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Stop being so fucking angry at women, its not helping you.

Darkmushy

January 30, 2014
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Title Stop being so fucking angry at women, its not helping you.
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Darkmushy

Upvotes 411
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Date January 30, 2014 11:54 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You've been lied to. You've been deceived. You've been tricked. These are things to be angry about.

So vent. Be angry. And then...get over it. As quickly as possible get over it. You are a great man and it's time to show the world just how great you are.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

vent, but also learn! don't generalize!

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan54 points55 points56 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Bitterness ain't healthy, however anger can be very healthy if channeled into self improvement.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And bottling up anger is no good either, if possible it should be channeled, but for those who just swallowed the pill, it's therpeutic to let it out.

[–]infernalsatan2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wise words indeed

[–]PathToExile-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not anger you are channeling, anything that finds its roots in anger is doomed to fail.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Tell that to Curtis Jackson/50 Cent. Seems like a pretty successful alpha who grew up with a lot of anger.

[–]PathToExile-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He only succeeded when he rose above the anger, if he couldn't control that part of himself (not by channeling it but by forgiving and moving on) he wouldn't have made it because he most likely would be dead.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps you're confusing anger with rage, anger is controllable and can lead to benefit via productivity, rage is not, that is self-consuming and leads to detriment.

An orphan kid growing up without any parents selling coke in school and surviving 9 shots to the face does not become a megastar based on the spiritual energy of being typical or well-rounded or content or happy aka "calm", anger is a cornerstone of his fiber. Happiness and contentment lead to sluggishness and mediocrity.

Simply if you want to become as big as he has, you need to be fucking crazy. Focussing anger or "recycling inherently negative spiritual energy" to energise yourself and supercharge yourself to take the world on is the mental discipline at hand here. Anger is also a fundamental tool of masculinity, I completely reject the notion that people need to "calm their anger" or temper it, only when it reaches rage does one need help. The answer is to channel it and use the energy to ascend, anger is intense spiritual energy and intense energy is power.

Average people of average temperaments have low energy and achieve average things, I would never recommend anybody who wants to be a hero, megastar, 1%er or something truly spectacular to be your average well-rounded docile individual, a jack of all trades is a master of none and it all starts with the mindset.

That's everything I've got to say on this topic.

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points102 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The bitterness is heavy burden to carry and one should drop it when possible. But that anger is not about women - they are merely a conduit for it.

It is not easy to drop it at a whim... as a recovering beta, I still have quite a bit of bitterness and anger towards the women left in me. But in the end, those negative emotions are not about women - it's about the realization that I am not "man enough" for the girls I approached. That countless random strangers got easily something that every atom of my body craved. It's about years of wasted life. It's about valuable resources thrown away. It's about realizing that I need "fixing".

I also respectively disagree that anger is not helping. Anger is a powerful emotion that is there for a reason. New guys should not be quilted for feeling angry. They should embrace the anger and use it as a catalyst in their transformation.

Keep it in check, but use it.

[–]SwordfshII12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect

[–]through_a_ways5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should embrace the anger and use it as a catalyst in their transformation.

We must embrace pain and use it as fuel for our journey

[–]cobalt1728 13 points13 points13 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I use the anger in the gym to deadlift 365 pounds for 6 reps. I get fucking pissed in the Gym and it's great. I am much calmer for the rest of the day because of it. I recommend all recovering nice guys start hitting the gym and lifting heavy, pounding weight.

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points2 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]JohnDoe780 points1 point2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Please don't take lifting advise from this post, pm if needed but this is all wrong.

[–]suscitare0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I tend to agree; the Floating Dick's method is a good way to get injured; aim to work out 3-4 times per week.

[–]sweetleef3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming to the realization that a long-held, basic belief is completely false can be a traumatic experience. Like all traumas, people process them in stages.

Similar to the stages of grief, when confronted with the reality that what they've been taught their whole lives, fundamentals that they've based their belief systems on, are completely wrong, men will commonly go through some form of denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and then finally acceptance.

The intensity and duration of each stage vary, of course, and the lines between them aren't fixed, but you can see this type of general progression in most cases.

All stages are represented here, and it's interesting to watch the commentary and discussion between guys at various stages.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the steps to getting out of the matrix is anger. After a while it subsides.

[–]SwordfshII12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not new.. Im Old... Been here over a year but i still go through periods of anger, it's just part of it

[–]rarlcove35 points36 points37 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

not a support group

Yes and no. I think one of the best things about TRP is that it lets all these guys who have been fucked over by women see that their experience is part of something bigger.

Like I used to think I was all alone, just bitter, and perhaps even crazy because I was the only person I knew who had a problem with our feminist-dominated culture. Finding TRP showed me my story isn't unique and that I'm not just extremely unfortunate to be surrounded by sluts, betas, and white knights, but that this is the natural order and the same everywhere (or at least throughout the US).

So while TRP is about more than just complaining, guys sharing their stories is definitely cathartic and an important part of the process, especially when you consider that this is one of the only places on the Internet that you can talk about these things without getting crucified.

[–]batfish557 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But that's what OP is saying! We shouldn't be pissed at the women. They are doing what their blood is telling them to do. It's the message that we've been fed that we should be angry at. If you give a monkey a gun and the monkey shoots someone, you don't get angry at the monkey. If you give a woman tits and she uses them to her advantage, she never learns character....she never has to.

Lastly, it's lonely at the top. Yea, bitching about your shit seems kinda bitch. But bros will understand, and if it's a valid bitch, will validate. If not, they'll fuckin call you on it. If you bitch to your woman...well, she ain't gonna be your woman much longer. Bros before ho's.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But that's what OP is saying! We shouldn't be pissed at the women.

Right, while true he's just skipping an important part.

The so called ''conversion''. The longer it takes to happen, the more you have to be angry about.

When people learn to ugly truth about something it's ALWAYS nearly the same cycle.

Denial - desperation/bargaining - anger/bitterness - back to normal.

Since we are getting new members, there are a lot of people going through the tunnel.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen. It's an outlet.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The Scorpion and the Frog is an animal fable about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

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[–]1rporion129 points130 points131 points 12 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

Misogyny is in many cases a very much needed tool to provide the necessary aggression to break out of the matrix.

It is usually a temporary phenomenon, because a misogynist sees women as defective men.

Once he gets over that he is merely sexist, not a misogynist.

So, chill dude, its just growing pains and you cant avoid those.

[–]Mightyskunk21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Punch and kick and rage your way out of the box, then calm the fuck down. Sounds like a good rule for getting into TRP.

[–]SomersetRaglan3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

merely sexist,

I believe the proper term is 'essentialist.'

[–]MSoftHarem25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Up you go, son.

[–]lolskaters10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That might be true, but I've seen a lot of posts recently that are clearly not guys being alpha, and they are getting a LOT of upvotes from this community. For example this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1wbe4r/fr_hotgirl_who_rejected_you_realizes_mistake_and/

Now, I'm somewhat new here, but shouldn't this subreddit generally be about men acting like men? What the fuck is this, and how did he get over 200 upvotes?

This guy is nowhere near an alpha male and comes off as socially awkward. Even the young chick in the story that was sitting at his table point blank told him that he looked 'frozen.' Not exactly a guy that even remotely gives off an alpha vibe, yet the story was one of the highest ranked posts this week.

Don't get me wrong, there are some great posts here and some real entertaining stories, but some of the posts that receive praise just baffle my mind.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That might be true, but I've seen a lot of posts recently that are clearly not guys being alpha

They don't fit your definition of alpha, we are not hivemind and even more so not everyone is going to be over the top aplha male. They come in different sizes and volumes, you cant just fit into one mold and be alpha male.

Even the young chick in the story that was sitting at his table point blank told him that he looked 'frozen.'

They could have as well ment that he was being cold and he articulated it wrong.

And even more so, nobody is going to be 100%. While that may not have gone perfect, atleast he did the right thing.

If everyone was 100% alpha male, why would we have this subreddit.

[–]1Jaereth0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he did alright. A chick he was sexually attracted to, who flaked on him first, then realized his resources/social were much higher than her own, tries to come back and lay it on thick? This guy negs her and basically tells her to get lost?

So he may not have looked like a 100% raging alpha male while he did it, but what he did sure as hell isn't what a beta bitch would do.

[–]3trplurker7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Yep just something that happens at the start, before they internalize the concepts. Once it's gone is when the real fun begins.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I think many guys go from loving their idealized version of women, to being angry that women aren't really perfect angels, to loving them again for what they actually are.

Even after trp, I still love women and the way they make me feel. I think it's about forgiving them for their nature.

[–]MSoftHarem56 points57 points58 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

You don't forgive female nature, you accept it. They have done nothing wrong. We, as men, have failed to do our duties. We've failed the societal wide shit test known as feminism. Now we go about picking up the pieces and rebuilding the institution of masculinity, on our terms.

[–]3trplurker32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

You don't forgive female nature, you accept it. They have done nothing wrong.

This is so fucking true. Part of internalizing TRP is realizing that women are women not men without penis's. All the shit they do is part of who they are, we need to learn how to lead and not expect women to change just because someone lied to us about Disney fantasy's.

[–]Kharn024 points25 points26 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The best way I've heard it described here is: "hating women for wanting to be with the best genes is like hating men for liking boobs"

As a boob-lover, this made it all clear.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"hating women for wanting to be with the best genes is like hating men for liking boobs"

I assume this reflects to the alpha fucks part so no, they arent always after the best genes.

Often they just want the ego boost that comes when someone above your weight class is interested.

[–]imsorryiamcanadian0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

they arent always after the best genes.

incorrect. Geoffery Miller explains that not only is there natural selection but sexual selection. So the desirable genes are hunted for.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea no, some girls have sex just to get attention. Nothing to do with genes, things changed when we got contraception.

[–]imsorryiamcanadian-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

please prove me wrong. I provide you an author of many peer-reviewed clinical trials and papers.

and you give me "yea no"

[–]MelodyMyst0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Question... Is it really female nature, or what females have been brainwashed to think in this time and place? I don't think females thought and acted this way throughout history until recently.

[–]3trplurker7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go read up on history then.

What we are seeing today is the law of the jungle reasserting itself. The old rules of society aka "The Patriarchy" served as an artificial restriction on female hypergamy and male polygamy. They created rules where a women following her biological instincts to acquire the best DNA for her future children while also seeking security and protection to raise those children, was shamed. Women were told to marry an "honest, good man" with the definition of "good man" being a man who followed social order and did what was in the tribes / communities best interests. She was still attracted to the dark rogue, the rebel, the man not wanting to following the rules and not wanting to care about society. History is littered with examples of "good women" cheating on their socially accepted "good husband" with the socially unacceptable rogues, so it's not anything new. Just previously she was risking being abandoned by that provider and cast out of society for doing so making it a very dangerous thing to do.

So now to get a women you gotta play by the ancient jungle rules. Be the absolutely best man she perceives she has access to. Be stronger, tougher, smarter and more masculine then any other guy she thinks she can get.

Feminism didn't make women the way they are, they've always been that way. Feminism merely removed the social rules that restricted them. Those rules are necessary for an orderly society as without them all the sexual reward goes to the "alpha" males which provides little incentive for the "beta" males to actually build, research or do anything for society.

You know, basic TRP stuff.

[–]MSoftHarem2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is their nature, but the problem is this nature has no balance. Men are far less masculine, so we don't balance out the feminine imperative.

[–]BruceIsTheBatman0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Will someone please stop all this shit about being lied to be Disney fantasies? Men were dumb-stricken by women way before Disney came along. No one lied to you, you naturally worship pretty eyes, curves, and tits and that's just evolution not some conspiracy. Take some responsibility and stop blaming your own blindness on society.

[–]batfish550 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Upvotes!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The sentiments aren't really misogynistic so much as they are unflattering views and an opposing outlook towards females. The term misogyny gets tossed around so loosely these days that it makes it seem trivial and downplays true misogyny i.e. arab cultures or husbands whom abuse their wives or are blatantly disrespecting women to the point of making them uncomfortable or in tears.

[–]1rporion5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would concede that Aristotle named two vices when it comes to that, misogyny and philogyny, the unwarranted hate and the unwarranted love of women.

Or some such.

However, if you grew up in a gynolatric society, a solid amount of hate and disgust is not the worst thing that can happen to you.

True, most of it comes from you being dissappointed, but still.

Plus, I very much doubt that you see the whole picture when it comes to "misogynist cultures".

A culture works as a whole unit, you bitching from the sidelines whithout getting involved is worthless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good analogy, you could also say anger is but one step in the grieving process.

[+]SomersetRaglan-7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

because a misogynist sees women as defective men.

i cant help it if i value honesty, loyalty, and logic.

[–]MSoftHarem14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're welcome to value whatever you like, but if those are the 3 most important attraction triggers for you then you should probably consider dating men because women are only honest and loyal to their own emotions. When it comes to logic, women are nearly as capable as men until they're emotionally compromised. At this point logic goes right out the window, and considering how much easier it is to emotionally compromise most women compared to most men - there's the rub. Men and women are different, and men's romanticized idea of what women actually are is big part of the mess we're all currently in. Women are women, accept them for who they are or go your own way.

[–]SomersetRaglan5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually, all of my ltr's complained that i never seemed to enjoy spending time with them, and even at parties i tend to prefer to spend time with guys.

i dont know if there's a term for it, but i am sexually attracted to women, but dont actually enjoy their company. makes dating a bit of a hassle.

and no, im not gay. i definitely don't like cock, i just prefer the company of men.

[–]MSoftHarem8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Make lots of money and get yourself networked with high class escorts. Problem solved.

[–]SomersetRaglan3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea....i pretty much always imagined that that's how it would go down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would politely disagree. I know logical women. I work with them. I have a daughter who is one. Here's the rub: we're all fucking monkeys looking for a meal and a screw deep down in our genes. Hell, I want to smoke pot and play video games 24/7. If you feed my natural addiction, I will do so unless I try really fucking hard not to. She wants to be pampered and supported by a huge bag of muscle and that's as natural to her as smoking pot and playing video games is to me. It's just how we're wired. Now, I can't be what I logically want to be by smoking pot and playing video games, and she can't be what she wants to be by pumping dumbass musclebags either. Maybe 4000 years ago that was the optimal strategy, but that was before video games and advanced barter systems. We can both be logical in our higher brain, but please forgive the fact that my lower brain want's to pump porn stars, get drunk and veg out, and I'll for forgive the fact that she wants my wallet and something bigger than me to wrap her legs around.

The point is, ACCEPT THIS. Roll with it. Temper your actions and decisions based on it. When she relaxe and says fuck it, she's going to fall into a routine where she chases the biggest wallet attached to the biggest chest around, just like you, completely ignoring your "logic" are going to problem solve a video game and get drunk if you forget to "logic" for a while. You can take advantage of it by feeding her addiction (or yours). You can just be the best you you can be and get a bigger wallet and chest. But whatever you do, understand it and don't be pissed at reality. Being pissed at reality is a waste of time and stress. Just grow a pair and deal with it.

None of this precludes having the occasional logical discussion with a fellow higher brain that happens to be attached to a vagina. Such moments are pure gold. Just don't be surprised when this beautiful mind retrogrades into fucking shit-for-brains bodybuilder with a rich uncle instead of you who fell back into trying to save the latest elder scrolls fantasy realm. You are both fucked in the head. Deal with it.

[–]3trplurker4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Then value those things amongst men, those are male virtues not female ones. Women are women, men are men, one of the core differences is that we have different value systems. People get all fucked up when men try to be women or women try to be men.

[–]SomersetRaglan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

i dont think a woman displaying loyalty or honesty could be described as 'trying to be a man.'

[–]3trplurker-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are no loyal / honest women. They are not loyal to you, they are not honest to you, they aren't even honest to themselves. They are only loyal to themselves and possibly their children, everything else is conditional. She loves the idea of you, and the moment that idea no longer serves her needs it's ejected. You, and everything you represent, are disposable.

[–]SomersetRaglan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that really has nothing to do with what i said.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason they can bitch here and you can bitch about that bitching is because this is the place for that. This is one of, if not the only place these guys have found where they can vent. A lot of people that come here go through that stage. Most, if not all, get past it and become better men afterwards. Let them vent. It's a process and they're getting through it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of angry posts here because this sub experienced a surge of new users. These people are going through the process of recovery, one of which is acknowledging one's anger and resentment. More specifically, many men here are exercising a skill they have rarely used - taking women off of their pedestal. True, wallowing in this step is counterproductive, not just for the one going through the process but for the sanctity of the sub as well. But men need a place to voice their grievances, however trivial.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

new RP'ers bitching and whining about how women are deceiving them

Many people go through an anger phase after realizing just how badly they were deceived and how much monetary and emotional investment they wasted on someone who was clearly uninterested in them as a person.

The wrong way to address this is by responding with a bitchy/whiny sounding post of your own.

you have to realise that TRP is not about women.

That will happen naturally once they've processed their thoughts

TRP is about manning up

That phrase has been so abused and misappropriated (manning up = provide for meeeeeeeee) that it shouldn't be used so blithely.

[–]MSoftHarem4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's only one person you MAN UP for, and that's yourself.

[–]ar1030825 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Why do you deny men the right to have feelings, even amongst their brothers?

Their women do not allow them to feel, their culture does not allow them to feel.

Stop shaming them for being human and fuck off.

[–]throwaway753692 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe this is more among the lines of denying VERY general stuff such as "all women are whores" - the most blatant kind of stereotypes.

[–]nninja-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because no one fuckin cares about your problems. Everyone is selfish and if you want to get ahead you have to understand that and use it to your advantage by not acting like everyone else who always wants to talk about their problems. You have to internalize being strong and maintaining frame, it's not an act you put on in front of girls. Find a way to deal with your emotions. Does an army general complain and show fear to his troops? No, even if he is scared he has a duty to not show it. As a man your duty is to be an unshakeable rock.

[–]ar103087 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Your army has been stripped of you and your power cut off. That is the point many men reach. I'd say they are entitled to expression of male emotion.

[–]nninja-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Will you get your army back by acting like you did to lose them?

[–]ar103081 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you decided that getting your army back is actually what you want?

[–]nninja-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was an analogy to a man and a woman in a relationship. If you're weak you will lose your gf.

[+]Tsilent_Tsunami-12 points-11 points-10 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh, so this is a subreddit for losers now?

[–]ar1030813 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Is that what you'd tell a divorced man who was contemplating suicide due to his kids, house and life savings being stripped from him?

If compassion is not shown to men by other men, then those men are no better than Feminists. And where can those men turn who need more help than another "MAN UP!" message delivered by some douchebag?

[–]The_Floating_Dick2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you to some extent. It's natural to be angry and you should let it out. It's very unhealthy to supress it.

But the thing is, this anger comes from an assumption, that women are similar to men. A guy thinks his wife's motives and decision making patterns are similar to his and of course he gets angry when she cheats with some uber-alpha criminal.

However it happens because he judges women by mens' standards. It's a very mean and disgusting thing to do for a man and if his friend betrayed him in a similar way - he'd deserve a royal ass-kicking.

But the key is to understand, that women are different. It's their nature to be egoistic and cheat on you if she meets a better man. It's in her instincts to constantly test you and make sure she's with a man. who's stronger than her. She can't help constantly trying to reverse dominance and suck out all the resources out of a man, who turned out to be weaker.

And all these stuff is a disgusting behaviour by man's standards, but it's absolutely ok for women. They're all like that - they're just different creatures than us. One russian writer in his purely red pill book said, that men have more in common with male lions, than with women. You can't judge them by our standards.

Initial anger is ok, but it gradually has to transform into acceptance. Women are like that - that's the way the world works. And if you manage your expectations and alter standards by which you judge women - you won't get hurt and there would be no reason for anger.

[–]ar103082 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Keeping your sworn vow isn't just a man's standard. It is a basic, human one.

Anyway, with new men subbing to the ROADS everyday, you're always going to have an undercurrent of anger. Anger is an appropriate expression of male emotion, to shame a man's anger is to be a female.

[–]The_Floating_Dick-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Keeping your sworn vow isn't just a man's standard. It is a basic, human one.

That's exactly the idea, I tried to oppose. There is no universal 'human', which has standards, that extrapolate on everybody. There are two kinds of human and we're very different.

Something that is very disgraceful for a man might be no biggie for a woman, as long as her emotions tell her to act and her brain takes care of rationalization.

I mean yeah, it would be great if everyone was loyal and shit, but that's just not the way it is. And I don't say, that women cheat more than men. What I mean is that women can't help cheating if the guy pushes her buttons right.

When a man cheats - he realizes what he's doing, understands, that it's cheating, and that it's not right. It just doesn't matter to him at the moment because he thinks with his dick.

When a woman cheats - she often thinks that's a right thing to do, because rationalization. It turns out her husband was abusive, screamed at her, didn't please her sexually the way she wanted, didn't buy her stuff she wanted, whatever. That asshole had it coming.

What I want to say is that you shouldn't expect man-decency from a woman. You might think it's basic human standard, but for her it might become meaningless blabber when she really wants that alpha cock right now.

[–]Tsilent_Tsunami0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Their women do not allow them to feel,

their culture does not allow them to feel.

Sorry, but these people are losers. Being male does not automatically garner my respect. Whining about someone or something "not letting you" do whatever is what a loser does. Feel free to be one of them if you like, but I'll pass.

It's sad to see this subreddit get diluted with this wave of losers, but that just means it's time to move on. Good luck in your hug circles.

[–]ar103080 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, because God forbid this sub account for the broad range of male experiences in society today.

[–]Hormander-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Fuck OP.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, /u/Darkmushy, you've got it all figured out. Trivialize all you want, deception and betrayal cause me righteous anger. I try not to dwell on it, but I'm only learning and have not found my stones yet. I'll get right on manning up. Since you're transcendental, kindly share the way to your zen.

Translated to active voice: Fuck you. I like this group. Condescension ain't a good look, Mushy.

[–]j_arbuckle20129 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Heyo, concern trolling. That's new.

Also, extremism is one of our core tenants. Go back to reading and try again another time. I would point you to /u/redpillschool's post about anger but I doubt you'd be able to digest it.

[–]MockingDead11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmmm....

No. You don't get to decide how someone deals with swallowing the red pill. Your username is new, and you haven't been here long. So you failed to read and shut the fuck up.

Also, your post is cliche'd as hell. The Red Pill is a support group as much as it is a discussion of sexual strategy.

Also, can I see your psychology degree? Care to post it? What the shit do you know about what helps and what doesn't?

Shut the fuck up and sit your ass down. Or man up and self improve ans get the fuck off this subreddit. I don't give a shit what you do, as long as it shuts you the fuck up.

[–]nninja-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he he's right. We should practice what we preach, and we preach not bitching and bring angry, maintaining frame etc.

[–]C_D_O17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its only you who have fucked up in posting this mushy

If you're mistaking criticism of women's duality and a gynocentric culture for "anger" and "hatred" of women, thats your own problem.

What ive seen lately is a lot of expression of events that serve as a useful learning tool. Like parables, its not the emotional content you are paying attention to, its the lesson therein.

Ill agree TRP as of late has seen a lot of angry posts, but thats because we have a lot of NEW members, of which anger serves a very useful tool as a catalyst for change. They have been lied to by society, and often those closest to them, so of COURSE they are going to be angry, it would be inhuman to ask them not to be angry.

If I lied to you and then as soon as you found out I was lying I just said to you "fuck you, deal with it, its your own problem for not realizing I was lying" - does that sound reasonable?

Also we come along to this bone of contention again:

TRP is not about women

yes it is.

TRP is the discussion of sexual strategy. TRP is the discussion of sexual strategy It is NOT a life improvement circlejerk. The core principles of TRP apply to a low life scumbag as much as they do to a father, or a business CEO.

In fact demonstrably so, one of the learning lessons in TRP is how game is not reliant upon your bank account or how "successful" your life is, as evidenced by dark triad males who are often drifters or career criminals.

Ultimately I agree with you that being bitter about your prior events with women is unproductive, however the examination and discussion of those events, and more importantly WHY they took place, is productive.

[–]dominotw0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like parables, its not the emotional content you are paying attention to, its the lesson therein.

I used to hate this in grade school, but now I love it.

I love trying to figure out what the lesson in the post is and making sure I got the lesson right after reading the comments.

[–]TfahsNoriEht9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TL;DR: TRP is about manning up

Here to troll?

Here's a Glossary of Shaming Tactics, try to be creative and avoid these. We know you won't. That's why you're easy to spot.

[–]Hormander0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seeing people upvoting this shitty thread makes me wonder about this subreddit. It's not what it used to be.

[–]heist_of_saint_graft2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lotta shit here is amplified by humor. Guys amongst guys. You ever sit around with a bunch of guys in a garage, few beers, play a record, and just sit on lawn chairs and bullshit? I assure you it's the most fun you can have as a man.

Men like to make each other laugh. Got a joke for you. What do you say to a woman with two black eyes? "Bitch, I told you twice!"

That's funny. Does it mean I've ever hit a woman in anger, or ever would? No. It means that every guy has been in the situation where he's been so angry he wanted to hit a woman but knows he can't. We sympathize with the guy in the story, our animal nature comes up against our better judgment, thus ha ha.

Here's another joke: guy has two kids with a woman from China. Woman decides guy isn't worth a damn and the American lifestyle she dreamed of isn't a shitty duplex in a bad suburb. So she goes off to China with the kids and he never sees them again and . . . oh wait, this isn't a joke. This is happening to a friend of mine right now.

Do you see where legitimate anger against women might be coming from? Do you see why this might be amplified with colorful, even humorous language?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly. Just stop posting. This takes time to properly absorb everything. Read a little bit each day. Not all at once. Remember tidbits and apply it to your thought. Challenge ideas in your own head. Form your own views and read a post that flips it on it's head again. You aren't ready to take everything in at once because you won't take it in properly. It's a process but I promise one day it will all click and there won't be any resentment. You will transcend and find contentment within your knowledge.

[–]FuriousMouse3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you realise that everyone has been lying to you your whole life, your mother, the education system, the media and even your "friends" you do become angry, it is perfectly normal.

Anger is a necessary emotion to break out of the social programming. Just don't build your new self on anger.

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[–]redbluepilling13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

many are victims

victims to be pitied at worst

You're still looking at it wrong. Women are women. Bears are bears. You shouldn't be mad when a bear mauls you, because the bear is a bear. Coming to terms with that is the full state of acceptance. You might still have a personal chip on your shoulder from women of the past, but approach the new ones with this attitude and understanding.

Also, saying they're uniformed pawns implies that you think there's much room for change. Even RPWomen act as women, and if their husband is incorrigible in his beta-ness, despite all her efforts, things will collapse. Women are women, it's the nature of the beast.

[–]le_king_falcon7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There are female victims though.

Every woman who hits the wall head first and alone to be left with her cats may have fallen to the battlecry of feminism: "men can wait, children can wait, it will all happen when the time is right." They were never taught that those choices have consequences, so why the hell would they change from the path giving them maximum feels?

The same goes for those girls who get passed around by alphas but never get a man they deem worthy to commit. They were never told that the tingles are just sexual urges instead of some higher romantic power. They weren't told that they aren't some god damn princess who gets her every wish.

In both cases I feel no sympathy because both traps are avoided with self awareness. Just the same as I feel zero sympathy for anyone who bought into the treat girls nice myth.

[–]Carbone0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Edit : I move it there : http://fr.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/1wm76o/motivationalneed_a_kick_in_the_ass/

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[–]SwordfshII6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But if society told you bears are warm, cuddly and should be coddled and you got mauled... that is different

That is what has happened with women.. Men are lured to the ambush

[–]alkyjason9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Buzz off. Who are you to tell me what helps and what doesn't? Women don't need you to swoop in on your horse and come to their defense.

And I don't need to man shit up. I'm just here to read.

Keep on truckin'.

[–]nninja-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol why is this guy getting up voted. No one cares about your fckin problems and nobody wants to hear them. There is nothing attractive about a man who is angry, whiny, bitter, complains etc

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

manning up

And rp women is about the little girls who call themselves women walking around with a princess complex to woman the fuck up.

Shame judging by RPWs tiny subscriber count that most bitches are perfectly happy to flick their bean to feminism.

[–]le_king_falcon6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Redpillwomen requires hard work and understanding the needs of a man.

Normal women are happy to lay back be lazy and rely on the pussy pass. Add that to the fact that they have literally no empathy for men due to the adversarial nature of the current feminised status quo and you have the quintessential modern female. Lazy, entitled and no clue.

Women aren't taught to chase men, so putting in effort seems alien and wrong to them. And that's never going go change whilst pussy is a valuable currency.

[–]MartialWay11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once again, a manipulative douchebag tries to abuse "manning up".

[–]Concentrating2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love women, and when you understand that all women share the one basic flaw of being a woman, you can be truly happy. My misogyny went out the window years ago with that realization. I accept them for what they are.

[–]watersign4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to yesterday, population you. No one here is angry at women, we're angry at the system, reverse discrimination and other socialist drivel. Getting mad at women for being women is like getting mad at cats for chasing mice.

[–]ilike2partyhowaboutu5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I say let it flow so it can be addressed and corrected.

It's part of the process!

Plus you pick up a few great new insults!

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My recommendation is that you get two pieces of bread, watch a Brazzers video and then proceed to eat a cum sandwich. Because here you are Tone shaming us like supreme Beta Doctor Phil Donahue.

Sorry Redpill is too angry for you. Did You feel triggered you lil queer? Men sometimes vent on Redpill because its one of the few places where they can. Trying to fuck flakey OKC sluts is hard work, they are lazy entitled cunts and the texting game is some annoying bullshit. Maybe I need a place to discuss this with my fellow bros. Is that so bad?

Finally having a negative/realistic view of women is actually an asset to my game. I have pretty low expectations of women so im never realy disappointment or mad.

On a meta note my negative posts do way better than my positive posts so I guess its just the nature of the 34K community.

[–]through_a_ways2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because here you are Tone shaming us like supreme Beta Doctor Phil Donahue.

Gotta get that super beta prostate, nahmsayin?

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. In my pre-RP days, I thought all the girls I liked were unicorns, and because I had this mentality, I was totally blinded to their true nature. And that totally crippled my social life.

Now that I enter every potentially romantic or sexual encounter with the notion in my head that this girl is going to be a solipist, hypergamous hamster. And since this assumption is right 95% of the time, needless to say, I'm now doing much better for myself.

Outsiders and TBPers call it "hating women," we call it "acknowledging the truth."

[–]nninja-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you get angry at all dogs when yours acts like a dog? Showing anger is weak as hell

[–]Meglomaniac2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop being angry at women.

Start bring angry at yourself. Beat yourself up at the gym, Strive to be the best man you can be.

You know that girl you had oneitus for and she treated you like shit?

Dont sit there depressed that it happened. Work your ass off to make sure it NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

[–]worms_to_mooch_sex1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see a lot of (what I assume to be) new RP'ers bitching and whining about how women are deceiving them, lying to them, or being angry because they feel women stole their happy-ever-after fantasy future.

If you see people making unproductive posts kind of wishing women were differen than they are, why don't you / anybody just try to rise those people up, guide them to the higher level with responses. Help them get out of those mistakes.

I don't think making a new topic taking blanket generalizations and throwing condescention at it is a productive way to handle the problem you are presenting. I know TRP posts often take this tone and it's meant to be manly, tough love or whatever. But seriously, is the condescention really helping?

  • taking what you don't like and calling it "bitching and whining"

  • suggesting people need to grow up

  • saying they have a shitty life

  • saying they need to realize (whatever)--maybe they have?

  • language like "man up, get over it, move the fuck on" and "this is not a support group for your pms"

unproductive. I get what you are saying. I just think you've wrapped your message in a way that's going to completely turn off almost anybody who has something to gain by it.

[–]IIHotelYorba1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As much as I don't like the term "man up," (it's often used by people trying to get you to be a provider beta male or to go die for your country) in this case it's correct. You have to take action to improve your life.

Man up, but do it for yourself.

[–]boydeer1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. I never let myself be angry at my mother or women until my mom died. Then I had a Christmas where everything was fine, and I got so pissed off at this woman for dominating our family and being abusive. Then I realized other women were doing it to me too.

So I got super unrepentantly angry for about 3 months, and it was very good for me. It's been tapering off for the past year. I'm so much nicer to people than I was before.

Be pissed off and don't apologize for it. It's probably a new experience for you. But make sure you let it run its course and don't cling to it. Emotions have shelf lives.

[–]a-memorable-fancy3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had to swallow this truth today when I realized the only reason I was opposed to feminism was because of my self-denial and laziness.

Guys, even as I take my first baby steps down the path, I can say to you with absolute certainty that the biggest obstacle on the road to your high-value self is your low-value self. It is so easy to walk into some false awakening of woman-hating rage and think that you've taken the red pill - this is NOT the red pill.

If you want the truth about living a life of high value, then you need to know that even as a high value life will benefit you, it is NOT designed with you in mind. You will always be a guest in it, and if you don't lock your shit down you will lose it and have no one to blame but yourself. The red pill is about self-awareness and self-actualization, which does not always feel good. Success requires strength and presence of mind, and if you don't meet the mark no one will come to cry for you. If you succeed we will celebrate with you, but if you fail, or think you've failed, or think this is a place to bitch when you're not getting what you want, then find something better to do with your time.

[–]AlmostRP2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is concern trolling. Besides, I didn't see anything from your profile that would indicate anything other than you being a new to this subreddit as well.

...that and "the world as a mirror." If what you're seeing on this bored is the "angry at women" posts, you are likely the one angry at women.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvacuu1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If anyone, we need to get angry at other men. It is they who willfully allow themselves to be used and deceived because they aren't strong enough to face reality. Then they become white knights and fiercely fight anyone who would stand up and tell the truth. They have kids and set them up for a miserable life because the best they have to offer is either falsehoods or a disconnected silence because deep down inside they know something is wrong.

Women themselves are in such a situation that, due to the nature of their mating instinct, they can never be happy except through certain mechanisms they've developed whereby they manage to look at reality only in relation to themselves. If they didn't have this point of view, they'd never be able to live with the simultaneous needs of needing to be loved but also needing to be dominated, because as soon as they attain one, they lose the other.

[–]the-redpillian3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every time I get angry or bitter towards women it's nothing but a projection of my own insecurities and frustrations....

If only letting it go was as easy as identifying the problem.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anger is pointless, you can't get angry at something for acting in its nature, and you can't change its nature. You don't get angry with a dog for chewing up your furniture! You can only change how you interact with them with the knowledge of that nature.

[–]nninja-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well put

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anger is part of the process, my friend. It's one of the steps to recovery. Imagine if you grew up your whole life thinking your dad was really your dad, but in reality, your mom was a cockslut who screwed Antonio the pool guy, and you were really Antonio's kid. It'd be fucking devastating.

Unplugging from the societal norm of feminist-feuled society is similar. I'm 32 years old, for Christ sakes, and all these years, I couldn't figure out why a red-headed stepchild friend of mine who looks like Opie was able to pull world-class pussy out of a bar without effort, despite his diminutive appearance, bright red hair, and freckles for miles.

Now I get it, and knowing that life is FINITE, I'm bitter about the time I've wasted on this planet.

The amount of anger accrued is directly proportional to the amount of time plugged into the Matrix. Cut some guys a break, they will eventually come around.

[–]Cosmicandy1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think anger and even bitterness is a perfectly normal part of ones progression from blue pill to red pill. These men have basically been lied to by our culture. They may have wasted a great deal of time and effort pursuing women and relationships the wrong way and may have been burned legally for it.

I went through this stage, however brief, but I'm relatively young and didn't end up here because of a cheating girlfriend, grueling custody battle, or a shitty divorce settlement. One must purge that resentment from their system before they can truly begin their path to self-improvement.

[–]through_a_ways1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Are you considering posting a concern for content or the users on TRP? This is concern trolling and will be removed."

lrn3read bundle o' sticks

[–]BruceIsTheBatman1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll support anything that gets men to stop obsessing over women.

They will always be bitter as long as they obsess.

[–]xdrunkagainx2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, and if you need a tampon go post in r/feminism.

[–]Link_Correction_Bot0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excuse me if I am incorrect, but I believe that you intended to reference /r/feminism.


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[–]1iluminatiNYC2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! The goal should be to improve yourself. You can't fix women or the world, but you have your destiny in your own hands. The question is how do you want to make your life better. Also, you need to heal yourself from the wounds you have from being abused under the Blue Pill.

On a different note, I wonder how many RPers have been abused or neglected by women. I bet more than your average Redditor.

[–]lightfire4091 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure why the default response is to be angry at women. We have been lied to about their nature, sure, but be angry at feminism. Women are pretty and beautiful and hold power in their femininity. Hating them does you no good, and doesn't make you any better than the feminists that hate men and think we're all pigs.

Accept their nature, and you will be stronger for it.

[–]slutworship1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with hating on women gets you nowhere and ends up with you growing old alone and angry, the male equivalent to a crazy cat lady. I know this because my older brother is one. The red pill has basically endorsed theories that I figured out a long time ago from my experience from managing an office full of college students, both male and female and observing their relationships and listening to their gripes. I used this knowledge to pick up girls on MySpace and in bars, a girl will believe anything you tell them as long as you have a good story to back it up. If you're buying them top shelf drinks and driving a nice car they will believe you own a successful company, it's all about how you present yourself. Many assume that most girls actually have their shit together, when truthfully very few of them do. Your typical slut barely knows how to keep her bills paid every month, so her manipulation of men isn't really planned she just knows what works for her at that moment. Learn to take advantage of that and you will have much success, when they eventually stray I just wish them the best and be as graceful as I can be. Because they will be back once the Douchebags have fucked them over, and then you can really get away with making her do depraved sex acts. .

[–]abbw20000 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think anger at the injustice of not being properly taught how to thrive in life and being lied to about the nature of women is healthy and a good motivator to turn things around. Basically, men are being denied a happy life by being lied to by the people in their upbringing who are supposed to love them - their parents, family, teachers and peers.

[–]trp_que0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Too many posts about isolated incidences in which a female has wronged a male; whether they be news articles, or posts in other subreddits. These posts ultimately turn into a circlejerk of "I told you so's". More self improvement focused topics / discussion are needed.

[–]pstar10000 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand (her) well enough to defeat (her), then in that very moment I also love (her).” – A.E. Wiggin

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

hear hear - ive noticed that too and made me doubt TRP. there's a lot of demonizing of women's nature too.

We should look into what we're doing wrong - the girls who cheat on us or mess with our minds are often the triad females, and they're not for everyone to handle and when encountered we should learn to recognize them and treat them accordingly (high fuck value, low relationship value) so if anyone takes a triad and goes for a LTR with her, who's at fault here? talk about trying to hand feed a shark and then complaining about the bite wound.

Men should focus on finding balance and learning more about the world. There are many good women out there.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you're born into and conditioned for half a lifetime to believe women's mythical nature, to believe any reproach or anything even passingly critical of it is 'hate', it's hard not to think it is hate or anger.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/11/06/anger-management/

Beyond the quick and easy dismissal of anger about anything even marginally critical a man might say about the feminine is an underlying conditioning that prompts people to it. By that I mean, to the majority of blue-pill plugged in people, anything critical of the feminine, by default, is rooted in anger. We can link this to women’s default status of victimhood, but even relating the most objective observation of behaviors, psychology or social constructs pertaining to the feminine in anything less than a flattering light is automatically suspect of a male anger bias.

When people accuse the manosphere of 'being angry at women' understand it for what it is – a method of dissuading and distracting you from honest critical inquiry about truths that are unflattering and uncomfortable.

[–]unassuming_aussie0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–]nninja0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a much needed post. I see too many bitter guys here bitching about women. Stop fucking whining and get on with life using your new found knowledge. Understand that nobody cares or wants to hear about your problems, the faster you get that the better. Now you know how you can be different: most people complain about their problems and don't want hear other peoples problems...do the opposite and doors will open. (This is more life advice in general that just women advice)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The anger comes from being deceived, we should encourage these men to move beyond it and begin functioning in the reality of the situation, we most also arm them with the knowledge and vocabulary they need to dispel the illusions in our society.

The next thing is growing our own arsenal, we need to have a PC "shoehorn" that gives us leverage when trying to shove the stinking truth into the feminist ideology. It eases the wear, allows us to speak calmly and dismantle their logic from within. If we can change their frame of view about issues by using their own lexicon against them we will save ourselves quite a bit of energy and weaken the position of their leadership. Essentially we beat them at their own game, on their turf, in front of their fans. If we can get red pill women to eschew our perspective in the MSM, from a secular viewpoint the movement will grow exponentially.

[–]lillojohn0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hate on women when men do the same evil things. I don't get it. Be angry but not only on women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My problem was really never with women. I love women and accept them as they are. My problem has always been other guys destroying me.

[–]Gypsy__-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

honestly this so much this there seems to be a lot of hatred towards women as this sub grows which is just mis-directed and not what this was about when i first stumbled upon this place its quite annoying coming on here less and less only to find more and more misdirected threads etc

[–]pony1108-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is good stuff.. This is what TRP is about. Thumbs up for you

[–]CMOS222-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Being angry at women, saying that "misogyny is a necessary phase" is just placing responsibility for your own personal change on someone else. It's immature, unrealistic, sexist, and ultimately self-defeating.

Over the years, I've seen and heard many comments by women about how "all men are bastards, scum, etc.", usually by women in their 20s whose conception of men clashed with reality. They discovered - the hard way - that they knew much less about men than they originally thought, and instead of accepting that, they hamstered it into a general hatred of men. If you're driving in bad weather and slippery roads and have an accident, you don't avoid responsibility for it by claiming "weather is an evil thing" and "all snowstorms are monsters". You modify your behavior accordingly and drive more carefully next time.

The OP is right. Taking TRP means accepting, as a man and as a grown-up, that you don't/didn't know as much about women and relationships as you thought, accepting responsibility (at least partially) for how your past relationships worked out, and modifying your attitudes and behavior accordingly.

[+]Greenstone9-6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good post. I'm new to this subreddit, and I'm trying to figure out if there is any actual use here whatsoever. I personally don't have any trouble with women. My relationships are healthy and mutually beneficial. I've had an interest in men's studies for a while, but I can't tell if this sub has any pearls of wisdom hidden under all the nonsense of if it's primarily just a cult of insecurity and lashing out. Most of the things I've read about women on here are idiotic and not supported by anything real, at all. There are definitely some whack-jobs clicking around in here. If someone can point out any actual, real, non-crazy, legitimate point to this subreddit existing I would be appreciative.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thanks

[–]happyhorse_g-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm relatively new to reading theRP, but i do get it.

However, I've seen straight-up, corn-fed woman hating in many posts and comments. Some of it's insidiously crafty too. But I'm learning, I can call bullshit because there's jargon and gangs that'll shout me down, regardless of how valid a point is. They would not even consider it cause they are looking for ammo to launch at women.

Almost, it's just a hate mentality on a par with man-hating feminism. From what i see, it's the blight of TRP that those who want to break the mold and those who have a vendetta, share a language and forum.

I'd like to a see a much more critical assessment of post to determine their poisonous content, and good, strong panning of them and space made for those wanting to talk about driving to make things a better deal.

[–]b_kidd-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...and realize that spelling is a basic alpha skill.

[–]lookiamapollo-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I basically think this information is to describe what we see in the world, so basically why do we see a certain phenomena or how does it work?

There is no animosity. People go there though. I think thats stupid.

[–]ohboyahuman-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To me, TRP is about self-responsibility in sexuality. It embodies the understanding that if you take control of your life and take responsibility for your misfortunes, you will come out a better human. I'm tired of hearing betas mercilessly railing on women and feminists as though they're some sort of inhuman adversary in society. Sure, they are ideologically, but power comes from understanding and discussion. Hate and bitterness will not win you a single battle.

RP'ers should be able to come with many different ideologies and walk away with the same sense of sexual self-empowerment that feminism gives women. This should be a place to empower those gammas, alphas, and betas. We are no better than man-hating feminists if we also hate. It just seems counter-productive...

I just have seen a disappointing surge in RP fascists who somehow thing TRP equates to chauvinism. Not to say the quality and clarity of advice on this sub hasn't mostly been anything less than stellar. I hope to see people behave a lot less bigoted in future, and I hope you all find unicorns every time you try to get some.

[+]Petrarch1603-18 points-17 points-16 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

GayLubeOil's posts have been a problem recently. He has some anger issues towards women that are not germane to TRP.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

You being a faggot has been a problem recently. If you think my post about childishly teasing women is angry you'r retarded. If you think my post about not wanting to engage in violence for a woman's plesure is angry you are retarded. Over all if you are worried about how TRP is pecieved you are retarded.

[–]Petrarch1603-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. TRP used to have a lot of high-brow content. I'm perfectly willing to debate ideas and have a civil discussion, but if small comments trigger you to throw temper tantrums, then I have nothing to say to you. Your comments are as infantile and shallow as a cave-man. You contribute nothing to the discussion here, only crude and juvenile insults.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mmxIwJQFBfA/T3779jWS8RI/AAAAAAAAB7U/QRYii5hScME/s640/jimmies-2-memebase.jpg

[–]blazingblue16-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're just throwing adjectives around as well. You know if you want to call him out maybe you should post some of your insights and actually debunk GLO instead of blanket statements.

[–][deleted] -8 points-8 points-8 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]TfahsNoriEht-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one can even read your post

[–]MockingDead1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see a Red Pill Endorsed flair next to his name, and I see dick all next to yours.

I don't always agree with GLO, but I will say this: Concern Trolling is a great way to get downvoted.

[–]Carbone-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyway Respecting someone is greater than liking someone.

I.e : if your gf respect you she will not cheat, if she only like you she will cheat.

Seem like you don't like GayLubeOil, but somewhere we all respect him.

He can be hard but he have a lot of insight.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My posts are way more entertaining then half the shit that gets posted here. So you have no choice but to like me!

[–]Ricky_Spanissh-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ditto. As I said before, "No more mr. Nice guy" by Robert Glover. Read it, a must.

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