In older times, the diamond engagement ring (traditionally suppose to cost several months of salary) was seen as a contract between husband and wife.
He would provide for her, giving her a good, well provided for life; so long as she provided for him. Giving him a kept home, a hot dinner and supervised children.
Women have managed to shed the shackles of their end of that old social contract, yet some still feel entitled to 'their diamond ring'; in spite of offering nothing in return of equal value. On top of the moral issues of buying diamonds and the economic issues (diamonds are a worthless rock whose only value is to rub wealth and social-status in the face of others), their are also gender equality issues.
A man cannot enforce his end of that old social contract anymore, yet society still grants women the permission to coerce a diamond engagement ring out of her man. Any man who does not comply with this social-norm can expect to be shamed by the fiancée, her friends and family; as he has failed to 'provide'. Man, yet again, is relegated to an asset to be milked for wealth.
Although this is not a major issue like child custody and the assumptions courts make about men, it's still a cause of asymmetry of rights between men and women. One that should be addressed to achieve true equality.
After considering the above, my question to r/MR is this: should we aim to move society toward expecting women to provide an engagement ring of approximately equal value? Or move away from this practice altogether? What's the cure to this faulty sense of entitlement some women have?
[–]hardwarequestions 18 points19 points20 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Neuromancer4242 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Traktorbek 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ignatiusloyola 16 points17 points18 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]OThomson 0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]OThomson 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]carbonnanotube 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]ignatiusloyola 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]carbonnanotube 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]wnose 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]aetheralloy 21 points22 points23 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]BlackWind13 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]carbonnanotube 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Killkv 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]THEAdrian 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]SageofLightning 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]THEAdrian 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]BinaryShadow 11 points12 points13 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]KRATOSBRAH 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[+][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[permanently deleted]
[–]babno 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]SpeakToTheSky 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Snooves 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Rozeline 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]woofoo -2 points-1 points0 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]Rozeline 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]woofoo -2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Rozeline 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]NiceGuysSTFU 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]chavelah 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]NiceGuysSTFU 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]whatainttaken 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]mwilke 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]kragmoor 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Solo413 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]goomyman 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]zaferk 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]hevo4ever-reddit 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]sunballz -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link