Why is this working?

redpillschool · 2013-12-24T19:10:23+00:00

Ask yourself who enforces these things to be true? If you had your way, things wouldn't be this way, would they? Yet somebody demands you adapt this behavior. Who is that somebody?

They have got you so well trained to be blue pilll, that you actually feel guilt when you embrace reality and do what gets rewarded. Think about that for a second. You found something that works, and your first gut instinct is to feel guilt.

Think about why you feel that. Then let anger take the place of guilt. And then soon, acceptance.

Demonspawn · 2013-12-24T18:35:52+00:00

All we promised was the truth. No more, no less.

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phaseonx11 · 2013-12-24T18:47:06+00:00

You're in a transition period between the you fueled by societal bullshit you've been fed about women and the you fueled by the harsh realities of trp.

You feel bad because your entire life, you've been taught that acting this way is improper. It will pass, just don't revert to your former behavioral patterns.

Work on yourself to solve the incongruence. Get lifting. Eat healthy. For emotional fragility and all around better situation handling abilities, look into stoicism.

RockinRhombus · 2013-12-24T18:37:32+00:00

I know exactly how you feel. It's how I imagine encountering a sociopath would be. No real feeling, just cold calculation.

j0hnan0n · 2013-12-24T19:17:56+00:00

What you're experiencing is the conflict between the bullshit you've been fed your entire life and the reality of the world we live in.

"Why do my eyes hurt?" "Because you've never used them before. Rest, Neo. The answers are coming."

Phaseonx11 has it right.

There are no contradictions. If you think you've found one, check your premises, and you'll find that one of them is wrong.

ATBlanchard · 2013-12-24T19:39:46+00:00

It's not about disrespecting women, it's about not kissing their asses. Blue pill says that you need to treat girls like angels to get something from them. Treat them like normal people, call them on their bullshit, etc. and she will be fascinated with you.

captshady · 2013-12-24T20:17:25+00:00

I don't insult women, ever. I make myself responsible for my own happiness, and don't rely on a women to be a part of it. I enjoy being sociable, and not having a relationship or sex factor into how I view myself, or interact with others. I don't bend over backwards to make a woman happy, and I damned sure don't inconvenience myself to do something for someone I hardly know.

I treat all people with respect, unless they're not worthy of it (whatever the attitude, so is the response). I'll start up a conversation with any person, anywhere, and let the chips fall where they may. But "I have personally found that ... women do respond".

You can game with asshole game, and it will work, often. That doesn't mean you have to. Find a middle ground that you're happy with. But that middle ground doesn't mean you should lose yourself, ever.

Marsupian · 2013-12-24T20:26:02+00:00

As a woman would you be attracted to a guy who is afraid to talk to you and/or feels he is worth less than you are? Would you be attracted to a guy who acts like a lap dog?

Most if not all women are attracted to a guy who values himself more than some girl he doesn't know. A guy that is strong, unafraid, knows what he wants and goes out to get it.

By being insulting and direct you show that you are not afraid and value yourself higher than her. Its not the only way to do this but it does work.

Brobody · 2013-12-24T21:51:47+00:00

When I first started college there was a hottie who took interest in me after I got deemed an asshole in class for calling people out on the dumb shit they said.

She started following me after class and talking to me. After she realized I was actually an extremely nice person, she never spoke to me again.

[deleted] · 2013-12-24T22:21:46+00:00

It bothers you because the truth about female desire was hidden from you. Once you accept it for what it is there won't be any emotional reaction to seeing RP truth play out in front of you.

PlanB_pedofile · 2013-12-24T20:34:51+00:00

This is why this is a bitter pill.

Reality is bitter.

Clauderoughly · 2013-12-24T20:46:55+00:00

You still have pussy on a pedestal.

It is natural to go through the loathing And anger stage, because your lifetime view of women has been completely shattered.

You now have to completely rebuild that view.

Change is hard and scary... and feels really really weird, but it will be better for you in the long run

Zackcid · 2013-12-24T21:40:46+00:00

Sexual strategy is immoral. You think our caveman ancestors gave a shit about returning a girl's call?

These 'bad' feelings you're feeling come from social conditioning (i.e. the residue of chivalry era). Once you snap out of it and realize that you live your life the way you want to, rather the way that society dictates you should, you will be in bliss. It's about your own happiness at the end of the day.

And if it still hurts you, just remind yourself of the way these same hot girls used to treat you before this self-improvement. The way Betas are practically invisible to most women, etc.

jobs33ker · 2013-12-25T01:19:57+00:00

cognitive dissonance? why is it hard for you to swallow the pill. yet I would venture to guess you had no trouble accepting white knight "truths" like the patriarchy exists, or that feminism is gospel. I'm sure you swallowed those pills like a beta lapdog. You have seen for yourself the way women treat their orbiters, or in their words "friends". So why would it make you upset, when in reality you SHOULD be upset at those who pulled the wool over your eyes your entire life. But nay, you have been conditioned to the point where you feel guilty for making nature work in your favor. Just chew on that for a moment...that should illuminate just how deeply engrained and how downright evil the bluepiller way of thinking is.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2013-12-24T23:50:21+00:00

I feel bad about being mean or dismissive towards woman

I don't think I've ever been mean. You shouldn't be mean either.

Why is this working?

The easy answer is that if a woman has children with a man who can be taken advantage of, then her male children will have the same instincts as the father, and they too will be more likely to be taken advantage of.

Therefore, among your ancestors, women who preferred males that could not be taken advantage of have left more and healthier offspring. They have passed the instinct to prefer similar males down to the women you meet today.

And "doesn't give a shit about her" is a good proxy for "cannot be taken advantage of by her."

I hope that answers your question. That's why it works. Still doesn't mean you need to be mean.

[deleted] · 2013-12-24T20:36:25+00:00

You need to understand and accept that women are insane. Once you do your guilt will probably go away.

nechoha · 2013-12-24T19:12:24+00:00

Everyone loves a challenge. We all want something we can't get. By being disinterested in your lady friends, they aren't receiving the attention that they normally expect from someone that they are spending time with. They want your attention, and so they start trying to get your attention by whatever means that they think of using.

I'm still transitioning into TRP mindset, but that seems to be an underlying strategy that isn't normally expressed.

If someone with more theory and/or understanding wishes to correct me, then please help myself and op out.

Petrarch1603 · 2013-12-24T21:57:24+00:00

This is the kind of realization that the red pill is all about. You're realizing that all you've been told is a facade.

da-way · 2013-12-25T02:57:32+00:00

You are a product of your environment. Had you been born and raised on the savanna 20k BC these things would have been self evident, but alas you are an internet surfer in the 2k AD.

TRP worked for me but now I feel bad.

Society (what ever that means) has told you that women = special little flowers and you believe that (if only due to lack of a counter point). That this works is the nature part of the nature/nurture equation kicking in (3rd wave feminists HATE with a bloooooody vengeance the slightest mention of "nature > nurture" and since they have been wrong about most everything else you can take from that what you will, but i digress as this is not meant to be a MRA circle-jerk). So to suggest an answer as to why you feel bad: it is because TRP working is counter to everything you have been taught (and believed) up to this point.

Is there any way to resolve this disconnect

Educate your self on the nature part of the nature/nurture dynamic and for that you have come to the right place (Sidebar, blogs, TRP, etc.).

The_CEO_of_Beta · 2013-12-25T06:55:14+00:00

When I first stumbled upon TRP I didn't believe it'd work but I was out of options so I said fuck it, "for science", or whatever kids say.

The difference in how you get treated by girls pre-TRP and post-TRP is day and night.

Pre-TRP I used to play taxi for a girl (Veronica). I acted supplicating, saying stuff to her like "Hey it's alright I'm here whenever you need me. I'll always have time for you, just call me up and I'll be there in a jiffy." Things started respectful between us before I said those things, but soon she started having zero respect for me. The more nicer and respectful I acted towards her the more of a bitch she became. It got bad enough that when I had to go pick her up she no longer waited at the curb but made me always look for parking (IN THE CITY) and go in after her. It wasn't long until her respect for me hit rock bottom. She would have me chauffeur her to other guy's houses for her to bang the shit out of them and have me wait in the car.

Post-TRP I still had to play taxi but for another girl (Jessica). This time, things were different. The entire ride I would make snide remarks about her. When she would try to tell me where to go I would snap at her and say, "Fuck your directions, I'm driving and I go where I want to go." She would ask to stop for drinks and I would say, "Fine but you better get me a good drink. If it's a shitty drink I'm just leaving you here." Each time I would make fun of her and treat her like shit but the results were very surprising to me. She started giving me a shit load of respect, paying for everything (gas, food, drinks), giving me gifts, making sure I was happy and thanking the shit out of me every time I drove her. She still gives me gifts to this day even though I don't drive her anymore. I would never have fathomed even with a million years of living that by treating girls like this, they treat you better in return. By treating them well, they treat you like shit in return.

It goes against everything I have ever learned. I want to believe that there's another reason so that it makes sense but I can't deny empirical evidence. One would say, "What if Veronica is just a bitch and Jessica is a nice girl?", but I know these girls. I would watch as Veronica would melt and turn into butter as she gets treated like shit by other men, men who did the same thing to her as I did with Jessica. She would go all out, work her hardest, wear her nicest clothes, and do everything she can to please these men but when she interacts with me she wouldn't even bother chatting, just goes on her phone and keeps ignoring me as I try to make lighthearted jokes or do nice things for her. It's not just her being a bitch, it's me failing as a blue pill man that didn't know any better.

Reminds me of that saying: "If men are pigs, then women are the pig farmers."

[deleted] · 2013-12-25T08:31:33+00:00

They don't give a shit about you. Why should you give one about them? You say you respect them. Why? Respect is earned, not given. And to earn yours , a woman should have to work twice as hard.

MrMathamagician · 2013-12-25T10:12:56+00:00

Women get turned on by confidence the same way men get turned on by big breasts. You're just feeling bad right now for padding your bra.

She's not out of your league she's just a challenge and challenges can be fun.

Turning your question on it's head. Why would a women be interested in a guy who is super polite and nice to her for no reason? 'Huh? There's a guy falling all over himself to buy me a drink just because he thinks I'm pretty? That's nice but what if another pretty woman walks in? He'll just be falling over himself to buy her a drink to! He must be pretty desperate!'

Men like to build things. Things like buildings, machines, castles etc. Women like to build social empires.

Women don't look at attitude/behavior in an absolute sense of good/bad or right/wrong like most men. They look at it as tools in a toolbox to build their social empire. Being really nice to a woman for no reason doesn't mean you are a 'nice guy' it means that you are desperate and probably low value. If you are overly sappy nice then you are telling the woman that she has all the cards and she can treat you like her bitch.

In that case she might 'friend-zone' you and ask you to do things like: help her move, take her to the airport, or even use you as a backup date/boyfriend to make her real boyfriend jealous. But basically she doesn't have to date or sleep with you to get you to do her bidding in her social empire. Why would you make this person your boyfriend when they already do your bidding?

Besides dating a pushover is boring for them. There's no point in wooing someone who is drooling over you already. Women want a guy they can conquer. A guy who is resistant at first but slowly they can draw them in with their feminine wiles. Some people think TRP means acting like a jerk all the time but that's not what women want. Women want a man who displays a full range of emotions towards them. They want a guy who is not interested at first but they can slowly woo from skeptical to interested.

tl;dr - women think jerks are confident and nice guys are desperate

frazzleddd · 2013-12-25T13:17:03+00:00

Regardless of what anyone says on here it is bullshit. The fact that shitting on a woman works better than trying to be nice to her is beyond me. It works and it has been working but I still don't like it. I've actually distanced myself from most women since starting down this path. Good luck OP. Hope you find what you want in this wolrd

virtuosus_ · 2013-12-24T19:02:42+00:00

It works because we all want something we "can't" get.

IM_PRETTY_RACIST · 2013-12-24T20:18:34+00:00

We don't make the rules.

One_Mat_Army · 2013-12-24T21:39:03+00:00

The only reason you are bothered is because you've been brought up to treat woman a different way and expect certain outcomes from that.

Dat_Black_Guy · 2013-12-24T21:45:28+00:00

Dude story - how'd the BJ happen?

_UsUrPeR_ · 2013-12-25T06:00:17+00:00

Nightmare mode: tell her what you actually think of her, champ.

"Thanks for the bj. This was all a game and my persona was an act. All I really wanted was the bj and/or sex. Wanna continue this 'relationship'?"

LaserSoundMusic · 2013-12-25T15:42:37+00:00

It makes perfect sense to me.

Gorgonzola54 · 2013-12-26T10:59:32+00:00

Seriously dude, learn to enjoy it. Ripping on bitches is fun!

FortunateBum · 2013-12-26T22:53:46+00:00

From the sidebar:

Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved.

http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/27/women-in-love/

Women respond only to status. Status is literally your access to resources. You act like you have status, you get sex. It's that simple. Women do not respond to anything else regarding sexual attraction.

CypherBlack · 2013-12-30T03:07:38+00:00

You can actually do these things in a nice way (sort of). Love yourself fully and you'll get it with time

monsieurhire2 · 2014-02-15T18:26:03+00:00

It bothers me that it works too.

watersign · 2013-12-24T21:57:06+00:00

alpha up

nyrp · 2013-12-24T18:33:36+00:00

There are some other recent posts that address that very thing. Anyone know the links?

XxSCRAPOxX · 2013-12-26T18:20:03+00:00

I'm not a legit red pillar but like this sub for the insight. But you don't have to mistreat women to still utilize the knowledge from this sub. As a matter of fact id say mistreating them is not manly at all, IMO it's a mans duty to defend a woman he chooses from harm. This sub I thought was supposed to be about improving yourself to make yourself better or more masculine and to learn to celebrate true masculinity. Idk if taking advantage of women is really the point of all this. If you treat them like crap and they come crawling you can't respect them for who they are. IMO one does not need to shun the beauty of femininity to celebrate masculinity and to not be honest with yourself or your partner about your emotions just because it "seems" unmanly to have then is a betrayal of your true self. To me being a man is being who you truly are regardless of societal expectations and if you don't like mistreating or fooling women into having sex with you, then Just don't. You will find the level of quality in your women increase dramatically as a result.

skimdit · 2013-12-24T21:34:02+00:00

Details please.

Exactly_what_I_think · 2013-12-24T18:30:48+00:00

The ends justifies the means.

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Title	Why is this working?
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Date	December 24, 2013 6:15 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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