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[–]Huemanretreat4000 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Every girl is different. You'll have to use discernment to notice the subtle differences in their personalities. Learn how to read the vibe. Girls who are more guarded require more trust, patience and familiarity to become comfortable with you. Girls who are free-spirit, eccentric and wild go are heavy on the bad-boy vibes.
As for you, never audition for a chick...ever. Change your mindset from "Does she like me" to "Do I like her". Not every woman is worth your attention, time and energy. Not every girl has the juice. Vet these girls early. Remember, you are the boss. Rejection happens...but fuck it. Life goes on.
[–]KompletterGeist 83 points84 points85 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
you've probably been overly gamey to a point where its blatantly obvious that you're putting on some kind of persona.
if you what you say comes off unnatural or like you planned it an hour ago what exactly you gonna say, that's gonna turn off any girl pretty quickly
mind you that girls are particularly good with social interactions or reading between the lines so they can sense that shit from 20m away against headwind
[–]Environmental_Cress2 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
been guilty of this before. Had an easy layup and somehow still fucked it up.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Is that why most genuine dickheads do well with women, because it’s not an act
[–]KompletterGeist 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Probably, idk. Let me give you an example what I mean: let's say a pua is having a conversation and the girl gives him a shittest, the pua realises that and in his head goes: "ahaa a shittest, I'll use push pull to neg her and pass the shittest this way" and then uses some precooked ToddV line in response, that shit is never going to come off authentic.
Because normal people don't talk like that. It's just weird. It doesn't come off "alpha" or whatever. It's actually pretty uncalibrated socially if you ask me
And I can tell this is exactly what happened to OP because he specifically said in his post: I used all these special tactics that I learned from YouTube gurus...in his mind he was probably: haha I'm now gonna use kino on her, that'll get her!...like no dude. Please...
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can see why it might read that way but no I’d say my best social skill is being witty off the cuff. No rehearsed lines over here she even commented on me not having a filter and saying whatever I want. If anything I was too aggressive trying to force attraction that wasn’t really there from the jump.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve got ptsd from watching Todd Vs infield stuff I’m surprised he hasn’t been glassed or maced or anything with how pestiferous he comes across
I do notice that whenever I’ve been successful with women I’ve been myself ir at least not trying to think about pick up stuff I’ve read
There are a few useful tips here and there but most of it comes across as awkward and unnatural especially for the types of guys who have to actively learn it like myself who are usually more subtle and reserved
[–]Hermit41 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From the sound of it you came off too try hard bro, tbh game is cool and all but girls aren’t stupid they can tell when your doing too much. And sometimes if your more focused on kino, push pull, etc a girl can tell from a mile away that your “performing”. Sometimes it helps to just focus on vibing with the girl and be focused on actually finding out if she’s even a right fit for you. From the sound of it she was feeling you if she complemented your eyes etc but maybe you just weren’t calibrated with where she was at a different point in the interaction then you were but of well you live you learn right. On to the next
[–]SolidPuzzleheaded984 89 points90 points91 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
No such thing as kino, push pull, frame, etc.
There’s she attracted to you and makes it easy for you, or she isn’t attracted and that means no matter what you say or do will change that.
It’s really simple.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
brutal but true. she was super high interest before meeting said I was cute and even initiated the meet up.
[–]Milksteaknow 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Then you ducked up somewhere
[–]quadfintryfin 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Or he just wasn’t what she thought he was
[–]Spiridor 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dudes on this sub will really do literally anything to not look inward when reflecting on failures, huh?
[–]Milksteaknow 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, and that’s how you never get better. ALWAYS take the blame and figure out why it is you failed
[–]wolfbee16 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. Kino is a way for me to gauge how interested the girl is in me. If she shows continuing signs of being against it, then I back off and just keep it friendly.
If she’s into it you it will be obvious, then you progress the kino further.
Kino isn’t some way to seduce, it’s only a way to test the boundaries and look for signs of reciprocation
[–]nonbinaryg 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Can you drop me a link to this kino thing?
[–]Cautious_Astronomer 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Tldr from my understanding it’s placing physical touches to build comfortability with someone (maybe specifically in an attempt to get laid but don’t quote me). Brushing up against her arm, touching her hair, holding hands, etc
[–]wolfbee16 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya basically. I always start with the light brush on the arm, then touch the back then keep going. It sounds weird but it’s just a way to test boundaries without pressing too hard
I made a very detailed post about it a few years back when I was in college
https://reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/akftv6/from_afraid_to_look_a_girl_in_the_eye_to_getting/
[–]AssistTemporary8422 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. I think to a large extend she will make up her mind no matter what you do, but having good interpersonal skills with women does really help.
[–]cryptosis420 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually its a bell curve. Their are girls that a very attracted at one tight end of the curve and then there are those girls that aren't at the other end. Game is designed for the middle portion of the curve of woman who need a certain amount of subcommunication.
[–]WanyCaleb 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What kinda perfect world do you live in?
[–]WeaselRobot 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There are plenty of things you can say and do to change that. That's what we do in this sub.
Kino exists. Every time someone touches a girl, that's kino.
Push pull exists. Naturals do it, and it makes them attractive.
Frame exists. It's used in plenty of other fields, like sales or literally hostage negotiation.
Not only techniques work, but if they didn't, we would have to invent ones that did. If you think you can't make a girl attracted to you, you belong with the incels.
[–]inline6throwaway 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Excellent response
[–]Off2damoon 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Here’s the truth - Women are unpredictable, finicky creatures and trying to over analyze what you specifically did wrong is a fruitless effort.
I’ve had women who have told me they love me after dozens of sexcapades go ghost. Girls who have shown massive interest and then act like a cold fish in person, and women who barely show any interest at all turn around and end up in bed. You will never know the reason. She could have a boyfriend that she didn’t tell you about, she could have bipolar disorder, she could have been triggered by one random sentence you said. You are trying to solve a mystery without any evidence.
The unfriending on snap is your clue to cut ties. I would send one last text calling her out for that in a light-hearted way and leave the door open for her if she wants to hit you up some day which shows you’re not butt-hurt by it but you won’t be chasing her. Then never text her again and consider her deceased. 1% chance she’ll hit you up one day in the future.
The only tried and true advice is to not get attached to any women, cut loses quickly and move on to the next one, realizing that there is no one girl who is so special she is irreplaceable. This is the key to happiness.
[–]Cautious_Astronomer 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Don’t send the text after she already unadded you, it comes off as creepy or that you didn’t get the hint and I would not message back someone who tried that
[–]Off2damoon 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I disagree - who gives a shit how you come off to someone who isn’t interested in you regardless? There is zero downside to texting someone after they unfriended you as the worst case scenario is being in the same position you’re already in. Best case scenario is you the left connection with a message of closure that shows them you have social awareness of the situation, that you’re cool and indifferent to it and that the door is open for the 1% chance. Maybe you’ll never hear from them again maybe they’ll wake up one day remembering how chill you were and now you’ve got a resurrected booty call. Keep spinning those plates!
[–]Cautious_Astronomer 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
And I’m telling you from a woman’s perspective I would literally never reach out to somebody who attempted to lightheartedly call me out if I already unadded them. I don’t want to talk to them anymore… if anything it would make me want to block because he sent another message after I made it clear that I didn’t want to continue talking, and then you REALLY have no chance of them adding you back lol
EDIT: I will add I usually would say something to someone before unadding them out of the blue unless something they said was off putting/overtly sexual in some way, for context
[–]Off2damoon 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well from a man’s perspective, I’m seeing a logic gap in your response.
If you “don’t want to talk to them anymore”, how does anything after that matter? Does the sending of a text message make you really reallyyy not want to talk to them anymore? Lol TF is the difference?
Are you suggesting that she’ll come crawling back but only if he doesn’t send a final message to her? I’m still trying to understand how he’s not in the same boat either way?.. please elaborate!
[–]Cautious_Astronomer 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Realistically the difference is minimal, but men who do that come off as thirsty and respect is lost. It’s about social awareness of when to let go and not say anything
[–]Off2damoon 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
You keep circling back to how he “comes off” to someone which you’re also stating isn’t interested in how he comes off. LOL. This is known as a logical fallacy. In essence: It is irrelevant how someone comes off to someone who isn’t interested so therefore it doesn’t matter.
It sounds like your reasoning focuses solely on how you, as the woman, proclaiming to represent the collective thought of all women, would selfishly feel getting annoyed or bothered by a man texting you that you don’t like. This self-centered viewpoint neglects the fact that the girl he dated probably doesn’t think exactly the same as you and even if she did, it once again would worst case scenario “annoy her” which is something he wouldn’t give a shit about doing if she doesn’t like him. Once you hit 0, you can’t fall any further.
[–]Cautious_Astronomer 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But why would you WANT to fall further knowing that’s the outcome? It’s to help learn the social cues of when to cut your losses. Nothing good comes out of it so why would you bother doing it?
[–]AssistTemporary8422 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe she is just old fashioned or just doesn't like your vibe. The fact that she called you a bad boy means she is afraid you are trying to use her for a hookup.
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She probably lost interest. Move on to the next.
[–]Jovatheconniseur 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There’s more fish in the sea with beautiful scales!
[–]dobbs1997 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
she may have felt intimidated
[–]Huemanretreat4000 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of girls can be intimidated by confident guys. He should aim for confident girls. Match his energy.
[–]BloodPrince_COD 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What’s kino advances ?
[–]peduxe 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
escalating physical touches.
[–]LucianU 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sounds to me like you gave off a player vibe and she was afraid you'd just fuck her and move on.
[–]OrzhovPalatine 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
You probably came off a little heavy. Keep in mind a woman falls in love through her ears not her eyes so your looks IMO had nothing to do it.
You likely came off as really tryhard and she wasn't into it. IMO go over the interaction in your head if you want to figure out what you did wrong.
The fact you two met up means she was at least 51% interested. Everything else was in your court, you're auditioning to her at that stage anywho. So go over how the encounter went and figure out how you could of done better for the next one.
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[–]partyn3xtd00r6 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
idk bro I felt like she wasn’t feeling it off rip. I didn’t do anything too different than I normally do. this girl was a solid 8/10 if that makes any difference and was super high interest before meeting called me cute and initiated the meet up.
[–]OrzhovPalatine -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
I didn’t do anything too different than I normally do
You always gotta adapt to the situation. In my early days nightgaming I always had the same script but sometimes it didnt work so I'd have to throw it out and try something different on the spot or just make it up as I went under she responded well.
was super high interest before meeting called me cute and initiated the meet up
This is why I say it's something on your end because she showed up so had some kind of interest. You just had to seal the deal and didnt so clearly you messed up somewhere. Thats why I'm telling you to go over that encounter and figure out what you could of done better. Pay close attention to what you did to the lead up of her pulling back because thats probably where you messed up.
[–]of_patrol_bot 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Lmao at this bot correcting OP more than once haha
[–]PieSakuraTea 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
😂😂😂
[–]Specialist_Heat6001 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Username checks out
[–]Specialist_Heat6001 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Its not OP look carefully
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Meant OP of the comment. Is there another term for that?
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I have been playing it back and this felt like one of those it was over as soon as it started type situations. u know how girls know if they wanna fuck u within the first 3 seconds of meeting u? it felt like her mind was made up and no matter the push pull kino I tried to apply it was not gonna make a difference.
[–]OrzhovPalatine 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
See thing is if that was the case I dont think she'd of bothered showing up. I've messed with some girls that arent into the whole push/pull or any kino cause they dont want to come off as easy/slutty or they're in a phase, etc and I needed to actually be a little more patient with them.
Even if her mind was made up play it back in your head and think what you could of done better cause that's frankly the only thing you had control over.
When I had women blow me off and I thought it was a flawless encounter I still played it back to see what could of been improved upon. Can always be improving
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
no what I meant by that is she was high interest off pictures since I met her from a dating app but in person when she saw me she wasn’t feeling it. like I didn’t measure up to the fantasy she had of me in her head prior to meeting me.
[–]Coolvolt 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If this was your first meetup with this girl you were probably pushing way too hard. Many women won't sleep with you until 2 or 3 dates in just cause they want to feel comfortable and not slutty or used. I personally always play it cool and friendly on first meetup, and I don't even try for sex or much touching at all for that matter (unless they are coming on super strong and obviously want it). If they like you enough they will meet with you again with more trust and be more receptive to your advances after that.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
lol what’s funny is the last interaction was us hugging goodbye and me going for the ass grab and her being like I don’t know u like that. (mind u I was just holding hands with her shortly while driving and building it up to it throughout the date breaking the touch barrier) then she adjusted the hug and I was like what kinda hug is that and she’s like a friend hug and I’m like I’m not ur friend and said bye. then she unfriended me and blocked me off the app lol.
[–]Skizznitt 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's not funny at all... this was the first date and you went to grab her ass during a goodbye hug when she wasn't very receptive to you to begin with? Lol dude... What? You're being way overbearing. Holding hands does not = okay for ass grab later. You made her feel super uneasy. Then reacting to her "friend hug" showing what she said bugged you enough that you'd say something hurtful back rather than something playful and light, that was a fail too, you basically just shouted at her that you have a fragile ego. You need to ease up and stop trying so hard to play stupid pua games, you're overdoing it big time.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
fair
[–]Coolvolt 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you were coming off way too strong and made her uncomfortable. Next time just be friendly/flirty and ask questions, let her do most of the talking and do active listening. 1-2 hours tops and then get out of there. You need to build rapport and trust first before she even thinks about getting physical with you.
[–]Neo-Rio 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Saying "I'm not your friend" instead of "Friends with benefits right? ahha" is going to get you that reaction.
Girls you meet online are typically DTF as long as you don't screw it up by saying something dumb - or the girl asking something dumb and you opening your big fat mouth to reply.
Honestly if you've done the groundwork correctly in your attraction patter to go for that, then touching her shouldn't be an issue - but you have to learn as to when the moment opens itself up to you.
Assuming THAT'S the case, I think being bold and touching her is fine. She DID consent to meeting up with you under a possibly romantic context - and if your touching her offended her then - no you didn't come off too strong - you just say your sincere apologies to her followed by goodbye (and good riddance.) She's going to have to get used to you touching her anyway if she's DTF, so swatting you away just either signals immaturity, or epar fantasy, or something else you just don't want to deal with.
[–]OrzhovPalatine 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah I see. Then yeah nothing you can do there.
[–]of_patrol_bot 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]RedditsOlderBrah 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
u know how girls know if they wanna fuck u within the first 3 seconds of meeting u?
do you really experience this? have you considered you might be a really shitty person?
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yea I’ve noticed if a girl smiles right when seeing me for the first time she’s down to fuck and if she’s indifferent then I get no where.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you should probably work on being a guy that women want to be around.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
I am surprised that all you experienced dudes missed the glaring fact that escalating and doing kino shows too much interest and could also validate her.
Also escalating kino on first date runs the risk of over validating her. I agree he did something or acted in a way or said something to have her go from high interest to low interest.
I bet op was a clown or was too touchey and confusing to continue the date and being unfriended means she went from level 9 interest to zero.. sometimes dudes should just shut up and play mysterious but calm and watch how fast the panties come off when a girl has high interest instead of trying to game her.. if she has high interest you don’t have to do much less is better just coast.. you don’t need to win someone that already sees u as a winning catch..
Its like a client being referred to you from a friend and it’s basically a slam dunk deal because they already see you as a winning partnership.. instead of just going into meeting and closing the deal you talk the client out of doing business with you.. this is comparable.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I gave her 0 validation and was negging her all night and didn’t give her any compliments even though she was smoking hot. If anything I could’ve been too aggressive maybe over compensating for her lack of attraction towards me. My guess is she liked what she saw on pictures but didn’t like me as much in person.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
so you neg a girl with high interest? That’s terrible. if you touch her its validation. if u didn’t touch her and just neg then you failed rule 1 of high interest girls.. 0 game is needed maybe a few shit test passes and your in. Neg is for girls that see themselves as above you or lower 5 interest. Sounds like u have the tools just using them wrongly my guess.. you got a hot girl on a date is a win but you went from high interest to low.. lets help u nail these dimes..
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
I just said her interest was high online but didn’t translate to in person like off the rip. So basically her interest was high through text but when she saw me in person I’m guessing I didn’t measure up to the fantasy she had of me in her head.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
you using old photos? Something seems fishy here. Did you chat on phone prior? When you meet in person it should raise her interest not lower…the whole goal is to get her on a date..did she say anything about your looks etc ?
It happens… i had a girl once say I didn’t look like my pictures but she was weird and nutty.. was seeing way too many dudes so it happens.
Where did you meet and for how long?
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
no bro I sent her a current full frontal facing video of me on Snapchat then she called me cute and initiated the meet up. just text no phone conversation. only comment she made on my looks in person was that I had nice eyes. everything else was about how I’m a bad boy and how I’m hard and aggressive.
she initially wanted to go out but I was busy earlier that night and when I got free everything was closed so I picked her up from her condo and we went for a drive then a walk in the park. I had a bottle of liquor so we drank a lil bit and talked. I did come late though and she told me she was gonna delete me and go to sleep cause she thought I wasn’t gonna come. we hung out for like 90 mins.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
she sounds like a cheater or a newbie just getting bck into dating… your fine.. next time have a public place that’s lively lighten up setup even dennie’s and coffee is ok… liqour in a dark park is sketchy but ok I guess could go either way… she’s not readily available to date.. next time ask her how long she has been single for..
I don’t think it was you unless you said some dumb shit or was overly aggressive.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
she said she was dating a guy for 10 years broke up in February then her mom told her to go on a dating app and find someone cause she’s always alone. I responded by saying she must’ve had a sad girl summer then she said no she actually had fun this summer which to me translates to she was hooking up with random guys but who knows.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Na man… she hopped in a guys car not knowing him late night then at a park… she green as a grass at the masters.. yeah long relationship not available your her first try on app… she will most likely match with u in future u may have another shot…next time a girl says she got out of a 10 year relationship go very very slow with her…expect flakey ness and uncertainty… you want girls in under 2 year relationships preferably 1 year relationships.
10 year relationship= heavy baggage Not emotionally available to date which is what dudes need to look out for.
Guys are so quick to go meet up with a girl without properly vetting. You met up late night without much investment so it’s fine.. but yeah if your not the type of dude to want to talk to her many nights and do a slow dating schedule she’s not the one. I avoid girls in long relationships newly single unless they have been actively dating for a while..any type of emotionally unavailable girls.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I don’t know bro I feel like girls who are new to the apps are the best ones cause they haven’t been ran thru yet. She broke up with her man 8 months ago it’s not exactly super fresh I’m sure she smashed a few guys since then being she’s very attractive. I had a girl last week who just broke up with her man days ago and was inviting herself over to my place a few days later. Only difference was I feel the girl from last week views me as higher smv than her where the girl from the other night views herself as higher smv than me.
To be fair she was hot bro so I had to take my chances and see what happens. I’m not really the one to go on a long dating process in hopes of smashing the girl. I usually smash girls within the first 1-2 meet ups. I do think if a girl finds u attractive enough that’s enough time to get the job done.
[–]Delicatestatesmen1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
yeah if physical attraction is there sure.. good shit yeah she came out to meet you.. so at least you partly won with low investment.. sometimes these girls are weird.
[–]Delicatestatesmen 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
oh you snapped a video… hard and aggressive = thirsty she felt your too pushy… slow it down then you might have over calibrated. Also chat on phone prior to meetup is always wise you want to come off as cautious not so readily available.It wasn’t your looks if u snapchated. Hot girls get turned off on aggressive pushy dudes… they have been traumatized by that usually.Did you touch her?
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was trying to touch her but she wasn’t really allowing it usually girls will let me touch them then stop me if I’m going too far but she wouldn’t even let me start if that makes sense.
I did start the date off with a hug broke the touch barrier during the date while joking around with her held hands shortly while driving. Then when saying bye I grabbed her ass while hugging and she was like I don’t know u like that. Then she repositioned the hug and I was like what kinda hug is that and she’s like a friend hug and I’m like I’m not ur friend then said bye then she unfriended me on snap and blocked me on the dating app lol.
[–]Vinegar_Tits_9 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Omg dude, THAT’S what happened. Jesus, you did that negging crap, women aren’t idiots, they know about begging. No wonder she Unfriended you. Girl dodged a bullet.
[–]Tyrian-Purple 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Only morons do "negging". And only stupid girls still fall for it.
[–]bigm5995 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
you were doing too much. you were giving her game she wasn't feeling it and instead of abandoning shit you keep pressing. you made her feel uncomfortable g. probably ease up a little bit but you should have noticed after a while that she wasn't feeling you man. just ease up and know when you are fighting a losing battle keep shooting though
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
felt like she was on the fence the entire time tho I never felt totally out but wasn’t totally in either. fair enough tho I was probably too aggressive looking back on it.
[–]bigm5995 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if she ain't in she's out keep swinging g.
[–]WeaselRobot 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kino is a gauging mechanism. If she rejects it, you need more work on previous stages, like building more attraction or more comfort. This is basic M3 model stuff.
[–]diefckrdie 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's a her thing, not a you thing. Most times, in dating, people's responses are reflective of their feelings or issues, more than yours. Not saying you mustn't introspect, but don't stress or obsess over it.
[–]F7RD 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She can say whatever she wants but kino doesn’t lie, get a new girl
Agreed and she blocked me off the app after so actions speak louder than words.
[–]recyclablebanthas1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
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If a girl shuts down all ur kino advances does that mean just mean she doesn't find you physically attractive enough?
There is no one answer for this kind of question. In general it means one of a two things:
You pushed too hard and screwed yourself out of whatever chance you had.
She wasn't interested.
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met up with a girl....
How did you meet this girl?
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....and felt like she had her guard up the whole time even when I brought it down with jokes push pull every time I tried kino she absolutely wasn’t having it.
This is kind of vague as far as how the interaction was going. You're not talking at all about what the conversation topics were, what you were doing during this meetup, etc.
Context matters.
But in any case, this isn't some equation where you just tell jokes and then people are going to be into physical escalation automatically.
You need to actually calibrate what you're doing to the responses you're getting back from her.
If you were not in tune with the situation, then jokes would just make things worse. You shouldn't really be trying to be a comedian anyway. And push pull is often going to come off nakedly manipulative, which can reflect poorly on you as well.
In that situation, if you kept trying to physically escalate when you were already making mistakes, that was just going to dig the hole even deeper.
In short, you were kind of screwing yourself over.
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....she made comments about how had I nice eyes and how I’m such a bad boy due to my idgaf attitude.
Classic mistake here: if you're doing things right, you shouldn't be pegged as a bad boy.
Sounds like you definitely came on too strong and she just thought of you as a manipulative dude she didn't want to be around.
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....checked my snap afterwards and she unfriended me which doesn’t normally happen to me. trying to figure out if it was my looks or my game that was off?
You described enough about your game that it's clear the issue was bad calibration.
You were throwing everything at the wall hoping something would stick instead of actually paying attention to the person you're hanging out with and calibrating to what they were doing.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
your 'game' is absolutely fucked if you touched a girl and she responds like that.
[–]Neo-Rio -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You met up with a girl and what happened after that?
Did you take her home and push the envelope as far as you could?
Or did you just part ways afterwards?
Because if it's the latter (which I think it is), the unfriending is obvious.
Judging by the way she was talking there was a bit of dominance required by you to break down her walls and token resistance - and you failed to deliver.
Didn’t even get to that stage brother. This felt like a dead on arrival situation for whatever reason. You could make the argument I was being too dominant. When she would tell me to do something I wouldn’t do it and I would just do what I wanted to do and lead her there. This was like she saw me and I wasn’t exactly what she was hoping for and from there on out what I said or didn’t say really wasn’t going to make her more attracted. Girl was a solid 8/10 and I’m harsh on my ratings. Legit smoke show Latina chick so I’m sure she has high standards when it comes to men. And I guess I just didn’t meet them.
[–]Neo-Rio -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well that kind of sucks. I don't mind women having ideas, because if I agree with them, and if it leads towards the bedroom - then that's totally OK.
It's when they tell you to do things which DON'T then you really do have to pack up and move on. Such as inviting the girl to a bar near my place and she says she won't do it and wants to go to an expensive restaurant instead. Or says that she's inviting a friend along. Or just being difficult. Just BS like this I have no time for. If you sell yourself properly, she knows what you're about. There's no excuse for her being stupid.
Plus some women are just crazy. The personality disorder-type crazy. They're not fixable. In some cases it's best that it fizzles out.
[–]maimy_winehouse 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow I've never heard of sexual assault framed this way
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[–]partyn3xtd00r6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably my weakest point is not adjusting my game to the girl. Definitely need to work on that. But I do feel like the attraction is done physically then you just close it out with your game.
She did mention I was aggressive, hard and a bad boy.
She didn’t want to be kissed brother I would try and position her in the ways I normally do like when u do kino make a girl laugh etc and she would pull away. It’s like she had her mind made up off the jump. Even at the end of the date when we said bye. We hugged and I grabbed her ass and she was like I don’t know u like that then she repositioned herself and I was like what kinda hug is that and she’s like a friend hug. I’m like I’m not ur friend and said bye then she unfriended me and blocked me on the app lol.
[–]Fluffy_Risk9955 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One needs to screw up in order to learn social cues on the subject of kino.
[–]devilkingx2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like she wasn't into you to me. Whatever she said or did before the date to make you think she was interested, when it was time to walk the walk she didn't.
This is assuming you're properly socially calibrated and didn't come off as a horndog or a weirdo.
[–]partyn3xtd00r6 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
you’re saying she wasn’t into me even prior to meeting or after seeing me in person?
[–]devilkingx2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can't say that for sure, all I can say is that in the end she wasn't into you.
Based on your story it definitely sounds like she got turned off at the beginning of meeting you, unless she was wasting your time all along.
she definitely wasn’t into me. I think she was excited to see me initially and I just didn’t measure up to the fantasy she had of me in her head. like the vibe was off right from the jump. if that’s the case then that would mean there’s nothing I could’ve done differently and it came down to my looks ultimately.
[–]Off2damoon 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because something good CAN come out of it. Texting that he’s letting her know he’s aware of the situation, that he’s cool with it and it’s all good, and that she can feel free to hit him up if she changes her mind. If that message “made her more annoyed” and forever cemented his fate to never speak with her again then she’s probably a psychopath anyways and he’s dodged a bullet. It’s literally a win/win. LOL
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