LTR admits to lies and secrets

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Protocol_Apollo · 2022-12-12T13:02:57+00:00

Lie #1: She was talking to a guy right before she met me. She told me about him shortly after we met. I asked if they ever did anything. Wouldn’t even be a big deal if they had. I was just curious.

Women are never truly single. There’s always a guy in the picture. Is what it is.

She said “Ew no. Nothing.” Turns out she gave him head. After I pressed for more information, she admitted that they did indeed have sex. “Not for that long though. Like 20 seconds. I was on my period so I stopped him”.

Trickle truth.

Goes from nothing> just head> sex for “20 seconds” > full blown out sex > multiple sessions.

After she revealed she gave head, you should have written it off as “yeh they fucked” in your head.

Told me her body count was 3 before we met. Add it to the list.

My brother in Christ. You know 3 is the number sluts choose to hide their past? Every hoe who wants to deceive will say 3. Never more, never less. Typically they break it down to their highschool bf, college bf and post graduation bf.

Lie#2: Turns out she send nudes to a guy for money before. This one threw me for a loop. She says she had the wrong friends and she allowed them to influence her. Says she felt disgusted and regretted it immediately.

Do you honestly think this is the type of girl to have an n count of 3? Something birds something flock together.

Lie#3: Early in our relationship. We had a rocky start. There was a guy asking for her Snapchat so that she could help him study. Supposedly she said “no I have a bf” he didn’t gaf and said “it’s just to study.”… He kept pestering over and over and she gave in. But “didn’t add him back.” She showed me how his name is still in the “wants to be friends” list. I know of the guy. That was his name; however, loyal chicks don’t even give away contact information at all.

She’s a hoe. Hoes, at the first sign of trouble, start entertaining new guys. It’s almost like a reflex.

Her gay male friend accused her of flirting.

Lmao, you know it’s kinda bad when even the gay guy starts protesting against his girl best friend.

She told me she lied to me because she was afraid I would leave her.

This is where you went wrong. If you come from the frame of interrogation or a judgemental frame, you’re begging her to lie for your approval.

You’re basically telling her, “here are my buttons, press these for reward”.

You have to use some Akido to famoose this kind of info. You can’t be so direct and say “so how many guys have you fucked”. That’s how you get answers like “only 3”.

How long did you vet her for? How long did it take before you gave her commitment?

PepinoSF · 2022-12-12T13:48:33+00:00

Im amazed how alfa male wannabe, lifting 6days a week, owning a business can be such a pussy. Why do you ever bother to ask for a bodycount?

We just kissed. Only the head went in, not the shaft. We banged, but i didnt like it, thats why doesnt count. That's the answers you deserve and you got them

Now on the point - you have an ordinary slut, what 90% of the females are nowadays. So either accept the fact and move on or cry out an ocean, drop it and move on. She simply smelled your insecurity and immaturity and tried out the cheapest tricks possiblee.

red__Man · 2022-12-12T11:38:39+00:00

[REPOST] Girls prefer serial monogamy. That's why they replaced "marriage" (with mates selected by her father) with "LTR" (with mates selected by her), solely serving female needs.

LTR is a covert contract for male commitment with an easy escape route for female hypergamy.

Her option to end the turn at any time is neatly combined with him being locked in with her exclusively, restricting his sexual access to other girls.

LTR is about fully employing the female sexual strategy while restricting the male sexual strategy. You fell into that trap.

rombios · 2022-12-12T22:07:56+00:00

You have a business worth 500k and you are a software engineer. She's looking for a retirement plan, avoid at all costs

EvidencePlz · 2022-12-12T11:11:40+00:00

She belongs to the plates bro

JoJoHippiegirl · 2022-12-12T13:57:25+00:00

Oh no! This is just really sad. I hope you move on & find someone who has a stronger character. Lies are always a deal breaker for me.

jayi05 · 2022-12-12T16:52:35+00:00

This is what youve found out. You dont know what she hasnt admitted. Listen to your gut

ahg1008 · 2022-12-13T09:26:44+00:00

Heres a simple solution. Stop with the LTR bullshit. Tell yourself this is a co-living situation. All women at some point act like that. Work on yourself and be content. Don’t at all care if she’s fucked10 million dicks.. just be in the moment.. if it lasts it lasts or the whole arrangement dies.. be haapy and content with yourself.. If you overthink shit.. you’ll waste your life. Don’t marry. Don’t waste time thinking about hoes. They are just that - Hoes!

You don’t think about the 64 poisonous snakes that could kill you if you go hiking right? So just enjoy the hike.

What’s mostly hurting is your ego. You don’t own hoes and they don’t own you.. just a truckload of ego on both sides that tells you otherwise.

And for fucks sake - get side pussy ! This will cut out the overthinking crap and all other shit that’ll put you in a grave quite literally!

And be warned she got you.. she’s pimping you hard.. turn the tables.. either she accepts n stay or goes away.

Internal-Brother · 2022-12-12T10:56:50+00:00

She's clearly not even friends with benefits material bro. Either just plate her or ghost her. Fuck someone else. Your peace of mind has been grabbed by the balls by this hoe and now your own balls as well.

Wake the fuck up. Realize that she's a hoe, and find someone new. As simple as that sounds - the first step is the easiest, which is to cut all contact.

Read the sidebar and other posts. She's not a unicorn, no one is. AWALT. Remember that and it will save you time and help you expect less.

You added background information that doesn't fucking matter that much. So what if she belongs to a two parent household or is the queen of England.

The issue is that you care so much about this one insignificant hoe. This won't even matter in the next few days or months because you will just talk to other girls and get laid.

You're acting like she's the only pussy in the world man. You think women are scarce? There's a lot of fucking pussy in the world my friend. There's an abundance of people - men and women alike.

You gotta have an abundance mentality. You gotta stop investing too much in any sort of people - men and women alike, and invest more on yourself.

All you're doing is giving yourself stress and extra cortisol you masochist.

Edit: grammar, punctuation, and extra information.

SalporinRP · 2022-12-12T15:23:38+00:00

I know I fucked up on this one.

Welp, you know what you should do - question is are you man enough to stick to your guns and do it?

Liar, bad friends (chicks like that are the same type of chicks to encourage your GF to go suck dick at a bachelorette party, etc.), and hoe behavior.

Now who knows - maybe there is a chance she gets her act together and is the perfect GF/wife. Stranger things have happened.

But I think deep down you know that if you don't rip the bandaid off now, you're gonna get burned down the line.

The breakup will suck - most men have it worse off because they intrinsically know they have to work harder to find another partner compared to their ex.

Wanting an LTR/life partner is fine - but why not just try to find a better candidate to begin with?

PillUpAss · 2022-12-12T12:51:46+00:00

The red flag is your monogamy, not her.

yaboyebeatz · 2022-12-12T22:23:39+00:00

OP, don’t ever be insecure while trying to play it off as you simply not giving a fuck. You gave a fuck and it back fired, learn your lesson and don’t make the same mistake twice.

Been a while since I’ve seen a bunch of great replies. Good job fellas

Andgelyo · 2022-12-12T12:20:41+00:00

OP please re-evaluate you staying with this chick. The biggest red flag is that she lied to you. If she is capable of lying, she is capable of cheating on you.

Imo she is more so plate/fwb material, but based on the information you told me I would not commit to her.

0ctaviusRex · 2022-12-12T12:51:11+00:00

That’s just some basic girl stuff dude, relax. If you are looking for a Christian virgin, you should ditch her tho. You won’t find a girl with less than 3 body count, no lies ever and a clean phone these days. However, be cautious and don’t further commit. Maybe draw away attention for a while. And remember, awalt

buried_alive0 · 2022-12-12T12:05:37+00:00

To me these are all major red flags. She lied about a guy she's had sex with, she sent naked pictures of herself (that's OF whore behavior) and she accepts male attention from others. She could very well be telling trickles truths to you.

Commercial-Pair-3593 · 2022-12-12T14:09:18+00:00

Lying is a pretty big deal. But lying so you don't get to make choices and stay with her is actually manipulation and even worse.

_do_not_read_this_ · 2022-12-12T21:59:17+00:00

Just assume they're lying and act accordingly.

That-Potential-5684 · 2022-12-12T12:30:55+00:00

Self defence mechanism. You pushed forward for a full disclosure and received more lies. The truth is most likely they had a fantastic hours long sex and now she lies to you bc now "you make her feel bad about it asking". Isn't it better to assume she had sex with the guy in the first place and not try to get the details? It was before you got together, women have sex, look what she does not what she says. I see no biggie here.
This is a red flag. Again she can say whatever, you look at what she does. Women absolutely detest responsibility, therefore she will blame her friends for her own mistakes.
This one is a potential red flag. She wasn't sure about you and kept a back up guy just in case. However he may also have been a beta emotional tampon to release the "rocky start" feels. If she is still in contact with the guy on a regular basis I'd say red flag, if he's out just laugh it off. If she says they're not in contact and you find out it's a lie, run.

No-Ideal-5317 · 2022-12-13T02:09:10+00:00

Bro what you said in the intro you sound very successful. It blows my mind a an average plain jane is getting you to care so much. Your Achilles heel is that you're weak in caring too much. Even if she gave heads etf what girl on earth that is of age didn't gave head ? Wtf even the real sweet good girlfriend had previous lovers . You're giving too many fucks. I'd suggest you literally obsess over your career. Day and night find something you're coming from a place of love. Don't play football because it's what you've been doing or wha is conventionally consider " manly " which BS pick up mma (fighting is the real manly thing to do) rock climbing.

The male pyche is a bitch when it doesn't have a mission or burning passion that you sometimes forget to shower for days because you're obsessed from a place of passion and not to fit in, "ego competiting...etc The male pyche is a simp if you're not on that type of hunt. You will see yourself simping or carrying lame ass shit like what the fuck this girl is doing or the head she gave ..etc who the fuck cares She is fucking u right ? And swallowing your cum like a good girl right and calling you daddy !? The good if not next.

My point is your ability to give fucks is not going towards what serving you you have so much left over fucks to give and meaningless things don't deserve ur attention n care let alone a woman.

If you're feeling like you're turned off good be honest without self ans give yourself and her a favor move on. Pour all your fucks to your self you shouldn't have any left overs.

Street_Fuel_7751 · 2022-12-12T11:10:51+00:00

First of all, how long is your LTR if you are now sitting down to have a serious talk about your future?

So anybody is going to lie right? We are humans. She came clean about everything (possibly everything). She still sounds better than 99% of women in america right now.

You sat her down and had a serious talk about your future together, and she told you a few things you didn't know. I would honestly see that as a good sign. She sees it's getting serious and wanted to get this stuff out of the way.

Hestinho · 2022-12-12T12:08:42+00:00

Honestly never been in an LTR. However, I feel like most girls between the ages of 18 and 25 harbour a lot of secrets that would turn most guys off. You can either choose to see it as a positive or a negative because personally, I wouldn't wanna know that shit but you could also see it as that she's willing to be honest because you're important to her or as a negative because you can find someone better that wouldn't resort to these actions. Also the 2nd one I'm a bit sceptical about but overall, it's your choice to make but if you're sat on the fence, you should really just get off it as soon as possible. Whichever way you choose.

hiktaka · 2022-12-12T12:05:19+00:00

A "rocky" start is a big BIG red flag that she's not a worthy LTR material. Ever.

Plus she was bringing another guy in your courtship phase? That's two.

Where did you first time met her?

Rivelino is the best guy if you're looking for a fulfilling and healthy relationship. Check his twitter. You must find a good, feminine girl worthy an LTR first before applying any red pill/game to her.

TRPSenpai · 2022-12-12T11:13:54+00:00

To be honest, there is no red flag in any of this behavior. She's young, likes attention and is conventionally attractive she's gonna have options.

Most women and even men lie, if not to you... to themselves.

When I'm dating someone who is NOT merely a plate, I give what you can call "Hoe amnesty", we on a clean slate, tell me the truth. If I find some behavior unbecoming of my personal tastes and values... I let her know.

If she decides to lie or continue that unbecoming behavior that I find distasteful that's when she gets plated again.

SoulRebel99 · 2022-12-12T21:51:38+00:00

Soft next, let work and other obligations take over. If she asks, progress to physical and some intimacy, but slowly pull away, have her chase, until she gives an ultimatum or pressures you, you won't own her soul. If she's at her wits end trying to get your attention in a pleasing manner, tell her you appreciate her effort, its just been difficult with everything your involved in, plus her lies make things uncomfortable even tho your "trying."

Exercise other sexual options if necessary while maintaining an awareness of her comings and goings. Behave like the high value man you are, and let her worry about losing you. Have a list of things she must do if you want her to stay in your life, sexual, or other etc. Good luck baller

Pastakingfifth · 2022-12-12T11:44:32+00:00

None of these sound like crazy red flags. How is she behaving now? Remember that red flags are supposed to be an indication of future behavior, not dealbreakers in and of themselves(although you're totally fine to break up for them that's up to you but not really justified.)

Don_Draper27 · 2022-12-12T21:16:36+00:00

Honestly, if your gut isn’t in it then you should cut ties with it.

“LtR cAUGhT lYiNg!”

Reading like a god damn click bait YouTube video.

Like, please try and prove me wrong, but EVERY single girl who turns 18 by now has baggage and a double digit body count already. And that’s as early as you can legally start fucking them.

Idk I’ve been on TRP since like 2014 and with my experience through the years with LTR’s and plating, I’ve found that I’m pretty satisfied and content with spending time with a chick who’s not 1. Fucked up from a previous sexual assault or molestation experience, or 2. Taking a bunch of prescription drugs for anxiety and depression.

I was pillow talking with a chick last night and she got a little serious and opened up about how the worst experience she’s had with an ex is when he grabbed her arm during an argument and she broke up with him after she saw the bruise on her arm. In my head I was like, “yooo, you’re a god damn flower. That’s so damn mild compared to some of the fucked up shit that’s been shared with me in bed.”

So, idk. Maybe I just attract the crazy ones. But my point is, every girl is gonna be imperfect. AWALT. What REALLY matters is what your gut says and feels about her. So whether she’s had her arm bruised that one time in college, or her step brother molested her for years, it’s really all about if your gut will let it slide cause AWALT, or if your gut is screaming, “yooo, GTFO!!”

West-Ad-9697 · 2022-12-13T06:41:42+00:00

She told me she lied to me because she was afraid I would leave her.

Seems like she was right. In a world that fucks - you are the exception for being wierded out by fucking.

Turns out she send nudes to a guy for money before.

If this is a hard limit for you - you need to start dating 10 y/o, maybe 15 y/os from north koreea.

loyal chicks don’t even give away contact information at all

No, loyal chicks have an exciting man that pushes her buttons day in and day out, and when they aren't engaged with him, her hamster spins fantasies about him. It's not a rational decision to be faithful, it's a instinct. Why would you ever reach out for a greesy dubious burger if you get the full course at home?

Listen mate - there's only one rule. Does she respect you. Does she follow your lead and is giddy when you get close? Is your relationship on the straight and narrow line of a polarized man to woman dynamic.

If it is, she is a as good as the magical virgin in your hands. If it isn't - you don't need her history to know it's gonna be a bumpy road.

The theory behind "virgins make better partners" is conditioned with the caveat: "...for men that are exciting and good captains of the ship." If you are this insecure - not even virgins will stick. She might want to - but you will still feel threatened by the fact that she can see a cock on the hub and dream of what it could be like to feel a 8 incher.

Get the experience required to know that what you bring is good enough for some women. THen go after women for whom your "good enough" is an upgrade. Trust nature to do the rest.

Xexitar · 2022-12-12T19:27:54+00:00

How have you fucked up exactly? You're young, on the road to being rich, probably richer than 95% of people already, and you dodged a red flag factory before kids, marriage or other entanglements.

Only fuck up is posting this here. Seems like the kinda shit for a diary, not Reddit.

MedicalOkami1914 · 2022-12-12T20:43:22+00:00

"Pull de levah, Cronk" banish her back to the street realms

rohit969 · 2022-12-15T13:52:42+00:00

Let me give you some brief summary which i learned from Todd V and which is completely True .

Absolute Value - Value in terms of money , property , resources , etc .

Relative Value - Your Social Value , Game

So ill give you 4 categories and you have to decide in which you fall in .

1) Low Absolute value and High relative Value - These are the people who will get laid with lot of women but they wont be able to keep these women , these people have a very high level of game but no absolute value , usually the woman is going to think that she acted out of character and then leave this type of person .

2) Low Absolute and Low relative Value - These type of people dont get laid and you dont want to be in this category and if you are then you got a lot of work to do on yourself ( i fall in this one :P )

3) High Absolute and Low Relative Value - These type of people are extremely resourceful and will usually end up in a monogamous type of relationship or become a serial monogamist and their women wont share them or wont be open to sharing them .

4) High Absolute and High Relative value - These type of people are extremely resourceful and have a very high / good level of game . Usually women of these type of men will be much more open to sharing them like threesomes , orgys , etc .

Some great guy said " In the end , we all get what we want, but not everyone is happy after that " .

Ill give some of my insights to you in my next comment of this post .

gorilla_blanco · 2022-12-12T23:37:04+00:00

I think she's honest to god trying her best but she doesn't wanna be truth with you there was a lot of 304 in her and a lot more 304 left she's capable of the moment she waivers.

NeverLace · 2022-12-12T15:13:53+00:00

Big deal. You seem to be doing well for yourself. Demote and move on.

videogames_ · 2022-12-12T13:21:48+00:00

2 is a dealbreaker for a lot of men and that comes down to preference. 1 and 3 is the bigger red flag because she lied both times with 1 being the worst. A lay count of 3-4 is okay but her lying is not.

Tylerjjs · 2022-12-13T05:09:06+00:00

lmfao if you’re serious and you didn’t expect her to be talking to a dude up until she got with you you’re either a nerd or larping. I’m the same age and i’m apparently a bum compared to you in wealth and I slay. Girls practically beg me to be with them. it’s annoying.

I guess why I decided to reply is why do you care bro? And why do you even believe anything these women say to you? You proved she lies that means she’s been lying to you the entire time.

MrBowick · 2022-12-12T20:31:52+00:00

You’re too young, no alpha here

A real man understands there’s always a past, don’t even ask about it, who gives a shit. If you can’t find out enough about them through everyday communication and shit tests, you aren’t ready for a long term relationship. Just break up and move on to the next, learn what you can from each experience and enjoy the journey.

PiperBigBell · 2022-12-12T21:03:24+00:00

You act high and mighty, but not once did I hear you say anything about whether or not you had a program for her, whether or not you were a good leader and she a good follower, whether or not you had a plan for the future regarding her for her to even be your gf, what the purpose of your relationship was and what you both wanted to get out of it, nothing. Just . . . Bitch lied about what she knew you'd get angry about because you're the type of dude who deserves lying to. Then, then you lie about how things are cool when you know it's not. What else have you lied to her about besides that? How many other beliefs and/or expectations did you have that she never knew about directly? I'm not trying to bash you, but you need to look at the man in the mirror.

TRP_Spooge · 2022-12-12T23:26:11+00:00

listen to your gut and GTFO ASAP!!! same thing happened to me and i made the mistake of staying, its only downhill from here brother. good luck.

youngfuture7 · 2022-12-12T17:03:17+00:00

So after 1.5yrs into the LTR you discover the deeper secrets? Why not earlier

Smallheadbighead · 2022-12-12T20:09:51+00:00

War red flags to the Chinese Communist parade. If you stay with her, it's just gonna be more lies and secrets that she's gonna tell you and it's gonna hurt even more so unless you're a complete cuck, dump her hoe ass.

cat_magnet · 2022-12-12T20:02:58+00:00

You're doing well. The easiest way to slow your progress or even derail it is getting involved with low quality females.

coming2grips · 2022-12-13T07:59:30+00:00

It might just be that she has shifted to a new vision of her life and the new paradigm includes less admin on what she wants to be true vs what she has done.

IMHO you can never trust them to be true, only for them to be true to themselves

MOSFETBJT · 2022-12-12T22:41:29+00:00

Lol #2 means she is at most FWB material. Never ever ever ever get with a woman who does that seriously

LeTimJames · 2022-12-12T17:49:59+00:00

For someone who seemingly has their shit together, you seem immature and insecure as fuck... she fucked three or 4 guys before she met you and you are being a baby about it? Did she steal your virginity? No. Then stop being a judgemental d bag.

steady_spiff · 2022-12-15T07:09:30+00:00

Hahaha bro this is a troll? Talked to a dude before you started dating? A body count under 5? Flirted with someone before? What is the problem?

qunamax · 2022-12-15T20:04:48+00:00

So in conclusion, she's a female.

BlocknGhost · 2022-12-16T04:55:42+00:00

Break it off and find better things to occupy your time and energy with, make her a side chick if you wish

pappo4ever · 2022-12-17T22:00:57+00:00

Her gay male friend

This is the red flag. The other stuff is harmless, all girls do that. They are all sluts, I don't know what did you expect, that she didn't had any sex before you? single girls are the ones the get the most sex.

So she had only 3, but one of those 3 was just before you starting dating. You know this don't add up. It's likely close to 30.

Title	LTR admits to lies and secrets
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Date	December 12, 2022 10:44 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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