What does RP think about psychological therapy?

PPD-Angel · 2019-01-06T17:26:22+00:00

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Barely-moral · 2019-01-06T16:50:09+00:00

Is that related to RP at all?

I don't know. I think that if you go to therapy knowing that you need help and perspective, if you go with an open mind and open to the idea that you might discover a problem, a new angle to see things and you are willing to play the game and explore a bit in order to solve a problem that maybe you don't know what it is but you know it is there... then it can be useful.

Of course, how good your psychotherapist is and how do you click with said therapist plays a role, but it is way more important that you have the right mindset.

I went to psychological therapy for years in order to find out what was wrong with my head. I discovered it. I couldn't "cure" it but I can build a peaceful and functional life around my quirks thanks to all the learning and experimenting I did during those years.

I would recommend it to any person that is willing to put themselves in the right mindset. It is a tool to help you be introspective, know yourself and try some changes.

Edit: Thank you for the gold.

NightwingTRP · 2019-01-06T16:51:59+00:00

Cognitive based therapies have a lot of good science behind them. However, psychology is a field that has been compromised by social justice ideologues who have repeatedly tried to twist things to suit their own conclusions. As a result the question of "does it have value?" gets an answer by an informed red pill man of "yes and no." There's a long list of where you'd go yes and a similarly long list of where you'd go no. If was advising a man about getting therapy I would suggest seeking a man with strong training in cognitive therapies. Do not go to a woman for counselling as she will likely adopt the female mindset which is less useful for a man trying to fix his own mindset. You will have better results with a male adaptive mindset and empathy on the part of the counsellor will be both easier and stronger.

LonesomeSidLeon · 2019-01-06T19:44:16+00:00

I had a lot of tragedy in my Family. A LOT. I first went to talk therapy after my brother and his wife were murdered. It helped.

Ive had good therapists and bad therapists. At this point, I know what to look for and what to avoid. It might sound weird, but my test for a prospective therapist, is to see if they will joke with me. If they can laugh at my jokes and tell a joke themselves, they are far more likely to listen without judgement, and more willing to emotionally connect. The big thing is, trust your gut. I went to see a therapist once, first thing she said was no cussing... in our conversation, it became clear that she was very controlling and judgemental. I never went back. Another therapist I saw for only 4 months, helped me massively change my life for the better. She was amazing... and I would have continued therapy with her, but she closed her practice.

Therapy, like most things, only works if you work on it... but make sure your are comfortable with the therapist and that they sincere and arent playing games.

MGTOWtoday · 2019-01-06T17:12:18+00:00

Cognitive therapy is great. Marriage counselors are not. There's a big part of the psychology field has become totally corrupt. The cutting edge stuff is great. The stuff the rooted in evolution is great. But there's a big part of it that's corrupted by PC culture, and the number of women in psychological fields only makes this worse.

reluctantly_red · 2019-01-06T17:44:46+00:00

They made me take enough psychology courses for me to understand that psychologists are pretty good at explaining how people get fucked up but they suck at putting them back together. The vast majority of therapy is totally useless.

peterlongc · 2019-01-06T17:12:13+00:00

reddit can act as therapy if you listen to the therapeutic voices.

unfortunately i'd wager it functions as just the opposite most of the time.. well, there's a lot of voices here that need therapy maybe; but there's very wise and helpful voices at reddit no doubt

Pope_Lucious · 2019-01-06T19:34:49+00:00

I think it can be useful if one finds a smart, thoughtful therapist. But there are a lot of ideologues posing as therapists one has to look out for.

MissNietzsche · 2019-01-06T21:11:27+00:00

I go to CBT, and tbh, a lot of what I'm taught there goes against RP theory. This is very evident for me in group therapy (though literally everyone there is female because it is an eating disorder group), but depending on the therapist, 1-on-1 therapy can be more tailored towards my own views.

For instance, in my group therapy, there is a huge emphasis on acting upon feelings. I myself find this disdainful, and my personal therapist (who actually originally was my dietitian) is in love with how I think, and instead of pushing down my throat that feelings are what my life should revolve around, all see does is help me become aware of my feelings and then allows me to analyze them rationally. For background info, before therapy, I had bad case of thinking that feelings were worthless and simply an obstacle against rational thinking.

So really, I think it depends. If you have mental illness, you probably will need therapy regardless if you're RP. But, therapists are not gods. They're not always right, and every single one is different. So really, the onus is on the patient to make of it as they will.

EDIT: Also, the first time I tried therapy was when I was 17, for depression. At least, in my 17-year-old mind, the two therapists I had were fucking idiots, so I stopped going and wrote off therapy as worthless for a while. These were pediatric therapists though, so I don't know if that made a difference as I didn't return until I was 19.

jax006 · 2019-01-06T16:52:35+00:00

I've never tried it, but I guess I'm skeptical about how much I personally would benefit. I don't think I would take the therapists advice/direction with anything more than a grain of salt.

Maybe there are kinds of therapy that are more meditative - I find meditation type activities especially involving exercise are like infinitely more effective than anything else I do.

I've always been curious to try therapy but I have an High deductible health insurance plan w/ an HSA and so don't really want to spend the money on it right now.

exit_sandman · 2019-01-07T14:53:30+00:00

As with all the things that deal with your inner self, it all depends on how receptive (also voluntarily receptive) you are: if you think it won't help you, odds are that this will also exactly be what happens, if you are open on the other hand, it may actually help.

That said, what I am seeing all too often (especially at /r/relationship) is the suggestion to go to therapy when the problem is in the mind of the observer not the subject. Like "oh, you don't like your girlfriend having been a slut? go to therapy and work on it then, because the only valid option is you stick to her even if you recoil at the thought".

Xemnas81 · 2019-01-06T17:21:08+00:00

Not good for anything to do with gender politics, some of my NHS notes have 'suffers toxic masculinity' written on them.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-01-06T17:10:01+00:00

the idea of talking to a psychology major about anything makes me laugh. that would be like letting an education major near a child lol. no ty

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VAOTOMARNOCU · 2019-01-06T16:51:38+00:00

I have done it, but it didn't help me at all. Literally everything the therapist told me, I either already knew or was factually incorrect

crumblesnatch · 2019-01-06T17:49:16+00:00

I get the impression that a lot of RP guys think talk therapy is "for girls" or some kind of "leftist brainwashing" in disguise, so I imagine it would not be very helpful. While CBT and DBT have a lot of research backing them up as effective treatments, they don't work if you don't "trust the process" or do the homework that goes with it. Compounding this, a lot of people's main exposure to therapy is via high school or college resources, which are not particularly well-trained or specialized because they are serving a hugely diverse population on a short-term basis.

Basically, if you have an issue that can be improved by changing your mindset, talk therapy can be helpful. For example, learning to set realistic goals for yourself/others, or managing situational anxiety, or learning to recognize harmful thought cycles and redirecting. It's also helpful for people in difficult situations who just need to vent/complain until they get through it; support groups are "talk therapy".

But for anything more complicated, it can definitely feel patronizing and useless. I ended up in a lot of talk therapy because young girls with autism/ADHD often present like generalized anxiety, so I didn't get any amphetamines until my twenties and had to make do with therapists trying to teach me to chill. I not-chilled myself right into hospital where a guy with a proper medical degree was like, "huh, restrictive anorexic with number obsession and no body dysmorphia? Lots of autism in those," and referred me for assessment.

My experiences with individual therapists varied a lot. I saw a lady for a few sessions who was very sweet and soft-voiced and empathetic... but she thought I needed to "process" certain past experiences and would constantly bring up my worst moments out of nowhere, like, "Well, I'm glad you had a good weekend. So how about we talk about your dog dying some more?" Ugh, nope. My best therapist experience was with this ancient, stern Sri Lankan man who figured I wasn't going to stop making charts about my body metrics, so at least I should start charting healthy things... and thus a fitness nerd was born. I saw him for a year and still practice a lot of the habits he helped me to cultivate, more than six years later.

I don't know if it's a coincidence that most of my good experiences were with male therapists. My mother has a career in social work, and she's definitely of the "type" that gravitates to it, so a lot of female therapists I saw had her demeanour and approach. Which is great in my mum, but like, no. Male therapists, from my anecdotal experience, were more willing to engage in something more like "collaborative problem solving" instead of talk therapy; less venting, more actionable lists.

Willow-girl · 2019-01-06T19:57:51+00:00

The one visit I had with a psychologist at age 14 was not encouraging. After asking me a lot of questions about my then-nonexistent sex life and listening for a short while to my concerns, he told me I'd be OK if I stopped thinking so much, and I was sent on my way.

In general I'd be suspicious of any relationship in which you pay someone to listen to you, as they have a financial interest in keeping you coming back, and I don't see how that wouldn't corrupt the message.

OTOH, I found AA to be very helpful, because those people will call you on your B.S. in a heartbeat! They have nothing to lose.

abaxeron · 2019-01-07T01:50:14+00:00

Too expensive; questionable efficiency; most talk therapy psychologists are women with very narrow ability to work outside of gynocentric framework.

[deleted] · 2019-01-06T19:22:51+00:00

CBT is very good for various reasons, especially with an equally Red-Pill minded (not a r/TheRedPill jackass) male psychotherapist.

Title	What does RP think about psychological therapy?
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Date	January 6, 2019 4:38 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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