Slut-shaming and TRP?

Zaorish9 · 2014-09-02T12:21:53+00:00

It's a divide among TRPers. The more PUA-type guys like sluts because they give lots of sex, the more conservative-type guys hate sluts because slut culture makes every girl slightly more disloyal and a worse option for a wife. As a civilization-oriented TRPer, I lean towards the latter, slut-shaming view.

demilitarizdsm · 2014-09-02T11:46:47+00:00

It could be said that is one of the goals but I don't feel it applies to a majority. If it was the only goal and applied across the board you'd be right. But you have to consider there are goals including self-improvement, family planning, philosophical meaning, the feeling of being part of a community you understand and more.

If we take your focused goal and apply it to a pretend man who only TRPs to score and nothing else... then slut shaming performs a function in which a loud social gesture identifies who he can easily get a lay from if he is not out for a challenge or quality. (A slut) That same function might give a much different TRPer with a different goal, like family planning, and idea of who to avoid in his choice of mate.

nourathrowway · 2014-09-02T12:24:52+00:00

You're thinking of PUA not TRP. TRP goes beyond hookups and applies attraction and gender differences to all inter-gender relationships. LTRs and marriage come up a lot on TRP.

Men don't want to marry or have LTRs with sluts. Most of TRP actually seems frustrated, if anything, that women arent as loyal as (beta) males. TRP yearns for the unicorn worthy of marriage, but generally advises against it due to the risks and the proliference of slut power in the west.

MrEiffel · 2014-09-02T13:21:52+00:00

TRP is not about Slut-shaming at all.

TRP is about the sexual strategy utilised by women and men in our modern society.

Women in 97% of the cases fuck alpha men until they get bored of it/lose their looks due to old age and find a semi-alpha/beta man to marry and have a family.

Men in 5% (make up numbers lol) of the cases are Alpha and enjoy their time fucking women like its a Playboy Disney funpark until they want a family and they pick the best possible woman they can find. The other 95% are Beta and enjoy a life of sexual frustration until they find a woman who can't fuck alpha's anymore so he gets a bad marriage/bad sexlife and an eventual divorce.

A LOT of TRP's come from those 95% and there is a lot of bitterness and hate on these boards (anger phase) since they despise their opportunities in life. TRP simply gives you the tools to move from the 95% to the 5% (or as close as possible you can get).

[deleted] · 2014-09-02T16:09:51+00:00

If one of the goals of most TRPers is to bed as many women as possible

TRP has nothing to do with bedding as many women as possible. It's all about accepting the world as it is and making yourself a better man. That's it. If your focus is score chicks and put notches on your belt then yes, TRP will help with that, but that's a byproduct of the pill not the end-all, be-all of it.

There are plenty of TRPers who have or want to have loving relationships with a woman. Don't buy into the misandry that says that a man who wants to be masculine must be an asshole PUA.

As for the slut shaming, women who have tens of partners just don't make good wives. Statistics and various studies have borne this out. They're not loyal and they're always looking for something better. Not to mention they waste their prime child-bearing years riding the carousel rather than having happy, healthy, loved children with a good man, then do nothing but complain because they need hormone treatments and "gestational carrier" (eg, living incubators) because their eggs and uterus are all dried up and useless.

M3_Drifter · 2014-09-02T12:12:30+00:00

The goal of this place is self-improvement. Since women in general like men who are higher status (be it power, money, muscles, etc.), one possible consequence of self-improvement can be that more women are attracted to you. Therefore, bedding more women is a measure of your success.

But research clearly shows that, the chances of having a lasting long term relationship/marriage, is inversely correlated to the number of people she has slept with. So the more guys she's fucked, the lower chance of a lasting relationship. I would prefer my kids to have parents that are not divorced, and therefore I will look for a girl with a low notch count. Simple logic.

anonlymouse · 2014-09-02T14:13:03+00:00

I think you've got some extra noise coming in from guys still in the anger phase. Because yeah, it doesn't make sense.

4rpta · 2014-09-02T14:43:14+00:00

IMO, TRP is slut-shaming agnostic, slut shaming being a tool of natural societal regulation.

At the core, TRP seeks to understand human behavior. To TRP, it doesn't matter if a woman is a slut or not, what matters is understanding the motivations in being a slut or not, and how to exploit that understanding to one's personal and societal interests.

On a personal level, for the male who's interests it is to increase sexual opportunities, sluttiness may help an individual in their goals of maximizing sexual opportunities, or if they're not as alpha as other guys for whatever reason, it may harm their opportunities by freeing up a woman's choice to select only the most alpha of males. For a male who's interests is LTR'ing a gal, increased sluttiness is negative as it decreases availability of women who are desirable for LTRs. This much is obvious.

On a societal level, sluttiness is generally seen as negative due to is disruptions of the male/female relationship dynamic, and disruptions to the family structure.

On an evolutionary level, sluttiness reduces odds that one male's own DNA will be passed on, but maximizes the odds that a woman's own offspring will be most fit for survival (thus the preference for alphas, and why women will tend towards beta guys in later life -- the beta will take care of the stronger children). This influences the behaviors desired on the individual and societal level. Ultimately, for the male's DNA, sluttiness is undesirable and may explain popular aversion towards sluttiness, and thus, slut-shaming.

TL;DR, TRP is agnostic towards slut shaming, slut shaming may be a natural behavior, any individual may choose whether to slut shame or not, and may use TRP to inform his decisions.

asd1100 · 2014-09-02T13:04:39+00:00

The goal is to get men to fight for their interest. Sometimes that interest is have a lot of great sex, othertimes it's find a great mother to have children with. Your opinion on slut culture can vary according to your purpose.

Real red pillers actually love sluts, they understand that some people are great at fucking and being thrown away when they start to outweigh their utility while others are good at being loyal and starting a family with them.

There is no reason at all to project your idealism and later your disappointment that that idealism is not applicable in the real world on sluts.

Shouldn't TRP be encouraging slutty behaviour to maximize chances of women putting out?

That is where the difference between TRP and PUA comes into play, we don't bother with that bullshit, if you want to fuck we will fuck, if not, good bye I'll find someone that wants to. I will not ask you to do me the favor of letting me rock your world, that is just retarded. I assume you are a somewhat rational human beeing, have a sexual strategy and are perfectly capable of com,unicating it and pursuing it, and if it lines up with mine we make like rabbits and lay very colourful eggs.

Fundamentally we don't give a fuck what women do. We know how to become the men that you want to fuck, love, live for, being with us becomes your best available option, regardless of if you are a feminist, a club slut or a hooker. You just want a "good man" around you, validating your worth and existence, regardless of the layers of rationalisation you built on top of that. As long as female nature doesn't change at a biological nature, we really have no reason to complain about what cultural reference is popular for women to use this decade. So all of our "slut shaming" is just your average bitching about the other gender: kinda like men are piggs. It's superficial frustration with the thing you love, it's not really mean spirited.

RunawayGrain · 2014-09-02T16:22:58+00:00

My take on it is that TRP is more about improving oneself mentally and physically and therefore to be more appealing to the opposite sex. So basically why put in the efforts to improve oneself for a girl that is obviously an open door. Better to pass on her for greener pastures.

Think of it as a Pinto vs a Ferrari. Almost everyone will view the Ferrari as a status symbol, and almost everyone will diss on the Pinto.

kick6 · 2014-09-02T16:38:51+00:00

if you read the sidebar of the TRP sub, it's all about sexual strategy. Max notch count. However, the more general red pill (these ideas go far above and beyond a sub on reddit) includes those who would like a relationship with a chaste girl, but can't even find one because of slut-cheerleading.

However, even those men who want sluts for easy poon are still frustrated by girls who are sluts attempting to claim that they were sluts and that now, suddenly, their abused pussy is worth full price.

Misteralcala · 2014-09-03T03:38:06+00:00

Sluts are fine to have fun with, they just aren't good options for LTR and should be passed over for women who show more value and less risk.

Bippzy · 2014-09-02T13:32:06+00:00

My understanding is that TRP says the female/male dynamic is messed up because of encouraged hypergamy among females. This means that they will ride a "cock-carousel" where they hook up with the most sexually attractive(alpha) men. TRP also holds that Men are the gatekeepers to commitment and Women are the gatekeepers to Sex. Simply put, women who ride the cock carousel lose their idea of a long term relationship and will likely end up settling down with someone who can pay for them but they aren't attracted to when they hit the wall(when they are too old/getting unattractive). With self-improvement comes Alpha characteristics, and with Alpha characteristics comes the ability to be attractive to females, even the ones that ride the cock carousel. So, we hook up with those on the carousel and settle down(if we ever do) with an attractive, reasonable, caring, feminine girl who has had a low partner count because they haven't been ruined by western society and will be conducive to long term relationships. Carousel girls you shouldn't even be exclusive with. Therefore, we'll fuck the sluts, but we'll shame them too because they aren't desirable for anything more than sex.

rplearn · 2014-09-02T15:04:29+00:00

I think there is a kind of dual strategy at play here. Just like women have AF/BB, there are two things TRP looks for in women regarding sex. (1) she puts out. (2) she only puts out for you.

Now, you can see how if (1) is true, it makes it harder for (2) to be true. So, in many cases, the point of having multiple women is to start with (1) and look for (2) among them. If you can find both in the same girl, they are promoted to an LTR.

To me, this question is very similar to asking why women say they want nice guys but end up rejecting them. Women want guys that (1) every girl wants to fuck but (2) only wants to fuck / commit to them. You can see how if (1) is true (2) is less likely.

So, in the cruel irony that is life, both (1)s find each other easily and rarely find the (2) quality they are looking for.

RedPillington · 2014-09-02T12:42:19+00:00

"slut shaming" is social regulation of certain behaviors that are bad for society to accept, just in the same way "fat shaming" is. it's ultimately a good, if brutal thing. if people hadn't made fun of me for being fat, i might still be fat.

and i wouldn't mind at all if i could find a reasonable woman who wouldn't fuck another guy at the drop of a hat. fucking multiple women is a lot of work.

etcomro · 2014-09-02T14:49:36+00:00

I believe the RPers who've moved past anger into acceptance don't really slut-shame. Women can't be helped for their nature in the same way that men can't.

ConfidenceMatters · 2014-09-02T15:01:26+00:00

Encouraging slut behavior is contributing to the decline of society.

Slut-shaming is important for the quality of women to increase. Nowadays the vast majority of women are insanely slutty, especially the hotter ones, all because of this whole feminist sexual freedom bullshit that promotes low quality behaviors in women.

masterrod · 2014-09-02T16:09:46+00:00

All depends on if you think all women are slutty?

There are sluts, promiscuous women that you make plates if you like, and there are pious low count women that you can make more with.

AlienSunrise · 2014-09-02T17:42:06+00:00

The sad fact is that there are far more sluts than good women. Most of us here at TRP would really love to find an acceptable, loyal woman, who knows how to be a good wife. Sadly, unicorns don't exist. Seeing as perfect women aren't out there, we need to work with what we are given. And we are given sluts. But settling down with a sluts is a terrible move, so we hook up with many of them. So the goal really isn't to fuck as many as possible, it's to get laid without settling for a whore. This results in fucking lots of whores, because dudes gotta get laid!

mordanus · 2014-09-02T19:24:11+00:00

then what is the point of slut shaming?

We don't slut shame. There's no reason to slut shame for a man. Women are the ones that shame them. Shame is a woman's tool. Men like sluts. We fuck them and enjoy them for what they are. However, we do not keep them for LTRs because they aren't suitable for it. We use sluts for what they are good for and nothing else.

Shouldn't TRP be encouraging slutty behaviour to maximize chances of women putting out

There's enough sluts out there that we don't need to encourage it. Feminists are the ones that shot women in the foot by encouraging them to destroy the value of pussy.

At this point we can enjoy women for what they are and hunt the non-existent unicorn.

Enphuego · 2014-09-02T19:38:11+00:00

Slut shaming is the public humiliation of women that sleep around. I'd hope that you don't see advice around here that encourages you to call a girl out on it. That would be pointless and cruel.

Humankeg · 2014-09-02T20:21:19+00:00

I want to bed as many women as possible, doesn't mean I have to respect them. Why should I respect a woman that simple spreads her legs? I understand respecting men that are good with women, as it is a an actual skill and art form to be charming and attractive to a female.

But to a woman, picking up a guy is as simple as telling one "I want to fuck". No effort required at all. She is simply a piece of meat for the night that I don't need to talk to after.

Sluts aren't bad people, but there is no reason to think anything of them if they reduce themselves to nothing but a vagina.

Modified_Hackware · 2014-09-02T21:35:56+00:00

We don't shame sluts. Women do that and there's whitepapers on this to prove it. Men don't give a fuck if she's a slut, they just wont put a ring on her.

Women hate sluts, because it cheapens their bargaining power (sex) in the relationship.

Search my submitted topics to /r/alreadyred one of them is in there.

shebrokemintopieces · 2014-12-09T23:35:00+00:00

Again, Arent they all the same. Arent they all sluts? Should we not just lump them all into the same category already. regardless if they are currently practicing sluttery or not, they all have it in them. Keeping this in mind , should we always keep our gaurd up, & either manipulate it to our advantage, or use it as a guide to steer clear of the super sluts., vs the normal sluts

Ragu35 · 2014-09-02T13:19:00+00:00

Sluts are good for being sluts. You fuck them and that's it. They aren't LTR material. I personally love sluts for exactly what they are useful for, but you'll never see me in a relationship with one.

rangamatchstick · 2014-09-02T15:32:10+00:00

Slut-shamming is stupid, oudated, pathetic, and I consider it very blue pill as its what the masses due to the idea of guys who were so jealous and pissed off about not having much sex while girls could do it almost at will, they created this idea of shamming them for something they can do easily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaRjwsOKEyQ like it or not tyler explains it perfectly.

squirrelcuisine · 2014-09-02T22:21:02+00:00

It has never been my goal to add notches to my bedpost. more power to the guys that do. They are uncovering the "bad" women out there for the guys that are conservative and dont do the PUA. They are doing the Conservative RP guys a favor. I think it is risky to put your dick in something you cant get a feel for who she is. The rape accusations, the pregnancy scares (I had one girl lie to me about this years ago). Getting a BAD one pregnant and having to raise a kid with a psychopath or pay for it.. F that. Sex for me has always been a calculated risk for me. Sluts turn me off. They dont value themselves and i dont value them. Is it slut shaming? Nah I would never say it to them. I WOULD have a negative opinion of them. Too many women think they can do whatever the fuck they want without any repercussions. I think they are a scourge.

That being said before I found my wife 25 years go I did sleep with about 20 and date about 30 before I found her. For me it was part of the interview process for the endgame which was for me a LTR. It worked great for me.

I had a personal creedo. I didnt stick my dick in crazy EVER no matter how good or HOW horny it was. I had to genuinely like them and they be good people. Ive met a ton of dimes that were fives after counting their personality. Those were easy to cross off the list.

Im 40+ and married (accidentally to a RPW) 20 years.. so.. yea.. I got something right.

TRP has turned me into someone different in the past month. I actually dont like watching porn anymore. I just dont like watching chicks get pounded and abused anymore. It is the weirdest flipping thing and I dont fully understand it. I used to want my wife to be one of those loud slutty women which she totally isnt (outwardly she isnt but at home yea.. game on) I was playing with fire.

Weirdest thing.. the stuff totally turns me off now. Now the videos i have of my wife.. (about 50 of them over 25 years) Those are porn gold for me.

Totally strange.

[deleted] · 2014-09-02T14:44:45+00:00

All these guys are hoping to land the mythical "virgin slut".

Teutonicfox · 2014-09-02T13:43:01+00:00

the idea is that the TRPer will slut shame because he's awesome and will bed women despite them being slut shamed. other guys will not have that ability.

leodoestheopposite · 2014-09-02T13:50:37+00:00

The word slut should be eradicated from the English dictionary, at least from a Red Pill Man's dictionary.

Not all women are the same, some women have a high body count, some women have a low body count. TRP offers a clear view of what reality is all about, especially the concept of Hypergamy.

Now, a woman would engage in frequent sexual acts with different male partners for fun, what RP calls Cock Carousel. That is her prerogative, and a welcome one.

Now, if a guy decides to partake in the Cock Carousel, TRP offers the tools on how to partake.

If a guy decides to engage in a LTR (even marriage) with a woman who has a low body count, that is hi prerogative, and TRP offers some tools as well.

The vast majority of women choose to engage in the Cock Carousel early in life, mostly with AF; then once they hit their early 30's, they switch search mode, looking for a "provider", the AB(s) that she used to ignore or discard. Again this is her prerogative as well.

It's also a guy's prerogative to decide with whom he entertain to engage in a LTR, be this the popular post-wall, ex-cock-carousel-rider; or someone with low body count and a certain set of principles and behavior that he believes are a closer match to his set of principles.

Freedom and Free Will for everyone, but with no deceit.

Jasmene2012 · 2014-09-02T13:51:26+00:00

Another fucking loser, asking without reading. TRP doesn't even slutshame.

DrakeSaint · 2014-09-02T14:41:54+00:00

TRP encourages slut behaviour if it benefits them. So a plate spinner might exactly do that, but some might find more interesting to spin women with a low partner count to maximize chances of a good LTR-material woman. It's all about what you want, and how to reap maximum benefits out of it. Self-improvement could also mean fucking the biggest number of vaginas you can, or selecting the best vaginas out of the field. To each their own.

If you're only up for the sex, yes, the sluts are your best bet. Some PUA encourage this stance.

Myself, slut-shaming is useful as a self-empowerment tool when used properly. You can put plates in check, slash possible LTR-material fuckups...

Title	Slut-shaming and TRP?
Author	throwmeawayDan
Upvotes	20
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Date	September 2, 2014 11:06 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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