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HankScorpio4242 · 2022-03-24T01:41:12+00:00

“Be yourself” only works if “yourself” is appealing.

mightymite88 · 2022-03-23T21:26:56+00:00

All you need are the fundamentals.

But in any educational experience you need to balance practical and theoretical.

Reading how to build a car engine will be overwhelming unless you're step-by-step also seeing it and doing it and getting your hands dirty

Go make approaches. Experiment. Refine your technique. Then read some more theory. Rinse and repeat.

But really the fundamentals are all you need. Signal intent, build attraction, escalate. That's it.

vardarac · 2022-03-24T05:17:40+00:00

I have balls to escalate

OK, but can you explain how this works to someone who's never done it before? The entire reason this exists is that people don't know the language of flirting and sexuality. They don't have internalized the idea of how to communicate that they are confident; not needy.

That's all game is. Some people distill this down to techniques to the point of writing whole ass books but it's really just the things you didn't learn (or unlearning the things you should never have learned to do) in middle/high school and college because you were a nerd or not one of the chosen few.

Csoles520 · 2022-03-24T05:44:11+00:00

Bro I feel the same way people tryna make dating a chess match when it shouldn’t be that way

vroomvroomski · 2022-03-23T21:41:31+00:00

Idk personally I get bored if it's too easy. Ngl I kinda enjoy the chase and the butterfly feelings when she's showing you indicators of interest

Calamity__Bane · 2022-03-23T22:36:33+00:00

It’s like that until it isn’t.

2022-03-23T21:58:56+00:00

If you can pull of that level of supreme control over your social behaviour youre wasting your time by not being a secret agent.

2022-03-24T05:23:09+00:00

Instead of doing it all at once, do like 1 or 2 per day and progressively add the rest of the game that way you don't overload yourself.

Someone please explain why it has to be this difficult. Whats wrong with just being a normal human.

Normal doesn't cut it. With the current meta, you want to increase your odds or chances of getting that girl. That's where game comes in. Helps you stand out from the others guys.

Is that not enough.

Clearly. You making some mistakes along the way. Go back to the drawing board or something.

mercush · 2022-03-24T10:01:10+00:00

It's like training wheels for how to behave attractively. Mabye you already have a 100% non-needy, abundant, and joyful life and mindset with rock-solid confidence.

You're here though so I don't think so and the tone of your post also says otherwise.

So you use some techniques to fix some of your internal problems externally. This leads to some success which will increase your "actual" confidence by changing your self perception. Then you rely less and less on technique.

You're not supposed to be thinking about game while you're gaming. You're supposed to use it to analyze your interactions after the fact, become aware of your weaknesses or things that might work against you and apply maybe 1 or 2 things consciously at a time.

Paltenburg · 2022-03-24T10:09:35+00:00

A tip only works if you can get behind / can see it working. It's of zero use to try stuff that you don't agree with.

eablokker · 2022-03-24T17:04:34+00:00

Who the fuck can drive somewhere when in their mind all they are thinking is I have to check the rear view mirror, I have to put on the turn signal, I have to press in the clutch and shift to a different gear and then release the clutch and press the gas at the precise rate and speed. I have to keep my speed below the limit, but fast enough that I'm not slowing traffic, turn on my wipers when it rains, turn on my lights at night but lower the high beams for oncoming traffic. I have to know where to turn at each and every intersection, stop at the stop sign and give the driver on the right the right of way, and watch out for that dog!

Is it really supposed to be this complicated like fuck. Hey, I want to go to the airport, take me there. Great.

When you first learned to drive you had to concentrate very hard on each and every thing you did because you were learning and it was new. After some practice it became second nature and you can do it all without thinking. There are many ways to get to the airport, and driving yourself is just one of them. You can get there by walking, which will take a long time, or jump in a river and float downstream, or catch a ride with someone else. But if you put in the effort to learn how to drive yourself then you can go almost anywhere, anytime you want, without anyone's help.

FalconVita · 2022-03-24T05:50:49+00:00

Push-pull really works for me. I don't give a fuck if it's manipulation or not.

ReadyTelephone2395 · 2022-03-23T21:58:27+00:00

There is no real "game" just have normal social skills and try to get as attractive as possible.

All these techniques that these pick up gurus are selling you is all a sham. If they really worked wouldnt every dude be getting some?

Just be fun, social, cool, and try to be in the best shape possible, nice skin, etc.

And you'll be fine.

norwegiandoggo · 2022-03-23T21:30:43+00:00

I think we all feel like that sometimes. Women are picky and complicated. You should check out how the male gay dating scene is. It's crazy. They do exactly what you talk about here. They might go up to a guy in the nightclub and say "you look hot, wanna fuck?" On grindr they send a dick pick and then boom - hook up planned. It's so much more straight forward.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-03-23T21:44:03+00:00

The "game" was invented by a bunch of socially awkward weirdos who got beat up in middle school for being nerds. No, normal people don't interact like this and there is no reason for anyone to do this. Actually, the more you do it, the less success you have with women.

All it takes is to realize that you indeed DO NOT have a problem with women, it's all on your head, and that all it takes to get a woman interested is to be NORMAL. Normal guys are so rare, we are like unicorns.

RedEyeBlackEye1 · 2022-03-24T09:25:33+00:00

SIMPLE SUPER SECRET TRICK TO BYPASS THE BULLSHISH...kiss her ass.

I mean REALLY go crazy, spam "beautiful" and "you're so special". Tell her you "love her bc she's the one for you", get on bended knee in a crowded area to kiss her foot. She'll FALL MADLY IN LOVE AND LET YOU "GET IT IN", OP.

I'm rooting for you buddy. Go get em.

RastaPilot737 · 2022-03-23T22:23:26+00:00

Well that's not how game works! The secret is getting good in each skillet that you just do it without thinking!

One big game killer is overthinking and over strategizing!

2022-03-24T06:34:13+00:00

It's that you have incorrect mindset about what women want, because of tons of bullocks that you have been hearing from your family, friends, television, school etc. There are different techniques/strategies for anyone, you just need to realize some facts about women's nature and you can be freely yourself :)

EnjoyUpdates · 2022-03-24T02:58:33+00:00

Game is definitely overcomplicated and can seem overwhelming to a new person. After awhile you're almost doing things instinctively. Honestly tho, you're better off watching YouTube and reading stuff other than reddit. I don't know what happen to this Sub but it went downhill during the quarantine. I almost feel like messaging the mods and asking them what happen. So much shit advice.

stanthemilkman88 · 2022-03-24T03:26:29+00:00

Because yourself could be unattractive and shit.

SwoleMountain · 2022-03-24T07:49:27+00:00

Well to be fair, I just want to connect my dong to a puss.

great_account · 2022-03-24T01:22:37+00:00

Bro it is enough. Game is a trick guys use to think they're charming. If you just do you, there will be plenty of women who want you.

VeliVoy · 2022-03-23T23:28:30+00:00

Haha facts

Only works if you good looking

The_fractal_effect · 2022-03-24T00:34:39+00:00

https://realmademen.wordpress.com/ this dude basically rips game apart. His perspectives are great and are eye opening.

throwMeAwayTa · 2022-03-24T12:08:03+00:00

I’m funny, confident, assertive, I have balls to make the approach and escalate. Good externals like a good future ahead, and good looks. Is that not enough.

That's plenty enough.

But if you want even better results, you'll need more learning if you didn't naturally learn that growing up, as many people do.

MasculineDomain · 2022-03-24T13:00:26+00:00

I like how you wrote "stare into this eye π seconds" :D

PuroPincheGains · 2022-03-24T16:01:58+00:00

Why isn’t “just be yourself” good enough. I’m funny, confident, assertive, I have balls to make the approach and escalate. Good externals like a good future ahead, and good looks. Is that not enough.

That is enough, which means it's not all true since you're not succeeding. All the shit you described is stuff that people just do naturally. Some of us weren't born or raised with that stuff, so we have to work on those things one at a time in your interactions with women until we get good. Yes it takes work, practice, and time to get good at it. That's how skills work.

minosandmedusa · 2022-03-24T16:47:35+00:00

No it's not supposed to be that complicated. The problem with not being yourself is that, like, what do you even gain then? You're not even attracting people to you at that point, you're attracting people to an act, so doesn't that make it empty?

It doesn't have to be difficult. With that said, a bit like romance, seduction is a skill that you can level up. I actually think that learning to drop the act and be truly confident is the hard part for a lot of people out there.

Like, negging for example, is just a way to approximate being genuine. If people were genuine from the start, they wouldn't praise everything the person they're interested in does and says, there would be some things you disagree about or that you notice they made a mistake on. No need to neg, just don't pretend to love everything about them either.

korvek5000 · 2022-03-24T17:20:46+00:00

It’s not about you having to enact a strategy or having to deploy tactics. It’s about the theory, understand the theory of game and apply that to your life. If you can develop a mindset where you let your personality flow through these theories you can be yourself and be flirty

WardexDW · 2022-03-24T20:01:35+00:00

Dude really used Pi to chose the length of eye contact lol

Zealousideal6669 · 2022-03-24T21:13:06+00:00

Be yourself is by far the most overused dating advice ever. Yes it's right and wrong at the same time. All you talk about is the natural style. Yes it's exist, yes it's more fun and less overcomplicated than using that this disqualification and that push pull but there nare reason why is it exists. Be yourself and self amusing are both great and fun but if you wanna pull the hottest girls too who already probably have way more higher value options than you, just to be yourself is probably not enough. That's when technicality comes in. Both have advantages and disadvantages I agree but isn't not that black and white. Both work so it's up to you which one you personally like better

Kronuk · 2022-03-24T23:48:01+00:00

These comments are awful. It seems like nobody on this sub even knows what game is. Game extends far beyond picking up women, game is how you decode this reality that we live in and how you choose to play it to your advantage. Most concepts and things that have been outlined in logical ways are just explanations of things that work. It's like music theory, if you write music you don't need music theory to make good music, but it explains WHY things sound good. Same with pickup, there are things that work and certain patterns that escalate in certain directions with women.

Game in the pickup sense to getting women isn't actually difficult at all once you internalize why things work and make yourself ingrained with more attractive behaviors and qualities. Everybody can and SHOULD change who they are to be the best versions of themselves every day. What's the point of life in remaining stagnant and "just being yourself" if you aren't looking to learn, improve, and elevate yourself.

aznkor · 2022-03-25T02:48:46+00:00

I must stare into this eye 3.14159 seconds

Yes, the key to seduction is pi. Newton was the greatest player

aznkor · 2022-03-25T02:49:51+00:00

Hey I’m Mike how are you, I think you’re pretty. Lets talk a bit, have some jokes, banter a little, connect a little, lets go on a date.

Next time, try, "Hi, you're cute. You awakened something primal in me."

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