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[–]ImJustSo 97 points98 points99 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I agree with everything, but advice to guys about sunglasses. Just pretend they're eyes and make "eye contact". Usually a woman will hold eye contact behind the glasses, thinking they're safe knowing you can't see their eyes.
It has the same effect on the women though and a lot of times I'll get a sly ass smirk from women in sunglasses. My confidence to look at sunglasses instead of eyes seems to win some of them over with just a look!
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes! Great advice. I've edited that segment and attributed credit :)
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[–]snf3210 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wear them EVERYWERE but I often feel like it puts a "barrier" up, or that the fact that they can't see your eyes it makes it more impersonal. Thoughts?
[–]ImJustSo 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Aviators got girls more flirty with me. All I'd do is raise my eyebrow once and instantly a girl is all chipper and bouncing around, speaking in flirty tones and I'm thinking, "Huh....I literally did nothing for this. AWESOME!"
Aviators don't work with my beard currently. :(
[–]ThaChippa 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh, oh, hold on, wait... I got somethin' for that... hold on... ahhh...
[–]ImBadWithGrils 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'm a guy and I wear sunglasses so I don't squint or have my pupils dilate when I go in a building
[–]ImJustSo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Me too, so I usually turn muy head toward women so they don't I'm looking, then I smile. I figure if I like it when girls do it to me, then I'll do it back.
[–]ImBadWithGrils 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I just don't look at anyone on purpose lmao, if I do make eye contact with a girl I try and smirk but usually just have a dead stare because I'm zoned out
[–]ImJustSo 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Zone out with a relaxed jaw and eyes, like if you were feeling sunlight when your skin is cold. Pleasant face.
[–]TimHatesChoosingName 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can you please elaborate on that?
[–]ImJustSo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do the opposite of resting dick face, then keep not doing resting dick face.
Tension in the muscles around your eyes give away your emotional state. The difference between a real smile and a smile that says, "I will fucking murder you!" is the eyes. If people can tell the subtle differences in a smile, then why not focus on something simple, like relaxing your eyes and thinking pleasant things?
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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
it's not a clear sign. she could be nervous or purposefully avoiding eye contact to not appear thirsty.
These are general guides but nuance is a thing. You need experience to recognize the above caveats. At the end of the day, if you want to approach, approach. Nothing stopping you.
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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They're intimidated. This is not a bad thing. Intimidation can be sexy. In fact, the most dangerous potential threat to a woman is also the most intoxicating thing to a woman. She wants to be with the toughest, hottest mufucka she can get. It's your job to tone down the intimidation enough that she feels safe because she knows you wont turn that aggression to her, except for in a consensual sexual encounter (and thats when she'll love it. You being big and intimidating helps make this even hotter to her).
You have a gift. Use it. I have your opposite problem. I'm 5'8" and had to make myself more tough/intimidating. I'd take your problem in a heartbeat.
Become a warm teddy bear with warm eyes, because so long as you have strong body language, she'll never forget that you're also a monster who could fuck her tiny little brains out.
Also, there has never been a better time for interracial sex. I fuck with mostly white girls and being Latin makes me exotic.
Like I said, use your gift.
[–]LimitedContributor 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm in the same group as Z-cut. A bit short but also with progression of body tone. I seen some killer women of my ethnicity who I want to be with. I wouldn't mind experimenting with an Asian or Euro though. I'm interested in their potential.
Euros with thickness are a must have for me and Asians most of the time have nice faces. Also, I like how they pull off making a slim body sexy.
I'm really not into slim chicks otherwise.
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[–]Edgar_Allan_Rich 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Your first problem may be that you have free time during the day to be gaming. Go live your life.
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[–]snf3210 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Lunch break is great for daytime. Walks are great for you, it's de-stressing, and you might run into somebody along the way. A lot of daytime game concept is that you're just going about your own thing and you happen to run into people which creates opportunities.
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[–]snf3210 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I think if it's a pretty universal response, I would re-examine if it's something about yourself - maybe you're intimidating like you said (which can be a good thing if you work it right)
You have a gift. Use it.
I would look more into this, if you look super badass this can make them shut down or act timid. What happens when you DO approach? Is your body language "friendly" to offset your large frame?
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[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Even most handsome guy will be rejected more than 4/5 times when he approaching in daygame. Because girls less interested to invest their time to new guy when they have other things to do, or if they rarely doing so. Your looks means much less than your ability to give first impression with your strong frame.
[–]Edgar_Allan_Rich 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Work on it. Inner game, posture, hair, clothes, facial & body language; all improvable and what draw attention.
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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are very welcome!
[–]DirkDieGurke 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This is the first thing all guys should learn. Even clueless newbs can hookup if they realize that a girl is wanting them to approach.
Anybody hating on these tips, you're a shitty salesman. Good salesmen spend their valuable time on good leads. More time focusing on a few girls with interest beats spending your time on tons of disinterested females.
[–]greenlittleman 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Have you thought about what will happen after clueless newbs would be rejected even after thinking a girl wanting him?
Disinterested females build your momentum and making your frame stronger, moreover you'll spent more time on one girl who will reject you after 3+ hours of interactions, than 50 approaches in 2 hours.
[–]DirkDieGurke 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You're missing the point that those crazy once in a lifetime opportunities are missed because a guy didn't realize that a girl was interested in him.
Yes, a newb will probably mess it up anyways, but sometimes he scores no matter how unexperienced he is just because he made the attempt.
[–]greenlittleman 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm definitely lose this point because it doesn't matter unless want to stay a newby forever. Approach is simplest part of interactions, you'll have much more chances to screw up in latter parts. There is no "lifetime opportunities" if you'll do even 1000 approaches in your entire life, let alone 10 000. After first few tens of girls you wouldn't care about "opportunities" you missed. And if you would only approach girls who gives you invitations, then your progress would be slow as fuck. But most important thing - in most cases you wouldn't start approaching girls just because you know they are interested. This is wrong road for PUA, unless you are experienced guy with skills who just too lazy to approach all the girls.
[–]DirkDieGurke 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As an example, Zan Perrion only approaches women that give him eye contact or smile. He says this specifically.
[–]greenlittleman 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You can do the same when you'll be on pro level and would be too lazy to do many approaches because you have 95% get laid rate with the girls who are interested enough to be leaded by you from beginning of interaction. Though I'm not sure about Zan Perrion results, I'm more trust people who are not trying to sale me something. I'm usually listen to ordinary guys who slept with 100+ women BUT don't try to sell me another super-duper course, or even don't have their own site/blog. Zan Perrion was mentioned in the Game - one of the most popular promotional book in PUA world. For example David X, who was described like a powerful PUA by Strauss, have A LOT of very negative reviews and his books just motivational BS which have nothing to do with reality.
Those Invitations and fuck-offs just make it more probable or less probable for you to get laid, but they don't guarantee anything at all. Maybe around 10-20% of difference between them.
[–]ImJustSo 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Oh, I just remembered one huge indicator from bold women. At least, this "move" always seems very bold.
If a woman is passing you anywhere and "falls" onto you, grabs you, and very clearly appears there's no reason for it, she'll look up and say, "ooops" all cute like. Maybe apologize, but she'll look right into your soul, while smiling, and it never seems sincere.
They know what they're doing. Women literally can fall into your lap, on accident, but yeah naw...women that Hector labels "fuck offs" would never let herself get close enough to you to fall on you.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes! I don't know how I missed this one. It's huge and it's never a mistake. Girls are too aware to do that by accident.
Very good stuff!
[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can add here ANY contact initiated by woman, including asking road or time. But those are so rare that you can ignore such situations.
[–]ImJustSo 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude! exactly! Ok, well sometimes it seems spur of the moment, but many times it's very aggressive.
[–]snf3210 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are you supposed to give them a hard/funny time about being obvious or just play it off?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't believe this happens.
[–]ImJustSo 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's happened to me at least 8 times. One of those times it was a super hot Asian girl at a summer festival that oops'd off of the bleachers right above me. As she was falling she also accidentally punched my lady in the face.
Then she smiled at me and said, "Ooops!"
It happens most in places where dancing and drinking is going on, but I've had women do it on the bus in broad daylight, too. That particular woman took me by surprise and I've never been touched so many times in such a short period of time by a total stranger, unless it was TSA. On the bus she pressed her entire body the length of mine from behind, when I moved away, then she moved forward. Getting off the bus, she grabbed my hand and oops'd into me, straddling my leg and grabbing my shoulders.
We separated finally and I walked the other direction, when I stopped to gain my bearings the woman slammed into me again. It was at this point that I discovered the "oops", because she said it again and did it again and smiled again.
It clicked in my head right then, every woman that had done this to me all wanted what she wanted.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Where do you live?
[–]ImJustSo -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Milwaukee
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How tall are you?
[–]ImJustSo 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
6ft, teehee, and I'm wearing pink panties.
[–]TAKEtheUPBOAT 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Give her your chicken.
[–]redditaccountant 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What about a goat?
[–]SWEETTART58 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
more great tips- thanks hector- really appreciate your time and insight-
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're very welcome! :)
[–]oatorres 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Neat!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So just approach? Though the neck exposed thing I see girls do a fair bit for me so I'm wondering if I'm doing it wrong.
[–]Versecker 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have a question. I'm asian and I live in a Latin American country. I'd say I'm like a 7/8, and have a reputation of being pretty smart but not nerdy at all. I also crack a lot of jokes during class. Anyway, if a girl is making eye contact with me is it because I'm the only asian in a 30-student classroom or because she actually finds me attractive? Genuine question.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Both. You're different. Use the exotic factor to your advantage. If you ever want to know if something is an invitation, talk to her and see if she responds well. If she does, it was an invitation.
[–]-Sag2 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You sir, are fucking awesome. I'll take heavy note of this, and save the post.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Amazing list, especially the Approach Invitations! I will print this out and look into it daily.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you, Zeus! go forth and impregnate!
[–]Luffydude 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If she's wearing sunglasses or headphones
Fuck that, majority of girls in the city will be on their phone with headphones and possibly on a call. Don't miss out, just go in and say hi
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If you read it again, I didn't say don't approach, I said it's a barrier and that "only the ballsiest men will approach." Doesn't change the fact that it's still a passive "fuck you" and a screening tool.
[–]snf3210 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't return eye-contact as you pass each other.
I've gotten this a lot but they often turned out to be quite receptive and conversational. I think a lot just don't like to make contact from nearby, it can seem intense or overly-communicative. TLDR not necessarily a dealbreaker
[–]Vektor101 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great post! This is a goldmine for beginners like me, thank you for taking the time to put so much effort into it.
[–]seduction_reaction 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Welp!!
I've personally seen all the fuck off signals but never any approach signals.
Sigh
[–]ghostreconx 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
rule no.1 : be attractive
[–]seduction_reaction 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. This cliche is getting annoying
[–]Dr_4gon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's funny how approaching Women is something that didn't change in all the years being civilized , since at the end it all comes down to instinct still (if i get this correctly)
This was a interesting read. And fun.
I also noticed that, girls that were the epitome of what I'm attracted to were patient when I approached them.
Its amazing.
[–]phendo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great post!
What if she looks multiple times from far away?
yes. approach
[–]Futurebrain 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd agree with most of these, however, people need to keep perspective on glances. If you are flat out staring at someone, it's likely that they'll glance at you a few times, if they notice it, just to see if you are still staring at them. There's a fine line between an interested glance and a "why the fuck is this dude staring at me" glance. I've always practiced this with the contingent that they glance or make eye contact unprovoked. Of course if my owen wilson ringtone goes off loudly in a quiet cafe I'm going to get some glances, but they aren't necesarily indicators of interest. The best indicator I've found is if they return a smile, they're interested.
[–]ThotBubble 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not to be corny but JUST DO IT ... even if she turns you down then go tot the next one you can’t miss every shot you take
I've actually missed so many opportunities and I never see the girl again :/ Really good advice
[–]SyrusDrake 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't comment on the inviting signs but I get the fuck-off signs at least several times a day so I guess you're onto something at least there.
[–]Not_unique_enuf 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay I get what is being put here and I appreciate it. But most women I been with didn't "invite" me. They literally had fuck off faces. As soon as I opened with a compliment they changed their whole demeanor. This just seems another way to pass up an opportunity for newbies. "Oh she had a fuck off face. So I didn't approach"......For average looking men like me most women have "fuck off" faces.
[–]aliarz 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
About the second point of the approach invitation.
You are talking about direct eyes contact or while you are not looking at her?
There is a girl at gym that look at me sometimes and she happened a couple of times that she got the treadmill leaving a space between her and her friend. Sadly is not so easy approach as she is with her most of the time.
When you await "invitations" you automatically in her frame and lose your own. If you are beginner, then even if she gives you an "invitation" it wouldn't really make you easier to approach, on the other hand it would hit you more when you are rejected (and more often than not you'll be, because there is never a guaranty to get laid). If you are not beginner, then there is no reason to lose the frame and await better opportunity.
People like this post because they are still in a frame "I need you to like me, like me please, please, please" and so they want to know who will like them with more probability at least at approach stage.
[–]Turlast 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for posting this.
[–]AragorntheMighty 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hi! Could you do a continuation of this post but this time talk about "A list of Good Ways To Approach." l got a lot from this man thanks.
Oh hell yes I will :)
Reminder though that none of this applies if a woman is very shy! Many give off fuck off body language and motions if they do like you, so they can be tough to read.
[–]TonyDCoaching 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah everything but the glasses and headphones. I meet women with both of these all the time and have had clients do it hundreds of times. Not a big deal. Excellent post.
Right you can work around it but it is still a barrier. But happy to hear you and your dudes are getting around it:)
cheers
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So basically a woman is either 100% interested or not interested in fucking. She can't just be walking at any given time?
[–]Edgar_Allan_Rich 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
From the perspective of the initiator, yes. This is exactly how we have to look at it if we are trying to pick up women. When we aren't trying to pick up women we aren't thinking this way at all. From the perspective of women, who are generally passive and not expected to initiate, of course they are just living their lives. But they are also communicating at the same time. Everyone does it. For example, most people give the 'fuck off' queues to bums when we know they are going to approach us for money, but we aren't thinking about it.
Nice try at starting an argument though.
I wasn't trying to start an argument. I just thought it was funny that OP is basically saying that anything a woman does on a sidewalk points towards whether or not she'll have sex with ypu
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That's not what I said.
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[–]iamtrogdor47 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"Looks at you for more than 1.5 seconds."
This could not make me more angry. How the FUCK is that supposed to be any kind of indication whatsoever. If this is true, which everyone here seems to agree it is, this is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life. It makes me really wish I were gay because if women are truly THAT indirect and deceitful then I may as well kill myself before having any hope of understanding them. I think I'm starting to understand why people go on /r/incels
breathe, man. breathe
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