If this is the new women’s movement, it’s no wonder girls don’t want to call themselves ‘feminists’

evil-doer · 2014-04-15T18:21:10+00:00

Shows how spineless the universities are to these students. There should be serious consequences put down for this, shutting down a conversation because it didn't conform to your ideals and your predetermined ideas is foolish.

It's hilariously pathetic that they said it was "harming men" for Janice Fiamengo to speak on men's issues when they were harming men by trying to silence her.

that_nagger_guy · 2014-04-16T01:02:20+00:00

The fire alarm went off? Where have I heard of that happening before. Oh I know! It happens every time someone is doing a presentation the feminists don't like! These people are absolutely disgusting.

QueenSpicy · 2014-04-15T20:00:47+00:00

I think this shows more critique on how University has become the new high school, and no longer a place of higher learning. The heart of the rape culture issue, isn't that it exists, it's that Universities are given an incentive to misrepresent their statistics in order to look better. It is easier, and more publicly accepted to just kick a student who is accused of rape out of school, rather than seem sympathetic to justice and honesty.

I in no way mean to suggest that women are the thing that is bringing down the institution, as there are many women capable of contributing. Yet, there is a somewhat childish element to how political correctness has run amuck throughout society, and this is the outcome. I don't blame them for acting like this, but there is a certain degree of liability on the rules that have been created due to feminism to make their actions somehow not punishable. Ideas are critiqued through public opinion, and when things don't matter, no one pays attention. This backlash does nothing but add to the legitimacy of CAFE, and other movements.

Some people are threatened by ideas, but honestly I don't even think about a lot of them. They hold so little merit, or I have accepted their dishonesty in representation, that it does not require discussion. Libertarians have been a rising movement due to the breach of civil liberties, and they like to blame Marxism, in association with feminism. Please remember that feminism is built off of misrepresented facts, and blind followers. Don't over generalize the people, but the ideas.

tl;dr University bureaucracy has been molded by feminism, and is the reason this was allowed to happen. Don't hate the people, hate the actions and ideas. Don't stoop to their level and mud-sling. For every situation like this, hundreds protest, but a select few change their minds. We are here for those few, and we disregard the arrogant masses. Don't lose sight of the real goal here; we are meant to be an inclusive group, not an exclusive.

CaptSnap · 2014-04-15T20:52:50+00:00

This isnt just an indictment on feminism's vitriolic ideology spread at universities, its starting to become an indictment against Canadian institutions of higher learning. This is the third such event. At some point we are no longer looking at a microcosm, a small deviation, or an outlier. Sooner or later we're going to have to accept that this is normalized and at that point, prospective students should be questioning what passes for scholarship in Canada if this is the way its students handle contrary ideas. Sooner or later others, such as legislators and tax payers and other academics, are going to notice what feminism has done to the marketplace of ideas and they are going to be embrazened and ask some pretty tough questions. And thats not going to go well. See the problem with building a house of cards to sway morons, the problem with building a house on shady statistics and feels and basically hate, is it bends under scrutiny; it falls under debate. But even then not everyone will be able to notice, at least thats my experience debating some of these issues. Sometimes a magician can mess a trick but still hold the audience. See with this its hard to keep screeching about patriarchy and male system oppression when men cant even talk about suicide. Even the morons that swallow the 77 cents pay myth are starting to see the veneer peeling off the card trick. Im not a magician but Ive been to enough magic acts to know that the act is almost over when the cards fall off the table and the audience loses interest.

Which Im not saying all feminists or morons or all canadian universities churn out students that act like monkeys when presented with just the possibility of a contrary viewpoint. I mean they dont actually throw feces in the videos.

Kolperz · 2014-04-16T03:57:32+00:00

Posted this to my FB page, along with the following text:

One of the sci-fi shows I like to watch is called "Continuum". It's about a LEO and some fugitives from 2070 or so, who travel back in time to today. The future they come from is one where liberties are extremely restricted, but everyone is "safe". Corporations are the government (they have a "corporate congress", etc.)

The scary thing, is that in a recent episode of the show, the LEO remarks something along the lines of "That's how it all started. Shutting down ideas and dissenting opinions, it started with the college campuses."

While this article particularly stabs at crazy bra-burning feminists, the overall thing to point out here is that ideas mustn't be censored. To shut down an idea - especially at a college campus - is one of the most horrifying things a society enjoying free speech can do, and demonstrates fear of the idea. Fear that it might be right. Or, perhaps, anger - often a "lid" for negative emotions, including fear.

If you disagree with an idea, engage in civil debate, or move along. But don't try to stop other people from hearing the idea.

AryaBarzan · 2014-04-16T06:41:21+00:00

So... if all of these self-proclaimed "good feminists" NAFALT-ing left and right really believe what they do... where is the feminist blow-back from this incident? Why aren't the supposed "good majority of feminists" demanding that these criminals promoting censorship of paid speakers at universities be named/shamed/reprimanded accordingly?

Oh, could it be that this is what modern feminism actually is?

nlakes · 2014-04-16T09:22:16+00:00

College Feminists are amongst the most bigoted, sexist people you will ever meet in life.

2014-04-15T23:43:46+00:00

This type of mentality is prevalence in all of Ontario's Universities.

Ryerson University's Student Union for example in Toronto has banned ALL groups that focus on men's issues. You cannot form a student group if the group will focus on ANY issues that affect men.

The RSU deemed that any such group is inherently sexist and harmful to LGBT and women..........

The funny thing is who do you guess wanted to great the Men's group? 2 Female and 1 male student........

adorkable93 · 2014-04-16T03:28:34+00:00

The term 'feminism' alone makes me think 'female superiority' not 'equality'. The fact that anyone, regardless of what they were speaking about, was denied the ability to speak is sad. Even if they are wrong (which I'm not saying she is or isn't) when your response to an opposing view is silencing them, all you do is show that you can't actually win a debate against them. If you really disagree with something so strongly, why don't you attempt to refute her stance at the end of the lecture? Or stage a protest that doesn't involve a complete shut down of her presentation? I mean, yeah, without context the lecture title "What does equality have to do with it?" doesn't sound good. But that isn't a reason to silence someone.

On a side note, I know this is off subject and I'm sorry, but is she the lady from the College Liberal meme?

stillSmotPoker1 · 2014-04-15T23:22:34+00:00

They don't earn or deserve respect doing crap like that. I would have listen to their arguments. Now they don't stand a chance in me even listen to them at all. Nor trying to help in any way. To be honest they are late to the mischievous game. Wait and watch it backfire on them hard.

Detox1337 · 2014-04-16T09:27:34+00:00

You want to be really disgusted check out the conversation in the /r/Anarchism reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/22tm44/protestors_shut_down_u_of_o_professors_mens/

Their asses must get jealous of the shit coming out of their mouths.

Roddy0608 · 2014-04-15T21:27:43+00:00

Well, the term, "feminist", is bad enough.

esantipapa · 2014-04-15T19:45:38+00:00

I still can't believe the childish actions of these feminazis. Deep inside they must know they're wrong, so they have to resort to these measures so they can stay in their echo chamber.

kkjdroid · 2014-04-16T06:24:45+00:00

Feminism and coercion are inseparable. The fundamental tenet of feminism is the idea of patriarchy. They believe that women's historical position in society was not the result of natural biological, economic, and social forces. it was the result of a global conspiracy by men to keep women down. The idea that all men would intentionally and maliciously harm women is equivalent to declaring all men sociopaths. In their view, men are natural sociopaths, and it is therefore justifiable to use any means necessary to suppress their organization. This includes misinformation, propaganda, fabrications, threats, coercion, and even violence.

fletch626 · 2014-04-16T14:01:23+00:00

New age feminism is along the same lines of the middle East and Westboro lunatics. Not allowing position views and voices to be heard? Staging demonstrations and disruptions instead of peaceful debate?

uberpower · 2014-04-15T20:42:20+00:00

Nothing new here. They've been this way since forever.

Universities are the least free places for any idea that isn't left of center.

scythe7 · 2014-04-15T23:12:59+00:00

Fucking feminists and their fire alarms again.

Number357 · 2014-04-16T04:38:17+00:00

Ironically, Dr. Fiamengo herself used to be a feminist.

frakistan · 2014-04-16T10:19:46+00:00

The article fails at one place when it tries to equate Professor Janice Fiamengo with a hate monger like Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

reluctantreddituser · 2014-04-16T21:00:33+00:00

Yeah, so the group which protested this talk... the "Revolutionary Student Movement"... isn't a feminist organization. The words "feminism", "female", "women" and "woman" don't even appear anywhere in their published documentation or audio material. They're a Communist organization, and it's evident upon looking at their website that their interest in social issues doesn't extend any further than what can be used to promote Communism or put their organization in the spotlight. Some of their material suggests they're looking for a reason -- any reason -- to cause a disturbance. Their Facebook group even makes references to "trolling" several different events and organizations. And with this in mind, reading the National Post article and a lot of comments here on Reddit, it seems that (fair and rational) feminism is still needed in Canada. Or at least on Reddit, and over at the National Post.

jronca · 2014-04-16T14:20:03+00:00

Does anyone have a text copy of her speech? I would be very interested in reading it.

Arran03 · 2014-04-16T14:52:33+00:00

Silencing dissenting/opposing voices through any means necessary is a time-honored tradition of intolerant, repressive movements, and feminism has long since devolved into just that.

2014-04-16T17:44:33+00:00

25:40 "We are canadian, we are known for something"

well... if you weren't before, now you are.

meatmaeta · 2014-04-16T18:46:30+00:00

DAE feel that the "feminist movement" had been twisted into something other than what it started or as, or what it really should be according to basic sense and definition?

Personally, I feel that hate toward either side of the debate is not constructive and only adding fire to fire. It should be about equality for every human being. Not distortion of any idea/truth/group/image.

The focus should be on real understanding.

Extalionus · 2014-04-15T22:47:38+00:00

Could someone kindly explain it to me how this act is related to feminism? I've read the article and I couldn't really see the connection between feminism and the shameful act that was performed by the some students of university.

Coagulate · 2014-04-16T03:54:17+00:00

Title	If this is the new women’s movement, it’s no wonder girls don’t want to call themselves ‘feminists’
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Upvotes	487
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Date	April 15, 2014 6:08 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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