly white, and the bull is either white or black (although I think blacks are preferred).

Warning, the below is my own personal conjecture.

In pop evolutionary psychology, a la Sex at Dawn, it may be seen as a reflection of the proliferation of betas. At one time, their women were used by the more masculine men in society and the powerful men would send the weaker men to fight, work, or otherwise die off (perhaps the story of Bathsheba was an allegory for this). Now those beta men are left alive due to a more peaceful society with less dangerous work, they still have the desire to have their women be used by more powerful men.

inquisitiveguy1990 · 2016-02-21T11:46:23+00:00

I'd have no objections to fucking my GF with some male hooker. But it had to be really hard and I am in total control of the situation etc. Basically we do it like in threesome pornos. Not sure this qualifies as a cuckold? What turns me on is seeing girls act slutty/ turned on extemely/sexually used.

I'd also like to have a threesome with my GF and some girl.

Dietyz · 2016-02-21T07:28:28+00:00

Some men have sexual fantasies so enticing that it overpowers their natural instincts(which are pretty repressed to begin with)

I like cuckold porn ever so often, but from the bulls POV. That is natural imo because it is 3 of a males favorite things, a situation in which there is no commitment + pussy + competition/dominance over another male.

Personally I think there is a strong connection between possessive behavior and protective behavior, so to me cuckolds are submissive in a way that makes them less protective, but it is justified by adding another male into the mix. Combine that by getting off to being humiliated and being attracted to dominant woman and you got cuckolds. Personally I think there needs to be less of a competitive drive and a feeling of acceptance that a TRP member wouldn't have

IMO the cuckold mindset reminds me more of MGTOW, TRP is like the opposite of a cuckold mindset

OlBastard · 2016-02-21T15:24:48+00:00

If you're going to be a weak beta, may as well be turned on by it as guys plow your wife. What other option do you have?

Title	Q4RP: How do you explain /r/Cuckold?
Author	divergentdracula
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Date	February 21, 2016 5:15 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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