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[–][deleted] 195 points196 points197 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
This quote of her's upsets me more than anything. It's pretty much the PC way of saying men are tools in the lives of women and nothing more.
To say the person alive lost more than the person who died seems a little nuts to me. I thought life was the most valuable thing...
[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 57 points58 points59 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But that sounds like . . . objectification!
[–]blamb211 78 points79 points80 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Only if it's a woman's. Not if it's a male life, or an unborn fetus, but that's an entirely other discussion. Point is, only women are important, and nothing else matters. /s
[–]ConsAtty -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Good point. But wasn't H Clinton speaking from the perspective of the living? Isn't this the full quote: Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. --- Conference on domestic violence in San Salvador, El Salvador (17 November 1998). http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html
In other words, take it from a non-female perspective: my father dies after choosing to fight in the war, but I, his son, am the real victim by suffering forever after in countless ways. At least my father rests in peace.
More to the context, the soldiers that die are the remembered victims but those whose suffering is much more prolonged and whose suffering is often seen as secondary are in fact the primary sufferers. I don't think it's anything for egalitarians to get too upset about.
If I talk about day then those who love night get upset; if I talk about night those who love day get upset; if I talk of both my point is deemphasized. In fact, the greater context of her quote is from a domestic violence conference, not a war memorial commemoration. I see both sides if this; and both sides are very true: men who die fighting wars are victims and those in the wrong place at the wrong time often suffer greatly - sometimes more so.
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[–]ConsAtty 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Good points.
Women also lose limbs, suffer PTSD and mental issues, rape, and torture in war torn areas. The damage from war can be quite extreme and prolonged.
As to what's worse, RIP or dying, consider the non-war, civil litigation context where plaintiffs recover more for those who suffer significant damage versus wrongful death. Obviously death is worse but monetary recovery for damages related to the suffering living is often much more. Law students often get upset about this, and maybe they're right, but there is another side.
As to pandering I think you may have a point, but I covered that by speaking to context. It was a conference about violence against women. Don't you care about that problem too? Gosh, we get the same complaining when people argue about which genocide was worse. Your point of child victims is just that, as if you suddenly concede all points and pander to the child-centric cultural norm that children are actually more important than adults. Maybe. Should I get bent out of shape because you dare to consider that someone other than the dead soldier might suffer much more?
Children suffer lost limbs, PTSD, rape and torture in war torn areas too. Some watch as their loved ones are killed and then forced to be child soldiers. If you were in another country at a conference about violence against children and working to address these problems, would it "pandering" to focus on it?
If H Clinton was only pandering for votes are you just pandering for karma? Is it really that simple?
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[–]ConsAtty 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
From "primary" you get that she was dismissive, lying, and spitting in the faces of live and dead vets? Then guess how non-soldiers who've been the victims of horrific war crimes feel when a leader finally acknowledges them.
[–]TheGDBatman 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are all non-soldiers women? Or is it just that in war-torn countries, the men are forced into fighting? And how could that possibly be better than what the women face?
[–]madarapt1 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Death. Violent death. > emotional and financial struggles.
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[–]FiremanJack 39 points40 points41 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't hate women, buddy. In the same way you shouldn't hate Germans for the actions of the Schutzstaffel.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh hey it's that guy constantly spouting sexist shit and somehow hasn't been banned yet
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I just messaged the moderators about him.
We can't have people like that here, if anyone comes here from a neutral stance it will totally cloud the real message behind MRA
[+][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Neckbeard_The_Great 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If we suggest false flag every time we get a bigot in here, the term will stop being taken seriously.
[–]TheGDBatman 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
a lot not many
a lot
not many
What the green fluffy fuck are you on?
[–][deleted] 85 points86 points87 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men lose their brothers and sons and fathers too. They also lose their feet, hands, legs, their arms, their eyes, their homes, their children, their wives and their sanity. Oh yeah, they also lose their lives too.
War sucks for everyone. Women suffer, men suffer, children suffer, nations suffer. I understand wanting to point out how war affects women but to make a judgement about who suffers more is idiotic. After all, if living through war was worse, those women could always kill themselves. Ask how many of those women would rather be dead and you'll get your answer about who the primary victims are.
[–]rawbface 35 points36 points37 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My hand just uncontrollably lifted itself off the mouse and sprawled itself across the right side of my face...
[–][deleted] 68 points69 points70 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, i mean come on, men are obviously disposable
[–]Zhangar 51 points52 points53 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Full paragraph:
The experience that you have gone through is in many ways comparable to what happens with domestic violence. Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. Women are again the victims in crime and domestic violence as well. Throughout our hemisphere we have an epidemic of violence against women, even though there is no longer any organized warfare that puts women in the direct line of combat. But domestic violence is now recognized as being the most pervasive human rights violation in the world. Here in El Salvador, according to the statistics gathered by your government, 1 in 6 women have been sexually assaulted and the number of domestic abuse complaints at just one agency topped 10,000 last year. Between 25 and 50 percent of women throughout Latin America have reportedly been victims of domestic violence.
[–]saint2e 30 points31 points32 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What this says to me with the added context is that women assuming responsibility makes then victims.
[–]dicaparly 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like putting it into context, but the context doesn't make it any better. It actually makes it worse. Domestic violence affects men too, men are also displaced as refugees, etc. Women aren't the only ones who face these problems. My mom was a domestic violence victim, but so was I. I was also the victim of violence perpetrated by women, at school. Guess who got punished and who got rewarded for standing up for themselves?
[–]mechesh 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, if there are so many men abusing women, than wouldn't being widowed be a good thing?
[+]rpggame -48 points-47 points-46 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wow. this should be the top comment. submitter was trying to stir up something or trolling. There enough real issues without having to manufacture outrage.
sigh
[–]Mitthrawnuruodo1337 47 points48 points49 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree that putting things in context is always good, but I'm not sure how the full context really any better. None of that (in war) is nearly as bad as, you know, dying horribly en masse. She's still trying to say women have it worse in direct contrast to men (again, in war), and then using that as justification ye olde tired DV arguments.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try to explain why the context makes the line look any better. The only thing that she does is explain why, supposedly, women are the primary victims of war. It follows this logic = If you are dead, there's no suffering. That's true, but you are still dead, you can't get more of a victim than that.
[–]getfuckingreal 34 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This could be our next president people...
[–]rljkeimig 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Aren't you overjoyed at the prospect? I know I am. /s
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She might win the general if she gets there, but I have a hunch she'll lose in primaries.
[–]itchybrain 62 points63 points64 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
pls america, do not elect this person. pls.
[–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
There's nothing you can do.
America wanted it's first black president. Now they find out that if you strip away his race, he's nothing but another politician.
America's probably looking for it's first female president now. Let them elect her. Then they can find out, the HARD way, that if you strip away her gender she's nothing but another politician.
[–]mechesh 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is the "I am a part of history" effect. (don't know if that is an actual thing, but that is what I call it.)
People wanted to vote for the first black president. it makes them feel good to be a part of history. Now, those same people might have the opportunity to vote for the first black president and the first woman president.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also other candidates were even worse than Obama.
[–]Phoxxent -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
The problem is that she is just like the current guy. If we elect her, there won't be an America anymore, or, at least not the America that let the Irish come in when they didn't have potatoes, not the America that essentially created the computer age. No, that America will be long gone, there will be no tolerance for dissenting ideas, no allowance for free thinking.
[–]dicaparly 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
This has been happening for a long time, and its the fault of the last several presidents. Race, gender, party affiliation, none of that matters because they all had a hand in putting us where we are today, not to mention that it wasn't the president alone who made this, it was also congress and the supreme court. It doesn't really matter who we put in office because in the end, we'll only end up the losers. I had a lot of hope for Obama, and I thought he would finally fix some (not all, not many, but a few) of our problems, and instead he just created more. (And by that I mean him and every congressperson who we elected during his presidency.)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Try telling that to the people who will be awash in "History Making" when Hillary runs as the "First Female President".
[–]dicaparly 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't matter. I doubt whoever opposes her would be any better. Personally, I vote for whoever shows the most promise, and has the best track record. But oh well.
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[–]dicaparly 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do you think the European voting system is better? I'm not being condescending, I want to know what people think is a good alternative. for me, any other system is better than ours. I can't remember who this quote is attributed to but
it is said that democracy is the worst form of government, except that all the others have been tried.
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[–]dicaparly 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's why I'm asking which alternative system you would prefer. My comment on democracy is that all the systems have their own problems, its just a matter of finding the one with the best chance of reflecting the will of the people.
[–]Phoxxent 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right. It wasn't Obama alone, but he could have stopped a lot of this, but he instead just spearheaded our race to the bottom. If you've ever watched "2016, Obama's America", it seems that he legitimately thinks that this is the right direction.
[–]HealingCare -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The results were pretty much 50/50 the last time, yeah? It doesn't actually seem to matter if the votes are that close.
[–]miaSissy 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I cannot believe the temerity of this image.
[–]Seph1roth17 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the new vocab word: excessive confidence or boldness; audacity for those who also didn't know.
[–]iMADEthis2post 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That really was the most horrifically stupid thing to say. I fully expect her to be the next president too.
[–]chasemyers 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those stupid men only lost their lives, who cares? Poor women.
[–]CobraCornelius 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
all kinds of awful
[–]JaydenPope 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Because fuck the dudes that sacrificed their lives to make the world a safer place it's just women, only women that are victims not the dead that volunteered to go fight.
[–]Space_Ninja 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Or the dead that got volunteered against their will.
How many bitched died storming the beaches of Normandy? Fucking none.
[–]JaydenPope 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
That person may be your next president. God bless sexism.
[–]Space_Ninja 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I rather vote for Sarah Palin, and I say this with peace and love as a liberal minded individual. I rather we ALL lose than to see feminism get a win.
[–]JaydenPope 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Well looking at how feminism is corrupting the US, a feminist president would just be a topper on the cake. Sweden 2.0
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
HEY FUCKTARD! No one insults glorious big brother Sweden except Scandinavians! and Finns
[–]BananaBork 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What exactly do you mean by "Sweden 2.0"?
[–]BananaBork 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Sorry mate, this is all pretty much bullshit. I live in Sweden (originally British) and I feel that the equality is great for me here as a male. Just because you find some propaganda video from a fringe group about dancing over a dead body? So what, I can find 100 of those from America.
Things are not "fucked up". Maybe you should actually experience a country before you pass judgement based on a few provocative nonsense videos. You are just trying to find problems with this system that the vast majority are perfectly happy with.
Gender equality isn't the enemy of men's rights. Quite the opposite - it is exactly what we should be after.
Edit: you are obviously very interested in Scandinavia and its culture of equality, so if you would like to ask some questions to someone who views the insides of the country as an outsider, I would be happy to answer
[–]BananaBork 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And the situation for equal rights in Sweden is better than anywhere I have ever visited. There is even benefit for men in aspects such male maternity leave and the self-sufficiency of women. This is the sort of society that we should be enshrining, not demonising.
[–]Mysmonstret 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do elaborate, does Sweden have a feminist president?
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[–]Space_Ninja 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can I have a huge?
A tiny is all I can give. hugs
But yeah, it's hard (lel my struggles) being a liberal knowing that I'm sharing a tent with those lunatics. See, I'm 100% for equality... actual equality, and not this ridiculous power struggle between men and women that feminist seem to be focused on these days.
[–]Martothir 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know, I think the men who die and are horribly maimed and mutilated for life by the thousands have it pretty bad off. While watching their comrades die around them. And it's not like a father has never lost a son to war.
Not saying women don't suffer as well, but it's absurd I think to compare losing someone to actually losing one's own life.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This reminds me of something a teacher said a few months ago that got on my nerves. We were talking about some Greek play where the men had to go to war and when they came home the women were going to refuse sex with them (it was a comedy) and my teacher started going on about how they men had it so much better since they got to go to war and the woman were oppressed because they had to stay at home with their kids.
[–]Kilnaga 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lysistrata is hilarious. It involves most of the characters running around stage wearing giant leather phalluses.
The Bacchae? I remember that from college. It was so silly.
[–]WilhelmYx 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Still the dumbest quote I've ever had the misfortune of hearing since I first encountered it several years ago and I doubt anything will ever top it.
[–]Space_Ninja 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Poor women! They lose their meal tickets when their husbands perish in war. Boo hoo! They're gonna have to work for a living now, how awful for them!
[–]unbiasedpropaganda 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Failing to see how you can be more victimized than losing your FUCKING LIFE. What a bitch.
[–]ThePigmanAgain 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm waiting till 2016 before crapping all over H.C.
[–]Indicudaway 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not going to condemn her without context. Anyone have the source
[–]frakistan[S] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html
credit:Mitthrawnuruodo1337
[–]HalfysReddit 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hilary Clinton is a pretentious asshole. Doesn't surprise me she'd say some ignorant shit like this.
[–]iongantas 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This quote alone is why that cunt should never be president.
[–]Johnny_Gage 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree with what you are saying, but I would avoid using terms like 'cunt' (as fitting as it is) in the future as it undermines the real message, and any neutral person or someone on the fence about agreeing with MRAs will take it as 'these dudes are fucking assholes'.
EDIT: fucking assholes as in jerks, not fucking assholes as in the Tumblrina 'everyone-is-gender-fluid-don't-fight-the-natural-urge-to-have-gay-sex' type way.
[–]TheGDBatman 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry, but "fucking assholes" implies violence against the gay community.
/s
[–]AryaBarzan 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just remember this when we the voting polls come up in a couple years. I personally think it should be the full intiative of every single MRA/egalitarian to ensure Hillary Clinton doesn't get elected.
[–]mtux96 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's pretty safe to say she won't get my vote but that is for other reasons. If the Republicans don't put up anyone good, looks like I'll be voting third party once again.
[–]Meistermalkav 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am happy that as many of you promise to vote at all.
Last I checked, the prevailing opinion was "I don't need to vote at all, it just gets in my way of complaining. "
Lets hope when they require blood from your thirdborn as a voting ID, you will still continue with that promise to vote, no matter what.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hillary Clinton is a dull human being
[–]baskandpurr 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It's terrible. Those poor women lose their husbands and sons. Now where will they get money from? They might even have to work! /s
[+][deleted] -14 points-13 points-12 points 12 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Theres nothing at all backwards or sexist about making statements like this. shouldn't a sub-reddit advocating mens rights be about equality not shouting why your side is better? you sound like a whiny feminist on the other side of the extreme.
Edit: this sub is a complete joke. what a surprise
[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Ok, assuming pure equality, would you rather lose your job or your life in war?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
how does that have anything to do with what i said..........?
[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You mentioned equality. While it is tragic that women lose a loved one, it is not equally tragic as losing ones life. Doubly so when women do not want to enter combat. Therefore, making it seem like women are the real victims is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. It merits no retort except scathing sarcasm, at which you bitch.
I suppose I should have expected this sub to be overrun by twats who can't be bothered to put in the work of actually understanding the problem.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
i never said there wasnt a problem. and i never said there was equality in the expectations of men and war. i said making statements like "oh maybe women will have to work for a change" is sexist and backwards just the same. you dont seem to realize equality goes two ways.
[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
"oh maybe women will have to work for a change" is sexist and backwards just the same. you dont seem to realize equality goes two ways.
How so? If men die in wars, and women want equality, we can have them die in wars, too.
How is that sexist? We are letting women do what is traditionally a mans job - dying in war. That is equality. If women want it, they have it.
Unless your suggesting that men not have to go into combat either? That utopian dream will never happen. Even combat drones won't stop humans from fighting.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
this is like talking to a brick wall
[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree.
Seems you don't understand what equality is. and from your argument I can only assume you are a sexist white knight, who's desire is for women to be protected from the reality by a wall of men's corpses. And yet, you are somewhere safe enough to argue on the internet instead of giving your life for women.
Let me dumb that last paragraph down for you: You lack the courage of your convictions.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
my original statement had nothing to do with the inequality of expectations of men and women in war, you unbelievably thick dipshit. yes, men are asked a lot more of women when it comes to war and its unfair, i knew that before your last 3 boneheaded replies. that has nothing to do with my original point, nothing. go read it again because youre clearly confused.
[–]lanternkeeper 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Casualties of war =/= victims. Ah, I get it now, thanks, Hillary!
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As someone with family members who fought in Stalingrad: Fuck you.
[–]Emperor_NOPEolean 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
'Cause, you know, the actually guy dying doesn't matter.
[–]qtyapa 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Go home Hillary, you are drunk on that expensive wine of yours.
[–]Romito55 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, anyone who would agree with whatever Hilary Clinton has to say probably wasn't very smart to begin with.
[–]unbannable9412 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You want proof the Clintons are slimy?
Research Jim Guy Tucker and how his last governance in AR went.
[–]consummateV 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not only did she lose the primary election, she also lost the definition of "primary."
[–]Darkenmal 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men have always been in the primary victims of war... you know, because they are the ones fighting the war while the woman 'fight' from the home front.
Much better, amirite? /s
Time to send women to war, see how they like it, empty tart.
[–]arcainic 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well to be fair, if your dead you're pretty much beyond caring.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What bullshit. If women were sent to war instead of men, you can bet your ass she'd be still saying women are the victim.
[–]Amkorane -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So a man that looses a son, father, friend or brother can go fuck himself.
[–]manhater -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hillary has made many sexist statements and is viewed by many in the feminist movement as a "rape enabler". I tend to agree with them in their views that she is an embodiment of the "war on women", trying to pretend that she is supporting women, while at the same time disempowering them by forcing them into a specific gender roles, like "not being soldiers", and "being victims".
The Clintons are a just a couple of CIA douchebags who need to be removed from our government, along with the rest of them.
[+][deleted] -27 points-26 points-25 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
A quick google search reveals there is no source for this quote, making it very dubious that Clinton actually said it. It doesn't even make sense. It exists to piss people off.
[–]restlessEternity 42 points43 points44 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She said it in the conference on domestic violence in San Salvador in 1998, at least Wikipedia thinks she did http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html Here's a link to the full speech
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks. I searched for a slightly different phrasing, and absolutely came up. Still, it makes more sense in context
[–]duglock 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Speech is well documented and on video.
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here's the speech she delivered.
[+]Zhangar -14 points-13 points-12 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Will you assholes please stop downvoting people asking for source? I had to show this comment just to find source.
[–]bat_mayn 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They didn't just ask for a source, they outright claimed it was a hoax, deliberately made to "piss people off".
[+]Zhangar -17 points-16 points-15 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They assumed it was a hoax, because they searched on Google. I would have thought so too, and even though the comment was harsh, it wasnt uncalled for.
[–]UglierThanMoe[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They assumed it was a hoax, because they searched on Google
So anything you can't find on Google is a hoax, false, or an ouright lie? Oh, boy...
[–]Prototypexx 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's not so much the asking for it, but the claiming it doesn't exist.
[+]Zhangar -14 points-13 points-12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Because he couldnt find it.
[–]Prototypexx 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, and the difference there is, when I say I can't find something, I say I can't find it, rather than saying it doesn't exist.
And the bit about it existing to piss people off was unnecessary. Either way, I abstained from both upvotes and downvotes. The tone of the comment is clear, however.
[+]Jlones -24 points-23 points-22 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Paging doctor taking stuff out of context. I repeat, Doctor no context to this post. Good job at turning the sub into a manhunt.
[–]robesta 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Please, try to explain intelligently how that quote was misleading.
I read the quote in its entirety and while it was a segue into talking about the domestic violence, she wasn't saying what she said tongue in cheek. The women are victims of war because they lost their sons and husbands, not the sons and husbands who lost their lives .
[–]Jlones 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I actually just looked up when this was said and I was completely wrong... My bad. yeah that does seem really stupid that she would say that. I'm never commenting on the internet again
[–]Jlones -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's been a while since I lost saw this but I believe she was talking about something else altogether. That and I just figured out I have been spelling segue wrong my entire life.
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