An honest issue I have with this subreddit

ThrowawayPUA · 2013-07-19T11:35:14+00:00

I would recommend two things:

Don't make snap judgements about seddit in only 3 weeks. Lots of guys lose interest in less time. This is a long term game, watch to see who the long term players are.
It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. seddit is what you make it. Meta-advice is rarely useful, and even more rarely listened to. If you aren't seeing the kind of content in seddit that you'd like, then try making a serious contribution first, before criticizing. Show some leadership by example.

leftajar · 2013-07-19T17:22:31+00:00

I feel your pain bro. There should be a place to discuss true tactics rather than the feel-good baloney that gets newbies motivated. Unfortunately, seddit is no longer that place. I haven't found a replacement yet. Let me know if you do.

borntoperform · 2013-07-20T01:34:22+00:00

My issue with seddit is that pretty much every non-FR post that is upvoted is all about inner game. WTF happened to outer game posts? You can have all the inner game in the world, but if you if you don't know how to establish rapport and comfort and, you know, actually seduce women, you're gonna have a bad time.

Pugilanthropist · 2013-07-19T09:02:12+00:00

Oh, you.

I'm not sure you realize the difference between "advanced game" and "beginner game." Here's the progression I've seen (as documented by Neil Strauss, Manson, Tyler Durden and tons of others) is that a person begins with canned games, cheesy openers and routines, finds a degree of success but ultimately realizes that they're at their best when they're honestly internalizing the greater theories into their own authentic selves. Those theories being:

assume attraction
approach constantly
practice outcome independence
believe in abundance
make yourself a more attractive person in general
go for the close ... always

You can't really give any written formula to figuring those out. It's really only something you learn through experience and, as the old mantra goes, approaching 1000 sets.

You find that you face different challenges at each stage of the game, starting with how to say hi to girls, moving on to asking for a number, going to breaking the touch barrier, going to kissing a girl, going to fucking a girl, going to maintaining attraction beyond that first interaction for whatever purpose you see fit i.e. LTR, Fuck Buddy, One Night Stand, Pen Pal, Person Who Will House You For the Night. And ultimately, the answer always comes back to those principles above ... maybe a couple I forgot.

But you can only write about that so many times. You have to live it.

Look, the true goal of every PUA is to become like a natural. And what's the key phrase in that? "Natural."

jseliger · 2013-07-19T16:14:19+00:00

it seems like beginner material and inner game are the main topics that are posted here

This is endemic to Reddit's culture as a whole, for reasons I wrote about in "Social news sites and forums should encourage users to blog."

paki123 · 2013-07-19T08:21:28+00:00

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recyclablebantha · 2013-07-21T05:01:00+00:00

So if your reading this, it would be great to do the following.

Minor point of order:

"So if ~~your~~ you're reading this, it would be great to do the following."

Don't downvote a post because its above your level and you may have not found value in it (yet).

Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger Effect? It ensures that this is an impossible request you are asking of the newbs.

If someone is far enough down the ladder, they will fail to appreciate things that are far above their level, because they lack the tools and capacity to recognize that those things are above their level.

Don't be dictating what peoples values on game and on relationships should be. We all have our own reasons and beliefs about game, don't downvote someone else because their views don't support yours.

Don't post comments that involve you shoving down your moral opinions and views down other people's throats. Ex: "This isn't right! You shouldn't have AMOGed that guy and pump and dumped that girl!" Get off your high horse.

I hope these ideas get more traction again. And that we could stop seeing all the judgement around here. It's like having the March of the White Knights every week, like we see over at /r/relationships.

Don't give advice if you have had no actual infield experience or lack enough experience in game.

Sounds okay in theory, although who's to say what "enough" experience would be?

619shepard · 2013-07-19T11:36:43+00:00

I know there are other subs that the style has only upvote buttons. Would that be helpful around here?

jp_lolo · 2013-07-19T14:33:17+00:00

not a bad suggestion. good luck.

captcha_wave · 2013-07-20T02:56:26+00:00

my impression is that for a lot of people, the asshole game is the beginner stuff that they've grown out of.

Angel_Donovan · 2013-07-20T14:04:13+00:00

Nice post. It's valid for any forum on the seduction/ dating/ pickup topic.

RSDkyle · 2013-07-21T14:42:09+00:00

based on all the comments, i think a subreddit split may soon be upon us. We could split the subreddit into two the beginners and the advanced. But that would make the beginner one almost useless, because the advanced good guys wont be there to help. If we have enough advanced members who are willing to give advice in the beginers section then thatl work. But then we already have that, its called r/askseddit that should be the beginner area where the advanced teach the beginners. That way seddit will be left with those able to contribute. I think we should all contribute and make posts, there shouldnt be so many lurkers upvoting and downvoting left and right

2013-07-19T13:29:53+00:00

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theartofoppa · 2013-07-19T08:56:01+00:00

I don't agree with there being different "levels" of game. You either seduce girls or you don't. Or are you using routines? Then yeah, you always need someone else feeding you new material.

If you have your game in check it can only grow more solid and more smooth.

Tell_Them · 2013-07-20T03:15:58+00:00

Bro, think about the demographics of this subreddit. The vast majority of subscribers are beginners. It's not easy to become a master PUA and many give up along the way. Speaking hypothetically, say 1000 people started browsing this subreddit. Over the course of a month these beginners go and upvote inner game posts and downvote your self-proclaimed advanced shit. After this month there's probably only 500 of the original 1000 that are still active. At most, 100 of these beginners would have become advanced. Fast forward 3 months and you probably have 10 active, advanced members and a boatload of beginners constantly flooding in.

What I'm trying to say is that some of the advanced material is very esoteric and is relevant to a very select and limited amount of members. Do the math, newbies will upvote shit that is interesting and pertinent to them, and since there are so many newbies it is no surprise all the inner game posts have so many upvotes. The advanced posts, however, will not receive as many upvotes because only a limited members have reached that level. Some beginners may downvote this material, but to blame the lack of attention your advanced material gets solely on beginners downvoting is foolish. Probably 20% of seddit can be considered advanced, so don't complain when an advanced posts receives 20% the amount of upvotes an inner game post gets.

To me, you came off as a butt hurt, attention seeking brat. You want people to read your seddit material? Cool, Then you'll have to write material that attracts and pertains to the largest segment of seddit: beginners! The fact that you were surprised, let alone offended by the amount of upvotes your posts receives is indicative of your massive ego. A physicist at Stanford isn't going to throw a temper tantrum if the general public doesn't read his paper on neutrinos and quarks. He understands that his audience is mainly other physicists, and although the general public may misunderstand his complex ideas, the academics will truly decide the validity and coherence of these ideas.

To conclude, I'm not saying that your material is poor or "too complex". Rather the unpopularity of the topics which you defend is due to the demographics of the audience to whom you write. With so few advanced members in this community why are you so surprised? At this point I can't tell which is bigger, your ego or your ignorance. If you truly want to see "advanced" content, posting an angry post here won't help.

2013-07-19T16:07:54+00:00

To you, what constitutes 'advanced material'?

AFormidableContender · 2013-07-20T03:26:07+00:00

It's great that there are so many users here, the issue is that it seems like beginner material and inner game are the main topics that are posted here.

What planet do you live on? This sub is primarily intermediate to advanced. They treat noobs like shit.

The entire seduction community made a big move, I'd say, about 2 years ago to structuring all content to intermediate-advanced guys. A lot of beginner help, inner game work and outer game discussion/explanation got dropped in favour of "do 100000000000000 approaches until you get good".

dre_day4 · 2013-07-19T11:15:12+00:00

As a casual lurker, I tend to upvote any good content. Im big on inner game stuff, I find it helps me balance my life and I run game much smoother. Helps me defeat any anxiety. I find this stuff pretty easy, its just the approach thats the most difficult.

hexag1 · 2013-07-19T16:05:19+00:00

Also

don't post multi-bullet point complaints/unsolicited subreddit advice after browsing for only three weeks.

2013-07-19T13:42:52+00:00

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allemande1979 · 2013-07-19T14:45:27+00:00

I didn't, but wanted to downvote your advanced game material because it comes off as a little sociopathic. In the section about promoters it said something about "understanding women's power as currency." Fucking gross, dude. You have to be a special kind of prick to think this way. As for the rest, the only thing the post said was to be social. What is advanced about that?

People just want to get laid in a mutual way, not rub elbows with the monopoly guy.

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Title	An honest issue I have with this subreddit
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Upvotes	174
Comments	56
Date	July 19, 2013 7:25 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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