Found this little gem.

lorenzo156 · 2021-04-15T18:29:19+00:00

That murder was brutal. Shame she will paint the relationship as abusive and call the respondent an incel for his misogynistic view.

Alarmed_Mechanic_403 · 2021-04-15T18:32:11+00:00

He is spot on. Women are not equipped to handle "male" problems. In fact, whenever you show them that you are losing the plot and are hitting dire straits (as a "friend" or partner, does not matter) they will recoil in disgust.

p_and_q · 2021-04-15T18:42:30+00:00

Honestly I have sympathy (although very minimal) for some of these women. They have men simping for them and calling it friendship so often that they don't recognize what friendship actually looks like, especially male friendship. My guess is when this guy got friendzoned he stopped simping and started treating this woman like a mid-low tier friend.

Loud-Bottle-7879 · 2021-04-15T18:52:20+00:00

She knows exactly what she is doing. The only part that chaps my ass about this kind of stuff is when they act oblivious.

I encountered this in the past. I told the woman to let all her other male “friends” that there is no chance of sex ever and see how many of them want to be your friend still. To her shock, none of them still wanted to be her friend!

A male friend is just someone patiently waiting their turn.

Aldabruzzo · 2021-04-15T19:41:50+00:00

She said:

"I friendzoned a guy because I didn't want anything more than a friendship."

There's friendship, and then there's the friendzone.

The "friendzone" is not "friendship". The friendzone is a fake offer of "friendship", extended to defuse the awkwardness of her telling him she's not sexually interested in him. It also is intended to put the onus back on the man so that no matter what he does, she "wins".

She did not want to be friends with the man she friendzoned. What she wanted to do was to get rid of the awkwardness and bad feelings, and get him to go away and leave her alone. She had no intention of socializing with or having any kind of substantive interactions with him.

afitfox · 2021-04-15T19:44:27+00:00

The first half of this answer is 100% correct. But they lost me at “women don’t really have friends in other women.” This is simply untrue: women can be and are absolutely friends with one another, although not always. The dynamic in female friendships is certainly different than that of male friendships, but can be equally beneficial and genuine in both instances.

bird351167 · 2021-04-15T19:48:15+00:00

Guy had plenty of friends. He was looking for someone to have sex with.

After she said no he put his efforts toward someone else.

brandinho5 · 2021-04-15T20:42:05+00:00

There was this one girl I talked to who kept telling me that I needed to “open up” and “allow (my)self to be loved again”

I was closed off because, sure I’ve been hurt in the past but I genuinely didn’t want a girlfriend or any kind of intimate relationship.

But she wore me down, we went on a date and hooked up. Then a few weeks later she decided that were too “fundamentally different” to be together. This was after several days of acting cold and distant, to which she blamed on school and said everything is great with us.

She still referred to me as her best friend and all that nonsense and then started dating some roided up simpleton (this is the kind of girl who would say things like, “I’m attracted to intelligence.”)

After that I slowly started distancing myself from her, I finally was able to get over her after she played me. She would call me to talk on the phone and I would ignore it more and more to the point where she had to ask why I was being like this and how I’m “supposed to be (her) best friend!”

At that point I was like, bitch, you played me. You wanted a relationship so bad that you convinced me against my better judgement to give it a try. Then you decided, “nah nevermind.”

I told her to go find another sucker and that I was r going to be her gay best friend.

She ended up being one of the best bullets I ever dodged.

GrannyLesbian · 2021-04-15T18:58:15+00:00

I don't understand or ever hung out with men who told me their best friend is a female or they have female friends but never ever fucked anyone of them.

It's fucking weird.

Fuckleberry__Finn · 2021-04-15T19:43:11+00:00

This is what happens when only one of the two sexes are expected to initiate anything. If all men stayed friends with every woman whom he was romantically interested in, every man would have like 10 female friends for every one relationship he gets in.

Who tf wants to maintain that many fucking friendships? That would take so much time and energy

sleepyweaselisawake · 2021-04-15T20:43:13+00:00

The friendzone doesn't exist. Either she's fucking you or she's not. That's it. If you're willing to spend time, money, and effort on someone who isn't reciprocating on any level (because no one is entitled to sex) then it's on you. You can't get mad if you let people take advantage.

The relationship that started me on my RP journey was with a chick, total smoke show, from a small town where she grew up with her orbiters. I show up at her regular bar one night. We start talking, start dating, and start fucking. Eventually, I started to meet her friends who were always happy to see her and made sure she always had a drink. And, at the end of the night when we were both good and tipsy we'd go home and have drunk sex (do not do this unless you're in a committed relationship and have rock solid consent).

Eventually, her friends started getting pissed because she was always with me (not a big drinker) and not with her "friends" drinking. And, one bad break up later, I discovered TRP, and what she was doing was suddenly obvious. She was keeping orbiters for free entertainment. And, dating decent, stable guys like myself for sex and a sense of security.

TL;DR: Men don't red pill men, women do.

MattyK414 · 2021-04-15T18:57:49+00:00

When she "friends" you, it means she thinks that you shouldn't have kids.

JagerJack7 · 2021-04-15T19:34:28+00:00

Fuck. Been through that. Will probably write about that bitch one day

MarquisdeSeda · 2021-04-15T20:03:02+00:00

Well said. Most female friendships are abusive but the rare good authentic female friend are really good.

Also so true about women wanting only guys as friend. It really is sick; you hate on men, blame them for everything, shame them, but somehow rely on them for friendship.

ImCoasting · 2021-04-15T23:43:41+00:00

Why is it that women are so quick to point out that men aren't entitled to sex, but then they think they're entitled to men's resources, attention, time, and assistance?

holymotherofbunnies · 2021-04-15T20:22:07+00:00

So I can't have a male friend because that's "friendzoning" and I can't have a female friend without it being a "frienemy"? I'm genuinely confused. I have male and female friends and so does my boyfriend and no issues have arisen thus far. However, friendships with other women are generally deeper since we relate more and can share in the girly stuff a guy wouldn't care about/understand. I assume male friendships are better for men for the same reason as female friendships are generally better for women.

rzr_cl · 2021-04-15T21:06:27+00:00

Nothing wrong with being upfront and honest; the guy wanted to get laid and some companionship as well, he couldn’t get that from her, so instead of wasting his and her time, he moved on, yet she somehow complains about it.

The audacity of some people.

That-Necessary5568 · 2021-04-15T19:14:13+00:00

give this men a medal

scira · 2021-04-15T21:32:15+00:00

I have a different take on the situation. I think he's still her friend but he's only a friend now. The difference is that before she was getting the girlfriend treatment, and now that he knows that's off the table He's perfectly fine remaining just a friend.

One-Move · 2021-04-15T19:18:43+00:00

Nice, that was a de orbiting burn.

Credible_Cognition · 2021-04-15T22:46:06+00:00

I never got this. The "friend zone" is fine if both parties communicate their intentions from the start. I don't get why people (mostly women) are surprised when a guy proposes more than friends, she rejects him, and he moves on. Why the hell would I want to spend time with someone I'm attracted to who doesn't have the same feelings for me?

OwenWentFullMGTOW · 2021-04-16T01:02:23+00:00

What's rly weird is when you start dating a girl and she introduces you to her friends... the majority of whom are male.

That happened to me once. I started up with a new girl and things were great. Shortly after we started up, we went to a bar to "meet up with some of her friends". And lo and behold, all of them were guys! And none of them were super-talkative to me, or to each other. They each recognized the other as competition and they recognized me was the one who got the prize.

Surprise surprise, most of them stopped speaking to her after that incident.

NoonTimeHoopsMVP · 2021-04-16T13:34:54+00:00

Back in my tragic bluepill days, I was in the friendzone. I texted this girl all the time. I finally made my move. Got shot down with some lame excuse. Said I was third on her list to marry when she hit 30. Finally through the grace of God and common sense, I realized that I was being foolish. I immediately cut all texting/contact. Never received a single text asking "what happened?" or "are you OK?" You know which is something I would do if a friend of mine suddenly ceased daily contact.

They don't want friends. They want orbiters to brag about and to worship them.

kin3tiks · 2021-04-15T19:54:47+00:00

This is so perfectly true

Gloval1 · 2021-04-16T14:31:23+00:00

I see myself in this story and I hate it. I don't mean to be down on myself, just admitting my sin: I was a pathetic little orbiter in my high school years. There was this one girl I was into but never found my balls and asked her out until it was way too late. Since I had a car I was quite valuable to her, taking her off campus for lunch and whatnot. I was also quite useful to her in band as I would intently sit and listen to all of her (in hindsight, super petty and miniscule) problems. I really thought that acting this way was the path to getting a girl. Thanks to my single mom for teaching me such amazing social skills.

Of course this shit led nowhere, and in fact she started dating another guy (who was a total douchebag) in the midst of all this. I still stayed her friend for... some reason. I remember one special moment where my cuckery was in full display, as she was in my car and I got the special gift of watching them kiss through the rolled down window. After they broke up I finally did ask her out and was of course shot down. Shit hurt, but in hindsight it's all good. I later learned she made him wait six months for a kiss, then ended up cheating on him with an even bigger douche.

It's been about 19 years since all this happened, she's now married and she's tried to add me on Facebook a few times. Every time I laugh and immediately delete the request. But goddamn, I wish I had a mentoring male in my life back in these days who would have sat me down and given a speech like that.

SnuSnuClownWorld · 2021-04-16T04:47:52+00:00

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Stahlboden · 2021-04-16T09:53:14+00:00

The trick about the Friendzone thing is that friendship isn't inherently opposed to sex. I don't sleep with my guy friends not because they are friends, I don't sleep with them because I am not sexually attracted to guys.

By friendzoning him you don't say he is good as a friend, you just say that sexually, he is below your consideration.

Captainbuttman · 2021-04-16T13:54:50+00:00

I’m impressed that women can turn rejecting a man around to making it all about themselves.

MurkyDrain · 2021-04-16T23:18:14+00:00

“He did a lot for me” Translates to “I used him to drive me around and borrowed money off him I never intended to pay back. I knew he was interested in me from the start and chose to take advantage of that for my own gain. Eventually I met a Chad and decided I didn’t need Melvin anymore so friendzoned him. Well anyway Chad ditched me and I want my simp back but he doesn’t want anything to do with me”

OwenWentFullMGTOW · 2021-04-16T00:43:25+00:00

Women don't really have friends in other women, they have 'frenemies'. ... Men generally don't have frenemy dynamics which is why male friendship is so much more valuable.

It's so obvious. Yet, I never would've thought to phrase it that way. Women seek male friendship because female friendship is unworthy. Men seek only male friendship for the same reason. A man rly has no reason to just be friends with a woman. But a woman has no reason to start something romantic with a man if he's willing to settle for friendship.

__Gynotarian__ · 2021-04-16T11:59:26+00:00

At the end of the day she's not entitled to give him a chance at dating, and he's not entitled to stay as a friend, acquaintance, or even a guy she knew.

vtec__ · 2021-04-15T21:43:55+00:00

men and women cannot be friends

i_hate_all_you_jerks · 2021-04-16T01:49:23+00:00

She only wanted friendship. He only wanted a relationship. She made her decision and he made his. He accepted her decision and she acc- oops 😬

crazypilgrim · 2021-04-16T08:08:23+00:00

I had a 2 month relationship with someone who was in love, passionately with me, then one day turns round and says, ooops, when I said I love you, I was only trying to see if I could feel it by saying it...etc etc.

Then there was a were better just being friends, can we do that.

But ten I'd steered out of bullshit canyon

2021-04-17T04:43:52+00:00

This used to be me, foolishly thinking if I was nice, paid for stuff, did favors, and validated my female "friends" I would get a LTR someday. lmao completely reversed that. I talk to a few girls here and there, but I don't do favors or grovel like a cuck. If they're interested, they will show interest as well.

SwiftStrik3 · 2021-04-16T06:14:58+00:00

I bet he was the one doing all the work in the friendship. From personal experience women are terrible as friends. Even if you're not interested in fucking them they just don't know how to be friends.

JohnnySkidmarx · 2021-04-17T02:41:39+00:00

One of the many reasons I have never had female friends.

Hardlymd · 2021-04-17T04:39:08+00:00

I want to say that I, as a happily married straight woman, that I’ve actually had a very good and close friendship with a straight male colleague. There was literally no sexual tension in either direction in the friendship. I was/am authentically happily married, and he was a very active dater and sought-after single guy.

This type of friendship has only happened once in my life though, so I guess it is true that it is the exception that proves the rule.

However, our friendship was/is genuine as we were both in the same hyper-specialized and competitive profession and at the same point in that profession. For various reasons, at that time we were also both sort of outside of the normal “clique” in the profession. (It is a high-barrier-to-entry profession, with a doctorate as the starting point, so the experiences within it are hard to relate to unless you’ve been there.)

We’ve lost touch at various points, but when we speak again it’s like no time has passed.

Essentially, like any other old friendship. Neither one of us liked each other in that way or wanted to cross that line, and so it really was a true, platonic friendship in both directions. It may help that I am an INTJ woman, the rarest personality type, and a personality type often associated with men. Anyhoo, just wanted to provide a contrasting experience.

PlaceboKoyote · 2021-04-19T13:20:28+00:00

I hardly disagree with this:

First: Relationships etcs are not transactional. Like i can't do sb favours and expect them to get in a relationship with me for being nice and being friends with her. You can't expect sth in exchange for friendship besides maybe friendship. Like if she isn't interested in him as more than a friend... should she just stop talking to him at all or what?

Second: I just disagree with your statement that men don't want to be friends with women. Men and women can be just friends too, like see it that way: If he has multiple female friends... he might be interested in one but not in all of them, that would be stupid and ridiculous. If he wants more than just friends he can ask, but should be prepared for being rejected, it is just a risk.

You can't really earn a relationship or romantic attraction.

chankletavoladora · 2021-04-15T21:09:04+00:00

This is normal but when a woman breaks it offf cause the man doesn’t want to marry making him look petty and immature then that’s completely different. Everybody has a right to choose. That guy doesn’t want to be friends. He left. Didn’t make a big deal about it. She is. Fuck her.

TheApricotCavalier · 2021-04-16T02:14:43+00:00

Sounds like you lost a good friend. Did he?

IoannisP · 2021-04-16T07:03:15+00:00

lol TL;DR: "WHY ARE MEN SO ENTITLED" despite the fact that a man literally has to put effort into being liked, but suddenly, it's evil for him to be upset that his affections weren't reciprocated.

Traksimuss · 2021-04-16T08:01:13+00:00

I liked this story from ancient times, how women react when beta orbiter grows a spine:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3glvk4/woman_thinks_her_guy_friend_is_being_an_asshole/

redditradishman · 2021-04-18T12:35:20+00:00

It's hilarious how naiive and delusional friendzoned cucks are about their status. Some really think they're "first in line" for when she's single. Brother you're not even last in line.

whytehorse2017 · 2021-04-19T02:10:55+00:00

I don't have any female friends other than my wife. We've been friends for 20 years and married for 15. She's another one of those "exceptions" in that she reciprocated the friendship and we're both exceptions in that we're both attracted to each other and ultimately ended up in an intimate relationship. Our mutual interest was getting married and having kids.

This was a totally different experience from all the women before her. All women wanted to friendzone me and use me for my money, car, drugs, social status, party connections, an extra person at a fundraiser, etc. Fuck those bitches. Ghosted for life. They missed out on a 20+ year friendship with a great guy and the good girl got me. In your face! I make bank, work out, and traipse around with my 100lb hot wife best friend. She'd take a bullet for me and I for her. So take that friendzone bullshit and shove it up your post-wall single mother asses. :) This is what you lost. We didn't wait for you. There's no Prince Charming at the end. No bailout is coming. No growing old together. You get cats and wine.

itsandrewbuck · 2021-04-21T18:59:11+00:00

But there are men who are friends with women who want nothing in return. They're generally all gay though.

AdministrativeFly373 · 2021-04-22T06:35:29+00:00

Victim complex. Shaming the man to get her way. Honestly, just be up front and shoot your shot. If she score, you are solid. However, if she decline you don’t mention who never looking for friendship. Don’t be a fool and go with “we can be friends.” It honestly a waste a time. Female generally make the worst friends, and mostly all give. Don’t be the back up guy

NoonTimeHoopsMVP · 2021-04-16T13:43:59+00:00

Once romantic feelings enter into a friendship, it either becomes a relationship or the friendship dies.

JayMeadows · 2021-04-30T12:05:29+00:00

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deepxyx111 · 2021-09-07T18:43:37+00:00

Facts in summary.

MelkorHimself · 2021-04-15T19:50:16+00:00

It wasn't until my mid 20s when I finally learned how not to get friend-zoned. My strategy is basically to shit test the so-called "friend". Ask her for a small favor when you know she is free. Conversely, if she asks you for something like a ride, tell her you'll do it for gas money.

jayred923 · 2021-04-16T05:47:22+00:00

Ok, but you have to admit that if you are doing something under the guise of a “friend” biding your time in hopes you’ll be in her good graces to be able to get a date. that’s a little disingenuous, no? If feelings develop naturally and you just like don’t wanna be around her anymore cause it sucks to be friends with someone you like I totally get that, I’ve been there before. But if you’re already attracted to her let your intentions be known, and If she’s not interested and let’s you know and then you simp trying to get her to like you that’s all on the dude.

Elshad19 · 2021-04-16T06:50:20+00:00

I have a question, what if she doesn't want any relationship with others? The woman shouldn't have been surprised to what the guy has done, but tbh I don't see any issue other than this. The murder comment sounded like the woman should give a chance to everyone who makes efforts for her.

Unfair-Note-3499 · 2021-04-16T13:18:40+00:00

Hopefully this beginner course of Intersexual Dynamics will resonate with the pre teens on here, gotta get em while they're young👌🏽

2021-04-16T16:33:12+00:00

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One-Move · 2021-04-15T19:22:39+00:00

The only female friends I have could be my mother and I talk with them like they would be my mom. I only met one woman in 51 years who was a great intellectual companion (unfortunately I was married then)

Title	Found this little gem.
Author	JayMeadows
Upvotes	807
Comments	168
Date	April 15, 2021 6:24 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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